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By *isandre OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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Brexit Secretary David Davis says EU referendum campaign untruths ‘not important’
I quite like a lot about David Davis despite him being on the wrong side of politics to me and the opposite side of the referendum debate to me.
He has often stuck to some good principles despite them being damaging to his career in going against the Party line. His defence of civil liberties is admirable.
We all know politicians spin. We all know they exaggerate, especially during elections when they are forecasting the future. Some, we are pretty sure, knowingly tell some lies.
However, for a senior cabinet minister to come out and openly say that it doesn't matter is absolutely astonishing. I can't believe this isn't a major story and that Davis is still in position.
To put it into the context of whether it was important or not
'Polls conducted in mid June showed half of the British public believed Vote Leave’s claim that the UK pays £350m a week to the European Union despite the figure being debunked.
Ipsos MORI found that 47 per cent of the public believed that the claim, which had been repeatedly criticised by the UK Statistics Authority, is true.
Just 39 per cent realise the figure, which formed the centerpiece of the Vote Leave campaign, is false, while 14 per cent do not know.' |
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"Brexit Secretary David Davis says EU referendum campaign untruths ‘not important’
I quite like a lot about David Davis despite him being on the wrong side of politics to me and the opposite side of the referendum debate to me.
He has often stuck to some good principles despite them being damaging to his career in going against the Party line. His defence of civil liberties is admirable.
We all know politicians spin. We all know they exaggerate, especially during elections when they are forecasting the future. Some, we are pretty sure, knowingly tell some lies.
However, for a senior cabinet minister to come out and openly say that it doesn't matter is absolutely astonishing. I can't believe this isn't a major story and that Davis is still in position.
To put it into the context of whether it was important or not
'Polls conducted in mid June showed half of the British public believed Vote Leave’s claim that the UK pays £350m a week to the European Union despite the figure being debunked.
Ipsos MORI found that 47 per cent of the public believed that the claim, which had been repeatedly criticised by the UK Statistics Authority, is true.
Just 39 per cent realise the figure, which formed the centerpiece of the Vote Leave campaign, is false, while 14 per cent do not know.'"
But there were untruths on both sides both Leave and Remain were as bad as each other so for most people I think they cancel each other out, and its in the past and nothing is going to change the result now. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Brexit Secretary David Davis says EU referendum campaign untruths ‘not important’
I quite like a lot about David Davis despite him being on the wrong side of politics to me and the opposite side of the referendum debate to me.
He has often stuck to some good principles despite them being damaging to his career in going against the Party line. His defence of civil liberties is admirable.
We all know politicians spin. We all know they exaggerate, especially during elections when they are forecasting the future. Some, we are pretty sure, knowingly tell some lies.
However, for a senior cabinet minister to come out and openly say that it doesn't matter is absolutely astonishing. I can't believe this isn't a major story and that Davis is still in position.
To put it into the context of whether it was important or not
'Polls conducted in mid June showed half of the British public believed Vote Leave’s claim that the UK pays £350m a week to the European Union despite the figure being debunked.
Ipsos MORI found that 47 per cent of the public believed that the claim, which had been repeatedly criticised by the UK Statistics Authority, is true.
Just 39 per cent realise the figure, which formed the centerpiece of the Vote Leave campaign, is false, while 14 per cent do not know.'"
no, leaving the EU was the centrepiece. As soon as the referendum was announced we were out |
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"That's because David Davis is an arsehole. Truth isn't important, all means justify the end - his holy grail of taking the UK out of the EU"
The figure is broadly true (actually in the 6 months to September it ROSE !!) but its a GROSS figure , we then get a Fair amountback (but not guaranteed) .....when asked what you earn ....i bet you give a GROSS figure and NOT whats left in your pocket ....(just saying) so is that worse than the fearful bullshit about economic meltdown put out by the prime minister and his chancellor .... So point scoring on levels of bullshit and soin is pointless !!! We are out ......(well resigning) so lets all UNITE and get on with it ......politicians lie .....the sun rises in the east .....!!! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The country is divided into two camps and it will be a very very long time before things return to a semblance of normality"
Yeah, and depending on the knock on effects of Brexit (like Scottish and NI independence) it could take decades. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Quite right. Take Rudd's speech at the conference. Half the country thinks it's great, half the country is appalled and disgusted. How do you reconcile that? It's almost impossible |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got "
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got "
Calling people "Remoaners" is insulting and offensive to 16 million voters, and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
Calling people "Remoaners" is insulting and offensive to 16 million voters, and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension."
Calling those who voted leave racist xenophobic bigots is also insulting and offensive to 17 million voters and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension too |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
Calling people "Remoaners" is insulting and offensive to 16 million voters, and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension.
Calling those who voted leave racist xenophobic bigots is also insulting and offensive to 17 million voters and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension too "
And yet xenophobic policies are taking precedent over economic growth, much to the dismay of people around the world which is being reflected in the currency markets. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
Calling people "Remoaners" is insulting and offensive to 16 million voters, and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension.
Calling those who voted leave racist xenophobic bigots is also insulting and offensive to 17 million voters and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension too
And yet xenophobic policies are taking precedent over economic growth, much to the dismay of people around the world which is being reflected in the currency markets."
We are in grave danger of the pound plunging close to equality with the dollar, let's see how many will be changing their tune if that happens....I don't think people realise the importance of a stable pound |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
Calling people "Remoaners" is insulting and offensive to 16 million voters, and millions of others who didn't vote for a variety of reasons. The use of such terms only creates more division and tension."
The ones who didn't vote are moaning? And any division is only being created or perpetuated by a few who wanted to remain. You want no division? Accept the result and keep your mouth shut, simple |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The division in Britain is obvious from the opposing views in this Post and on this forum. Not to recognise this to be totally blind. I won't call you stupid because i think you are just trying to delude yourself |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Stop debate? Don't allow people to voice their opinion? You are a fascist.
I am no socialist thank you
Telling others who don't agree with you to shut their mouth is childish"
But so is moaning about division while causing it and perpetuating it. Sometimes childish behaviour deserves a childish response |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No I'm sorry, but when you told others to shut their mouth for not agreeing with you your credibility was lost....if you are not able to debate without resorting to that then it speaks volumes...."
I said it not because they disagree with me and I don't want them to shut up, I enjoy laughing at them. But how else are they going to stop division? |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
I would like to see the UK adopt the Australian election model and make it illegal not to vote in a general election or a national referendum that shapes the future of the country, introduction of online voting would make it a very real possibility. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I would like to see the UK adopt the Australian election model and make it illegal not to vote in a general election or a national referendum that shapes the future of the country, introduction of online voting would make it a very real possibility."
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Oh so you want to force me to and write none of the above on the slip!!.
I'm old enough to realise that politics and politicans will do what they want to do regardless of your voting practises..... But young enough to walk to the pub..
It wasn't really a hard choice |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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We are in grave danger of the pound plunging close to equality with the dollar, let's see how many will be changing their tune if that happens....I don't think people realise the importance of a stable pound"
I think they just don't care. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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We are in grave danger of the pound plunging close to equality with the dollar, let's see how many will be changing their tune if that happens....I don't think people realise the importance of a stable pound
I think they just don't care. "
I've just watched Bloomberg and they are predicting a possible run on the pound next week, it would seem that the plunge last night on the Asian markets wasn't likely to be a computer glitch after all, more like someone(s) testing the waters |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yes I think compulsory voting is the best way for the adult population to decide the path for the country"
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It's utter nonsense.
Why would you want to make somebody turn up to vote even if they've got no idea about what they're voting on..... If they cared to look there'd have bothered to walk 5 minutes to the polling station....
You somehow seem to think making voting compulsory will turn out better answers.... It won't it will turn out even more stupid answers only with a higher turnout.
But good luck with it anyhow |
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"I was one of the 13 million who didn't give a fuck..... And I'm sticking to my choice  "
Good for you Mr Doors.
As long as you are happy about doing that no one should force you to vote for anything or anyone.
I've not seen you complaining about the referendum result either. The only ones complaining and moaning and throwing toys out of their prams here are Remainers. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"I was one of the 13 million who didn't give a fuck..... And I'm sticking to my choice
Good for you Mr Doors.
As long as you are happy about doing that no one should force you to vote for anything or anyone.
I've not seen you complaining about the referendum result either. The only ones complaining and moaning and throwing toys out of their prams here are Remainers. "
It's called debate..... |
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x"
A good proportion of people who voted Remain also did so as an act of Sympathy for Jo Cox. If it wasn't for her tragic death then the percentage of the Leave vote would've been much higher. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
Babbacombe Torquay |
"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x
A good proportion of people who voted Remain also did so as an act of Sympathy for Jo Cox. If it wasn't for her tragic death then the percentage of the Leave vote would've been much higher. "
It wasn't a tragic death....it was politically motivated murder |
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x
A good proportion of people who voted Remain also did so as an act of Sympathy for Jo Cox. If it wasn't for her tragic death then the percentage of the Leave vote would've been much higher.
It wasn't a tragic death....it was politically motivated murder"
Nonsense, the guy who did it is a mentally ill nutcase. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x
A good proportion of people who voted Remain also did so as an act of Sympathy for Jo Cox. If it wasn't for her tragic death then the percentage of the Leave vote would've been much higher.
It wasn't a tragic death....it was politically motivated murder
Nonsense, the guy who did it is a mentally ill nutcase. "
Then why did he pick out an MP who he had been waiting for some time for her to come out her surgery?, she wasn't a random victim....
He had plenty of time to stab any other of dozens of people who were in that locality on that day, but she just got unlucky? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Regarding the referendum how could any educated adult not know what they are voting on?
It's not rocket science, leave or remain....."
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So 32% of the population get forced to vote on something they've paid absolutely no attention to whatsoever because there not interested in it.... Exactly how does that make democracy better? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I was one of the 13 million who didn't give a fuck..... And I'm sticking to my choice
Good for you Mr Doors.
As long as you are happy about doing that no one should force you to vote for anything or anyone.
I've not seen you complaining about the referendum result either. The only ones complaining and moaning and throwing toys out of their prams here are Remainers. "
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It's part of the deal of not voting, you just get along with what ever happens |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Regarding the referendum how could any educated adult not know what they are voting on?
It's not rocket science, leave or remain......
So 32% of the population get forced to vote on something they've paid absolutely no attention to whatsoever because there not interested in it.... Exactly how does that make democracy better?"
Because people tend to complain after the fact, even if they have avoided playing a part in their own destiny, either way leave or remain, it affects US ALL.....it's not how people voted that counts, it's the fact that they DID vote. |
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x
A good proportion of people who voted Remain also did so as an act of Sympathy for Jo Cox. If it wasn't for her tragic death then the percentage of the Leave vote would've been much higher.
It wasn't a tragic death....it was politically motivated murder
Nonsense, the guy who did it is a mentally ill nutcase.
Then why did he pick out an MP who he had been waiting for some time for her to come out her surgery?, she wasn't a random victim....
He had plenty of time to stab any other of dozens of people who were in that locality on that day, but she just got unlucky?"
Are you suggesting the Leave campaign orchestrated her death? Why would they do that when her death damaged the leave vote?
If it was politically motivated by anyone then it would be the Remain campaign as it helped their vote share increase. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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The truth is many people WILL complain about the future, leave or remain....In the same way that many people whine about the government but don't vote to force a change.....the Australian way of looking at it is this, you can't complain if you were part of the compulsory voting process....democracy wins |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"The country is divided is it?
46 million people were eligible to vote.
17 million voted to leave and 13 million didn't give a fuck one way or the other because they didn't vote. That makes 30 million.
Or 30 million against 16 million which is 2 to 1. Now take away from that 16 million the people who voted to remain not because they wanted to be a part of the EU as such but because they were afraid of the unknown and I would wager that figure would probably halve, so no, the country is not as divided as remoaners like to suggest. It is what the country wanted and got
I think many of those who voted remain did so because they were worried by all the scaremongering going on. I know of three people who did just that. Funnily enough, they were the only three people I know who did vote remain x
A good proportion of people who voted Remain also did so as an act of Sympathy for Jo Cox. If it wasn't for her tragic death then the percentage of the Leave vote would've been much higher.
It wasn't a tragic death....it was politically motivated murder
Nonsense, the guy who did it is a mentally ill nutcase.
Then why did he pick out an MP who he had been waiting for some time for her to come out her surgery?, she wasn't a random victim....
He had plenty of time to stab any other of dozens of people who were in that locality on that day, but she just got unlucky?
Are you suggesting the Leave campaign orchestrated her death? Why would they do that when her death damaged the leave vote?
If it was politically motivated by anyone then it would be the Remain campaign as it helped their vote share increase. "
I never connected her murder to the referendum, you did, personally I see it politically motivated for other reasons connected to her work as an MP |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin. "
The irony is that immigration will just change, eu migrants replaced with commonwealth migrants. |
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin. "
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened. |
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin. "
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Surely you wouldn't need to throw them out if the economy(which they came for) is going down the toilet they'll just leave and go to another EU country |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The truth is many people WILL complain about the future, leave or remain....In the same way that many people whine about the government but don't vote to force a change.....the Australian way of looking at it is this, you can't complain if you were part of the compulsory voting process....democracy wins"
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My way of looking at it, is you lot voted in the various shit bag governments that then fucked me over.... So I'm complaining about you lot voting not the government.... By the way that Australian system turned out a pm who can't even grasp basic science and said there was a climate change cover up scandal.... Oh yeah he got elected with a very big turnout.... Still a fucking prick |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The irony is that immigration will just change, eu migrants replaced with commonwealth migrants."
And lets be honest about it, an immigrant from Nigeria or Bangladesh stands out a lot more than one from Romania or Spain. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened. "
I guess you haven't been watching the news today. |
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened.
I guess you haven't been watching the news today."
I've been watching the news every day since June 23rd. The so called experts you put all of your faith and trust in such as the IMF had to make a humiliating climb down just the other day and admitted they got it wrong, they said the effect of the Brexit vote had been mild and not severe as they predicted.
We've also seen some of the highest growth figures on record for exports since June 23rd (thanks to the lower pound), and a booming UK tourism Industry (thanks to the lower pound) and FTSE hitting a near all time high (thanks to the lower pound). |
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened.
I guess you haven't been watching the news today.
I've been watching the news every day since June 23rd. The so called experts you put all of your faith and trust in such as the IMF had to make a humiliating climb down just the other day and admitted they got it wrong, they said the effect of the Brexit vote had been mild and not severe as they predicted.
We've also seen some of the highest growth figures on record for exports since June 23rd (thanks to the lower pound), and a booming UK tourism Industry (thanks to the lower pound) and FTSE hitting a near all time high (thanks to the lower pound). "
You know as a country we are a net importer right? We import more than we export. The more the pound falls, the poorer we get.
As you know, the predictions were based on article 50 being triggered immediately, however Cameron wanted to hand that shit sandwich onto the next PM and watch them choke on it. The markets had hoped that maybe it would never happen, then take a hit when its announced it will happen in Q1 2017, then the markets hope it will be a soft Brexit with us remaining members of the Single Market, when May announces it will be hard, it tumbles even further and companies like Nissan start begging for protection. Just wait to see what will happen by 31st March. |
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened.
I guess you haven't been watching the news today.
I've been watching the news every day since June 23rd. The so called experts you put all of your faith and trust in such as the IMF had to make a humiliating climb down just the other day and admitted they got it wrong, they said the effect of the Brexit vote had been mild and not severe as they predicted.
We've also seen some of the highest growth figures on record for exports since June 23rd (thanks to the lower pound), and a booming UK tourism Industry (thanks to the lower pound) and FTSE hitting a near all time high (thanks to the lower pound).
You know as a country we are a net importer right? We import more than we export. The more the pound falls, the poorer we get.
As you know, the predictions were based on article 50 being triggered immediately, however Cameron wanted to hand that shit sandwich onto the next PM and watch them choke on it. The markets had hoped that maybe it would never happen, then take a hit when its announced it will happen in Q1 2017, then the markets hope it will be a soft Brexit with us remaining members of the Single Market, when May announces it will be hard, it tumbles even further and companies like Nissan start begging for protection. Just wait to see what will happen by 31st March."
No it was never suggested during the referendum campaign that it would be the act of triggering article 50, the Remain campaign said time and time again the act of voting to leave would lead to economic meltdown and since we voted leave it has simply not happened. Now you are moving the goal posts and saying it will be when article 50 is triggered. What happens when the effects of triggering article 50 are mild and not severe? What excuse will you come up with to have a moan about then? No doubt you will try to move the goal posts again onto something else? |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened. "
So you don't see a very possible run on the pound as a severe danger to the UK economy?, you don't see that the pound has dropped to a 31 year low against the US dollar?
It's happening.......right now |
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened.
So you don't see a very possible run on the pound as a severe danger to the UK economy?, you don't see that the pound has dropped to a 31 year low against the US dollar?
It's happening.......right now"
Yes I see what's happening as I just said I watch the news. As I pointed out though it's not all doom and gloom like you Remainers try to paint a picture of. There are advantages and benefits to having a lower value pound. Many experts think the pound was over inflated and over valued before anyway. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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Nissan and Toyota have already indicated that they would expect the government to cover any tariff costs for exports into the EU, which is their single reason for producing cars in the UK in the first place.
Others will follow.... |
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"Nissan and Toyota have already indicated that they would expect the government to cover any tariff costs for exports into the EU, which is their single reason for producing cars in the UK in the first place.
Others will follow...."
And Jaguar Land Rover have just had their highest sales month ever. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"And the people who voted to leave aren't moaning or complaining about our economy going down the toilet. They don't seem to give a shit as long as every foreigner is thrown out the country. Its like living under Idi Amin.
The economy isn't going down the toilet though. The Armageddon predicted by the Remain campaign (and they said the very act of voting to leave would cause it) never happened.
So you don't see a very possible run on the pound as a severe danger to the UK economy?, you don't see that the pound has dropped to a 31 year low against the US dollar?
It's happening.......right now
Yes I see what's happening as I just said I watch the news. As I pointed out though it's not all doom and gloom like you Remainers try to paint a picture of. There are advantages and benefits to having a lower value pound. Many experts think the pound was over inflated and over valued before anyway. "
The City recognised 'Safe' low for the pound is in fact 1.31 to the dollar, anything less is not a benefit to the economy. The pound has been bouncing along around 7p-9p higher than of benefit to exports so a small downward variation isn't a major risk to the economy, however any run on the pound that would see it plunge any lower than 1.09 to the dollar will see inflation rise considerably.... |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Nissan and Toyota have already indicated that they would expect the government to cover any tariff costs for exports into the EU, which is their single reason for producing cars in the UK in the first place.
Others will follow....
And Jaguar Land Rover have just had their highest sales month ever. "
Doesn't even begin to dent the import deficit, they would have to quadruple sales to have any significant benefit. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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Ordinary families, working people, will be hit massively by a significant rise in inflation as they are not protected by it.
The BOE have warned against this long before the referendum was ever muted.... |
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"Ordinary families, working people, will be hit massively by a significant rise in inflation as they are not protected by it.
The BOE have warned against this long before the referendum was ever muted...."
We'd be much worse off staying in the EU. As you mention the BOE, the ex governor Sir Mervyn King has said the Eurozone (and there by the EU) are doomed to failure. When Greece hits the skids again (and possibly Italy) it will be all over for the Euro and the EU and you'll be thanking your lucky stars we got out of it. |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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Just last week the head of Jaguar Landrover joined other UK based car manufacturers to warn that leaving the single market will be 'catastrophic' for the industry, an industry that amounts to 7% of UK imports.
So I think you will find that Jaguar Landrover don't share your enthusiasm, and it's them that employ all those thousands of UK workers..... |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Ordinary families, working people, will be hit massively by a significant rise in inflation as they are not protected by it.
The BOE have warned against this long before the referendum was ever muted....
We'd be much worse off staying in the EU. As you mention the BOE, the ex governor Sir Mervyn King has said the Eurozone (and there by the EU) are doomed to failure. When Greece hits the skids again (and possibly Italy) it will be all over for the Euro and the EU and you'll be thanking your lucky stars we got out of it. "
When the EU is forced to reform in the very near future we won't be there to benefit, we will be stuck on the outside, knee deep in trade tariffs that will see UK manufacturers believing that a weak pound and the benefits it affords exports is just a piss in the ocean compared to the hit they will take |
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"Ordinary families, working people, will be hit massively by a significant rise in inflation as they are not protected by it.
The BOE have warned against this long before the referendum was ever muted....
We'd be much worse off staying in the EU. As you mention the BOE, the ex governor Sir Mervyn King has said the Eurozone (and there by the EU) are doomed to failure. When Greece hits the skids again (and possibly Italy) it will be all over for the Euro and the EU and you'll be thanking your lucky stars we got out of it.
When the EU is forced to reform in the very near future we won't be there to benefit, we will be stuck on the outside, knee deep in trade tariffs that will see UK manufacturers believing that a weak pound and the benefits it affords exports is just a piss in the ocean compared to the hit they will take"
If you think the EU will ever complete any kind of meaningful reform you are seriously deluded and you are just kidding yourself. As for tariffs, the EU already has a tariff, it's called the EU membership fee. |
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Completely correct. Murdered by a far right terrorist. If it had been an islamic extremist then the reporting of the crime would have been very different |
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You have no idea of how capitalism works. The markets are triggered by instability. The reaction in the markets this week happened over fears of a hard Brexit. You think the UK can withstand three years of this constant instability until the country leaves? You won't even want to use the pound to wipe your arse on |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"Completely correct. Murdered by a far right terrorist. If it had been an islamic extremist then the reporting of the crime would have been very different"
I think the referendum was the least of the worries of the guy who murdered Jo Cox, I'm pretty sure it will come out in his trial that his links to far right groups both here and in the US drove him to murder that poor woman.
We hear a lot about Islamic extremist indoctrination, but I've seen it first hand here in the UK in the form of the far right and their hatred of anything non white and pure... |
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By *anes HubbyCouple
over a year ago
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"You have no idea of how capitalism works. The markets are triggered by instability. The reaction in the markets this week happened over fears of a hard Brexit. You think the UK can withstand three years of this constant instability until the country leaves? You won't even want to use the pound to wipe your arse on"
It only needs the likes of George Soros to start to liquidate his interest in the pound and the wheels will fall off pretty damn fast, the idiots who believe that a strong FTSE benefits ordinary people here in the UK are criminally deluded, a plunging pound will see this country on its knees.....just because we wanted to stick two fingers up to 'Johnny Foreigner' |
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"You have no idea of how capitalism works. The markets are triggered by instability. The reaction in the markets this week happened over fears of a hard Brexit. You think the UK can withstand three years of this constant instability until the country leaves? You won't even want to use the pound to wipe your arse on"
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No not with these new plastic notes, that would be incredible folly |
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By (user no longer on site)
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And I thought everyone in the UK had gone mad. Thanks for restoring my faith. Maybe a tolerant, fraternal, outward-looking country might be possible in the future..... |
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"And I thought everyone in the UK had gone mad. Thanks for restoring my faith. Maybe a tolerant, fraternal, outward-looking country might be possible in the future....."
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Your living abroad anyhow so why do you give a fuck about the pound or an outward looking Britain? |
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Because I'm British. Because my family live in the UK. Because I don't want my country to turn into a place that is run by bigoted, jingoistic idiots. Because all those truly great Britons who came before us and stand out as an example to all of us do not deserve to have their legacy besmirched by a generation of narrow-minded cretins who have no idea of the bigger picture and what it takes to build a civilised and coherent country. That's why I'm concerned about Britain |
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"And I thought everyone in the UK had gone mad. Thanks for restoring my faith. Maybe a tolerant, fraternal, outward-looking country might be possible in the future....."
Britain will be an outward looking country when it leaves the inward looking and protectionist EU. By leaving the EU Britain is opening itself up to the whole world once again as a truly global free trading nation. |
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"Because I'm British. Because my family live in the UK. Because I don't want my country to turn into a place that is run by bigoted, jingoistic idiots. Because all those truly great Britons who came before us and stand out as an example to all of us do not deserve to have their legacy besmirched by a generation of narrow-minded cretins who have no idea of the bigger picture and what it takes to build a civilised and coherent country. That's why I'm concerned about Britain"
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I wouldn't worry about it to much, folk in the UK tend to be pretty sensible on the whole, we've not had a civil war for like 350 years that's better than the French Germans Italians Spanish Greeks Russians Americans Finnish Yugoslavians, Czechs, Irish and the Portuguese |
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"Because I'm British. Because my family live in the UK. Because I don't want my country to turn into a place that is run by bigoted, jingoistic idiots. Because all those truly great Britons who came before us and stand out as an example to all of us do not deserve to have their legacy besmirched by a generation of narrow-minded cretins who have no idea of the bigger picture and what it takes to build a civilised and coherent country. That's why I'm concerned about Britain"
it is the cretins who enclose themselves under the banner of the European Union who are the narrow minded and who cannot see the bigger picture. Who want to put up barriers to trade and business in a vain attempt to try and protect itself. The world has changed and the EU has long since served its purpose. Think globally son.
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So why is Rudd trying to exclude everyone from entering the country, including fee-paying foreign students?
The UK is going from forward-looking freedom of movement to a repressive state |
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Nice speech. But still not on the jingoism bandwagon. Most of Britain's trade goes to Europe, naturally as they are our neighbours. The concept that suddenly we are going to be trading with Angola and Nepal rather than France and Germany is quite surreal |
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"And I thought everyone in the UK had gone mad. Thanks for restoring my faith. Maybe a tolerant, fraternal, outward-looking country might be possible in the future.....
Britain will be an outward looking country when it leaves the inward looking and protectionist EU. By leaving the EU Britain is opening itself up to the whole world once again as a truly global free trading nation. "
Your wasting your time mate they,ve all got blinker on the EU can do no wrong to them. |
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By *isandre OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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How is it the leave voters are claiming those who didn't vote at all were on their side.
In most significant changes to constitutions or rules and the like a vote to change something will have a higher threshold than just over 50% of those voting to force change. That is because protesters are more likely to get out and vote while those who are broadly happy with the status quo will be apathetic.
Cameron was incompetent and arrogant.
However the assumption should be that most who didn't vote at all were for no change rather than to leave.
Leave have no overwhelming mandate at all and certainly not one for a hard brexit. |
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"Nice speech. But still not on the jingoism bandwagon. Most of Britain's trade goes to Europe, naturally as they are our neighbours. The concept that suddenly we are going to be trading with Angola and Nepal rather than France and Germany is quite surreal"
Helps if you hit reply and quote so then people know who you are replying to. |
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what i cant understamd is , the government think we can make a go of brexit some of the most influential of camerons cabinet canvassed for it , yet they ducked the leadership opportunity when the country voted leave, the financial services sector is supposed to be our bread and butter yet we still have boom amd bust, or fall on our arses when the us farts or fucks up financially, why? we have nuclear power , and waste management, why arent we building our own fucking power stations if we think its the way forward, yet we had the foundations of a renewables manufaturing industry and promptly pulled the subsidy from under it just as it was beginning to show it could be a real export success, we have the capability to harness wind and tidal power for generation yet arent researching any means of storage, which if possible would supply all our energy needs and probably provide something worth exporting for once. why ismt climate preservation a priority when we know the carbon sources of fuel are finite and causing global rises in temperature! why most of all are the corporations of this country stiffing everyone who needs low energy tariffs cheap insurance stable and rewarding employment access to housing health and education , . What government allows this! a corrupt greedy and contemptuous government ! controlled by a banking elite |
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By *isandre OP TV/TS
over a year ago
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The main point of my OP has been completely missed.
We are now, as a country, as a democracy, in a position where a senior government minister openly sanctions lying to the public on matters of huge national importance and we are accepting of it.
The response on this thread emphasises it.
If we accept it we are asking to be led by the best at telling lies rather than those best at telling the truth
That might seem like a small difference at first glance, but it is not. It's fucking huge. |
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"The main point of my OP has been completely missed.
We are now, as a country, as a democracy, in a position where a senior government minister openly sanctions lying to the public on matters of huge national importance and we are accepting of it.
The response on this thread emphasises it.
If we accept it we are asking to be led by the best at telling lies rather than those best at telling the truth
That might seem like a small difference at first glance, but it is not. It's fucking huge. "
You seem to be missing the point that the Remain campaign also openly lied to the public on a matter of huge importance during the EU referendum campaign too. The British public were lied to by successive governments about the nature of the EU project right from the very start when Ted Heath lied through his teeth to get us into the common market in the first place.
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"How is it the leave voters are claiming those who didn't vote at all were on their side.
In most significant changes to constitutions or rules and the like a vote to change something will have a higher threshold than just over 50% of those voting to force change. That is because protesters are more likely to get out and vote while those who are broadly happy with the status quo will be apathetic.
Cameron was incompetent and arrogant.
However the assumption should be that most who didn't vote at all were for no change rather than to leave.
Leave have no overwhelming mandate at all and certainly not one for a hard brexit. "
nobody is claiming that. The point is that if they didn't vote then they probably didn't care either way, making it 30 million people who are either happy with the way the vote went or are happy to accept the way the vote went, whichever way it went, so the country is not as divided as some people like to make out |
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This is all somewhat superfluous, we had an in out referendum, and the majority of those who bothered to turn up voted out.
I voted out, and I don't give a flying fuck if people want to hang a soppy label on me for that. I did it not because I stand to gain anything from it, I honestly do not. But I believe that this island could do with becoming just that again, we are a great country that has achieved great things. The EU is just another step towards globalisation, and with that comes loss of identity.
We will eventually be better off because of the BREXIT vote, but we might have to wait for all the bitterness and resentment to die down, not just from the losers on remain campaign, but from EU gravy train politicians in France & Germany for example. Not the people of these countries, just the politicians. They will be fearful that their own citizens might well want to leave the EU, and not without reason.
I predict that in the next five years the whole damn thing will unravel, and to the whole continent, the EU will be nothing more than a bad memory. ?? |
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"This is all somewhat superfluous, we had an in out referendum, and the majority of those who bothered to turn up voted out.
I voted out, and I don't give a flying fuck if people want to hang a soppy label on me for that. I did it not because I stand to gain anything from it, I honestly do not. But I believe that this island could do with becoming just that again, we are a great country that has achieved great things. The EU is just another step towards globalisation, and with that comes loss of identity.
We will eventually be better off because of the BREXIT vote, but we might have to wait for all the bitterness and resentment to die down, not just from the losers on remain campaign, but from EU gravy train politicians in France & Germany for example. Not the people of these countries, just the politicians. They will be fearful that their own citizens might well want to leave the EU, and not without reason.
I predict that in the next five years the whole damn thing will unravel, and to the whole continent, the EU will be nothing more than a bad memory. ??"
Agreed but I think it will take a bit longer than 5 years. Depends on what happens in next years Elections in Germany & France. |
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