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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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It's not just the Saudis either. The Americans carry out drone strikes in Yemen without authority from the Yemenni government.
The Americans even carried out a targeted assassination of a US citizen in Yemen, without any judicial oversight via drone strike. Good luck trying to figure out the legal justification for that one. |
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"Refugees are fleeing Yemen and heading to Somalia. Your life has got to be pretty shit if you think "where is better/safer than here? Somalia, yeah that's a good place to go" "
And still people moan about Britain and how shite it is living here.
Most of them have not seen or experienced real poverty other than what they see on the TV |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Refugees are fleeing Yemen and heading to Somalia. Your life has got to be pretty shit if you think "where is better/safer than here? Somalia, yeah that's a good place to go"
And still people moan about Britain and how shite it is living here.
Most of them have not seen or experienced real poverty other than what they see on the TV "
I know, most have never even met a refugee let alone seen the countries and conditions they are fleeing from.
People on the forums are always saying how rubbish our health care system is or how bad our education system is, and although any system can always be better, what we have is vastly better than what the majority of the world's population have to make do with. |
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"Refugees are fleeing Yemen and heading to Somalia. Your life has got to be pretty shit if you think "where is better/safer than here? Somalia, yeah that's a good place to go"
And still people moan about Britain and how shite it is living here.
Most of them have not seen or experienced real poverty other than what they see on the TV
I know, most have never even met a refugee let alone seen the countries and conditions they are fleeing from.
People on the forums are always saying how rubbish our health care system is or how bad our education system is, and although any system can always be better, what we have is vastly better than what the majority of the world's population have to make do with. "
It makes me cringe when people talk about 'poverty' in this country. |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia "
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. |
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"Refugees are fleeing Yemen and heading to Somalia. Your life has got to be pretty shit if you think "where is better/safer than here? Somalia, yeah that's a good place to go"
And still people moan about Britain and how shite it is living here.
Most of them have not seen or experienced real poverty other than what they see on the TV
I know, most have never even met a refugee let alone seen the countries and conditions they are fleeing from.
People on the forums are always saying how rubbish our health care system is or how bad our education system is, and although any system can always be better, what we have is vastly better than what the majority of the world's population have to make do with. "
Yes I agree, I spent quite a bit of time traveling the Philippines a bit over 20 years ago and have been down in the provinces and different islands right and whilst beutiful health service is non existant and you only get treatment if you can pay.
We all take it for granted in the UK.
Never quite comes across on the telly does it! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. "
utter crap! |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!"
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas? |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas? "
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible. |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible."
 just when you thought it couldn't get any funnier |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible."
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it. "
If you say so, so have you got a better idea? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it.
If you say so, so have you got a better idea? "
Yes, it's in the section you quoted |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it.
If you say so, so have you got a better idea?
Yes, it's in the section you quoted"
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Here is an unpleasant truth:
Although it is distasteful to support an authoritarian regime like Bin Saudi family (regardless of the oil), it is in our self interests to have them rule that part of the world.
We have managed to screw the pooch by backing regime change in the rest of the Islamic Middle East and at every turn we have further destabilised the region and world. At what point will we accept that for whatever reason for the last 6000 years Middle East history has been unchanging when it comes to leadership and power. Just because we have found and embraced democratic liberalism (small L) we have to accept that where the locals don't want it we need to support the hard men that have no wish to enslave us. Because when we help their enemies remove them we are asking for trouble, and the violence we help unleash in the Middle East by removing those that keep it bottled up will be visited on us in our turn. |
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"Here is an unpleasant truth:
Although it is distasteful to support an authoritarian regime like Bin Saudi family (regardless of the oil), it is in our self interests to have them rule that part of the world.
We have managed to screw the pooch by backing regime change in the rest of the Islamic Middle East and at every turn we have further destabilised the region and world. At what point will we accept that for whatever reason for the last 6000 years Middle East history has been unchanging when it comes to leadership and power. Just because we have found and embraced democratic liberalism (small L) we have to accept that where the locals don't want it we need to support the hard men that have no wish to enslave us. Because when we help their enemies remove them we are asking for trouble, and the violence we help unleash in the Middle East by removing those that keep it bottled up will be visited on us in our turn."
Hooray, the sensible you is back |
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"Hooray, the sensible you is back "
I'm former forces, and although it is not popular in military circles, personal socialist politics are not unknown and are not opposed to enlightened military self interest.
I do accept that the most vocal socialists do seem to tend to support CND, unilateral disarmament and pacifism. Unfortunately these beliefs are based on falsehoods, total lack of understanding and wishful thinking. |
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"Hooray, the sensible you is back
I'm former forces, and although it is not popular in military circles, personal socialist politics are not unknown and are not opposed to enlightened military self interest.
I do accept that the most vocal socialists do seem to tend to support CND, unilateral disarmament and pacifism. Unfortunately these beliefs are based on falsehoods, total lack of understanding and wishful thinking."
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There's only one period of history where the middle east was relatively peaceful... |
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"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There's only one period of history where the middle east was relatively peaceful... "
I fully agree with you about learning from history. However I am not aware I am not aware of any time in recorded history when the Middle East was peaceful. Maybe we have different definitions of peace, but I would like to hear when you believe the middle east was peaceful. |
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"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. There's only one period of history where the middle east was relatively peaceful...
I fully agree with you about learning from history. However I am not aware I am not aware of any time in recorded history when the Middle East was peaceful. Maybe we have different definitions of peace, but I would like to hear when you believe the middle east was peaceful."
I did say relatively peaceful. But it's when there was a regional superpower (i.e the ottoman empire). 400 years of reasonable stable rule, unlike the last 100 where things have gotten distinctively worse for the majority of the people living there (note Afghanistan was once a viable holiday destination in the region). The region needs a regional superpower in my opinion, but US doctrine has focused on balance of power (i.e funding both Iraq and Iran in their 8 year war) and look how well that has done. |
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"I did say relatively peaceful. But it's when there was a regional superpower (i.e the ottoman empire). 400 years of reasonable stable rule, unlike the last 100 where things have gotten distinctively worse for the majority of the people living there (note Afghanistan was once a viable holiday destination in the region). The region needs a regional superpower in my opinion, but US doctrine has focused on balance of power (i.e funding both Iraq and Iran in their 8 year war) and look how well that has done. "
Well now I understand. I of course disagree with you about the Ottoman Empire bringing peace to the region. But if (for the sake of argument) I accept your view, why did you not also count the rule of the Persian Empire to its defeat by Alexandra The Great, the rule of Egypt's Middle Kingdom, or the 300 years when the middle east was ruled from Rome and Constantinople? |
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Gulf producers ship oil along the Gulf of Aden on Yemen's southern coast and through the narrow straits of Bab el-Mandeb, between Yemen and Djibouti.
The conflict raises the specter of a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia |
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" Gulf producers ship oil along the Gulf of Aden on Yemen's southern coast and through the narrow straits of Bab el-Mandeb, between Yemen and Djibouti.
The conflict raises the specter of a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia"
What do you think has been going on across the middle east and Arab/Islamic world for the past 40 years? |
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" Gulf producers ship oil along the Gulf of Aden on Yemen's southern coast and through the narrow straits of Bab el-Mandeb, between Yemen and Djibouti.
The conflict raises the specter of a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia
What do you think has been going on across the middle east and Arab/Islamic world for the past 40 years?"
indeed but 10/15 years ago you could fly in and work safely on the oil rigs, how many Brits and U.S. do that now? |
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I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public. |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public."
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you. |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible."
Truthfully I don't really care what happens over there, it's Muslims killing Muslims and there is more than enough of them to go around
Why do you think they have at least 4 kids per household
Saudis Yemenis Somalians, Muslims it the most 2 faced medieval religion known to man kind, Sky gods at their best lol
Any way it will all be done in the Allah the merciful and peaceful
I think not Allah Akbar... |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you."
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung |
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"never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you."
Not in middle east admittedly, but in 92 I was part of a rigging team (irata) with a team of divers on a rig off the Niger delta.
The divers put their emergency decompression chamber on a nearby beach because there was no way of getting it out to the rig. It was smashed up and its techs were taken hostage and beaten up when BP refused to pay the local gangsters (who included the police!)
I have heard of people being beaten up by religious police in Saudi, Libya and Oman. |
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Truthfully I don't really care what happens over there, it's Muslims killing Muslims and there is more than enough of them to go around
Why do you think they have at least 4 kids per household
Saudis Yemenis Somalians, Muslims it the most 2 faced medieval religion known to man kind, Sky gods at their best lol
Any way it will all be done in the Allah the merciful and peaceful
I think not Allah Akbar..."
You mean we should actually ask muslims to take responsibility for slaughtering each other... instead of the infidels in the filthy 'West'!? Whatever next!?
You clearly haven't been paying attention to decades of politically correct propaganda spewing forth from politicians, the press and media!
Oh yes, nearly forgot...Allah u Akbar! |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas? "
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
Yup"
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Truthfully I don't really care what happens over there, it's Muslims killing Muslims and there is more than enough of them to go around
Why do you think they have at least 4 kids per household
Saudis Yemenis Somalians, Muslims it the most 2 faced medieval religion known to man kind, Sky gods at their best lol
Any way it will all be done in the Allah the merciful and peaceful
I think not Allah Akbar...
You mean we should actually ask muslims to take responsibility for slaughtering each other... instead of the infidels in the filthy 'West'!? Whatever next!?
You clearly haven't been paying attention to decades of politically correct propaganda spewing forth from politicians, the press and media!
Oh yes, nearly forgot...Allah u Akbar!"
Well I'm happy to eat pork, it's never done me any harm,M even nicer on some fresh crusty bread with a nice runny egg lol |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you.
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung"
Renewables are a better way to secure our energy security, much less vulnerable to terrorism, environmental disasters etc. |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you.
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung
Renewables are a better way to secure our energy security, much less vulnerable to terrorism, environmental disasters etc. "
and how will these renewables take up peak winter demand without going back to power cuts |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you.
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung
Renewables are a better way to secure our energy security, much less vulnerable to terrorism, environmental disasters etc.
and how will these renewables take up peak winter demand without going back to power cuts"
Whatever method of generation (nuclear, gas, coal, wind, tidal, solar etc.) you use, it only works if you build enough of it. So to keep up with demand, build enough, simple. |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you.
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung
Renewables are a better way to secure our energy security, much less vulnerable to terrorism, environmental disasters etc.
and how will these renewables take up peak winter demand without going back to power cuts
Whatever method of generation (nuclear, gas, coal, wind, tidal, solar etc.) you use, it only works if you build enough of it. So to keep up with demand, build enough, simple."
doesn't sound promising for a frosty cold winters day with no sunlight, dead calm, no wind
especially with peak demand for heating and lighting as well as all industry, sounds like we would be fucked if we relay on Renewables only  |
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you.
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung
Renewables are a better way to secure our energy security, much less vulnerable to terrorism, environmental disasters etc.
and how will these renewables take up peak winter demand without going back to power cuts
Whatever method of generation (nuclear, gas, coal, wind, tidal, solar etc.) you use, it only works if you build enough of it. So to keep up with demand, build enough, simple.
doesn't sound promising for a frosty cold winters day with no sunlight, dead calm, no wind
especially with peak demand for heating and lighting as well as all industry, sounds like we would be fucked if we relay on Renewables only "
No, we're fucked if we rely on fossil fuels and their devastating effect on the environment or the toxic waste left by nuclear.
Do you see the irony in your anti immigration stance and the fact that you work in an industry that is driving immigration as people move away from land effected by climate change? (see the 2010 & 2015 SDSR if you dont believe the two are linked) |
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"I did say relatively peaceful. But it's when there was a regional superpower (i.e the ottoman empire). 400 years of reasonable stable rule, unlike the last 100 where things have gotten distinctively worse for the majority of the people living there (note Afghanistan was once a viable holiday destination in the region). The region needs a regional superpower in my opinion, but US doctrine has focused on balance of power (i.e funding both Iraq and Iran in their 8 year war) and look how well that has done.
Well now I understand. I of course disagree with you about the Ottoman Empire bringing peace to the region. But if (for the sake of argument) I accept your view, why did you not also count the rule of the Persian Empire to its defeat by Alexandra The Great, the rule of Egypt's Middle Kingdom, or the 300 years when the middle east was ruled from Rome and Constantinople?"
Mainly because I didn't consider those periods to be especially peaceful. I'm willing to be corrected on that though?
By the time the Roman empire split, it was in terminal decline and constantly invaded...
Irrespective, if an empire proved to have a comparable peaceful period, that would still support the notion that a regional superpower is the best bet for peace. Until the OP reveals their awesome grand plans anyway... |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
Truthfully I don't really care what happens over there, it's Muslims killing Muslims and there is more than enough of them to go around
Why do you think they have at least 4 kids per household
Saudis Yemenis Somalians, Muslims it the most 2 faced medieval religion known to man kind, Sky gods at their best lol
Any way it will all be done in the Allah the merciful and peaceful
I think not Allah Akbar..."
Qatar, Brunei, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Oman -
8 countries that, according to the CIA, have higher GDP per Capita at PPP than the UK. That's broadly the international standard for economic wellbeing for the economically challenged.
Not bad for people following a 'medieval' religion. |
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"Mainly because I didn't consider those periods to be especially peaceful. I'm willing to be corrected on that though?
By the time the Roman empire split, it was in terminal decline and constantly invaded...
Irrespective, if an empire proved to have a comparable peaceful period, that would still support the notion that a regional superpower is the best bet for peace. Until the OP reveals their awesome grand plans anyway... "
Thanks for the reply, not the answer I expected, but maybe similar.
It is interesting that you equate disrest in the middle east during the times I mentioned with decline of the ruling powers but do not think there was the sort of disrest during the period of Ottoman rule. I believe that is where we differ. It is my contention that in a society where strength and rank is based on ownership and exercise of power over chattels then there will always be unrest, when the ownership of chattels extends to humans the violence engendered by that unrest will be intensified, when it even extends to family (as in the Arab and Arab dominated world) then there is no room for peace in the society because peace is a sign of weakness and an invitation for a stronger person to take over.
I believe the period of peace you referrer to was nothing but an illusion and that you will find the Ottoman's ruled with an iron fist in an iron glove. |
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"Mainly because I didn't consider those periods to be especially peaceful. I'm willing to be corrected on that though?
By the time the Roman empire split, it was in terminal decline and constantly invaded...
Irrespective, if an empire proved to have a comparable peaceful period, that would still support the notion that a regional superpower is the best bet for peace. Until the OP reveals their awesome grand plans anyway...
Thanks for the reply, not the answer I expected, but maybe similar.
It is interesting that you equate disrest in the middle east during the times I mentioned with decline of the ruling powers but do not think there was the sort of disrest during the period of Ottoman rule. I believe that is where we differ. It is my contention that in a society where strength and rank is based on ownership and exercise of power over chattels then there will always be unrest, when the ownership of chattels extends to humans the violence engendered by that unrest will be intensified, when it even extends to family (as in the Arab and Arab dominated world) then there is no room for peace in the society because peace is a sign of weakness and an invitation for a stronger person to take over.
I believe the period of peace you referrer to was nothing but an illusion and that you will find the Ottoman's ruled with an iron fist in an iron glove. "
I can see why you'd say that. I don't fully agree but it's not an unreasonable point of view.
Humans evolved living in kinship groups, then became tribal. Some tribes become societies and others didn't. See papua new guinea as an example of a country that never made the jump. Some put feudalism in between, but not all.
What I'm saying is that the Middle East is not like Europe. It's deeply tribal while most of Europe got hundreds of years in a feudal system to make the transition. You can't expect the same standards or types of rulers in both. Look at Iraq, the world's second shittiest country actually got worse under democracy. |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?
North Korea obviously
But Sweden is a close third. "
with Scotland fourth |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?
North Korea obviously "
what was it like when you were there? why do you dislike it, was it the people or the country itself
is it far safer to visit Sierra Leone & Liberia?
does Joshua Milton Blahyi and his young soldiers still practice cannibalism?
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?
North Korea obviously
what was it like when you were there? why do you dislike it, was it the people or the country itself
is it far safer to visit Sierra Leone & Liberia?
does Joshua Milton Blahyi and his young soldiers still practice cannibalism?
there are many bad places in this world, but it is good you can isolate and separate the worst "
Do your questions relate to North Korea or Iraq? |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?
North Korea obviously
what was it like when you were there? why do you dislike it, was it the people or the country itself
is it far safer to visit Sierra Leone & Liberia?
does Joshua Milton Blahyi and his young soldiers still practice cannibalism?
there are many bad places in this world, but it is good you can isolate and separate the worst
Do your questions relate to North Korea or Iraq? "
North Korea, just your views on your visit there, why you dislike it so much, and is it the people themselves or the country |
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"guess we all wish we were General Butt Naked
Don't know him. I do know a Brother Butt Fucking Naked though... "
you don't want to know him, you may find some documentaries on him though on youtube, or google |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?
North Korea obviously
what was it like when you were there? why do you dislike it, was it the people or the country itself
is it far safer to visit Sierra Leone & Liberia?
does Joshua Milton Blahyi and his young soldiers still practice cannibalism?
there are many bad places in this world, but it is good you can isolate and separate the worst
Do your questions relate to North Korea or Iraq?
North Korea, just your views on your visit there, why you dislike it so much, and is it the people themselves or the country"
It's never the people. People's are made up of three layers. A human nature. A national culture and their own personality.
You can't hate all people from one place because we all have the same human nature. There aren't many national cultures is really hate, with Sweden being an exception. Obvious some personalities are awful, but those people have always appeared to be evenly distributed around the globe.
It's really the regime in North Korea. It's a country where 2-3m people starve to death in the 90's for goodness sake. We haven't seen that kind of economic mismanagement since the dictators of WW2. |
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"I can see why you'd say that. I don't fully agree but it's not an unreasonable point of view.
Humans evolved living in kinship groups, then became tribal. Some tribes become societies and others didn't. See papua new guinea as an example of a country that never made the jump. Some put feudalism in between, but not all.
What I'm saying is that the Middle East is not like Europe. It's deeply tribal while most of Europe got hundreds of years in a feudal system to make the transition. You can't expect the same standards or types of rulers in both. Look at Iraq, the world's second shittiest country actually got worse under democracy. "
I fully agree with you about the evolution of human society and how the Arab world is not Europe and can not be judged or ruled by our standards.
I believe that there is a simple reason for this and why the Arab dominated world is so violent. It is that our (humans) behaviour and growth (society) is shaped and driven by the climate of our environment. Harsh inhospitable environments where water and food are at a premium produce small violent societies where it is a big deal inviting outsiders into the group, soft temperate environments allow for the development of larger softer societies with less emphasis on group identities and more peaceful interaction and cooperation between groups. Of course isolated rain-forest societies are of course unlightly to develop much beyond the tribal stage because there is little environmental pressure and many barriers to expansion. |
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"I can see why you'd say that. I don't fully agree but it's not an unreasonable point of view.
Humans evolved living in kinship groups, then became tribal. Some tribes become societies and others didn't. See papua new guinea as an example of a country that never made the jump. Some put feudalism in between, but not all.
What I'm saying is that the Middle East is not like Europe. It's deeply tribal while most of Europe got hundreds of years in a feudal system to make the transition. You can't expect the same standards or types of rulers in both. Look at Iraq, the world's second shittiest country actually got worse under democracy.
I fully agree with you about the evolution of human society and how the Arab world is not Europe and can not be judged or ruled by our standards.
I believe that there is a simple reason for this and why the Arab dominated world is so violent. It is that our (humans) behaviour and growth (society) is shaped and driven by the climate of our environment. Harsh inhospitable environments where water and food are at a premium produce small violent societies where it is a big deal inviting outsiders into the group, soft temperate environments allow for the development of larger softer societies with less emphasis on group identities and more peaceful interaction and cooperation between groups. Of course isolated rain-forest societies are of course unlightly to develop much beyond the tribal stage because there is little environmental pressure and many barriers to expansion."
These are certainly important factors but they do not condemn a country entirely.
You can take a country, chop it in half and give one side a good government and give the other half a bad one. The good side will quickly become one of the most developed and richest countries in the world (south korea) and the other... well...
Same for Singapore and Malaysia. East and West Germany... |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?"
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Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement"
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish |
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What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it. "
This was an interesting comment but can you provide some examples of countries with inter-dependent economies which have gone to war? Are you thinking of examples like Ukraine and Russia? |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it.
This was an interesting comment but can you provide some examples of countries with inter-dependent economies which have gone to war? Are you thinking of examples like Ukraine and Russia?"
should be easy as there are only 11 countries in the world who are not involved in one conflict or another |
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"Just seen unreported world on channel 4, shocking scenes including people starving to death because the saudi air force bombed the only port that can unload the food. 80 or 90% (forgot the figure) of done has to be imported. It mentioned that the saudis committed a war crime, using british or american weapons.. Killing civilians. Staggering hypocricy from the uk and usa, in the light of what they say criticising syria and russia
What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible.
We've been over this before, there's no consensus that interdependency reduces wars, it's just lazy logic with gaping holes in it.
This was an interesting comment but can you provide some examples of countries with inter-dependent economies which have gone to war? Are you thinking of examples like Ukraine and Russia?"
If you want the full answer then Google "interdependence myth or reality" by rosecrance and stein.
But in short:
- it is not clear that interdependence is increasing
- if we take the position that it is, this trend was occurring well before WW2 and obviously didn't prevent it
- others argue that interdependence makes states more likely to come into conflict, since the actions of one can harm another more easily. For example, Iraq invaded Kuwait because Kuwaiti oil policy was spoiling the price of oil for Iraq and Iraq literally couldn't afford to do nothing given the debt it had accumulated |
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For the benefit of mixedbcouple, my post was about the hypocricy of the U.S. condemning the actions of syria and russia's actions yet going against international law and bombing syria, and ignoring atrocities in yemen and supplying the saudies with weapons to do that as reported on 'unreported world' my post being based the documentary's content. I would and will describe your initial post as crap, because it is. It shows your lack of considered thought and accuracy of comprehention in replying. |
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"For the benefit of mixedbcouple, my post was about the hypocricy of the U.S. condemning the actions of syria and russia's actions yet going against international law and bombing syria, and ignoring atrocities in yemen and supplying the saudies with weapons to do that as reported on 'unreported world' my post being based the documentary's content. I would and will describe your initial post as crap, because it is. It shows your lack of considered thought and accuracy of comprehention in replying. "
Have you ever read the melian dialogue? If so, what makes you think it doesn't apply today? |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish "
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It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish .
It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet"
It was called 'debaathification' |
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What did you think war was like? Two gentlemen with pistols turning their back on eachother and walking 12 paces?
In the real world, it's not a question of working with the good guys or the bad guys. The Saudis are still our best bet for peace in that region due to sheer economic, ethnic and geographical reasons. No matter how much mud you throw at them. utter crap!
Typical of the looney left. Don't like something, just say "bollucks" or "crap".
What's your solution for peace in the middle east then? Got some good ideas?
To be honest, what they need is a local version of the EU. Bind their economies so closely together as to make war impossible."
They will never have an Arab version of the EU, it has been advocated for, by the likes of Nasser and Sadat, promoted Pan Arab unity, the latter was assassinated because of that, the reason Gadaffi fell out with the Saudis, Emirates, and the like, was his call for Pan-Arab unity. Assad's dad, the same.These countries are so divided along sectarian lines it is impossible to unite. The Saudis are in Yemen because of Iran, they are trying to limit Iran's influence in the region. It is ironic that Russia is being asked not to bomb Allepo, but Saudi Arabia is doing exactly that in Sanaa, with American and British air power... That place is a mess, the only solution is not to interfere. Another Irony, Isreal is enjoying relative peace because the Arabs are busy slaughtering themselves... I guess every dark cloud...  |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish .
It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet
It was called 'debaathification' "
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You know that made me chuckle.... You being pro socialist for once |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish .
It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet"
Its a very parochial view to think you can have western kind of democracy in this region, it is not like a one size fits all. Similar to saying there is Earth like life in other galaxies. They need to have a different form of governance that recognises the hatred they have for each other... |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish .
It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet
It was called 'debaathification' .
You know that made me chuckle.... You being pro socialist for once "
You mean by not throwing 1m trained killers onto the unemployment heap? Yeah I can forsee a few problems that could generate.
Saddam was socialist FYI |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish .
It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet
It was called 'debaathification' .
You know that made me chuckle.... You being pro socialist for once
You mean by not throwing 1m trained killers onto the unemployment heap? Yeah I can forsee a few problems that could generate.
Saddam was socialist FYI "
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The whole baathist movement was socialist in intent and founders!.
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Of course you can't have socialist policies in the middle East so they had to go!...  .
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That part of the world is fucked in the head, you can rule with relative peace using just plane old violence but you ain't never going to solve the place.... Now armed with that knowledge why the fuck we keep selling them arms is beyond me |
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"so, in your opinion what is the worlds most shittiest country if Iraq is second?.
Libya actually declined in living standards faster than anywhere since they got rid of that awful dictator..... Your now 137 times more likely to be murdered than under Gaddafi.
That's some pretty shit mismanagement
Not sure how they fucked you Libya but the mistakes in Iraq were pretty amateurish .
It's called insisting that democracy gets pushed onto cultures that quite frankly aren't cut out for it.... Yet
It was called 'debaathification' .
You know that made me chuckle.... You being pro socialist for once
You mean by not throwing 1m trained killers onto the unemployment heap? Yeah I can forsee a few problems that could generate.
Saddam was socialist FYI .
The whole baathist movement was socialist in intent and founders!.
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Of course you can't have socialist policies in the middle East so they had to go!... .
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That part of the world is fucked in the head, you can rule with relative peace using just plane old violence but you ain't never going to solve the place.... Now armed with that knowledge why the fuck we keep selling them arms is beyond me"
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I have also worked on rigs worldwide, and if you are honest with yourself you will admit that (outside the UAE, Kuwait, USA and North Sea) the oil industry world wide is protected by armed militias and soldiers paid for by the oil companies. And when the oil companies fail to pay oil workers and their kit is up for grabs!
All that has happened in the last 10 15 years is that the dangers of violence have become more public.
never saw much violence, only thing required was a 2 x 200 carton cigarette passport bribe, to ensure your passport was returned to you.
All the more reason to crack on with fracking in the Uk, we can then leave the Middle East to go back to the sand from which it sprung
Renewables are a better way to secure our energy security, much less vulnerable to terrorism, environmental disasters etc.
and how will these renewables take up peak winter demand without going back to power cuts
Whatever method of generation (nuclear, gas, coal, wind, tidal, solar etc.) you use, it only works if you build enough of it. So to keep up with demand, build enough, simple.
doesn't sound promising for a frosty cold winters day with no sunlight, dead calm, no wind
especially with peak demand for heating and lighting as well as all industry, sounds like we would be fucked if we relay on Renewables only
No, we're fucked if we rely on fossil fuels and their devastating effect on the environment or the toxic waste left by nuclear.
Do you see the irony in your anti immigration stance and the fact that you work in an industry that is driving immigration as people move away from land effected by climate change? (see the 2010 & 2015 SDSR if you dont believe the two are linked)"
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