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superfight 1.... the 1st presidential debate
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
happens tomorrow night... 9pm eastern, 2am uk time....
anyone staying up to watch.... i probably won't but i got tuedsay off to watch and digest all the preshow and postshow.....
I think hillary will get under donalds skin and donald will explode at some point.... can you see donald managing to stay onscript for 90 minutes with no commercials and no teleprompter...
you know donald is going to riff somepoint into a major gaff...... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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He'll reference conspiracy theories,911, Muslims, China, Mexicans and Iraq war.
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She'll constantly tell everyone he's a fascist and not that great business.... She might even mention his tax returns!!!.
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It's funny how it's come down to the two most hated candidates in political history, there detested by both sides and they're own supporter's.... Only in America as they say |
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I think it will get a lot more personal than that.
I expect that Trump will be provoked into accusing Clinton of fraud and maybe even treason at which point I think Clinton will wash a lot of Trump dirty laundry on TV including his links to organised crime and corruption in NY, at which point I think there is a good chance that Trump will lose it and say something that will result in a break to commercials and an end to the debate.
I could be wrong, Trump may be more controlled than I believe and Clinton less of a supersmooth venomous political viper just waiting to deliver the her killing bite to the Trump campaign. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I'm thinking of staying up to watch it, though 2am is brutal. I wish I was in the US right now  "
i am so staying up.... i am going to do the whole pregame postshow thing...  |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I'll rely on your commentary, OP.
I don't have a blood pressure problem but I feel watching this may be detrimental to my health.
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.... lol okay...
i am all set up... takeaway and alcohol in.... watching sky till midnight.... taping the cnn coverage for tomorrow and watching MSNBC on the internet....
can you tell i am policy wonk!!! 
i still don't believe donald can keep it together for 90 minutes without a break and a teleprompter.... at some point hillary is going to needle him, or he is going to end up riffing into making a major gaff.... |
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Wish I could watch as family ties in the us and my kids go back and forth a lot. Have to be in at work firing on all cylinders by seven am, so I don't think I'm going to stay up. I've just finished work though so still unwinding ... |
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I was very surprised at how civil the debate was.
Not what I have come to expect from Trump (or Clinton).
I for one don't quite know what to make of these 2 new iteration of the presidential characters. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
North West |
So I am over here at the moment and watched the debate as well as much of the journalist debates afterwards on a number of different channels. The general consensus seems to be that was a big win for Hilary and the Trumpster was just not prepared. He continued to tell lies that were easily refutable and offered nothing of any substance in terms of actual policy.
Best line was on NBC.... "Is it not really, really important that the President of the United States expresses themself in a measured and articulate way and does not tell blatant untruths?"
Seemingly Donald was suffering a cold and so he may perform better next week. Round 1 convincingly to Hilary. |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
i had the 1st 15 minutes as being about even.... and the last 75 minutes for clinton
for someone talking about "stamina" trump certainly didnt look like the stamina candidate.....
he just rambled and she let him hang himself......
i think the whole "who should fact check" debate over the weekend worked in his favour, because it put the focus on the lies he's been telling..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It is being played in full on sky news at 08:30 & 2pm
so for those who weren't silly enough to sit up, you can watch it in full this morning or this afternoon with a fresh head after a good nights sleep |
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
the thing for me is that trump had to know some of the questions were going to come up because he made them front and centre... birtherism, taxes, race relations.... and he still botched them all!!!
the bits about not paying federal taxes and that "making him smart"..... and stiff of vendors by not paying them and saying "well thats business".... those will end up in attack ads!!!
clinton did a good job of using his own words and tweets against him, and again what he said tonight, some of that will end up being used against him!!!
where was the preperation....
give donald his due... the first 15 minutes about trade... good, then it went downhill and fast! rambling...
if you are mentioning rosie o'donnell in a presidential debate... you know you are in trouble!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If its legal to avoid taxes then should we all, not avoid taxes?
I pay £1200 a month into AVC's, that's £1200 off net pay, this in turn allows £800 a month to be added to this from my tax, so in total £2000 a month into AVC's totally legal
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Why should I give that £800 a month to tax when I can add it to my pension pot as a little extra |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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One thing that Trump said that is spot on;
The people of the USA must respect Law & Order
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far too many shootings in black communities with illegal guns, these guns must be taken off the street |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"One thing that Trump said that is spot on;
The people of the USA must respect Law & Order
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far too many shootings in black communities with illegal guns, these guns must be taken off the street"
ah but you can't stop and frisk its 'racist', its not fair. What a joke, who's shooting whom? What have they got to do, search little old ladies to make it 'fair'? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Watching it now, Hillary opens with the usual meaningless drivel about "jobs in innovation and technology" and "fairness". Naturally the audience will love that given they can all interpret such vague language as they please. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well objectively, Trump's opening 2 minutes were far better than Clinton's. He had numbers, a clear position and talked specifics.
Even if I personally think he doesn't have a snowflake in hell's chance of achieving it. At least he said something... unlike Clinton |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Clinton wants "smart, fair trade deals". Eugh. Please tell me it gets better than this, does that woman ever say anything of substance? "
nope. He talks twaddle but at least its something and an alternative twaddle |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Clinton wants "smart, fair trade deals". Eugh. Please tell me it gets better than this, does that woman ever say anything of substance?
nope. He talks twaddle but at least its something and an alternative twaddle"
Yes, he clearly couldn't answer the question about how he would get 25m jobs back.
But why is he letting Clinton talk about 2008 financial crisis without mentioning that it was her husband who signed into law the very financial instruments that enabled the crash?
It's called the financial services modernization act Donald, her husband signed it |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"One thing that Trump said that is spot on;
The people of the USA must respect Law & Order
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far too many shootings in black communities with illegal guns, these guns must be taken off the street"
Which includes paying your taxes |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One thing that Trump said that is spot on;
The people of the USA must respect Law & Order
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far too many shootings in black communities with illegal guns, these guns must be taken off the street
Which includes paying your taxes"
if there are loopholes in the tax regulations, you can legally use these loopholes to your advantage
there is a huge difference in staying within the law and taking illegal actions, wouldn't you agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Strong growth, fair growth, sustained growth" more drivel from Clinton. 24:00 and Trump has been better other than him completely flunking the 25m jobs question |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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40:00 and Hillary finally draws some blood. Bit low brow but she questions his business record and people he has stiffed in business.
Although calling herself middle class is laughable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be fair, Hillary did a good job there. Trump hides behind the letter of the law for his conduct, whilst Hillary brings in a moral aspect.
Her comments will actually resonate well with real business people since everyone knows 'the law is an ass'. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"40:00 and Hillary finally draws some blood. Bit low brow but she questions his business record and people he has stiffed in business.
Although calling herself middle class is laughable. "
Donald Trump regards starting a lawsuit against people he owes money to as a legitimate business tactic of mitigating his costs. Hilary got it bang on about that. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One thing that Trump said that is spot on;
The people of the USA must respect Law & Order
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far too many shootings in black communities with illegal guns, these guns must be taken off the street
Which includes paying your taxes
if there are loopholes in the tax regulations, you can legally use these loopholes to your advantage
there is a huge difference in staying within the law and taking illegal actions, wouldn't you agree"
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It's an age old strawman argument!
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There's a vast difference between avoiding paying tax through pensions and.... Bribing politicans and tax regulators to create loopholes for you to evade paying any tax whatsoever!.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I trust the Brexiters who believed that the Trump would roll over and give the UK a favourable trade deal if he became President were watching last night. "
yep. What, better than the one we've got now you mean? Oh hang on we don't have one. Do the Remainers think that the EU will get a favourable trade deal if he became President and for that reason we should have stayed in? |
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"I trust the Brexiters who believed that the Trump would roll over and give the UK a favourable trade deal if he became President were watching last night.
yep. What, better than the one we've got now you mean? Oh hang on we don't have one. Do the Remainers think that the EU will get a favourable trade deal if he became President and for that reason we should have stayed in?"
I'm a remainer and I don't think it will make a blind bit of difference which of them becomes president as regards sorting out Brexit with the EU from a British stand point. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I trust the Brexiters who believed that the Trump would roll over and give the UK a favourable trade deal if he became President were watching last night.
yep. What, better than the one we've got now you mean? Oh hang on we don't have one. Do the Remainers think that the EU will get a favourable trade deal if he became President and for that reason we should have stayed in?"
Apparently we have already been told by the "present" president that we are at the back of the queue
oh wait, no, he changed his mind on that after the EU vote, or has he changed it back again
back of the queue
front of the queue
closest ally
back of the queue
front of the queue
closest ally
oh dear will they ever make their mind up  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"40:00 and Hillary finally draws some blood. Bit low brow but she questions his business record and people he has stiffed in business.
Although calling herself middle class is laughable.
Donald Trump regards starting a lawsuit against people he owes money to as a legitimate business tactic of mitigating his costs. Hilary got it bang on about that."
Hence why I said she did a good job there. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I'm looking forward to the Foreign Affairs debate when Clinton can explain to the world why she and Obama abandoned Ambassador Stevens and his unusually severely understrength protection team to a Jihadi murder mob. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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44:09 and we're back to Hillary pandering to PC bullshit, race "determines how they are treated in the justice system". That's lovely, your party has been in power for 7.5 years and the leader is black, but he's presided over a racist system and done nothing about it? Very logical |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Trump talks absolute bollucks about ISIS, but Clinton fails to capitalise on his gaffs. She should have nailed him on that instead of just saying "oh our fact checkers will show he's wrong". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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1:35 Clinton back to being a PC idiot again, criticises Trump for saying "women don't deserve equal pay unless they do as good job as men". Are you listening to yourself Hillary? Pay is about ability not gender, race, religion or anything else. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So Donald was doing well on the economy until he dropped the ball on how he would get 25m jobs back. Hillary was dreadful with bland, meaningless statements.
She did well to question parts of his business record and got the better of him on foreign policy issues. He did better on law and order, again she just had bland statements with no substance.
They are both exceptionally poor candidates and it's scary if you compare the quality of Obama vrs McCain in 2008 to this drivel in 2016. |
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