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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing. "
About bloody time too 
Though it would of been better if the UK could build the damn things ourselves & not rely on foreign governments  |
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing. "
I think the delay was more about Teresa May saying I,m in charge now and I,ll say if and when it is built. |
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
I think the delay was more about Teresa May saying I,m in charge now and I,ll say if and when it is built."
Yes I viewed it simply as May putting her stamp on it |
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
About bloody time too
Though it would of been better if the UK could build the damn things ourselves & not rely on foreign governments "
There's only one country in the world that takes great pride in trying not to rely on other governments, it is... north Korea |
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
About bloody time too
Though it would of been better if the UK could build the damn things ourselves & not rely on foreign governments
There's only one country in the world that takes great pride in trying not to rely on other governments, it is... north Korea "
The Chinese could pull the plug on the DPRK |
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
About bloody time too
Though it would of been better if the UK could build the damn things ourselves & not rely on foreign governments
There's only one country in the world that takes great pride in trying not to rely on other governments, it is... north Korea
The Chinese could pull the plug on the DPRK"
Ironic isn't it. I chose my words carefully for that reason. However the dominant philosophy is juche which roughly means self sufficiency. Even if they don't actually achieve it. |
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Anyhow back to hinkley the plant that makes the highest cost electricity in the world!!....
Oh yeah turns out it's not as cheap you think.... Don't worry your going to pay the roughly 150 billon pound cost of decommissioning the other nuclear plants which won't produce any electricity at all, NADA.
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But at least it's carbon free yeah... That's something at least... Well actually it turns out if you weigh up the carbon building and maintaining it... It doesn't actually become any less carbon friendly until it's been operating for about 18 years!!.
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It's a great deal though, brilliant future proofing... Not |
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I don't think May delayed it to prove a point, I think she delayed it for pretty much the reasons she said.
She distrusted Osborne and his cosying up to the Chinese (fucking over our steel industry at the same time), so wanted to look at it herself more thoroughly. |
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"Anyhow back to hinkley the plant that makes the highest cost electricity in the world!!....
Oh yeah turns out it's not as cheap you think.... Don't worry your going to pay the roughly 150 billon pound cost of decommissioning the other nuclear plants which won't produce any electricity at all, NADA.
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But at least it's carbon free yeah... That's something at least... Well actually it turns out if you weigh up the carbon building and maintaining it... It doesn't actually become any less carbon friendly until it's been operating for about 18 years!!.
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It's a great deal though, brilliant future proofing... Not"
£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system. |
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"Anyhow back to hinkley the plant that makes the highest cost electricity in the world!!....
Oh yeah turns out it's not as cheap you think.... Don't worry your going to pay the roughly 150 billon pound cost of decommissioning the other nuclear plants which won't produce any electricity at all, NADA.
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But at least it's carbon free yeah... That's something at least... Well actually it turns out if you weigh up the carbon building and maintaining it... It doesn't actually become any less carbon friendly until it's been operating for about 18 years!!.
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It's a great deal though, brilliant future proofing... Not"
If you dont like it then just disconnect yourself from the grid |
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
About bloody time too
Though it would of been better if the UK could build the damn things ourselves & not rely on foreign governments "
Problem is they sold the design patent years ago so we can't build it ourselves even if we had the money  |
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No, we haven't designed & built a reactor like this for 30 years, we simply don't have the expertise, supply chain and infrastructure to build one and to put all that in place would take decades and cost billions more. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"The government were always going to agree to Hinckley as they have been spending millions on the infrastructure for years It was just about timing.
I think the delay was more about Teresa May saying I,m in charge now and I,ll say if and when it is built.
Yes I viewed it simply as May putting her stamp on it"
I think the Chinese will view it as Britain slapping China in the face on the international stage. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I don't think May delayed it to prove a point, I think she delayed it for pretty much the reasons she said.
She distrusted Osborne and his cosying up to the Chinese (fucking over our steel industry at the same time), so wanted to look at it herself more thoroughly. "
I don't think our steel industry is going to be any safer post-Brexit if we sign a FTA with China! Although some on here think it means the Chinese will start to buy expensive British steel from the otherside of the world instead of the cheap steel on their doorstep! |
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"I don't think May delayed it to prove a point, I think she delayed it for pretty much the reasons she said.
She distrusted Osborne and his cosying up to the Chinese (fucking over our steel industry at the same time), so wanted to look at it herself more thoroughly.
I don't think our steel industry is going to be any safer post-Brexit if we sign a FTA with China! Although some on here think it means the Chinese will start to buy expensive British steel from the otherside of the world instead of the cheap steel on their doorstep! "
what do you mean start? They have been buying it for years and still do. Google it if you don't believe me |
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"Anyhow back to hinkley the plant that makes the highest cost electricity in the world!!....
Oh yeah turns out it's not as cheap you think.... Don't worry your going to pay the roughly 150 billon pound cost of decommissioning the other nuclear plants which won't produce any electricity at all, NADA.
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But at least it's carbon free yeah... That's something at least... Well actually it turns out if you weigh up the carbon building and maintaining it... It doesn't actually become any less carbon friendly until it's been operating for about 18 years!!.
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It's a great deal though, brilliant future proofing... Not
£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system."
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Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98 |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98"
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet. |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet."
I doubt the Chinese would deliver on time either if they took 2.5 hours for lunch every day |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet.
I doubt the Chinese would deliver on time either if they took 2.5 hours for lunch every day "
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet."
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The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here? |
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Hinkley is exactly case in point about the problems of UK politics.... It's short-termism cop out politics on tough decisions that no politican today has to worry about because they'll be long gone by the time most of the public realise what a right five star cock up it is |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?"
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas? |
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"Hinkley is exactly case in point about the problems of UK politics.... It's short-termism cop out politics on tough decisions that no politican today has to worry about because they'll be long gone by the time most of the public realise what a right five star cock up it is"
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas?"
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There's loads of ways, for starters there's tidal 4 times day and night. Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits. There's piston designs where you basically make rams under millions of tonnes of rock and you just let the earth push down under gravity, this is technology we have today, it's men, dynamite, bulldozer and pistons... Stuff we've doing 150 years |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas?.
There's loads of ways, for starters there's tidal 4 times day and night. Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits. There's piston designs where you basically make rams under millions of tonnes of rock and you just let the earth push down under gravity, this is technology we have today, it's men, dynamite, bulldozer and pistons... Stuff we've doing 150 years"
I do understand renewable generation and the mechanics of how it works, but again, renewable generation cannot on its own supply peak power output at peak times and when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas, this is even more of a problem where you have to relay on other means of supply, then when you have generators tripping on overload this causes further problems |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas?.
There's loads of ways, for starters there's tidal 4 times day and night. Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits. There's piston designs where you basically make rams under millions of tonnes of rock and you just let the earth push down under gravity, this is technology we have today, it's men, dynamite, bulldozer and pistons... Stuff we've doing 150 years
I do understand renewable generation and the mechanics of how it works, but again, renewable generation cannot on its own supply peak power output at peak times and when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas, this is even more of a problem where you have to relay on other means of supply, then when you have generators tripping on overload this causes further problems"
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You know about stored energy!! You know that oil industry you work in? Solar energy turned into vegetation matter and stored as oil you dig it up and use it when you need it?.... Every form of energy on planet earth is solar energy it's either stored or collected direct from source |
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You know about stored energy!! You know that oil industry you work in? Solar energy turned into vegetation matter and stored as oil you dig it up and use it when you need it?.... Every form of energy on planet earth is solar energy it's either stored or collected direct from source"
I sure wish we had that magic stored energy offshore because every time we lose a generator we lose half the plant or a total shutdown, we cannot "store" electric power other than battery UPS (uninterruptible Power Supply) which is used for diesel fire pumps and "Black start diesel" generators |
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Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits.
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Problem with that is it costs more money in pumping the water up hill during the day than it generates on it's way back down, but is useful to the grid as there's hardly any "start up" time involved for when they need it to generate.
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"I don't think May delayed it to prove a point, I think she delayed it for pretty much the reasons she said.
She distrusted Osborne and his cosying up to the Chinese (fucking over our steel industry at the same time), so wanted to look at it herself more thoroughly.
I don't think our steel industry is going to be any safer post-Brexit if we sign a FTA with China! Although some on here think it means the Chinese will start to buy expensive British steel from the otherside of the world instead of the cheap steel on their doorstep!
what do you mean start? They have been buying it for years and still do. Google it if you don't believe me"
Last time you couldn't name a single chinese purchase of British steel. |
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"Hinkley is exactly case in point about the problems of UK politics.... It's short-termism cop out politics on tough decisions that no politican today has to worry about because they'll be long gone by the time most of the public realise what a right five star cock up it is"
How long do you think the conservatives will be able to kick the Heathrow expansion plan down the road? |
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Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits.
Problem with that is it costs more money in pumping the water up hill during the day than it generates on it's way back down, but is useful to the grid as there's hardly any "start up" time involved for when they need it to generate.
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Solar and wind is currently about 42 mwh or half the cost of hinkley, now if you used that to pump your water you could still produce base load electricity via that method for cheaper than hinkley, there's some brilliantly clever people working on electrical production and the progress at this minute is huge.
The problem with hinkley is the minute you fire the fucker up is the minute you commit to the billions in decommissioning costs, your practically stuck with it for 30-50 years regardless of what comes along in ten years time and I will guarantee you here and now there will be cheaper, much cheaper methods brought about by the jump were taking right now world wide in technology. |
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Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits.
Problem with that is it costs more money in pumping the water up hill during the day than it generates on it's way back down, but is useful to the grid as there's hardly any "start up" time involved for when they need it to generate.
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Solar and wind is currently about 42 mwh or half the cost of hinkley, now if you used that to pump your water you could still produce base load electricity via that method for cheaper than hinkley, there's some brilliantly clever people working on electrical production and the progress at this minute is huge.
The problem with hinkley is the minute you fire the fucker up is the minute you commit to the billions in decommissioning costs, your practically stuck with it for 30-50 years regardless of what comes along in ten years time and I will guarantee you here and now there will be cheaper, much cheaper methods brought about by the jump were taking right now world wide in technology."
I actually agree |
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Then there's deferred like in Snowdonia where you can use daytime electric to pump water up and release wherever it suits.
Problem with that is it costs more money in pumping the water up hill during the day than it generates on it's way back down, but is useful to the grid as there's hardly any "start up" time involved for when they need it to generate.
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Solar and wind is currently about 42 mwh or half the cost of hinkley, now if you used that to pump your water you could still produce base load electricity via that method for cheaper than hinkley, there's some brilliantly clever people working on electrical production and the progress at this minute is huge.
The problem with hinkley is the minute you fire the fucker up is the minute you commit to the billions in decommissioning costs, your practically stuck with it for 30-50 years regardless of what comes along in ten years time and I will guarantee you here and now there will be cheaper, much cheaper methods brought about by the jump were taking right now world wide in technology."
From What ive read the £90 odd pmw for Hinckley is the price for when it starts generating in around 2025 , while wind / solar is estimated to cost around £100 pmw at that time.
That was from a study in 2013 , o know things could have changed by now. |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas?"
in all my time of sailing the Bristol Channel I have yet to see it calm. Always loads of tide to get clean energy from. |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas? in all my time of sailing the Bristol Channel I have yet to see it calm. Always loads of tide to get clean energy from. "
Well you'll aways have tides as long as there is water and the moon. |
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£98 pmw ain't too bad, the National grid are often paying £500 to over £1000 pmw on a regular basis to cover shortfalls in the system..
Its the most expensive nuclear generated electricity in the world!
And your still going to pick up the huge tab for decommissioning it when it produces no electricity at all, that cost isn't on the £98
I know that but we may have 50 to 60 years of generation before that has to be funded.
Since we've neglected our own energy sector for so long, let the very few companies goto the wall who could produce infrastructure to build items of plant required for nuclear generation, a total lack of experienced work force to design let alone build one then it leaves us little choice in paying a higher price for another country to fork out the billions to build them.
To be honest I'd prefer it if China was the principle contractor and not the French as China has a far better track record of building Nuclear power stations on budget and on time, something the French don't seem able to do yet..
The French are building the reactor the rest is being built by the Chinese... There's actually lots of British expertise in nuclear generation, that's a bit of a misleader.
Edf have vast experience in reactors due to building about 50 odd of them in France and about 12 in other EU countries.
What the British do have some expertise in is renewable generation, in fact were really at the top of the league, base load generation could be done today quite readily by hydro, it's expensive but not that much more than nuclear when you take in the decommissioning costs... Of course they're offsetting that cost to people who aren't born yet, which is exactly in reality what hinkley is.... An offset cost to generate electricity, which is why in 10,20 and 30 years time you'll be paying through the nose for it....
One more point, when your producing the most expensive electricity in the world what effect do you think that has on any business and products you want to make here?
how do you control base load at peak times when there is no sunlight, wind and calm seas? in all my time of sailing the Bristol Channel I have yet to see it calm. Always loads of tide to get clean energy from. "
oh well, that's great news, England is saved, they don't need nuclear, they have all the power needed from the sea
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Harnessing tidal power on any meaningful basis is still in its infancy at best.
You're still looking at decades & billions of research before we would have possibly anything meaningful.
Now I'm not saying we shouldn't look at tidal its just the fact that we need big generation now "10 years" kind of now.
Best thing would be quite a few new big coal fired stations to see us through to be able to come up with alternatives to nuclear taking into account the decommissioning costs and hazards.
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"Harnessing tidal power on any meaningful basis is still in its infancy at best.
You're still looking at decades & billions of research before we would have possibly anything meaningful.
Now I'm not saying we shouldn't look at tidal its just the fact that we need big generation now "10 years" kind of now.
Best thing would be quite a few new big coal fired stations to see us through to be able to come up with alternatives to nuclear taking into account the decommissioning costs and hazards.
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There proposing to build a 350mw tidal lagoon in south Wales due to start 2019 ok so it's output is a tenth of hinkley c but it's quite doable today.
Gas turbine plants can be built for a few hundred million and they have a relatively quick start up and even buying expensive gas there still cheaper than hinkley c!.
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I won't even get in to the cost when they go tits up but feel free to see how much Japan have spent upto now!.
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Nuclear power is 70 year old technology, it's an expensive convoluted way to boil water... If you want to go with fission then we could build liquid salt reactors run on thorium there safer, easier to build, cost less and you get rare earth's as your by product, something that's really really important to modern technology devices and which the entire market is practically cornered by China |
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Right now the UK government(that's us) can borrow money at the cheapest rates for 300 years.... Now if you borrow your cheap money now and spend it wisely on stuff you'll get returns on, it's a no brainer.... It's entirely possible to make most houses self reliant on pv arrays, nearly everything you plug in these days runs on dc pv panels produce perfect dc which we then rectify to AC where the appliance you plug in then inverts it back to a chopped up dc... Were still running on a system that was dreamt up for 1900s technology...
We could put millions of people back to work creating and installing 21st century power infrastructure and we can do it while borrowing is at record lows and quite frankly if we're to ever meet c02 levels needed to not destroy human life... We need to do it now.
As the Apollo mission proved,Big things aren't impossible there just difficult |
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"Right now the UK government(that's us) can borrow money at the cheapest rates for 300 years.... Now if you borrow your cheap money now and spend it wisely on stuff you'll get returns on, it's a no brainer.... It's entirely possible to make most houses self reliant on pv arrays, nearly everything you plug in these days runs on dc pv panels produce perfect dc which we then rectify to AC where the appliance you plug in then inverts it back to a chopped up dc... Were still running on a system that was dreamt up for 1900s technology...
We could put millions of people back to work creating and installing 21st century power infrastructure and we can do it while borrowing is at record lows and quite frankly if we're to ever meet c02 levels needed to not destroy human life... We need to do it now.
As the Apollo mission proved,Big things aren't impossible there just difficult"
There are very good arguments for all that you say as near on evrything lectrical is DC now inside the box.
Even motors are dc because they are digital in a lot of cases.
AC is only reall useful for transmitting electricity over long distance as dc fizzels out.
so if houses had thier own solar with battery storage you would hardly need the grid at all.
Power companies don't really want this though .
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By *obka3Couple
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There proposing to build a 350mw tidal lagoon in south Wales due to start 2019 ok so it's output is a tenth of hinkley c but it's quite doable today.
Gas turbine plants can be built for a few hundred million and they have a relatively quick start up and even buying expensive gas there still cheaper than hinkley c!.
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I won't even get in to the cost when they go tits up but feel free to see how much Japan have spent upto now!.
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Nuclear power is 70 year old technology, it's an expensive convoluted way to boil water... If you want to go with fission then we could build liquid salt reactors run on thorium there safer, easier to build, cost less and you get rare earth's as your by product, something that's really really important to modern technology devices and which the entire market is practically cornered by China"
The tidal barrage was on the cards before the second bridge was built but was killed of by the bunny huggers due to loss of wetland areas |
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Best thing would be quite a few new big coal fired stations to see us through to be able to come up with alternatives to nuclear taking into account the decommissioning costs and hazards.
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There proposing to build a 350mw tidal lagoon in south Wales due to start 2019 ok so it's output is a tenth of hinkley c but it's quite doable today.
Gas turbine plants can be built for a few hundred million and they have a relatively quick start up and even buying expensive gas there still cheaper than hinkley c!.
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I thought you were a tree hugger trying to save the world and cut back on CO2 emissions  |
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Best thing would be quite a few new big coal fired stations to see us through to be able to come up with alternatives to nuclear taking into account the decommissioning costs and hazards.
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There proposing to build a 350mw tidal lagoon in south Wales due to start 2019 ok so it's output is a tenth of hinkley c but it's quite doable today.
Gas turbine plants can be built for a few hundred million and they have a relatively quick start up and even buying expensive gas there still cheaper than hinkley c!.
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I thought you were a tree hugger trying to save the world and cut back on CO2 emissions "
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I am, the fact of the matter is nuclear power stations aren't even carbon friendly until about 12 to 15 years into its life, they take huge amounts of concrete to build them, concrete is a big c02 producer!.
You have to look at the evidence for new electrical production techniques due to come about within ten years, this might mean "short term" fill inns. |
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