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Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think? |
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"Not only do I think he should be given a pardon,i also think he should be given the congressional medal of honour! And a tick a tape parade  "
I figured you'd feel that way  |
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?"
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. |
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. "
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What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. "
See, I don't really think, in these circumstances, that I would need to "exhaust all avenues" in order to figure out that the US government was going to make and example of me. The Obama administration in particular has been notoriously hard on whistleblowers.
I figure that the presidential pardon was made exactly for these sorts of situations - people who are guilty of the crime but who are justified. So for me, it isn't a question of whether he could exhaust other avenues, it's more aquestion of whether he was justified. He made a moral argument that he was. What do you think? Was taking the law into his own hands justified in this situation or is it never justifiable? Is there nothing you believe in strongly enough where you'd take the law into your own hands?
Maybe it takes people who seek such attention to actually do what needs to be done in some situations? |
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. .
What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine! "
We as humans did not evolve in societies. Societies are a relatively new concept and tricky fuckers to get them to work and not break down to tribalism.
You have to accept that your personal opinion is not always going to triumph. Just like I think monogamy, GDP as a measure of productivity and degrees in music are stupid.
I haven't heard any good reason why he needed to put that stuff online. I haven't heard that he spent years trying to change the system but nobody would listen. I don't know why he needed to leak so many documents and why that had to go online rather than a newspaper just publish that "we have seen evidence that..."
It's all very well saying what a hero he is but he's a complete gift to terrorists too. |
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. .
What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine!
We as humans did not evolve in societies. Societies are a relatively new concept and tricky fuckers to get them to work and not break down to tribalism.
You have to accept that your personal opinion is not always going to triumph. Just like I think monogamy, GDP as a measure of productivity and degrees in music are stupid.
I haven't heard any good reason why he needed to put that stuff online. I haven't heard that he spent years trying to change the system but nobody would listen. I don't know why he needed to leak so many documents and why that had to go online rather than a newspaper just publish that "we have seen evidence that..."
It's all very well saying what a hero he is but he's a complete gift to terrorists too."
But he didn't put them all online...he gave them to the Guardian to publish responsibly after removing any potentially harmful information. I think you're thinking of Julian Assange of WikiLeaks? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here.
See, I don't really think, in these circumstances, that I would need to "exhaust all avenues" in order to figure out that the US government was going to make and example of me. The Obama administration in particular has been notoriously hard on whistleblowers.
I figure that the presidential pardon was made exactly for these sorts of situations - people who are guilty of the crime but who are justified. So for me, it isn't a question of whether he could exhaust other avenues, it's more aquestion of whether he was justified. He made a moral argument that he was. What do you think? Was taking the law into his own hands justified in this situation or is it never justifiable? Is there nothing you believe in strongly enough where you'd take the law into your own hands?
Maybe it takes people who seek such attention to actually do what needs to be done in some situations? "
Yes there are things that I would take the law into my own hands for, but not as a first recourse.
I get the impression that he liked the glamour of such a public leak. If he had the real convictions of his beliefs, he would suffer in silence for a couple of years whilst trying to change the system.
I'm also not convinced that this is one of those things that is justified to take the law into your own hands either. Even if it is, there are better ways he could have gone about it that would have made the same point without risking national security. |
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. .
What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine!
We as humans did not evolve in societies. Societies are a relatively new concept and tricky fuckers to get them to work and not break down to tribalism.
You have to accept that your personal opinion is not always going to triumph. Just like I think monogamy, GDP as a measure of productivity and degrees in music are stupid.
I haven't heard any good reason why he needed to put that stuff online. I haven't heard that he spent years trying to change the system but nobody would listen. I don't know why he needed to leak so many documents and why that had to go online rather than a newspaper just publish that "we have seen evidence that..."
It's all very well saying what a hero he is but he's a complete gift to terrorists too.
But he didn't put them all online...he gave them to the Guardian to publish responsibly after removing any potentially harmful information. I think you're thinking of Julian Assange of WikiLeaks?"
Errr maybe 
What's the difference between what they did? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. .
What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine!
We as humans did not evolve in societies. Societies are a relatively new concept and tricky fuckers to get them to work and not break down to tribalism.
You have to accept that your personal opinion is not always going to triumph. Just like I think monogamy, GDP as a measure of productivity and degrees in music are stupid.
I haven't heard any good reason why he needed to put that stuff online. I haven't heard that he spent years trying to change the system but nobody would listen. I don't know why he needed to leak so many documents and why that had to go online rather than a newspaper just publish that "we have seen evidence that..."
It's all very well saying what a hero he is but he's a complete gift to terrorists too.
But he didn't put them all online...he gave them to the Guardian to publish responsibly after removing any potentially harmful information. I think you're thinking of Julian Assange of WikiLeaks?
Errr maybe
What's the difference between what they did? "
Assange puts everything online, without removing even potentially harmful information - like the classifid names of CIA operatives in the field. He is also not American. He was the founder of WikiLeaks and supports the idea that all information should be public.
Snowden was an American who did tech support at the NSA, took vast amounts of data he felt violated the privacy rights of Americans as protected in the constitution, gave those documents to a reporter at the Guardian and went into hiding. The Guardian went through the documents meticulously before choosing which bits to publish, and removing anything that would be harmful to individuals and security - as they saw it in any case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. .
What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine!
We as humans did not evolve in societies. Societies are a relatively new concept and tricky fuckers to get them to work and not break down to tribalism.
You have to accept that your personal opinion is not always going to triumph. Just like I think monogamy, GDP as a measure of productivity and degrees in music are stupid.
I haven't heard any good reason why he needed to put that stuff online. I haven't heard that he spent years trying to change the system but nobody would listen. I don't know why he needed to leak so many documents and why that had to go online rather than a newspaper just publish that "we have seen evidence that..."
It's all very well saying what a hero he is but he's a complete gift to terrorists too.
But he didn't put them all online...he gave them to the Guardian to publish responsibly after removing any potentially harmful information. I think you're thinking of Julian Assange of WikiLeaks?
Errr maybe
What's the difference between what they did?
Assange puts everything online, without removing even potentially harmful information - like the classifid names of CIA operatives in the field. He is also not American. He was the founder of WikiLeaks and supports the idea that all information should be public.
Snowden was an American who did tech support at the NSA, took vast amounts of data he felt violated the privacy rights of Americans as protected in the constitution, gave those documents to a reporter at the Guardian and went into hiding. The Guardian went through the documents meticulously before choosing which bits to publish, and removing anything that would be harmful to individuals and security - as they saw it in any case."
Ah yeah. That's quite different innit. Ok I'm back on the fence and retiring from this debate so as not to embarrass myself further. |
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"Many people in the US have been arguing that Snowden should get a Presidential Pardon from Obama upon his leaving office. There is a history of controversial pardons.
I was wondering what you all thought. Should his crime be forgiven? Were his actions more helpful than hurtful? If what the government was doing was in fact unconstitutional, should his bringing those actions to light be a crime in inself?
Apparently Bernie Sanders has now come out in his defense. I'm on the fence but lean towards a pardon. What do you think?
I'm on the fence a bit because I don't have all the facts.
From what I've heard, I'm not convinced he'd exhausted all the proper processes for dealing with the issues. We can't just have an anarchy where everyone with a difference of opinion feels justified to renegade on their security clearance obligations.
Until proven otherwise, I think he was someone that wanted to do something dramatic and took the law into his own hands rather than the boring route of fighting for change within the system.
So no pardon until some evidence contradicts what I've assumed here. .
What!! Your always going on about the state abusing it's power and then when a guy steps up and practically ruins his life to let people know about the state abusing their power.... You wanna jail him?.
Don't get me wrong I understand about anachronism with state secrets but not only has snowden put his life on the line, he's also held back all the really sensitive stuff.
The guys a class act! They should give him the purple heart as well for bravery and the silver star.... And free wine!
We as humans did not evolve in societies. Societies are a relatively new concept and tricky fuckers to get them to work and not break down to tribalism.
You have to accept that your personal opinion is not always going to triumph. Just like I think monogamy, GDP as a measure of productivity and degrees in music are stupid.
I haven't heard any good reason why he needed to put that stuff online. I haven't heard that he spent years trying to change the system but nobody would listen. I don't know why he needed to leak so many documents and why that had to go online rather than a newspaper just publish that "we have seen evidence that..."
It's all very well saying what a hero he is but he's a complete gift to terrorists too."
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No more of a gift than most news organisations |
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"Ah yeah. That's quite different innit. Ok I'm back on the fence and retiring from this debate so as not to embarrass myself further. "
Oh! Don't leave! You're one of only two people who even answered me. Without you the thread will just be me and the doors agreeing with eachoter  |
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"Ah yeah. That's quite different innit. Ok I'm back on the fence and retiring from this debate so as not to embarrass myself further.
Oh! Don't leave! You're one of only two people who even answered me. Without you the thread will just be me and the doors agreeing with eachoter "
Well we can't allow that now, can we!
Cards on the table then. He just sort of reminds me of those tossers disrupting airports because of BLM. So I don't like the premise that just because someone believes in something strongly, that they are justified to take the law into their own hands - because people don't half believe some stupid shit.
I also have a strong dislike for people that take short cuts in life. The hero is the guy (or girl) you never heard of who devoted 2 years of their life campaigning and lobbying MPs to change the wording of a paragraph on page 97 of a legal bill that ensures national acceptance of state limiting powers. I don't like people who want to have 15 'brave' minutes and then go on TV talking about what a struggle it was.
That said, he does sound a lot better than the Swedish bloke I was thinking of. |
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"Ah yeah. That's quite different innit. Ok I'm back on the fence and retiring from this debate so as not to embarrass myself further.
Oh! Don't leave! You're one of only two people who even answered me. Without you the thread will just be me and the doors agreeing with eachoter
Well we can't allow that now, can we!
Cards on the table then. He just sort of reminds me of those tossers disrupting airports because of BLM. So I don't like the premise that just because someone believes in something strongly, that they are justified to take the law into their own hands - because people don't half believe some stupid shit.
I also have a strong dislike for people that take short cuts in life. The hero is the guy (or girl) you never heard of who devoted 2 years of their life campaigning and lobbying MPs to change the wording of a paragraph on page 97 of a legal bill that ensures national acceptance of state limiting powers. I don't like people who want to have 15 'brave' minutes and then go on TV talking about what a struggle it was.
That said, he does sound a lot better than the Swedish bloke I was thinking of. "
Have a read up on him then, his motivation, his method of releasing files, the content of the files, why he allowed his name to be published, why the US cancelled his passport. |
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"Ah yeah. That's quite different innit. Ok I'm back on the fence and retiring from this debate so as not to embarrass myself further.
Oh! Don't leave! You're one of only two people who even answered me. Without you the thread will just be me and the doors agreeing with eachoter "
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I don't agree with you just coz you look good in a bikini.... Your actually smart as well.. And that's annoying, nobody likes a fit clever fucker....I should know |
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"Ah yeah. That's quite different innit. Ok I'm back on the fence and retiring from this debate so as not to embarrass myself further.
Oh! Don't leave! You're one of only two people who even answered me. Without you the thread will just be me and the doors agreeing with eachoter .
I don't agree with you just coz you look good in a bikini.... Your actually smart as well.. And that's annoying, nobody likes a fit clever fucker....I should know "
She's even got a nice personality too. Boils my piss I tell thee. |
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I reckon Obama should hold off if Hilary is elected but appoint the bugger as a Federal Judge with total immunity from prosecution if The Donald gets in |
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"To be fair for a long time I thought his avatar was him in bikini which is why I humour him so!!.
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This made me laugh so hard I spit my coffee out. The image will stay with me in my head.... |
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"P.s. just popping in from The Lounge to see if you lot have eaten each other yet "
You're not one of the usual 5 posters in the politics forum. Kindly remove yourself from my thread unless you have something insulting to say  |
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"P.s. just popping in from The Lounge to see if you lot have eaten each other yet
You're not one of the usual 5 posters in the politics forum. Kindly remove yourself from my thread unless you have something insulting to say "
Yeah you're not in the clique  |
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Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet |
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet "
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet "
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We'll take a good arse on tick!
But remember your first five posts define you to the clique... That's me and him basically, it's a small clique but we're looking to expand |
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet
Don't forget to get your brier score "
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Will you shut up with that brier score malarkey, your putting the fit birds off coming in here!!
Honestly this is what you get when your right wing... |
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet
Don't forget to get your brier score .
Will you shut up with that brier score malarkey, your putting the fit birds off coming in here!!
Honestly this is what you get when your right wing..."
Bullshit, nothing gets knickers dropping quicker than a 0.0 brier score. |
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet
Don't forget to get your brier score .
Will you shut up with that brier score malarkey, your putting the fit birds off coming in here!!
Honestly this is what you get when your right wing...
Bullshit, nothing gets knickers dropping quicker than a 0.0 brier score. "
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet
Don't forget to get your brier score .
Will you shut up with that brier score malarkey, your putting the fit birds off coming in here!!
Honestly this is what you get when your right wing...
Bullshit, nothing gets knickers dropping quicker than a 0.0 brier score. "
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Only your knickers.... That's exactly my point 
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"Pffft...we were one of the original politics forum posters but were just taken a break for the referendum gloating to die down.
Not much sign of that yet
Don't forget to get your brier score .
Will you shut up with that brier score malarkey, your putting the fit birds off coming in here!!
Honestly this is what you get when your right wing...
Bullshit, nothing gets knickers dropping quicker than a 0.0 brier score.
I'm going to swoon "
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Don't encourage him!.... He'll get his spread sheet out!.
To be fair if we put his technical know how next to my life experience we'd make a great pissed up economist  |
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