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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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So, Juncker has now proposed the creation of a European defence fund (or in other words a European army?).
I wonder how much that would have cost us?
The man and his mates will never learn  |
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over a year ago
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"and if a EU "army" it will be interesting to see how Germany fits in to this along with the restrictions Germany has"
Do they still have restrictions, I know they used to but not entirely sure now.. |
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"and if a EU "army" it will be interesting to see how Germany fits in to this along with the restrictions Germany has"
they will be armed with large sausages
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"and if a EU "army" it will be interesting to see how Germany fits in to this along with the restrictions Germany has
they will be armed with large sausages
(cue xenophobia claims )"
RACIST!!!!!!!!!
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By (user no longer on site)
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I commented on Juncker's 'State of the Union' speech in 'Brexit Britain' Thread.
The fact they have such a speech says more about the political project than anything else. They really do think its a United State of Europe and have done for years. Its why they pull power away from Sovereign Governments to the unelected mob in Brussels.
read what Juncker also says about the Uk and Freedom of Movement or we don't get access to the Single market. The man is deluded and seems to forget the WTO has rules on that stuff.
And then we finally get proof of what us Brexiters have been saying for years and been called liars by the Remoaners for doing so: They will have a European Army. If it wasn't so tragic it would be an interesting concept of people being asked to die for a non existent country and people commanded to do so by people they do not know or respect or voted for.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"and how will it fit in with the UN
How would it potentially conflict with the UN? "
I don't know; but suspect their could be a clash or representation between an EU army and UN peacekeeping force, especially when it comes to UK & USA being outside of EU (after article 50) |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"and how will it fit in with the UN
How would it potentially conflict with the UN?
I don't know; but suspect their could be a clash or representation between an EU army and UN peacekeeping force, especially when it comes to UK & USA being outside of EU (after article 50)"
I'm not trying to be difficult but I can't see how it's any different to all the national armies that already exist. The UN doesn't actually have any troops itself. It just pays other people's troops to 'fight' for it. Thats if you define 'fight' as raping the local population and running away bravely when fired upon. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and how will it fit in with the UN
How would it potentially conflict with the UN?
I don't know; but suspect their could be a clash or representation between an EU army and UN peacekeeping force, especially when it comes to UK & USA being outside of EU (after article 50)"
Juncker said they would work alongside NATO. Whatever that means |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and how will it fit in with the UN
How would it potentially conflict with the UN?
I don't know; but suspect their could be a clash or representation between an EU army and UN peacekeeping force, especially when it comes to UK & USA being outside of EU (after article 50)
I'm not trying to be difficult but I can't see how it's any different to all the national armies that already exist. The UN doesn't actually have any troops itself. It just pays other people's troops to 'fight' for it. Thats if you define 'fight' as raping the local population and running away bravely when fired upon. "
Where do I sign up? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"and how will it fit in with the UN
How would it potentially conflict with the UN?
I don't know; but suspect their could be a clash or representation between an EU army and UN peacekeeping force, especially when it comes to UK & USA being outside of EU (after article 50)
I'm not trying to be difficult but I can't see how it's any different to all the national armies that already exist. The UN doesn't actually have any troops itself. It just pays other people's troops to 'fight' for it. Thats if you define 'fight' as raping the local population and running away bravely when fired upon.
Where do I sign up? "
Why, do you want to take a pay cut? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"and how will it fit in with the UN
How would it potentially conflict with the UN?
I don't know; but suspect their could be a clash or representation between an EU army and UN peacekeeping force, especially when it comes to UK & USA being outside of EU (after article 50)
I'm not trying to be difficult but I can't see how it's any different to all the national armies that already exist. The UN doesn't actually have any troops itself. It just pays other people's troops to 'fight' for it. Thats if you define 'fight' as raping the local population and running away bravely when fired upon.
Where do I sign up?
Why, do you want to take a pay cut? "
I can squeeze in a bit of part time rape and pilage |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So, Juncker has now proposed the creation of a European defence fund (or in other words a European army?).
I wonder how much that would have cost us?
The man and his mates will never learn "
It wouldn't have cost us a penny, because we could have vetoed it. But now we are out, it's their party and they can create whatever they want. |
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"So, Juncker has now proposed the creation of a European defence fund (or in other words a European army?).
I wonder how much that would have cost us?
The man and his mates will never learn
It wouldn't have cost us a penny, because we could have vetoed it. But now we are out, it's their party and they can create whatever they want. "
As you are so fond of telling us we are not out yet do try to keep up.  |
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Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
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They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell |
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"I commented on Juncker's 'State of the Union' speech in 'Brexit Britain' Thread.
The fact they have such a speech says more about the political project than anything else. They really do think its a United State of Europe and have done for years. Its why they pull power away from Sovereign Governments to the unelected mob in Brussels.
read what Juncker also says about the Uk and Freedom of Movement or we don't get access to the Single market. The man is deluded and seems to forget the WTO has rules on that stuff.
And then we finally get proof of what us Brexiters have been saying for years and been called liars by the Remoaners for doing so: They will have a European Army. If it wasn't so tragic it would be an interesting concept of people being asked to die for a non existent country and people commanded to do so by people they do not know or respect or voted for...."
I agree fully that Juncker is deluded, it seems the arrogant Eurocrats in Brussels have not learned a single thing from Britain's decision to leave. Still pressing on with ever closer political union and now this EU army nonsense, it will just turn more people in EU member states against the EU and Juncker and Co seem to be in complete denial about the growing Euroskeptic movement on the European continent. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
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What do you mean by a Euro Army? Would a Spaniard be sitting in a tank next to an Irishman, a Romania and an Italian? This was the kind of hysteria that was being talked about before Brexit whereas Junker is talking about cooperation between national armies, you know, like we have had for centuries. |
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell "
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is. "
Exposing what? An idea in the head of an idiot (Juncker). It has absolutely no feasibility whatsoever. Juncker is from a country that most people wouldn't know existed if it weren't for football fixtures. He has no idea how high politics works and isn't even a player in it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
What do you mean by a Euro Army? Would a Spaniard be sitting in a tank next to an Irishman, a Romania and an Italian? This was the kind of hysteria that was being talked about before Brexit whereas Junker is talking about cooperation between national armies, you know, like we have had for centuries."
Sometimes you really surprise me. You talk even more stupidity than I thought you could.
Listen up and take notes:
Yes we already have interoperability with most major nations like Germany, the USA and France but command is by the individual countries on an operation by operation basis. Training together to work better together and mutually improve is NOT the same as handing over command of 3 Para to Mr Bloody Juncker!!
The EU has had a plan for CONTROL of member states forces for years. Its just they couldn't reveal them because the UK would say quite rightly 'Yeah Right sod off!'. Now we have voted to leave out pops the plan.
No it will not mean a setup as you so childishly (and deliberately) lay out. It will mean Divisions of Member States own forces operating under the command and control structure of the EU. The EU will not pay for those Forces because it wants the power but not the costs.
Germany will never agree given their Constitutional arrangements and given they are now the biggest contributor to the EU by miles it won't take much for them to say 'Shove the EU up yer arse!'. Especially if Mr Guy Verhofstadt the EU Brexit negotiator plays silly beggars with the UK and hits us with Tariffs and blocks us from the Single Market as he has indicated which we will then slap back on them saying bye bye German cars.
Here is a Brier Score bit of fun: The EU will keep its communal head up its political arse and within 5 years all of the major contributing States will have triggered Article 50. That is Germany, France and Holland. |
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is.
Exposing what? An idea in the head of an idiot (Juncker). It has absolutely no feasibility whatsoever. Juncker is from a country that most people wouldn't know existed if it weren't for football fixtures. He has no idea how high politics works and isn't even a player in it. "
Juncker is exactly as you describe but sadly you are wrong in one respect. He DOES play on the big stage with the big boys thanks to the EU. There are 4 others who people will never have heard of as well ... |
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is.
Exposing what? An idea in the head of an idiot (Juncker). It has absolutely no feasibility whatsoever. Juncker is from a country that most people wouldn't know existed if it weren't for football fixtures. He has no idea how high politics works and isn't even a player in it.
Juncker is exactly as you describe but sadly you are wrong in one respect. He DOES play on the big stage with the big boys thanks to the EU. There are 4 others who people will never have heard of as well ..."
Oh no he doesn't. High politics is matters vital to the survival of states (e.g war) and low politics is about the other shit like economics and society. Give me some examples where the EU has ever made the blindest bit of difference in high politics?
Iraq and Afghanistan - nope
Nuclear nonproliferation - nope
Kosovo - nope
Falkland Islands - nope
Need I go on?
There's the US, China and Russia as states that matter. NATO matters, the UN is a distant 5th sat in the hall with the other states that have nuclear weapons and everyone else is sat in another building waiting to be told what will happen to it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is.
Exposing what? An idea in the head of an idiot (Juncker). It has absolutely no feasibility whatsoever. Juncker is from a country that most people wouldn't know existed if it weren't for football fixtures. He has no idea how high politics works and isn't even a player in it.
Juncker is exactly as you describe but sadly you are wrong in one respect. He DOES play on the big stage with the big boys thanks to the EU. There are 4 others who people will never have heard of as well ...
Oh no he doesn't. High politics is matters vital to the survival of states (e.g war) and low politics is about the other shit like economics and society. Give me some examples where the EU has ever made the blindest bit of difference in high politics?
Iraq and Afghanistan - nope
Nuclear nonproliferation - nope
Kosovo - nope
Falkland Islands - nope
Need I go on?
There's the US, China and Russia as states that matter. NATO matters, the UN is a distant 5th sat in the hall with the other states that have nuclear weapons and everyone else is sat in another building waiting to be told what will happen to it. "
Excellent points and yes the EU is actually an irrelevance as I was trying to say but I was mainly thinking of how they sit at the WTO and the G20 'with the big boys'. |
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is.
Exposing what? An idea in the head of an idiot (Juncker). It has absolutely no feasibility whatsoever. Juncker is from a country that most people wouldn't know existed if it weren't for football fixtures. He has no idea how high politics works and isn't even a player in it.
Juncker is exactly as you describe but sadly you are wrong in one respect. He DOES play on the big stage with the big boys thanks to the EU. There are 4 others who people will never have heard of as well ...
Oh no he doesn't. High politics is matters vital to the survival of states (e.g war) and low politics is about the other shit like economics and society. Give me some examples where the EU has ever made the blindest bit of difference in high politics?
Iraq and Afghanistan - nope
Nuclear nonproliferation - nope
Kosovo - nope
Falkland Islands - nope
Need I go on?
There's the US, China and Russia as states that matter. NATO matters, the UN is a distant 5th sat in the hall with the other states that have nuclear weapons and everyone else is sat in another building waiting to be told what will happen to it.
Excellent points and yes the EU is actually an irrelevance as I was trying to say but I was mainly thinking of how they sit at the WTO and the G20 'with the big boys'."
Fair enough, G20 is an oxymoron to me. There are only 15 countries in the world that even have an economy over $1 trillion. So the idea that there are even 20 countries that really matter strikes me as odd. Well maybe in low politics, they can, but in the arena of high politics very little has changed since WW2 ended. |
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As a proxy measure, we travel to China a fair bit and I like to judge the importance of things but the questions I get asked about the west.
So I've been asked about American foreign policy, NATO, North Korean nukes, even the UK benefits system.
I can honestly say that nobody in China has even asked me anything about the EU until we decided to leave it and that lasted about a week. |
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By *obka3Couple
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Oh no he doesn't. High politics is matters vital to the survival of states (e.g war) and low politics is about the other shit like economics and society. Give me some examples where the EU has ever made the blindest bit of difference in high politics?
Iraq and Afghanistan - nope
Nuclear nonproliferation - nope
Kosovo - nope
Falkland Islands - nope
Need I go on?
There's the US, China and Russia as states that matter. NATO matters, the UN is a distant 5th sat in the hall with the other states that have nuclear weapons and everyone else is sat in another building waiting to be told what will happen to it. "
Perhaps thats what he wants, control over france's nukes so he can play on the big stage |
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Oh no he doesn't. High politics is matters vital to the survival of states (e.g war) and low politics is about the other shit like economics and society. Give me some examples where the EU has ever made the blindest bit of difference in high politics?
Iraq and Afghanistan - nope
Nuclear nonproliferation - nope
Kosovo - nope
Falkland Islands - nope
Need I go on?
There's the US, China and Russia as states that matter. NATO matters, the UN is a distant 5th sat in the hall with the other states that have nuclear weapons and everyone else is sat in another building waiting to be told what will happen to it.
Perhaps thats what he wants, control over france's nukes so he can play on the big stage "
Exactly my thoughts, it's a pipe dream to increase his personal power, rather than a legitimate project based on logic. Not really newsworthy in my humble opinion. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
What do you mean by a Euro Army? Would a Spaniard be sitting in a tank next to an Irishman, a Romania and an Italian? This was the kind of hysteria that was being talked about before Brexit whereas Junker is talking about cooperation between national armies, you know, like we have had for centuries.
Sometimes you really surprise me. You talk even more stupidity than I thought you could.
Listen up and take notes:
Yes we already have interoperability with most major nations like Germany, the USA and France but command is by the individual countries on an operation by operation basis. Training together to work better together and mutually improve is NOT the same as handing over command of 3 Para to Mr Bloody Juncker!!
The EU has had a plan for CONTROL of member states forces for years. Its just they couldn't reveal them because the UK would say quite rightly 'Yeah Right sod off!'. Now we have voted to leave out pops the plan.
No it will not mean a setup as you so childishly (and deliberately) lay out. It will mean Divisions of Member States own forces operating under the command and control structure of the EU. The EU will not pay for those Forces because it wants the power but not the costs.
Germany will never agree given their Constitutional arrangements and given they are now the biggest contributor to the EU by miles it won't take much for them to say 'Shove the EU up yer arse!'. Especially if Mr Guy Verhofstadt the EU Brexit negotiator plays silly beggars with the UK and hits us with Tariffs and blocks us from the Single Market as he has indicated which we will then slap back on them saying bye bye German cars.
Here is a Brier Score bit of fun: The EU will keep its communal head up its political arse and within 5 years all of the major contributing States will have triggered Article 50. That is Germany, France and Holland. "
Well I was asking because to some people, that's what an EU army means, some people think its the end of national militaries, and instead of joining the British Army, or the Royal Navy, you would join the Euro Army or the Euro Navy and be sent off to Spain or Belgium to do your basic training in a foreign language and the guy to the left of you and the guy to the right of you would be from different EU countries. I never said that I thought thats what it would be like. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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To those of you who think the EU and it's predecessors haven't made a blind bit of difference, don't you think the fact the countries who were at war which each other for centuries coming together and binding their economies so closely as to make war impossible was quiet a useful thing? |
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"To those of you who think the EU and it's predecessors haven't made a blind bit of difference, don't you think the fact the countries who were at war which each other for centuries coming together and binding their economies so closely as to make war impossible was quiet a useful thing? "
It may have been a good idea back in the 1960's but the world has moved on a fair old bit since then. If the EU had stayed as a simple free trade agreement (which is what we joined and signed upto) then it could have been a good thing. However as soon as it went down this ever closer political union route that is where it all went wrong, centralisation of power in Brussels, taking sovereignty away from countries, making laws for other countries, imposing immigration policy on other countries, the doomed single currency and now this EU army nonsense. It's actually the EU now which is ramping up tension between countries in Europe, with it's misguided policies on migration (Shengen and free movement of people) and it is also destabilising and causing conflict in other countries on its borders with its expansionist agenda (Ukraine/Russia conflict). Even worse is that the EU elites in Brussels and the likes of Juncker can't seem to acknowledge it is happening and they seem oblivious to it, refuse to reform the EU in any real or meaningful way to change the direction it is heading in (and the current direction will lead to the collapse of the EU altogether). |
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"To those of you who think the EU and it's predecessors haven't made a blind bit of difference, don't you think the fact the countries who were at war which each other for centuries coming together and binding their economies so closely as to make war impossible was quiet a useful thing? "
Ah that old chestnut. Write this phrase down and read it daily "i will not confuse correlation with causation".
1. There's no consensus that interdependence leads to more peace anyway. It's just intuitive logic not based on facts.
2. The degree of european interdependence was increasing long before the EU and even before WW2, but clearly did not stop it.
3. There's significantly more evidence that 2 democracies are very unlikely to fight each other. They'll happily fight a non-democracy but that's outside the point. German democracy got hijacked by a teetotal, militant vegan before WW2. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"To those of you who think the EU and it's predecessors haven't made a blind bit of difference, don't you think the fact the countries who were at war which each other for centuries coming together and binding their economies so closely as to make war impossible was quiet a useful thing?
Ah that old chestnut. Write this phrase down and read it daily "i will not confuse correlation with causation".
1. There's no consensus that interdependence leads to more peace anyway. It's just intuitive logic not based on facts.
2. The degree of european interdependence was increasing long before the EU and even before WW2, but clearly did not stop it.
3. There's significantly more evidence that 2 democracies are very unlikely to fight each other. They'll happily fight a non-democracy but that's outside the point. German democracy got hijacked by a teetotal, militant vegan before WW2. "
a teetotal, militant vegan left wing socialist  |
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"Many Remainers said during the referendum campaign that talk of an EU defence force or army or whatever you want to call it was nonsense and it would never happen. Just goes to show how much they know, only a couple of months after the referendum and Juncker is starting to reveal the EU plans on this.
They've had plans for donkeys years. There already is a European defence agency. I'll add "will the EU get a big fuck off army?"
to the next brier score round because there's no chance, no chance in hell
Well Nigel Farage has been talking about this and exposing this for years. When he appeared on the live televised head to head debates against Nick Clegg a few years ago around the time of the European MEP elections Farage talked about the EU plans for an EU army then and Nick Clegg made Farage out to be some sort of crackpot for even suggesting it. Now Farage is being vindicated and Clegg is being exposed for the lying little weasel that he is.
Exposing what? An idea in the head of an idiot (Juncker). It has absolutely no feasibility whatsoever. Juncker is from a country that most people wouldn't know existed if it weren't for football fixtures. He has no idea how high politics works and isn't even a player in it.
Juncker is exactly as you describe but sadly you are wrong in one respect. He DOES play on the big stage with the big boys thanks to the EU. There are 4 others who people will never have heard of as well ...
Oh no he doesn't. High politics is matters vital to the survival of states (e.g war) and low politics is about the other shit like economics and society. Give me some examples where the EU has ever made the blindest bit of difference in high politics?
Iraq and Afghanistan - nope
Nuclear nonproliferation - nope
Kosovo - nope
Falkland Islands - nope
Need I go on?
There's the US, China and Russia as states that matter. NATO matters, the UN is a distant 5th sat in the hall with the other states that have nuclear weapons and everyone else is sat in another building waiting to be told what will happen to it.
Excellent points and yes the EU is actually an irrelevance as I was trying to say but I was mainly thinking of how they sit at the WTO and the G20 'with the big boys'."
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like. "
perhaps because as of yet no one knows, and again I would still love to hear what roll Germany will play in this
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
I didn't feel the need to comment on it as I thought Horny As summed it up pretty well in his post. "
So you agree that Germany wont agree to it, and as they would have a veto it will never happen? Not really something worth talking about then is it? |
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over a year ago
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries? "
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other. |
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I didn't feel the need to comment on it as I thought Horny As summed it up pretty well in his post.
So you agree that Germany wont agree to it, and as they would have a veto it will never happen? Not really something worth talking about then is it? "
The closet alcoholic EU President Mr Juncker seems pretty sure it will happen. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
I didn't feel the need to comment on it as I thought Horny As summed it up pretty well in his post.
So you agree that Germany wont agree to it, and as they would have a veto it will never happen? Not really something worth talking about then is it?
The closet alcoholic EU President Mr Juncker seems pretty sure it will happen. "
Well I'm always kept wide awake at night by the ramblings of an alcoholic!! |
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How can anyone know what it will look like if it does,nt exist. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
How can anyone know what it will look like if it does,nt exist. "
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
I didn't feel the need to comment on it as I thought Horny As summed it up pretty well in his post.
So you agree that Germany wont agree to it, and as they would have a veto it will never happen? Not really something worth talking about then is it?
The closet alcoholic EU President Mr Juncker seems pretty sure it will happen.
Well I'm always kept wide awake at night by the ramblings of an alcoholic!! "
Juncker is just one of 5 EU presidents (can you name the other 4?) And I'm guessing the other 4 more sober presidents will be in full agreement with Juncker otherwise he would not have said what he did about an EU army in his state of the union speech the other day. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
I didn't feel the need to comment on it as I thought Horny As summed it up pretty well in his post.
So you agree that Germany wont agree to it, and as they would have a veto it will never happen? Not really something worth talking about then is it?
The closet alcoholic EU President Mr Juncker seems pretty sure it will happen.
Well I'm always kept wide awake at night by the ramblings of an alcoholic!!
Juncker is just one of 5 EU presidents (can you name the other 4?) And I'm guessing the other 4 more sober presidents will be in full agreement with Juncker otherwise he would not have said what he did about an EU army in his state of the union speech the other day. "
No and I can't name all the homeless people in Reading that talk shit either. He has zero authority to create this, the idea is as laughable as it is unfeasible. I've already explained what a nobody this guy is in high politics. |
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How can anyone know what it will look like if it does,nt exist.
I think I could draw a pretty accurate drawing of my next turd before it comes out... "
Yes but you have already one turd. |
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How can anyone know what it will look like if it does,nt exist.
I think I could draw a pretty accurate drawing of my next turd before it comes out...
Yes but you have already one turd. "
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
I didn't feel the need to comment on it as I thought Horny As summed it up pretty well in his post.
So you agree that Germany wont agree to it, and as they would have a veto it will never happen? Not really something worth talking about then is it?
The closet alcoholic EU President Mr Juncker seems pretty sure it will happen. "
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What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other. "
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries? "
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries? |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries? "
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here  carry on it is comedy |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy "
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then? |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then? "
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
Again "
Sorry I don't understand you, or why you are trying to pretend that Europe hadnt been a continent at war for centuries before the ECSC and the subsequent organisations including the EU. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then? "
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?" |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?""
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century? |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?"
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How can anyone think that the EU should carry on any longer?
An EU defence fund? Where do these people think these 'funds' come from?
Your Spanish builder gets in from work and says to his 2 unemployed kids 'you know what? What we need now is for more of my taxes to go towards a defence project dreamed up by some wonderful people in Brussels who know what we need in our lives and what is best for us. Now what's for dinner, Pan Catalan again or patatas?'
NOT!
Shit like this can only be dreamed up by shithead egomaniacs d*unk on power and position with no concept of peoples needs and problems and whose only 'talents' involve spending and wasting other peoples money.
The end of the EU can't come soon enough and I would wager it won't even exist within the next 3 years, all being well |
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"How can anyone think that the EU should carry on any longer?
An EU defence fund? Where do these people think these 'funds' come from?
Your Spanish builder gets in from work and says to his 2 unemployed kids 'you know what? What we need now is for more of my taxes to go towards a defence project dreamed up by some wonderful people in Brussels who know what we need in our lives and what is best for us. Now what's for dinner, Pan Catalan again or patatas?'
NOT!
Shit like this can only be dreamed up by shithead egomaniacs d*unk on power and position with no concept of peoples needs and problems and whose only 'talents' involve spending and wasting other peoples money.
The end of the EU can't come soon enough and I would wager it won't even exist within the next 3 years, all being well"
It's got more than 3 years but yeah it's a dead man walking now. I give it 8-15 years. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War "
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were. |
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"How can anyone think that the EU should carry on any longer?
An EU defence fund? Where do these people think these 'funds' come from?
Your Spanish builder gets in from work and says to his 2 unemployed kids 'you know what? What we need now is for more of my taxes to go towards a defence project dreamed up by some wonderful people in Brussels who know what we need in our lives and what is best for us. Now what's for dinner, Pan Catalan again or patatas?'
NOT!
Shit like this can only be dreamed up by shithead egomaniacs d*unk on power and position with no concept of peoples needs and problems and whose only 'talents' involve spending and wasting other peoples money.
The end of the EU can't come soon enough and I would wager it won't even exist within the next 3 years, all being well
It's got more than 3 years but yeah it's a dead man walking now. I give it 8-15 years. "
ye but I'm an optimist
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What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were."
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years. |
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What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were."
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years."
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away. "
Yes but they did,nt last a HUNDRED years nobody wants war and if think that the UK leaving the EU is going to start a war you really do need to get a grip. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away. "
Only it didn't stop did it. You seem to have forgotten about the war in Kosovo/Serbia in the 1990's, a war in Europe while the EU was in existence. Then when the EU did get involved there they ballsed it up and Nato and the UN had to come in and clear up the mess. Then there was the Ukraine/Russia conflict which the EU had a hand in starting. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away.
Only it didn't stop did it. You seem to have forgotten about the war in Kosovo/Serbia in the 1990's, a war in Europe while the EU was in existence. Then when the EU did get involved there they ballsed it up and Nato and the UN had to come in and clear up the mess. Then there was the Ukraine/Russia conflict which the EU had a hand in starting. "
So you've just listed 4 countries who were not members who were using war to solve their problems. Please can you list all of the EU member states that have gone to war with other member states? |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away.
Only it didn't stop did it. You seem to have forgotten about the war in Kosovo/Serbia in the 1990's, a war in Europe while the EU was in existence. Then when the EU did get involved there they ballsed it up and Nato and the UN had to come in and clear up the mess. Then there was the Ukraine/Russia conflict which the EU had a hand in starting.
So you've just listed 4 countries who were not members who were using war to solve their problems. Please can you list all of the EU member states that have gone to war with other member states? "
Moving the goal posts again, seems to be a recurring habit of yours when someone proves you wrong. You said that the EU had stopped war in Europe, and it clearly hasn't from the examples I gave. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away.
Only it didn't stop did it. You seem to have forgotten about the war in Kosovo/Serbia in the 1990's, a war in Europe while the EU was in existence. Then when the EU did get involved there they ballsed it up and Nato and the UN had to come in and clear up the mess. Then there was the Ukraine/Russia conflict which the EU had a hand in starting.
So you've just listed 4 countries who were not members who were using war to solve their problems. Please can you list all of the EU member states that have gone to war with other member states?
Moving the goal posts again, seems to be a recurring habit of yours when someone proves you wrong. You said that the EU had stopped war in Europe, and it clearly hasn't from the examples I gave. "
I haven't moved the goal posts at all. I said about joining their economies together so as to make war impossible. That is clearly talking about member states of the EU and it's predecessors. You want to unpick those tied economies, which is a backward step, and a step away from peace. |
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away.
Only it didn't stop did it. You seem to have forgotten about the war in Kosovo/Serbia in the 1990's, a war in Europe while the EU was in existence. Then when the EU did get involved there they ballsed it up and Nato and the UN had to come in and clear up the mess. Then there was the Ukraine/Russia conflict which the EU had a hand in starting.
So you've just listed 4 countries who were not members who were using war to solve their problems. Please can you list all of the EU member states that have gone to war with other member states?
Moving the goal posts again, seems to be a recurring habit of yours when someone proves you wrong. You said that the EU had stopped war in Europe, and it clearly hasn't from the examples I gave.
I haven't moved the goal posts at all. I said about joining their economies together so as to make war impossible. That is clearly talking about member states of the EU and it's predecessors. You want to unpick those tied economies, which is a backward step, and a step away from peace."
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"So it seems as though no one (apart from Horny As) is able to describe exactly what a European army, that they are so afraid of, would actually look like.
What do you think it will look like? And what European countries where at war with each other for centuries?
I don't think that there will ever be such a thing as a "Euro Army".
Its not my job to teach you about the wars of Europe, I suggest you read a history book if you want to find out which countries have been at war with each other.
But it is my job. I will ask again which European countries have been at war for centuries?
Are you trying to say that there has been peace between the major European countries for centuries? No wars? For centuries?
Nothing of the kind where did I say that There you go playing with words again. Same as you played with the paragraph of dribble about European countries being at war for centuries with each other pre EU. You talk utter nonsense on an daily basis on here carry on it is comedy
So you admit that there have been wars between the major countries of Europe for centuries then?
You need to read the post again it says," Which European countries have been at war for centuries?"
Lets just take the UK and/or England then. Were we at war with another European country in the 20th Century? The 19th Century? The 18th Century? The 17th Century?
But not for a century only one war was called The Hundred Years War
If you don't know that there were wars between the countries of Europe for centuries before the ECSC and its successor organisations then you really are a lot more ignorant than I thought you were.
There have always been wars between European countries but none that lasted centuries. The question was "Which European countries have been at war for centuries" meaning not for 4 years like world one or 6 tears like WW2 but for over a hundred years.
That is the whole point! There were wars between the countries, and that stopped! That's not something that I was willing to throw away, but sadly, it was something you were willing to throw away.
Only it didn't stop did it. You seem to have forgotten about the war in Kosovo/Serbia in the 1990's, a war in Europe while the EU was in existence. Then when the EU did get involved there they ballsed it up and Nato and the UN had to come in and clear up the mess. Then there was the Ukraine/Russia conflict which the EU had a hand in starting.
So you've just listed 4 countries who were not members who were using war to solve their problems. Please can you list all of the EU member states that have gone to war with other member states?
Moving the goal posts again, seems to be a recurring habit of yours when someone proves you wrong. You said that the EU had stopped war in Europe, and it clearly hasn't from the examples I gave.
I haven't moved the goal posts at all. I said about joining their economies together so as to make war impossible. That is clearly talking about member states of the EU and it's predecessors. You want to unpick those tied economies, which is a backward step, and a step away from peace."
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Time will tell who is right mean time we will all have to wait and see what happens. "
And if there was going to be a war as a result of Brexit, would you want to stay in the EU to avoid it? [a purely hypothetical scenario] |
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Time will tell who is right mean time we will all have to wait and see what happens.
And if there was going to be a war as a result of Brexit, would you want to stay in the EU to avoid it? [a purely hypothetical scenario]"
If my aunt had bollucks, would she be my uncle? |
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By *obka3Couple
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Time will tell who is right mean time we will all have to wait and see what happens.
And if there was going to be a war as a result of Brexit, would you want to stay in the EU to avoid it? [a purely hypothetical scenario]"
Far more likely to be civil unrest in europe because of the eu,IE already has been in greece because of the euro |
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Time will tell who is right mean time we will all have to wait and see what happens.
And if there was going to be a war as a result of Brexit, would you want to stay in the EU to avoid it? [a purely hypothetical scenario]"
I,m going to treat that post with the contempt it deceive, |
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"It wont happen the EU is going bankrupt"
The deluded EU elites were meeting today to discuss Brexit. Did you see what looked like a hungover Jean Claude Juncker spouting crap on the news? They went for a lunch time cruise on the river Danube, the moronic Europhiles couldn't even get that right and they had to cut the trip short because of low water levels? Lol. |
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