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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months." |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months.""
OK I will bite..
I haven't a clue but whoever said it was correct. Theresa May has done exactly that. Oh wait sorry. She didn't wait until today ....  |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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David Davis is a the Conservative Party politician who has been the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since 13 July 2016. On the day after hios appointment he made the ststement announcing that the UK would announce a raft of international trade deals on Friday September 9th (today).
Remember folks - this is the guy who is in charge of Brexit. No clue. |
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"David Davis is a the Conservative Party politician who has been the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since 13 July 2016. On the day after hios appointment he made the ststement announcing that the UK would announce a raft of international trade deals on Friday September 9th (today).
Remember folks - this is the guy who is in charge of Brexit. No clue."
What a complete and utter load of old bollocks! OK so do please give us the source for this?
Oh and the statement you quoted in your OP was that the PM would announce a raft of negotiations today. Not signed deals as you are now saying. And given we cannot sign deals until we leave the EU and the PM (and Davies) have said we will not trigger Article 50 until the New Year I think you need to a) go check your facts and b) delete your Thread ... |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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If you are trying to suggest that David Davis DIDN'T say what I quoted in the OP - then I can assure you that it is easily verified by a quick Google search.
He was told at the time exactly what you have just said - it would be impossible to commit to such a statement until there was clarity with the UK/EU trade position.
This is just the guy the country needs to be heading up BREXIT - Clueless! |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"David Davis is a the Conservative Party politician who has been the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since 13 July 2016. On the day after hios appointment he made the ststement announcing that the UK would announce a raft of international trade deals on Friday September 9th (today).
Remember folks - this is the guy who is in charge of Brexit. No clue.
And your lack of honesty is compounded when you should have also added his next paragraph. Allow me:
"So within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. Trade deals with the US and China alone will give us a trade area almost twice the size of the EU, and of course we will also be seeking deals with Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, the UAE, Indonesia – and many others."
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/david-davis-trade-deals-tax-cuts-and-taking-time-before-triggering-article-50-a-brexit-economic-strategy-for-britain.html
NOWHERE doe he say trade deals would be done and signed by today.
Does he?  "
Why are you getting so defensive??
Anyone would think you were his secret gay lover or something.
He is a prize idiot and not fitr for the position he holds and he just does not know when to stop talking. That makes him a liability. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If you are trying to suggest that David Davis DIDN'T say what I quoted in the OP - then I can assure you that it is easily verified by a quick Google search.
He was told at the time exactly what you have just said - it would be impossible to commit to such a statement until there was clarity with the UK/EU trade position.
This is just the guy the country needs to be heading up BREXIT - Clueless!"
I don't need a Google search. I know where it came from and have provided the source myself. And others can judge your dishonesty for themselves by reading it. You quoted a paragraph which doesn't mention signed trade deals just negotiations. And then you change the wording. Sadly for you his next paragraph kills your statement...
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Why are you getting so defensive??
Anyone would think you were his secret gay lover or something.
He is a prize idiot and not fitr for the position he holds and he just does not know when to stop talking. That makes him a liability."
I have no need to be defensive at all. I just hate people like you who make a statement and the change it just to fabricate an attack on someone. Sadly for you your game has been rumbled by the facts.
I now take it your dishonesty is matched by your homophobic tendencies. It is very sad that anyone, let alone someone on a Swinging site, thinks calling someone a 'Gay lover' is an insult. So what if I was Gay? Your point is exactly?
And once again a Remoaner resorts to personal insults when their stupidity has been found out .... f**king pathetic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" Why are you getting so defensive??
Anyone would think you were his secret gay lover or something.
He is a prize idiot and not fitr for the position he holds and he just does not know when to stop talking. That makes him a liability.
I have no need to be defensive at all. I just hate people like you who make a statement and the change it just to fabricate an attack on someone. Sadly for you your game has been rumbled by the facts.
I now take it your dishonesty is matched by your homophobic tendencies. It is very sad that anyone, let alone someone on a Swinging site, thinks calling someone a 'Gay lover' is an insult. So what if I was Gay? Your point is exactly?
And once again a Remoaner resorts to personal insults when their stupidity has been found out .... f**king pathetic. "
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months.""
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x"
Oh really. Who with? I must have missed it on the news. |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Oh really. Who with? I must have missed it on the news."
Nah you didn't 'miss it' you aren't looking because your blinkered views about Brexit can only see negativity and doom and gloom and when you don't find it you invent it like you have here. Pathetic!
I guess the Australian deal where they set up a working group to promote and create a global Free Trade idea? Or the fact they have started talks in London about a new deal to be signed after we leave the EU?
Or China making a direct request to the PM for talks on a new deal.
or the Indian PM meeting our PM and wanting a new free trade deal?
And New Zealand was way ahead of everyone else.
No the problem is you Remoaners have your heads up your arses and have to fart to speak ... |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Oh really. Who with? I must have missed it on the news.
Nah you didn't 'miss it' you aren't looking because your blinkered views about Brexit can only see negativity and doom and gloom and when you don't find it you invent it like you have here. Pathetic!
I guess the Australian deal where they set up a working group to promote and create a global Free Trade idea? Or the fact they have started talks in London about a new deal to be signed after we leave the EU?
Or China making a direct request to the PM for talks on a new deal.
or the Indian PM meeting our PM and wanting a new free trade deal?
And New Zealand was way ahead of everyone else.
No the problem is you Remoaners have your heads up your arses and have to fart to speak ... "
No one has said anything even remotely positive other than Australia and no matter what spin you put on it this is nowhere near reality....
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners."
I really don't know why you are getting so agitated. David Davis is Secretary of State for Brexit and he is clueless. This is THE single most important political development in a lifetime and this clown is at the wheel.
If we are leaving, at least let's have someone in charge who knows what they are doing. This guy has made a catalogue of dodgy statements and suspect comments - because he is not on top of his game. He is winging it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Oh really. Who with? I must have missed it on the news.
Nah you didn't 'miss it' you aren't looking because your blinkered views about Brexit can only see negativity and doom and gloom and when you don't find it you invent it like you have here. Pathetic!
I guess the Australian deal where they set up a working group to promote and create a global Free Trade idea? Or the fact they have started talks in London about a new deal to be signed after we leave the EU?
Or China making a direct request to the PM for talks on a new deal.
or the Indian PM meeting our PM and wanting a new free trade deal?
And New Zealand was way ahead of everyone else.
No the problem is you Remoaners have your heads up your arses and have to fart to speak ...
No one has said anything even remotely positive other than Australia and no matter what spin you put on it this is nowhere near reality....
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners."
I really don't know why you are getting so agitated. David Davis is Secretary of State for Brexit and he is clueless. This is THE single most important political development in a lifetime and this clown is at the wheel.
If we are leaving, at least let's have someone in charge who knows what they are doing. This guy has made a catalogue of dodgy statements and suspect comments - because he is not on top of his game. He is winging it. "
Now your opinion of Davies is totally irrelevant especially as you are a blinkered Remoaner and he has been an ardent Eurosceptic most of his political life.
But lets go back to the key phrase here:
" to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners."
THAT is precisely what has happened and the PM used the G20 to further that process. Note: PROCESS! You offer a quotation (excluding the key next paragraph) and then totally distort it to fabricate a personal attack on Davies based only on your personal opinion. And then try to make out I am 'Gay' as an insult because I trip you up on your own words!
Some might say that is pretty moronic but as usual I couldn't possibly comment |
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"Who said this?
24th June 2016 -
Fuck! What a dick I am  "
David Cameron?
George Osborne?
Jeremy Corbyn?
Nicola Sturgeon?
Nick Clegg?
Tim Farron?
Alex Salmond?
Paddy Ashdown?
Neil Kinnock?
Bob Geldof?
Eddie Izzard?
Peter Mandelson?
Alan Johnson?
Tony Blair?
John Major?
Gordon Brown?
Richard Branson?
Emily Thornberry?
Diane Abbott?
Hillary Benn?
Chukka Ummuna?
Angela Merkel?
Jean Claude Juncker?
Donald Tusk?
Barak Obama?
Francois Hollande?
I could go on but you've got me stumped, it could be any of the above to be fair. I think the list above shows it has to be a Remainer?
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"David Davis is a the Conservative Party politician who has been the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since 13 July 2016. On the day after hios appointment he made the ststement announcing that the UK would announce a raft of international trade deals on Friday September 9th (today).
Remember folks - this is the guy who is in charge of Brexit. No clue.
And your lack of honesty is compounded when you should have also added his next paragraph. Allow me:
"So within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. Trade deals with the US and China alone will give us a trade area almost twice the size of the EU, and of course we will also be seeking deals with Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, the UAE, Indonesia – and many others."
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/david-davis-trade-deals-tax-cuts-and-taking-time-before-triggering-article-50-a-brexit-economic-strategy-for-britain.html
NOWHERE doe he say trade deals would be done and signed by today.
Does he? "
Lol this coming from the guy making things up about snp saying all of scotland wanted to stay in eu when no one ever did ,see you are just acting like a politician just say things for ppl to read but dont answer when asked for proof |
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"David Davis is a the Conservative Party politician who has been the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since 13 July 2016. On the day after hios appointment he made the ststement announcing that the UK would announce a raft of international trade deals on Friday September 9th (today).
Remember folks - this is the guy who is in charge of Brexit. No clue.
And your lack of honesty is compounded when you should have also added his next paragraph. Allow me:
"So within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. Trade deals with the US and China alone will give us a trade area almost twice the size of the EU, and of course we will also be seeking deals with Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, the UAE, Indonesia – and many others."
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/david-davis-trade-deals-tax-cuts-and-taking-time-before-triggering-article-50-a-brexit-economic-strategy-for-britain.html
NOWHERE doe he say trade deals would be done and signed by today.
Does he?
Lol this coming from the guy making things up about snp saying all of scotland wanted to stay in eu when no one ever did ,see you are just acting like a politician just say things for ppl to read but dont answer when asked for proof"
Oh dear another 'make it up as you go along' merchant?
You confuse me with someone else. I am the one saying that not all of Scotland supports the SNP and not all of Scotland voted remain either! Its Ms Sturgeon who is peddling the lies you speak of.... D'UH!
And what 'proof' was I asked for? None. But do please ask and I will find source and links for everything I say. As I did above if you took the time to read... |
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"David Davis is a the Conservative Party politician who has been the Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union since 13 July 2016. On the day after hios appointment he made the ststement announcing that the UK would announce a raft of international trade deals on Friday September 9th (today).
Remember folks - this is the guy who is in charge of Brexit. No clue.
And your lack of honesty is compounded when you should have also added his next paragraph. Allow me:
"So within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. Trade deals with the US and China alone will give us a trade area almost twice the size of the EU, and of course we will also be seeking deals with Hong Kong, Canada, Australia, India, Japan, the UAE, Indonesia – and many others."
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/david-davis-trade-deals-tax-cuts-and-taking-time-before-triggering-article-50-a-brexit-economic-strategy-for-britain.html
NOWHERE doe he say trade deals would be done and signed by today.
Does he?
Lol this coming from the guy making things up about snp saying all of scotland wanted to stay in eu when no one ever did ,see you are just acting like a politician just say things for ppl to read but dont answer when asked for proof
Oh dear another 'make it up as you go along' merchant?
You confuse me with someone else. I am the one saying that not all of Scotland supports the SNP and not all of Scotland voted remain either! Its Ms Sturgeon who is peddling the lies you speak of.... D'UH!
And what 'proof' was I asked for? None. But do please ask and I will find source and links for everything I say. As I did above if you took the time to read..."
You have said on the independence post quite a few times that nicola sturgeoun and snp said all of scotland voted remain when it was never said ,you really should remember what you are posting as you are just making yourself look like a fud |
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" You have said on the independence post quite a few times that nicola sturgeoun and snp said all of scotland voted remain when it was never said ,you really should remember what you are posting as you are just making yourself look like a fud "
I stand by everything I have said and I remember very well what that is. And if I was short of memory all I would do is read my own Thread.
Not sure what your point is on this but you are an SNP lover, a Labour piss taker and a Tory hater so a cynic might think its you who are biased and a bit of 'fud' (nice word). |
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Yip as i thought you cant say when or who in snp said all scots voted to remain as it never happened you made it up check you comments on the indy post you said it a few times ,and yes i do support snp have no time for liebour and tories are just scum to me oh and fud is a great word sums you up well lol |
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"Who said this?
24th June 2016 -
Fuck! What a dick I am
David Cameron?
George Osborne?
Jeremy Corbyn?
Nicola Sturgeon?
Nick Clegg?
Tim Farron?
Alex Salmond?
Paddy Ashdown?
Neil Kinnock?
Bob Geldof?
Eddie Izzard?
Peter Mandelson?
Alan Johnson?
Tony Blair?
John Major?
Gordon Brown?
Richard Branson?
Emily Thornberry?
Diane Abbott?
Hillary Benn?
Chukka Ummuna?
Angela Merkel?
Jean Claude Juncker?
Donald Tusk?
Barak Obama?
Francois Hollande?
I could go on but you've got me stumped, it could be any of the above to be fair. I think the list above shows it has to be a Remainer?
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possibly any or all of the above but in particular anyone who's prophecies of doom now had to come true lest they lose any credibility that they had |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished" |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished""
So your saying the German motor industry will not be able sell their cars here, you do know we buy 33% of the German cars made and you think they are going to let that happen.
The EU need us just as much as we need them so think again. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished""
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides |
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By *LCCCouple
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides"
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal. "
Tariffs are 2 way street, one side asks a higher tariff then the other side put theirs up as well so is in both sides intrests too keep them low. We already pay a tarrif to the EU just a direct one payment tarrif with strings attached |
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By *LCCCouple
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal.
Tariffs are 2 way street, one side asks a higher tariff then the other side put theirs up as well so is in both sides intrests too keep them low. We already pay a tarrif to the EU just a direct one payment tarrif with strings attached "
I agree it is in the interests of both parties to keep the tariffs low, but with the Most Favoured Nation status as part of the WTO rules, for the EU to reduce the tariffs for the UK, they would also have to reduce their tariffs for all the other countries that they trade with, otherwise they would be penalizing those countries.
The other thing that we need to worry about if we leave the single market is non-tariff barriers. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal. "
That's because the EU have to ask all 27 countries to agree not like that with anyone else, we could be trading with India and other none EU countries within a matter of months.  |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal.
Tariffs are 2 way street, one side asks a higher tariff then the other side put theirs up as well so is in both sides intrests too keep them low. We already pay a tarrif to the EU just a direct one payment tarrif with strings attached
I agree it is in the interests of both parties to keep the tariffs low, but with the Most Favoured Nation status as part of the WTO rules, for the EU to reduce the tariffs for the UK, they would also have to reduce their tariffs for all the other countries that they trade with, otherwise they would be penalizing those countries.
The other thing that we need to worry about if we leave the single market is non-tariff barriers. "
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal.
That's because the EU have to ask all 27 countries to agree not like that with anyone else, we could be trading with India and other none EU countries within a matter of months. "
What about the 44% of our existing exports. Shall we just arrange for these exports to go somewhere else? Wave a wand and hopefully there won't be countless redundancies and the existing exports can suddenly stop going to ... Say Germany and instead can go to... Say India.
Piece of cake I suppose - as long as there is someone in India who wants what was being sold to Germany. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal.
That's because the EU have to ask all 27 countries to agree not like that with anyone else, we could be trading with India and other none EU countries within a matter of months.
What about the 44% of our existing exports. Shall we just arrange for these exports to go somewhere else? Wave a wand and hopefully there won't be countless redundancies and the existing exports can suddenly stop going to ... Say Germany and instead can go to... Say India.
Piece of cake I suppose - as long as there is someone in India who wants what was being sold to Germany."
Like I said before ALL the EU countries will still want to deal with us its up to them HOW long it takes but we will not starve we will go elsewhere. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
so acording to that way of thinking we cannot buy or sell anything untill 2 years after the exit is final?
so that would mean that germany france and indeed the rest of the EU could not in effect export anything at all to the UK then.
Somehow I don't think that is going to work on any level, they would be forced to work something out pretty dam quick on both sides
Until we actually leave, we are still members of the EU and the single market. If we leave the EU and the single market, we will then be trading under WTO rules and will be subject to tariffs with EU trade. The trade will continue, but the tariffs will have to be paid.
Only at that stage can we begin to negotiate a new trade deal with the EU. The European commission expect that it will take 6-8 years for such a trade deal.
That's because the EU have to ask all 27 countries to agree not like that with anyone else, we could be trading with India and other none EU countries within a matter of months. "
Sorry, but thats not quite true. The Canada/EU deal took 7 years to make, then the ratification of the deal they estimate to take another 2 years. So a UK India deal would still take around 7 years, its just the ratification process that would be quicker. |
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Why not just wait and see what happens all your what ifs are not going to make any difference anyway as YOU are not the PM."
You're right, I'm not the PM, I'm not even the minister for international trade who thinks that Britain is "fat and lazy."  |
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Why not just wait and see what happens all your what ifs are not going to make any difference anyway as YOU are not the PM.
You're right, I'm not the PM, I'm not even the minister for international trade who thinks that Britain is "fat and lazy." "
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Why not just wait and see what happens all your what ifs are not going to make any difference anyway as YOU are not the PM.
You're right, I'm not the PM, I'm not even the minister for international trade who thinks that Britain is "fat and lazy."
None of us have any real say in what will happen but this is all about opinions and and friendly debate, otherwise no point in having the fourums only my Own humble opinion of corse "
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Why not just wait and see what happens all your what ifs are not going to make any difference anyway as YOU are not the PM.
You're right, I'm not the PM, I'm not even the minister for international trade who thinks that Britain is "fat and lazy."
None of us have any real say in what will happen but this is all about opinions and and friendly debate, otherwise no point in having the fourums only my Own humble opinion of corse
Stop having opinions, you're not the PM! "
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"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x"
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward" |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished""
Guess we're gonna crash and burn |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward""
Really?
Going to quote your source then? |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832 |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832"
Can't see where the Australian's say "fuck off "?
Can only see that they say they can't formally negotiate yet? Nothing new there?! |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Oh really. Who with? I must have missed it on the news.
Nah you didn't 'miss it' you aren't looking because your blinkered views about Brexit can only see negativity and doom and gloom and when you don't find it you invent it like you have here. Pathetic!
I guess the Australian deal where they set up a working group to promote and create a global Free Trade idea? Or the fact they have started talks in London about a new deal to be signed after we leave the EU?
Or China making a direct request to the PM for talks on a new deal.
or the Indian PM meeting our PM and wanting a new free trade deal?
And New Zealand was way ahead of everyone else.
No the problem is you Remoaners have your heads up your arses and have to fart to speak ...
No one has said anything even remotely positive other than Australia and no matter what spin you put on it this is nowhere near reality....
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners."
I really don't know why you are getting so agitated. David Davis is Secretary of State for Brexit and he is clueless. This is THE single most important political development in a lifetime and this clown is at the wheel.
If we are leaving, at least let's have someone in charge who knows what they are doing. This guy has made a catalogue of dodgy statements and suspect comments - because he is not on top of his game. He is winging it. "
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over a year ago
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832
Can't see where the Australian's say "fuck off "?
Can only see that they say they can't formally negotiate yet? Nothing new there?!"
Well I think the point of the OP, was that actually was new to the Brexit minister. A Leading Brexit campaigner, didn't even understand that we couldn't negotiate until we had formally left the EU. Don't you find it worrying that he has such a poor understanding of such issues when he is the minister in charge?
Also there are plenty of senior conservatives with business experience, and yet the position of International Trade Secretary goes to a GP who has never worked in business and says that Britain is too fat and lazy and busy playing golf to bother signing trade deals. Wouldn't a GP be put to much better use in the Department for Health? Especially when you have a toxic minister who has been at loggerheads with junior doctors for months? |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832
Can't see where the Australian's say "fuck off "?
Can only see that they say they can't formally negotiate yet? Nothing new there?!"
My source wasn't the BBC; it was someone who works on the Foreign Office: and the words were not " fuck off" but were as close as you can get in "diplomatic speak".
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832
Can't see where the Australian's say "fuck off "?
Can only see that they say they can't formally negotiate yet? Nothing new there?!
My source wasn't the BBC; it was someone who works on the Foreign Office: and the words were not " fuck off" but were as close as you can get in "diplomatic speak".
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832
Can't see where the Australian's say "fuck off "?
Can only see that they say they can't formally negotiate yet? Nothing new there?!
My source wasn't the BBC; it was someone who works on the Foreign Office: and the words were not " fuck off" but were as close as you can get in "diplomatic speak".
So no proof then just have to take your word for it."
Yep; but ( assuming you take any news outlet as " proof") then the BBC story seems to have got it nearly right.
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished""
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force. |
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"July 14th, 2016...
"I would expect the new Prime Minister on September 9th to immediately trigger a large round of global trade deals with all our most favoured trade partners. I would expect that the negotiation phase of most of them to be concluded within between 12 and 24 months."
He said "trigger". I believe Theresa May did "trigger" potential deals at the G20 very recently.. obviously negotiations cannot take place just yet x
Teresa May didn't trigger any deals at all during G20;
In fact she was given a massively embarrassing and humiliating kick in the ass by everyone.
Meanwhile Luam Fox was telling everyone that he was having massive success with the Australians, when they actually said " fuck off, we need to conclude our business with the EU first, then we will think about it", and they have agreed to set up a " working party" which will meet every 6 months ( ish) to " discuss the way forward"
Really?
Going to quote your source then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37291832
Can't see where the Australian's say "fuck off "?
Can only see that they say they can't formally negotiate yet? Nothing new there?!
My source wasn't the BBC; it was someone who works on the Foreign Office: and the words were not " fuck off" but were as close as you can get in "diplomatic speak".
So no proof then just have to take your word for it.
Yep; but ( assuming you take any news outlet as " proof") then the BBC story seems to have got it nearly right.
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over a year ago
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force."
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
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Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us."
Ever thought that loads of countries have noted the utter desperation of UK to " do deals " in order to show that everything is hunky dory, and thus will be able to screw UK rigid ? |
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By *oo hot OP Couple
over a year ago
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It is quite remarkable that a civilised, first world country like ours is in the position that it is. The only saving grace we have is that Cameron did not immediately trigger Article 50 which is what he said would happen in the event of a pro Brexit referendum.
The whole world is under no illusion as to the state of the U.K. and it's desperation to get trade deals in place quickly. Rarely are you able to negotiate anything favourable when you are desperate and everyone knows you are desperate.
I think that this whole Brexit business is way, way too important to be left in the hands of a few Tory incompetents. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us."
I think you missed the point I am trying to make, the EU has been able to do trade deals over several decades, whereas for us we will essentially be starting from scratch and have to negotiate a lot of trade deals all at the same time, which will strain our resources. Its not about countries giving us a hard time, its about the fact that our civil service will struggle to cope with the demand. |
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Trade deals? Bolox.
Nobody here has the foggiest idea what they are talking about. Just my opinion of course.
The whole world is practically a free trade zone already due to currency fluctuations and is heading further and further towards complete free trade every day. The protectionist EU has done nothing but hold us back for years and its ideas are a thing of the past. |
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us.
I think you missed the point I am trying to make, the EU has been able to do trade deals over several decades, whereas for us we will essentially be starting from scratch and have to negotiate a lot of trade deals all at the same time, which will strain our resources. Its not about countries giving us a hard time, its about the fact that our civil service will struggle to cope with the demand."
and just out of curiosity, who does the EU have trade deals with? |
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Put simply -
Uk to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free both ways?
Country A -
Good idea, yes please.
Germany to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges but we are going to impose tariffs?
Country A -
No thanks, we can do a better deal with the UK.
Germany -
Oh, ok, well we will have to remove tariffs too then to compete.
Result - free trade all round and an end to the EU and single market
Job done
thank you |
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"Trade deals? Bolox.
Nobody here has the foggiest idea what they are talking about. Just my opinion of course.
The whole world is practically a free trade zone already due to currency fluctuations and is heading further and further towards complete free trade every day. The protectionist EU has done nothing but hold us back for years and its ideas are a thing of the past. "
 As Michael Gove said during the referendum campaign the EU is an analogue union in a now digital age. It is out of date, and not fit for purpose in the modern world. |
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"Put simply -
Uk to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free both ways?
Country A -
Good idea, yes please.
Germany to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges but we are going to impose tariffs?
Country A -
No thanks, we can do a better deal with the UK.
Germany -
Oh, ok, well we will have to remove tariffs too then to compete.
Result - free trade all round and an end to the EU and single market
Job done
thank you "
Or the reality;
UK to country A:
"Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free?"
Country A "do you want a trade deal?"
UK "yes"
Country A;
" how much"
UK " we are fucking desperate"
Country A;
"Great; deal on: we will take your spokes, you can have our oranges at a fantastic deal for only 10% tariff"
UK;
" great (but let's pretend it's a good deal for us)"
Country A;
" done ( you have been, ha ha)"
A few months later;
Country A
" oh by the way , fuck your apples, we grow our own. You can import them too, at a special deal of only 10% tariff"
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us.
Ever thought that loads of countries have noted the utter desperation of UK to " do deals " in order to show that everything is hunky dory, and thus will be able to screw UK rigid ?"
I think your wrong just my opinion but if they do "screw" us as you put it they may need our help at some time in the future then it will be pay back, and they will know this. |
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"Put simply -
Uk to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free both ways?
Country A -
Good idea, yes please.
Germany to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges but we are going to impose tariffs?
Country A -
No thanks, we can do a better deal with the UK.
Germany -
Oh, ok, well we will have to remove tariffs too then to compete.
Result - free trade all round and an end to the EU and single market
Job done
thank you
Or the reality;
UK to country A:
"Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free?"
Country A "do you want a trade deal?"
UK "yes"
Country A;
" how much"
UK " we are fucking desperate"
Country A;
"Great; deal on: we will take your spokes, you can have our oranges at a fantastic deal for only 10% tariff"
UK;
" great (but let's pretend it's a good deal for us)"
Country A;
" done ( you have been, ha ha)"
A few months later;
Country A
" oh by the way , fuck your apples, we grow our own. You can import them too, at a special deal of only 10% tariff"
"
Here is the reality of EU trade deals.....
Country A...can we have a trade deal please.
EU.....Yes but expect it to take forever and a day while 27 member countries squabble and disagree about what the terms are.
Country A (in this case we will use the USA)....Shove your trade deal where the sun don't shine, you take far too long to agree on anything! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Put simply -
Uk to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free both ways?
Country A -
Good idea, yes please.
Germany to country A -
Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges but we are going to impose tariffs?
Country A -
No thanks, we can do a better deal with the UK.
Germany -
Oh, ok, well we will have to remove tariffs too then to compete.
Result - free trade all round and an end to the EU and single market
Job done
thank you
Or the reality;
UK to country A:
"Would you buy our apples if we bought your oranges, tariff free?"
Country A "do you want a trade deal?"
UK "yes"
Country A;
" how much"
UK " we are fucking desperate"
Country A;
"Great; deal on: we will take your spokes, you can have our oranges at a fantastic deal for only 10% tariff"
UK;
" great (but let's pretend it's a good deal for us)"
Country A;
" done ( you have been, ha ha)"
A few months later;
Country A
" oh by the way , fuck your apples, we grow our own. You can import them too, at a special deal of only 10% tariff"
Here is the reality of EU trade deals.....
Country A...can we have a trade deal please.
EU.....Yes but expect it to take forever and a day while 27 member countries squabble and disagree about what the terms are.
Country A (in this case we will use the USA)....Shove your trade deal where the sun don't shine, you take far too long to agree on anything! "
The China Switzerland deal took 4 years and how well did that turn out for the Swiss?
Norway, Switzerland, Iceland, Liechtenstein/India trade deal started in 2007 and hasn't finished yet so thats 9 years already.
The Malaysia/Australia deal took 7 years, China/Australia 9 years, so you can see that trade deals are much more complex and find-and-replace on a Word document as some seem to suggest, and also its not just EU trade deals that take years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us."
And why we HAVE already started. Because we are NOT banned from talking to other countries about trade deals...what utter bollocks from the bremoaners. We cannot SIGN any unilateral trade deals whilst still members but to say we cannot talk to others about such future deals is total twaddle. You cannot win an argument against someone who flatly refuses to face facts! |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"We can't even START formal trade negotiations until we leave the EU, let alone sign them! And that even includes a trade deal WITH the EU!
The UK is going to be left out in the cold for many years between leaving the EU and signing new agreements.
The Brexiters who are claiming we are over the worst of it are going to look like Bush standing on an aircraft carrier saying "mission accomplished"
We can, and already have "started" to arrange deals. There is nothing, anywhere, preventing us from doing this. We cannot finalise/sign such deals until fully exited....this is true. But if things have been agreed in advance they can come into place the day after. Too many people misquoting and having a pop at others. Focus on the simple facts. We voted out. We will be fully out two years after triggering article50. We have two years to dot the I's and cross the T's on trade deals so they are ready to come into force.
Yes there is! There are international treaties saying that we can't. Until we have left, we are still members of the EU. EU members cannot negotiate unilateral trade deals. Therefore all formal negotiations will have to wait until after we leave the EU. Only at that stage can we BEGIN to negotiate a trade deal. These trade details are incredibly complex and take many years to negotiate. The EU has 700 negotiators and it took them 7 years to reach a deal with Canada. We only have 20 negotiators, so its likely that it would take us longer to negotiate a deal.
The other thing to consider is that the UK wont be able to focus on a single trade deal, we will be trying to sign with the EU, Australia, NZ, India, China, US, Canada etc. All at the same time.
Oh prophet of doom give it a rest do you honestly think every country is going to give us a hard time, ever thought some might be only too ready to do a deal with us.
And why we HAVE already started. Because we are NOT banned from talking to other countries about trade deals...what utter bollocks from the bremoaners. We cannot SIGN any unilateral trade deals whilst still members but to say we cannot talk to others about such future deals is total twaddle. You cannot win an argument against someone who flatly refuses to face facts!"
"Britain is not able to negotiate, or sign a trade deal prior to the exit from the EU" Australian trade minister Steven Ciobo
Is he wrong? The trade minister of the country that it has been suggested will be our first trade deal post Brexit. You think you know more about international trade agreements than he does? |
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Just checked on the Dept of Trade figures.
Our largest trading partner in 2015 wasn't the EU...it was USA.
$57.9Bn imports. $56.1Bn exports. All with no trade deal and over 90% of it tariff free.
All under WTO rules. As other posters have said multinational companies mean that the idea of tariffs is becoming massively outdated. Most trade is done between companies....not between countries! |
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"Britain is not able to negotiate, or sign a trade deal prior to the exit from the EU" Australian trade minister Steven Ciobo
Is he wrong? The trade minister of the country that it has been suggested will be our first trade deal post Brexit. You think you know more about international trade agreements than he does? "
Brilliant partial quote! Now let's look at the next line of his speech....
He added that "while talks about an Australian-UK deal would take place before then, they would not be on the same level as those with the EU"
Different level with the EU because they could be more formal....fair enough they can finalise and sign with the EU at any time. We would need to wait on finalising anything until after full exit. Before full exit we would have whatever deal the EU have.
But currently there is no trade deal between UK and Australia.....does that mean we do not buy/sell anything Australian? Ahhh didn't think so! |
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I have come to realise that the usual suspects will not accept rational discussion, sources or basic facts and will just keep Trolling out their nonsense over and over again. It does make me smile when a certain individual trots out 'WTO Rules'. And hasn't a bloody clue what that means. And then provide a quote which proves they don't. Outstanding!
And it really is quite pathetic how the Remoaners seize on a small part of sentence in a small part of a speech or article and manufacture a world of illusion from it. For example Australia:
The Prime Minister (who happens to be an old friend of our PM) said at the G20 he wanted Australia to be the first in with a UK trade deal. His Trade Minister came to the UK to further those discussions on how that deal may look. And in a Radio 4 interview said quite clearly it would signed in our timeframe given the legal implications of us only being able to sign any deals AFTER we have left the EU. But confirmed negotiations can continue IN FULL before that date. He also said that IN ADDITION the UK and Australia would form a working group to research, promote and advance the concept of Glabal Tariff Free Trade and noted the Commonwealth was a great place to start. Nothing negative there at all.
As for the PM being treated 'shabbily' that is just a total lie. If the Remoaners are going on about where she stood in a photocall maybe they have not noticed she is quite a tall lady and therefore would be towards the back. And anyway who really cares except small minded Remoaners? Apart from that she met the Chinese President and had excellent meetings with Obama. The Indian PM who she also met is especially keen to open Free Trade deals with us as they are so pissed off with the EU.
And finally Tariffs, visa fees and other stupidity (and Amber Rudd should be fired): Whatever the EU wish to levy against us or charge our citizens we can levy and charge the same back. Nett result it won't happen unless the EU want to commit economic suicide for Germany and others. |
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