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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Does anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is a delusional fuck wit?"
Yes but I also think he's evil, stupid, irresponsible, unemployable in a real job and looks like a fucking tramp. Other than that he's lovely. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Does anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is a delusional fuck wit?
Yes but I also think he's evil, stupid, irresponsible, unemployable in a real job and looks like a fucking tramp. Other than that he's lovely. "
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"Does anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is a delusional fuck wit?"
(you're not allowed to mention that name in here, that's why I did it with more subtlety)
(obviously so much subtlety that no-one noticed, but them's the breaks... )
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is a delusional fuck wit?
Yes but I also think he's evil, stupid, irresponsible, unemployable in a real job and looks like a fucking tramp. Other than that he's lovely.
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He'd love nothing more than to put us in gulags like all his past hero's used to |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is a delusional fuck wit?"
I do not trust any politican because there is not one of them who could lie straight in bed and the most of them are in that position because they cannot do anything else  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Does anyone else think Jeremy Corbyn is a delusional fuck wit?
Yes but I also think he's evil, stupid, irresponsible, unemployable in a real job and looks like a fucking tramp. Other than that he's lovely. "
That describes pretty much any politician |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Isn't the politics forum elsewhere now?
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That explains why the forum's so shit now - they moved the interesting stuff
I see it - between the US and Spain. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
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For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've just noticed it's moved !
Thing is it will make the lounge and swingers chat both the same !
Question time was scary tho
The thought of either of them as P M is terrifying ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right. "
I think this too. Can't believe he'll ever be elected though - or that Labour will win an election again for that matter. |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle). "
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday. "
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday.
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set. "
They didn't think he had a hope in hell of being elected as leader. They thought he'd be the Ann Widdicombe on Strictly candidate.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday.
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set. "
The Great And Good ? Have Labour got any ? I think not ! |
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By *imiUKMan
over a year ago
Hereford |
"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday.
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set. "
"Let" him? Voted in. Significant mandate. Democratic party in a democracy ought to be democratic. HOwever, I have noticed that there are quite a few in the Labour party who are not Corbynists, who are very content to eschew democracy when it suits their aims (which, of course makes the notion that he is the one who is anti-democracy even more laughable).. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I haven't a problem with Corbyn himself - he's the politician who aligns most with my own views - but the idea that a pacifist, republican socialist can be elected as Prime Minister in a rich, overwhelmingky monarchist, militaristic country as this one is frankly laughable.
Really don't much like Smith either though.
Never thought I'd be praying for the stupid Miliband brother |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right. "
By any objective measure he is the establishment. He's never had a job outside politics and has spent decades on a publically funded salary. Opposition has been part of the establishment for hundreds of years. He's the perfect part too, shouts and protests a lot, achieves nothing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday.
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set. "
He's a self confessed Marxist. The fact that he isn't smart enough to pull of a dictatorship doesn't mean he doesn't dream of one. I can't remember any country implementing Marxist policies whilst maintaining free and fair democratic elections? |
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By *anbrCouple
over a year ago
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Here's the thing, he has a bigger support than any previous individual who hoped to lead the Labour party. He represents what socialism used to stand for. He is principled. He therefore offers a proper alternative to the Tories or the "Tories Light" that Labour had become under Blair. That actually might be the reason there seems to be a massive ground swell of support for him. And - just like brexit - people seem to have a problem with the fact that in a democracy, the majority win in any vote. The Labour grandees are failing to grasp the fact that people are joining the party in numbers unseen in recent years because of Corbyn. |
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"Here's the thing, he has a bigger support than any previous individual who hoped to lead the Labour party. He represents what socialism used to stand for. He is principled. He therefore offers a proper alternative to the Tories or the "Tories Light" that Labour had become under Blair. That actually might be the reason there seems to be a massive ground swell of support for him. And - just like brexit - people seem to have a problem with the fact that in a democracy, the majority win in any vote. The Labour grandees are failing to grasp the fact that people are joining the party in numbers unseen in recent years because of Corbyn."
Last night, in Sheffield, Labour lost a council bi - election seat, its share of the vote going down by nearly 10%. The night before the vote there was an appeal for people to help with canvassing. Not one new person turned out. On the same night over 40 showed up for a Momentum phonebank4Corbyn event in the same city.
What this illustrates is how little Corbyn and his movement are not interested in parliamentary democracy. That's unsurprising, but I wonder how many Corbyn supporters realise that his true aims are revolutionary, not progressive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The problem is Labour itself, they do not have one credible candidate and they are sailing themselves down the river as they have no one strong enough to run the party.
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Look at Labour in Scotland, Jim Murphy was the beginning of the end of Labour up here, not only did they not recognise this fault, they then stick Kezia Dugdale in as next Scottish leader to ensure they will never get votes in Scotland again.
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Sadly incompetence also runs high with Westminster Labour and they have no strong candidates shinning through.
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Time to nail the lid on this dead party.
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Remember if you are in a union you can call the union and ensure no payment of union fee's go to this party. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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OK vested interest here. I am a lifelong Tory and I am well pleased. But I am also a democrat and this is all very bad for democracy unless another party can fill the void left by Labour.
The problem Labour seems to have is that there is a collision of realities that cannot be resolved. The Labour Membership is now becoming a younger more 'ardent' bunch of Socialists who believe (quite genuinely) in Corbyn's ideas and beliefs. And they are not averse to being militant and vicious in their methods to ensure Corbyn and his mates are kept in place. I am very much reminded of the Militant Tendency of the 1980s when the likes of John Hamilton and Derek Hatton (who resurfaced recently) were doing exactly what Corbyn is doing now. Unfortunately for Liverpool they were running the Council at the time and every employee got a 90 day redundancy notice when they tried to pass an illegal budget. History teaches us that, like Leopards, the Lefties and Socialists never change their spots they just get more hungry for power.
Within the Parliamentary Labour Party there is a stark realisation that Corbyn and his Momentum group (aka Militant Tendency) are making each and every Labour MP unelectable. But there is nothing they can do about it. They are in the place of power but powerless in legislation and powerless within their own party. They are sitting in a coach heading for a trip over a cliff. I suspect some may get off before too long.
What we are seeing is something entirely new. A political party horizontally split between its grassroot membership and its elected MPs. This isn't a Left / Right faction split as happened when the Centrist Social Democrats split from a more Leftist Labour Party in '81. And what happened then? 18 years of Tory Government.
As I say this is all very entertaining as we see two idiots make each other look even more idiotic but seriously not good for democracy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Here's the thing, he has a bigger support than any previous individual who hoped to lead the Labour party. He represents what socialism used to stand for. He is principled. He therefore offers a proper alternative to the Tories or the "Tories Light" that Labour had become under Blair. That actually might be the reason there seems to be a massive ground swell of support for him. And - just like brexit - people seem to have a problem with the fact that in a democracy, the majority win in any vote. The Labour grandees are failing to grasp the fact that people are joining the party in numbers unseen in recent years because of Corbyn."
There's nothing inherently good about "having principles". The most evil men in history had principles, it's what those principles were that's the problem. Just like it's jeremey Corbyn's principles that make him such a cunt. The fact that he would sooner divorce his wife than consent to their children going to a grammar school just shows what a shit father he is. His kids still ended up going to the damn school anyway so he didn't achieve anything, just that his children had to grow up in a broken home - yeah well done Jezza, great stuff  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A man who views the world the same at fifty as he did at twenty has wasted thirty years of his life." Muhammed Ali
In a nut shell, that's everything that's wrong with Corbyn. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So watching the actual thing now, it's telling that Jeremy's opening speech is about "taking on the Tories". He's one of those people that knows exactly what's wrong with everyone else, but has no real plan about what to do about it.
Which is why he'll always be a protest movement. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think he means well possibly but I fear his strings are been pulled ?
Also the end was very telling !
Ie the make up of the audience , defiantly more pro Corbyn ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I think he means well possibly but I fear his strings are been pulled ?
Also the end was very telling !
Ie the make up of the audience , defiantly more pro Corbyn !"
It just shows what a bunch of knuckle draggers that party is full of. They think political debate is about screaming abuse when someone says something you don't like as if truth is direct proportional to emotion. It looks like the eve of the French Revolution in there and you won't want seconds of that. |
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By any objective measure he is the establishment. He's never had a job outside politics and has spent decades on a publically funded salary. Opposition has been part of the establishment for hundreds of years. He's the perfect part too, shouts and protests a lot, achieves nothing. "
What a nonsense post.
Even the right wingers in the press admit the Tories (first under Cameron and even now under May) have had to move to the left and even adopt a lot of the Labour policies of Miliband and Corbyn's labour.
It amazes me how much disdain for the left there is nationally and praise for the right there is.
Just about every fundamental right you have has been the result of long fights by the left and opposed at every turn by Tories.
Then we have all this bullshit that people like Corbyn are extreme left, marxist, communist etc.
When asked if he is a Marxist he replied 'that's a good question'.
Which is a good answer.
Marx was a great analyst, less good at solutions. Fortunately many others have tried solutions, based sometimes on Marxist teachings and philosophies. Some were terrible. Some were abused and perverted into something else such as Stalinism.
Some were never given a proper chance eg Cuba due to the US embargo.
Corbyn believes in Democracy with a fair degree of Socialism included. He doesn't think the market works in every aspect of society. He believes some things should be state run and controlled because the private sector is unfit for the purpose. He believes, as Marx did, that unchecked, capitalists pervert the market to gather more wealth (which equals power) than they are entitled to which in turn they use to further undermine the fundamental rights of ordinary working people.
I don't know if Corbyn would be a good PM. I don't know if he can be a good party leader. I know he hasn't been given much of a chance though.
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By any objective measure he is the establishment. He's never had a job outside politics and has spent decades on a publically funded salary. Opposition has been part of the establishment for hundreds of years. He's the perfect part too, shouts and protests a lot, achieves nothing.
What a nonsense post.
Even the right wingers in the press admit the Tories (first under Cameron and even now under May) have had to move to the left and even adopt a lot of the Labour policies of Miliband and Corbyn's labour.
It amazes me how much disdain for the left there is nationally and praise for the right there is.
Just about every fundamental right you have has been the result of long fights by the left and opposed at every turn by Tories.
Then we have all this bullshit that people like Corbyn are extreme left, marxist, communist etc.
When asked if he is a Marxist he replied 'that's a good question'.
Which is a good answer.
Marx was a great analyst, less good at solutions. Fortunately many others have tried solutions, based sometimes on Marxist teachings and philosophies. Some were terrible. Some were abused and perverted into something else such as Stalinism.
Some were never given a proper chance eg Cuba due to the US embargo.
Corbyn believes in Democracy with a fair degree of Socialism included. He doesn't think the market works in every aspect of society. He believes some things should be state run and controlled because the private sector is unfit for the purpose. He believes, as Marx did, that unchecked, capitalists pervert the market to gather more wealth (which equals power) than they are entitled to which in turn they use to further undermine the fundamental rights of ordinary working people.
I don't know if Corbyn would be a good PM. I don't know if he can be a good party leader. I know he hasn't been given much of a chance though.
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Marx was an awful analyst who made many basic mistakes that people before him did not. He is akin to a fortune teller that made vague enough statements that the looney left love to interpret them in a way as to credit them.
One of the most basic errors he made was not understanding the role of productivity in economics and assumed it was static, Adam Smith had proved this wasn't the case about 80 years earlier.
The Tories have moved further and further right since 2010, it's amusing to hear to opposite though. One minute the NHS is on the verge of privatisation, child poverty is through the roof and the disabled are dying in droves, the next minute the Tories are moving left!!! |
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I'll throw my 2 pence in. Both have big flaws, but all politicians do and all parties do.
I think a big problem we have in the UK is that the leaders of all parties have entrenched ideologies. Whether it but labour, UKIP, the tories, SNP and Greens.
Of the two I prefer Corbyn, he advocates for greater regional democracy, and can atleast respect the results of the advisory EU referendum.
I voted remain, but for any party to actually ignore the result of the EU referendum would be a.) a slap in the face to democratic society and rational debate, and b.) a make or break situation for any party - success or suicide. |
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"For all Party's to matter we have to change the General Election to P R !
10 percent of the vote equals 10 per cent of the M P s !
Simple Realy !"
Why on earth would we want that!!
It's brilliant to have a political system that makes everyone feel important, whilst ignoring the idiots.
PR only works if everyone's opinion is sensible. |
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"For all Party's to matter we have to change the General Election to P R !
10 percent of the vote equals 10 per cent of the M P s !
Simple Realy !
Why on earth would we want that!!
It's brilliant to have a political system that makes everyone feel important, whilst ignoring the idiots.
PR only works if everyone's opinion is sensible. "
That's silly !
It's like saying it's only any good if I agree with it !
All votes should count Equal !
If not what's the point ! |
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"For all Party's to matter we have to change the General Election to P R !
10 percent of the vote equals 10 per cent of the M P s !
Simple Realy !
Why on earth would we want that!!
It's brilliant to have a political system that makes everyone feel important, whilst ignoring the idiots.
PR only works if everyone's opinion is sensible.
That's silly !
It's like saying it's only any good if I agree with it !
All votes should count Equal !
If not what's the point !"
The votes are equal now. I just don't think all opinions are equally valid. |
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"For all Party's to matter we have to change the General Election to P R !
10 percent of the vote equals 10 per cent of the M P s !
Simple Realy !
Why on earth would we want that!!
It's brilliant to have a political system that makes everyone feel important, whilst ignoring the idiots.
PR only works if everyone's opinion is sensible.
That's silly !
It's like saying it's only any good if I agree with it !
All votes should count Equal !
If not what's the point !
The votes are equal now. I just don't think all opinions are equally valid. "
No all votes arnt equal ! You can in ghety get less votes and win the election ! |
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"For all Party's to matter we have to change the General Election to P R !
10 percent of the vote equals 10 per cent of the M P s !
Simple Realy !
Why on earth would we want that!!
It's brilliant to have a political system that makes everyone feel important, whilst ignoring the idiots.
PR only works if everyone's opinion is sensible.
That's silly !
It's like saying it's only any good if I agree with it !
All votes should count Equal !
If not what's the point !
The votes are equal now. I just don't think all opinions are equally valid.
No all votes arnt equal ! You can in ghety get less votes and win the election !"
As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony. |
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"For all Party's to matter we have to change the General Election to P R !
10 percent of the vote equals 10 per cent of the M P s !
Simple Realy !
Why on earth would we want that!!
It's brilliant to have a political system that makes everyone feel important, whilst ignoring the idiots.
PR only works if everyone's opinion is sensible.
That's silly !
It's like saying it's only any good if I agree with it !
All votes should count Equal !
If not what's the point !
The votes are equal now. I just don't think all opinions are equally valid.
No all votes arnt equal ! You can in ghety get less votes and win the election !
As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony. "
Yes , but it isn't true democracy ! |
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony. "
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate. |
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony.
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate."
Yeah because only 11.3m people voted conservative in 2015 |
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony.
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate.
Yeah because only 11.3m people voted conservative in 2015 "
and how many would vote that way with the present fuckwit in charge?...
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony.
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate.
Yeah because only 11.3m people voted conservative in 2015
and how many would vote that way with the present fuckwit in charge?...
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You don't elect a prime minister, you elect a party. It's up to the party who they want to put in charge. |
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony.
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate.
Yeah because only 11.3m people voted conservative in 2015
and how many would vote that way with the present fuckwit in charge?...
You don't elect a prime minister, you elect a party. It's up to the party who they want to put in charge. "
This is convenient bollocks.
Most people have no idea who they're actually voting for - they vote for a party, or a personality - hardly ever their actual MP.
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony.
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate.
Yeah because only 11.3m people voted conservative in 2015
and how many would vote that way with the present fuckwit in charge?...
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A hell of a lot more! The fuckwit left the building. And the other even bigger fuckwit leads a supposed opposition |
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"Glad I am in Scotland, only one party to vote for
UKIP
and I have a vote on independence, a thing others will not have a decision on"
Why not?
If other parts of the UK want independence they have just as much right to vote on it as Scotland surely. |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right. "
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why. |
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"Glad I am in Scotland, only one party to vote for
UKIP
and I have a vote on independence, a thing others will not have a decision on
Why not?
If other parts of the UK want independence they have just as much right to vote on it as Scotland surely. "
Of course you do. But try getting it is going be hard.
I saw something recently talking about how hard it would be for the North of England to get a referendum to break away from England and join scotland after a majority voted for it in some poll as there is no major party with independence on there manefesto and no regional parliaments. |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right.
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why."
I expect Stalin used the same logic.
Since the West is so desperate for me to fail, my gulags must be doing something right. |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right.
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why.
I expect Stalin used the same logic.
Since the West is so desperate for me to fail, my gulags must be doing something right. "
So you don't think it odd that the right wing media desperately want a supposedly unelectable opposition leader removed to be replaced by a more electable one? |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right.
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why.
I expect Stalin used the same logic.
Since the West is so desperate for me to fail, my gulags must be doing something right.
So you don't think it odd that the right wing media desperately want a supposedly unelectable opposition leader removed to be replaced by a more electable one?"
Your question could be rephrase as, is it in the interests of a right wing person to face:
- A. An election where they have a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing to a sensible party
- B. An election where they have a 95% chance of winning and a 5% chance of complete and utter economic catastrophe if they lose.
I think everyone with a patriotic bone in their body would prefer A. |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right.
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why.
I expect Stalin used the same logic.
Since the West is so desperate for me to fail, my gulags must be doing something right.
So you don't think it odd that the right wing media desperately want a supposedly unelectable opposition leader removed to be replaced by a more electable one?
Your question could be rephrase as, is it in the interests of a right wing person to face:
- A. An election where they have a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing to a sensible party
- B. An election where they have a 95% chance of winning and a 5% chance of complete and utter economic catastrophe if they lose.
I think everyone with a patriotic bone in their body would prefer A. "
So he's not unelectable then? |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right.
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why.
I expect Stalin used the same logic.
Since the West is so desperate for me to fail, my gulags must be doing something right.
So you don't think it odd that the right wing media desperately want a supposedly unelectable opposition leader removed to be replaced by a more electable one?
Your question could be rephrase as, is it in the interests of a right wing person to face:
- A. An election where they have a 50% chance of winning and a 50% chance of losing to a sensible party
- B. An election where they have a 95% chance of winning and a 5% chance of complete and utter economic catastrophe if they lose.
I think everyone with a patriotic bone in their body would prefer A.
So he's not unelectable then?"
Only a fool thinks in terms of 100% probabilities. But if you think a 5% chance of winning is good enough for the Labour party then... |
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"For what it's worth, I like him more than I have liked any mainstream politician in a long time.
The fact that the establishment seems so very worried about him tickles me a bit, I uppose he must be doing something right.
I don't overly like him but when you get tory mouthpieces like the sun and mail desperate to see him replaced then you have to ask why.
I expect Stalin used the same logic.
Since the West is so desperate for me to fail, my gulags must be doing something right.
So you don't think it odd that the right wing media desperately want a supposedly unelectable opposition leader removed to be replaced by a more electable one?"
You assume they want him removed. To pretend he would be their top choice would be obviously false and do more to remove him.
If the press have any angle it is to continue the chaos as long as possible. |
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"As I say, it's the perfect system to keep the loonies out. Which is good for everyone that isn't a loony.
Perfect system to become PM with no need to face the electorate.
Yeah because only 11.3m people voted conservative in 2015
and how many would vote that way with the present fuckwit in charge?...
A hell of a lot more! The fuckwit left the building. And the other even bigger fuckwit leads a supposed opposition"
If this were true there would be an early election to ensure they have more than a marginal majority.
They won't because this is most likely to be the final majority government and they can't risk the tiny majority they have. |
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"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday.
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set. "
I think the answer to the question is fairly clear.
Diane Abbott. Would you? |
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"He's not my cup of political tea. I do however think his heart and motivation in his own (completely unworkable) beliefs and ideals are unshakeably genuine. Sadly, he's about as realistic as a three year old girl who thinks she can actually fly over the rainbow on a unicorn! (Clearly everyone knows that only alicorns have wings so a flying unicorn is just piffle).
One of the things that makes me chuckle is that his critics seem to flit between your view and that he's a dangerous, calculating vanguardist/Stalinist who is ready to sieze control of power in an armed coup and install a "dictatorship of the proletariat"...possibly next Tuesday.
I'm not sure he could sieze control of a bowl of rice crispies myself. I can't help but wonder what the great and good of the Labour Party strategists were thinking when they let him play with their train set.
I think the answer to the question is fairly clear.
Diane Abbott. Would you? "
If I looked like him, definitely. She got the raw deal in my opinion. |
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I really really don't know what the obsession with Jeremy corbyn is for either the nay or yay side!.
I've never been a politican who's so benign in my life |
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"I really really don't know what the obsession with Jeremy corbyn is for either the nay or yay side!.
I've never been a politican who's so benign in my life"
Because you're not the type he wants to ship off to the gulag you tree hugger, it's us capitalist pigs that are worried |
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"I really really don't know what the obsession with Jeremy corbyn is for either the nay or yay side!.
I've never been a politican who's so benign in my life
Because you're not the type he wants to ship off to the gulag you tree hugger, it's us capitalist pigs that are worried "
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Lol I guess that's one way to look at it..
I can confirm though as a tree hugger he does nothing for me, there's literally no inspiration at all, in my life I've gone with people who are very inspirational speakers. . He's not one of them, he's so uninspiring, apart from trident I can't think of anything he's said that's actually controversial(I don't actually find saying I'd get rid of trident controversial myself but hey ho, I know some will) |
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"I really really don't know what the obsession with Jeremy corbyn is for either the nay or yay side!.
I've never been a politican who's so benign in my life
Because you're not the type he wants to ship off to the gulag you tree hugger, it's us capitalist pigs that are worried .
Lol I guess that's one way to look at it..
I can confirm though as a tree hugger he does nothing for me, there's literally no inspiration at all, in my life I've gone with people who are very inspirational speakers. . He's not one of them, he's so uninspiring, apart from trident I can't think of anything he's said that's actually controversial(I don't actually find saying I'd get rid of trident controversial myself but hey ho, I know some will)"
He's a Marxist. I failed to see why that's better than being a Facist personally. |
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"I really really don't know what the obsession with Jeremy corbyn is for either the nay or yay side!.
I've never been a politican who's so benign in my life
Because you're not the type he wants to ship off to the gulag you tree hugger, it's us capitalist pigs that are worried .
Lol I guess that's one way to look at it..
I can confirm though as a tree hugger he does nothing for me, there's literally no inspiration at all, in my life I've gone with people who are very inspirational speakers. . He's not one of them, he's so uninspiring, apart from trident I can't think of anything he's said that's actually controversial(I don't actually find saying I'd get rid of trident controversial myself but hey ho, I know some will)
He's a Marxist. I failed to see why that's better than being a Facist personally. "
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Neither do I, the only thing I can say is fascism appeals to an awful lot more of the population than Marxism, so there's your starter for ten bamber |
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"When you say he is a Marxist, what do you mean by that?"
That, by his own admission, he subscribes to the ideology laid out by Karl Marx in Das Kapital. The book that set the prexedence of drivel before Hitler topped it with Mein Kampf. |
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