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Done well in the commons today when answering questions on the single market. We will not be tied to the rules of the single market but build a new model under new negotiations and become the world leader in free trade.  |
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"Done well in the commons today when answering questions on the single market. We will not be tied to the rules of the single market but build a new model under new negotiations and become the world leader in free trade. "
It was a very skilled and accomplished performance in only her second PMQs. She made Corbyn look the loonie confused Leftie he is and you could see his own MPs wanting to be somewhere else.
And she repeated the 'Free Trade' mantra time and again but the Lefties just don't get it at all. What is wrong with global free trade (by which we mean tariff free trade)?
She nailed the idea of another referendum or a Commons vote and the more the Remoaners like Angus Robertson, Pixie Balls-Cooper and Tim Farron made their smartarsed but stupid comments the better she looked.
These are the idiots who apparently believe we need to commit to full membership of the Single Market with all that entails (like Free Movement) despite the UK voting to leave the EU and by implication the Single Market and Free Movement!
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"She said nothing about when or how. She also said she isn't ruling anything in or out when it comes to negotiations. All we know is Brexit means Brexit. We are none the wiser about things."
Why should we be? Have you never negotiated?
But what she did say was good |
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And she repeated the 'Free Trade' mantra time and again but the Lefties just don't get it at all. What is wrong with global free trade (by which we mean tariff free trade)?"
They get it. They just don't like what it means.
Two types of people are left wing.
1. Lazy people with no ambition who want to be free riders.
2. People that feel guilty about having ambition.
Since the looney left consists more of the former than the latter, they fear free trade because it will hold down the wages of doing the bare minimum. It will force them to compete internationally with people who will do more than the bare minimum for the same money; and they won't want seconds of that. |
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There are plenty of issues and criticisms of free trade. Free trade unfortunately isn't as simple as 'lets have lots of lovely deals and everything will be great'.
There's a 'free trade debate' wikipedia page which has a good summary of pros and cons. |
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"There are plenty of issues and criticisms of free trade. Free trade unfortunately isn't as simple as 'lets have lots of lovely deals and everything will be great'.
There's a 'free trade debate' wikipedia page which has a good summary of pros and cons. "
Which of the arguements against free trade do you find convincing? |
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"Done well in the commons today when answering questions on the single market. We will not be tied to the rules of the single market but build a new model under new negotiations and become the world leader in free trade.
It was a very skilled and accomplished performance in only her second PMQs. She made Corbyn look the loonie confused Leftie he is and you could see his own MPs wanting to be somewhere else.
And she repeated the 'Free Trade' mantra time and again but the Lefties just don't get it at all. What is wrong with global free trade (by which we mean tariff free trade)?
She nailed the idea of another referendum or a Commons vote and the more the Remoaners like Angus Robertson, Pixie Balls-Cooper and Tim Farron made their smartarsed but stupid comments the better she looked.
These are the idiots who apparently believe we need to commit to full membership of the Single Market with all that entails (like Free Movement) despite the UK voting to leave the EU and by implication the Single Market and Free Movement!
Hilarious! "
I wouldn't be surprised if the UK and Australia decide to set up our own free trade commonwealth club. Non of this 'political union' bollocks you get with the EU, no making laws for other countries, no free movement of people, no centralisation of power, just a group of free trading countries and the terms kept simple. Early signs were good at the G20, and it seems Australia are chomping at the bit to trade with UK. |
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"Done well in the commons today when answering questions on the single market. We will not be tied to the rules of the single market but build a new model under new negotiations and become the world leader in free trade.
It was a very skilled and accomplished performance in only her second PMQs. She made Corbyn look the loonie confused Leftie he is and you could see his own MPs wanting to be somewhere else.
And she repeated the 'Free Trade' mantra time and again but the Lefties just don't get it at all. What is wrong with global free trade (by which we mean tariff free trade)?
She nailed the idea of another referendum or a Commons vote and the more the Remoaners like Angus Robertson, Pixie Balls-Cooper and Tim Farron made their smartarsed but stupid comments the better she looked.
These are the idiots who apparently believe we need to commit to full membership of the Single Market with all that entails (like Free Movement) despite the UK voting to leave the EU and by implication the Single Market and Free Movement!
Hilarious!
I wouldn't be surprised if the UK and Australia decide to set up our own free trade commonwealth club. Non of this 'political union' bollocks you get with the EU, no making laws for other countries, no free movement of people, no centralisation of power, just a group of free trading countries and the terms kept simple. Early signs were good at the G20, and it seems Australia are chomping at the bit to trade with UK. "
Exactly. I always find it rather amusing that the Europhiles put up the EEC and EU as some sort of ground breaking system because 8 countries agreed to free trade and limited bureaucracy. We did all that with the British Commonwealth (as was). The Commonwealth (as is) is a voluntary association of 53 independent and equal sovereign states. It is home to 2.2 billion citizens, of which over 60% are under the age of 30. No membership fee, limited free movement of people, no directives and Laws from unknown elites and leaders in Environmental and Human Rights issues. All with preferential Trade Tariffs.
And it was THIS we had to give up to sign up to the EEC of 8 countries. |
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When we joined the eec its economy was more then twice the size of the whole commonwealth. So was a no brainier back then. Things are not so clear the last few years. Mainly due to the growth of India in the last few years. |
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"When we joined the eec its economy was more then twice the size of the whole commonwealth. So was a no brainier back then. Things are not so clear the last few years. Mainly due to the growth of India in the last few years. "
....and the only continent with slower economic growth than the EU now being Antarctica.
As you mention India, it was India at the G20 a few days ago just one of the many countries who want trade deals with the UK now we are leaving the stagnating EU. |
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"When we joined the eec its economy was more then twice the size of the whole commonwealth. So was a no brainier back then. Things are not so clear the last few years. Mainly due to the growth of India in the last few years.
....and the only continent with slower economic growth than the EU now being Antarctica.
As you mention India, it was India at the G20 a few days ago just one of the many countries who want trade deals with the UK now we are leaving the stagnating EU. "
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What is putting the shits up Tusk and the EU is Theresa May is looking to create a Global Free Trade arrangement with all the big players and so far she is getting positive responses. Australia is forming a working group with the UK to further that ambition. And its no surprise that with the UK in the North / Atlantic then Australia in the South / Pacific sees a strategic role for herself plus a world of new trade with the Uk (which actually complement each other. Aussies don't make cars and we don't export minerals. Like who would object?
And once Tariffs are gone (or very low and equal) the whole purpose of the EU as a trading Customs Union disappears. All that will be left is the political ideology of a United States of Europe. Can anyone really see Germany staying in a Single Market constrained by high external Tariffs when all her major competitors are trading at zero Tariffs? |
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"What is putting the shits up Tusk and the EU is Theresa May is looking to create a Global Free Trade arrangement with all the big players and so far she is getting positive responses. Australia is forming a working group with the UK to further that ambition. And its no surprise that with the UK in the North / Atlantic then Australia in the South / Pacific sees a strategic role for herself plus a world of new trade with the Uk (which actually complement each other. Aussies don't make cars and we don't export minerals. Like who would object?
And once Tariffs are gone (or very low and equal) the whole purpose of the EU as a trading Customs Union disappears. All that will be left is the political ideology of a United States of Europe. Can anyone really see Germany staying in a Single Market constrained by high external Tariffs when all her major competitors are trading at zero Tariffs?"
Nope.
(Except maybe the usual and delusional on here  ) |
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"What is putting the shits up Tusk and the EU is Theresa May is looking to create a Global Free Trade arrangement with all the big players and so far she is getting positive responses. Australia is forming a working group with the UK to further that ambition. And its no surprise that with the UK in the North / Atlantic then Australia in the South / Pacific sees a strategic role for herself plus a world of new trade with the Uk (which actually complement each other. Aussies don't make cars and we don't export minerals. Like who would object?
And once Tariffs are gone (or very low and equal) the whole purpose of the EU as a trading Customs Union disappears. All that will be left is the political ideology of a United States of Europe. Can anyone really see Germany staying in a Single Market constrained by high external Tariffs when all her major competitors are trading at zero Tariffs?"
I was just reading an article in the newspaper about trade between the UK and Australia. The price of Fosters beer and Australian wine here in the UK will plummet as a result, likewise in Australia they will be able to get our Carling beer, and the various ciders we make at a reduced price. It will be very good for the British and Australian drinks businesses. Once other commonwealth countries get on board the sky is the limit and the EU will be a distant memory. |
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"Who will take the zero hour contracts and work for minimum wage at £6.50 in the fields for the farmers? I cant see british workers do it."
didn't they say that about the cotton pickers? And they were even cheaper |
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"Who will take the zero hour contracts and work for minimum wage at £6.50 in the fields for the farmers? I cant see british workers do it.
didn't they say that about the cotton pickers? And they were even cheaper "
I cant remember, but I watched britains hardest workers on bbc2 few week ago, did you? They was saying they needed foreigners to do the job and even some had illegals from north korea. |
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"Who will take the zero hour contracts and work for minimum wage at £6.50 in the fields for the farmers? I cant see british workers do it.
didn't they say that about the cotton pickers? And they were even cheaper I cant remember, but I watched britains hardest workers on bbc2 few week ago, did you? They was saying they needed foreigners to do the job and even some had illegals from north korea."
not surprised you don't remember, I was talking about the slaves in America
They will find a way, higher wages, temporary visas, or whatever, we used to go grape picking in France 30 years ago, no EU no problem |
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"Who will take the zero hour contracts and work for minimum wage at £6.50 in the fields for the farmers? I cant see british workers do it.
didn't they say that about the cotton pickers? And they were even cheaper I cant remember, but I watched britains hardest workers on bbc2 few week ago, did you? They was saying they needed foreigners to do the job and even some had illegals from north korea.
not surprised you don't remember, I was talking about the slaves in America
They will find a way, higher wages, temporary visas, or whatever, we used to go grape picking in France 30 years ago, no EU no problem "
That is right, that is why and yes the slaves there, but 30 years ago was then, culture have changed drastically since then tho and attitudes towards work and so on. |
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"Who will take the zero hour contracts and work for minimum wage at £6.50 in the fields for the farmers? I cant see british workers do it.
didn't they say that about the cotton pickers? And they were even cheaper I cant remember, but I watched britains hardest workers on bbc2 few week ago, did you? They was saying they needed foreigners to do the job and even some had illegals from north korea.
not surprised you don't remember, I was talking about the slaves in America
They will find a way, higher wages, temporary visas, or whatever, we used to go grape picking in France 30 years ago, no EU no problem That is right, that is why and yes the slaves there, but 30 years ago was then, culture have changed drastically since then tho and attitudes towards work and so on."
you mean people in the UK are now more fat and lazy? Fair point
but food has never been as cheap as it is now so if the price has to go up because of higher wages, well, hey ho, it might help with the obesity epidemic |
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"Who will take the zero hour contracts and work for minimum wage at £6.50 in the fields for the farmers? I cant see british workers do it."
Well given that 'Zero Hours Contracts' is something the EU gave us when we called it 'Part Time Employment' maybe its another EU appendage we can get rid of.
And who says there will not be anyone to do menial / horticultural work for example? The current view is an employer will advertise for British workers, if there are insufficient numbers he can apply for a foreign citizen employment visa and give them a job.
Oh and the National Minimum Wage is £7.20 if you are 25 and over. |
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Zero hours contracts are nothing to do with the eu. Most countries in the eu don"t have them and certainly not in the numbers the UK do. The eu did introduce the agency workers directive to try and give agency workers who make up most zero hour contract workers. But employers have pretty much side stepped so nothing has really changed. |
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"Zero hours contracts are nothing to do with the eu. Most countries in the eu don"t have them and certainly not in the numbers the UK do. The eu did introduce the agency workers directive to try and give agency workers who make up most zero hour contract workers. But employers have pretty much side stepped so nothing has really changed."
I am happy to be corrected but wasn't it a result of the EU Social Chapter or the UK opt outs or whatever? Tony Blair made a big deal about them in 1997 and did nothing... |
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The UK has used it's opt out of eu law quite a lot especially when it comes to employment. Governments of all persuasions favour a "flexible' workforce. Good for unemployment figure not so go for works rights especially for those at the bottom. |
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"The UK has used it's opt out of eu law quite a lot especially when it comes to employment. Governments of all persuasions favour a "flexible' workforce. Good for unemployment figure not so go for works rights especially for those at the bottom."
There was a survey (bear with me) of those on 'Zero Hours Contracts' and some 80% said it suited there lifestyles and family demands. Students and single mothers were especially happy with them.
A more detailed survey of full time and 'zero Hours' employees by the CIPD showed:
"Only 58% of UK employees said there were happy with their work-life balance, compared to 65% of those on zero-hours contracts"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25098984
People also are misled by the politicking that someone on Zero Hours does not have exactly the same rights and benefits as a full time employee when they do. And from May last year they also have the right to work for as many employers as they choose.
I am sadly old enough to remember when it was just called 'Part Time Work' and no one had a problem with it. 'Zero Hours' has become yet another Labour soundbite clarion call along with the equally misleading 'Bedroom Tax' as simply a Tory bashing slogan. And yet if it is such a bad thing why are Labour Councils among the biggest users of these contracts? |
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Strange as I don't know anyone who is happy on a zero hours contract  On zero hours you can't garantee a weeks work, or get a mortgage ect.
Zero hours contracts work only for the employer not the employees, I'm self employed so actually no garantee of work anytime  |
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"The UK has used it's opt out of eu law quite a lot especially when it comes to employment. Governments of all persuasions favour a "flexible' workforce. Good for unemployment figure not so go for works rights especially for those at the bottom.
There was a survey (bear with me) of those on 'Zero Hours Contracts' and some 80% said it suited there lifestyles and family demands. Students and single mothers were especially happy with them.
A more detailed survey of full time and 'zero Hours' employees by the CIPD showed:
"Only 58% of UK employees said there were happy with their work-life balance, compared to 65% of those on zero-hours contracts"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25098984
People also are misled by the politicking that someone on Zero Hours does not have exactly the same rights and benefits as a full time employee when they do. And from May last year they also have the right to work for as many employers as they choose.
I am sadly old enough to remember when it was just called 'Part Time Work' and no one had a problem with it. 'Zero Hours' has become yet another Labour soundbite clarion call along with the equally misleading 'Bedroom Tax' as simply a Tory bashing slogan. And yet if it is such a bad thing why are Labour Councils among the biggest users of these contracts?"
Because weather a labour council or one Tory it's all about business not for the good of the employees, they get things done as cheap as possible |
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