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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The lefts refusal to accept the democratic result of the referendum continues to divide the country. Leader writers and columnists continue to spout theories of the nation being lied to by the the vote leave groups (conveniently ignoring the great big porkies spouted by Remain). The chattering Islingtonistas and Gaurdian/BBCphiles continue to sight the massed battalions of 'expert' opinion which was ignored by the stupid electorate, or at least the 17.4M who ticked the leave box on the ballot paper (conveniently ignoring the forecasting track record and vested interests of many of the 'experts') and the air of superiority and self rightcheousness is almost overwhelming from people who claim to 'feel' more European than feel (sneeringly) 'little englanders'.
To all of those people who are now seemingly happy to ignore democracy I'd say this; I, along with millions of others in this country never once voted for Tony Blair, yet I accepted the democratic result and did not demand a re-run of the election. The point is this, the margin of Blairs victories, even his greatest landslide, was by a considerably narrower margin then the 'Leave' vote victory on the 23rd June. The prophets of doom who predict a cataclysmic implosion ahead for the UK conveniently ignore the real cataclysm which befell this country which was delivered by one Tony Blair (the real architect of Brexit) and his narcissistic quasi-religious zealotry which has created this 'happy land' that we now live in.
The sensible (not nesseseraly the most educated) people of this country have taken an 'instinctive' decision to set the country on a different course, one which departs from the accepted doctrine of the ruling liberal elite in the London bubble, which it is hoped (not guaranteed) will deliver a fairer society and make democracy count again in this country. |
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Owen Smith annoyed me when he said the Labour party should do all it can to stop the Tories triggering Article 50 and that we should have a 2nd referendum when we know what Brexit looks like. Well I might have missed something Owen but I believe the official Tory line was to back Remain, all the Tories are doing now is showing respect for democracy and carrying out the wishes of the majority of the electorate. Prick |
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"The lefts refusal to accept the democratic result of the referendum continues to divide the country. Leader writers and columnists continue to spout theories of the nation being lied to by the the vote leave groups (conveniently ignoring the great big porkies spouted by Remain). The chattering Islingtonistas and Gaurdian/BBCphiles continue to sight the massed battalions of 'expert' opinion which was ignored by the stupid electorate, or at least the 17.4M who ticked the leave box on the ballot paper (conveniently ignoring the forecasting track record and vested interests of many of the 'experts') and the air of superiority and self rightcheousness is almost overwhelming from people who claim to 'feel' more European than feel (sneeringly) 'little englanders'.
To all of those people who are now seemingly happy to ignore democracy I'd say this; I, along with millions of others in this country never once voted for Tony Blair, yet I accepted the democratic result and did not demand a re-run of the election. The point is this, the margin of Blairs victories, even his greatest landslide, was by a considerably narrower margin then the 'Leave' vote victory on the 23rd June. The prophets of doom who predict a cataclysmic implosion ahead for the UK conveniently ignore the real cataclysm which befell this country which was delivered by one Tony Blair (the real architect of Brexit) and his narcissistic quasi-religious zealotry which has created this 'happy land' that we now live in.
The sensible (not nesseseraly the most educated) people of this country have taken an 'instinctive' decision to set the country on a different course, one which departs from the accepted doctrine of the ruling liberal elite in the London bubble, which it is hoped (not guaranteed) will deliver a fairer society and make democracy count again in this country."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Owen Smith annoyed me when he said the Labour party should do all it can to stop the Tories triggering Article 50 and that we should have a 2nd referendum when we know what Brexit looks like. Well I might have missed something Owen but I believe the official Tory line was to back Remain, all the Tories are doing now is showing respect for democracy and carrying out the wishes of the majority of the electorate. Prick"
Being Pricks is the only thing the Lefties are good at ...  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief? "
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades. |
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades."
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Owen Smith annoyed me when he said the Labour party should do all it can to stop the Tories triggering Article 50 and that we should have a 2nd referendum when we know what Brexit looks like. Well I might have missed something Owen but I believe the official Tory line was to back Remain, all the Tories are doing now is showing respect for democracy and carrying out the wishes of the majority of the electorate. Prick"
If Owen Smith gets voted in, we will need a re-run of the vote, and if we don't like the re-run of the vote, we should do another, that is his pathetic logic, so where will it stop
oh and wait, my numbers didn't come up on the lottery draw, we should re-run the lottery draw
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required"
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position. |
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
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The uncertainty is to be expected. Everyone knew it would happen if there was a remain vote and the majority did it anyway. I didn't.
Lefties, people who believe that the public ownership of assets is the solution to problems, have clearly not studied the lessons of history or economics. |
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position."
Your position is no less secure within a 27 country EU than an Eu person working here in the UK. With one proviso: As long as the EU do not play politics with people's lives. In which case a lot of Brits will be either applying for foreign citizenship or returning home. And likewise about 2.5 million immigrants here in the UK. The UK has stated it wants the 'Status Quo' to remain for citizens but the EU? Just silence. |
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position."
Advised to get legal advice!! What exactly are they going to tell you? They don't know how the EU negotiations will go any more than we do! Only get legal advice if you want to pay a lot of money to be told maybe in several different ways. |
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"The lefts refusal to accept the democratic result of the referendum continues to divide the country. Leader writers and columnists continue to spout theories of the nation being lied to by the the vote leave groups (conveniently ignoring the great big porkies spouted by Remain). The chattering Islingtonistas and Gaurdian/BBCphiles continue to sight the massed battalions of 'expert' opinion which was ignored by the stupid electorate, or at least the 17.4M who ticked the leave box on the ballot paper (conveniently ignoring the forecasting track record and vested interests of many of the 'experts') and the air of superiority and self rightcheousness is almost overwhelming from people who claim to 'feel' more European than feel (sneeringly) 'little englanders'.
To all of those people who are now seemingly happy to ignore democracy I'd say this; I, along with millions of others in this country never once voted for Tony Blair, yet I accepted the democratic result and did not demand a re-run of the election. The point is this, the margin of Blairs victories, even his greatest landslide, was by a considerably narrower margin then the 'Leave' vote victory on the 23rd June. The prophets of doom who predict a cataclysmic implosion ahead for the UK conveniently ignore the real cataclysm which befell this country which was delivered by one Tony Blair (the real architect of Brexit) and his narcissistic quasi-religious zealotry which has created this 'happy land' that we now live in.
The sensible (not nesseseraly the most educated) people of this country have taken an 'instinctive' decision to set the country on a different course, one which departs from the accepted doctrine of the ruling liberal elite in the London bubble, which it is hoped (not guaranteed) will deliver a fairer society and make democracy count again in this country."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position.
Advised to get legal advice!! What exactly are they going to tell you? They don't know how the EU negotiations will go any more than we do! Only get legal advice if you want to pay a lot of money to be told maybe in several different ways. "
About ownership and protection of our assets. Not about the status. It's silly to ask about the EU. The dutch would politely tell me to f*** off and say we left our crystal ball for important issues.
So used to their directness. |
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I make no apologies for voting to remain - and I'm a million miles further right than most people here. My reasons were possibly more selfish - lying British politicians fucked up my chance of living and growing old in the land of my birth. My vote to remain was to stop lying British politicians from fucking up my chances of growing old in the land of my choosing.
Both sides lied through their teeth but the leave campaign led a better managed and marketed campaign.
I believe in democracy and that as a democratic country we should be in a position to make these important decisions. And as a democratic choice the results should be respected.
So let's get the show on the road and end the uncertainty. Maybe in twenty years time we will be laughing. Or maybe in twenty years time Britain will be the basket case it was close to becoming in the 70's. Let's just start the journey ffs.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I make no apologies for voting to remain - and I'm a million miles further right than most people here. My reasons were possibly more selfish - lying British politicians fucked up my chance of living and growing old in the land of my birth. My vote to remain was to stop lying British politicians from fucking up my chances of growing old in the land of my choosing.
Both sides lied through their teeth but the leave campaign led a better managed and marketed campaign.
I believe in democracy and that as a democratic country we should be in a position to make these important decisions. And as a democratic choice the results should be respected.
So let's get the show on the road and end the uncertainty. Maybe in twenty years time we will be laughing. Or maybe in twenty years time Britain will be the basket case it was close to becoming in the 70's. Let's just start the journey ffs.
Him"
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By *anny77Man
over a year ago
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I'm a "leftie" too and I voted remain. But we lost and I wish it would just happen now. All this fucking around waiting just seems stupid. Invoke article 50 and let's see where it takes us.
Did Hamlet teach us nothing about procrastination?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position.
Advised to get legal advice!! What exactly are they going to tell you? They don't know how the EU negotiations will go any more than we do! Only get legal advice if you want to pay a lot of money to be told maybe in several different ways.
About ownership and protection of our assets. Not about the status. It's silly to ask about the EU. The dutch would politely tell me to f*** off and say we left our crystal ball for important issues.
So used to their directness."
But surely your options depend on what happens in the negotiations? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'll accept it...... As much as the Euroskeptics accepted being in!  "
Difference is, the Eurosceptics, or anyone else for that matter, were never given the choice of whether or not they wanted to be in the EU |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'll accept it...... As much as the Euroskeptics accepted being in!
Difference is, the Eurosceptics, or anyone else for that matter, were never given the choice of whether or not they wanted to be in the EU"
Sure they were, it just happened, they just made the wrong choice is all |
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"I'll accept it...... As much as the Euroskeptics accepted being in!
Difference is, the Eurosceptics, or anyone else for that matter, were never given the choice of whether or not they wanted to be in the EU"
They were in 1975 when the majority chose to stay. Obviously times and circumstances change and a new referendum was called for. |
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"I'll accept it...... As much as the Euroskeptics accepted being in!
Difference is, the Eurosceptics, or anyone else for that matter, were never given the choice of whether or not they wanted to be in the EU
They were in 1975 when the majority chose to stay. Obviously times and circumstances change and a new referendum was called for."
The EU didn't exist in 1975 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position.
Advised to get legal advice!! What exactly are they going to tell you? They don't know how the EU negotiations will go any more than we do! Only get legal advice if you want to pay a lot of money to be told maybe in several different ways.
About ownership and protection of our assets. Not about the status. It's silly to ask about the EU. The dutch would politely tell me to f*** off and say we left our crystal ball for important issues.
So used to their directness.
But surely your options depend on what happens in the negotiations? "
Although advise can be sought now. The law won't change here. What may change are the conditions. Needing a work or resident permit, illegibibility for the tax discount, driving licence etc.
I may be advised to hand in my UK driving licence and get a dutch one for free since it's hassle free and prevent needing a test in the future. Or get an IND stamp in my passport to strengthen my living rights. Or to get citizenship which I'm able to apply for in less than 6 months. I may need a permanent work contract instead of the fixed time contract which helps employment law. A lot of advise can be given now.
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"It was formed November 1st 1993"
And when they tried to create it first the Danish (who WERE given a referendum) said no thanks. So they were told to vote again (with some add ons).
In the Treaty of Nice in 2001 The Irish rejetced it. And were told to vote again.
And when they tried to foist a 'Constitution' on us in 2005 France, Luxembourg and Holland rejected it. Not that we were asked of course.
Interestingly only two referendums have been held on forming the Euro. And both (in Denmark and Sweden) rejected the Euro. But they carried on the same.
So they went away and reprinted it with a different name: The Reform Treaty (aka Lisbon Treaty). Except the Irish voted it down. But again they were told to vote again... 
See how this political monstrosity works? Keep on with it until everyone gives up objecting or just ignore the objections and rename it. And probably why we were never asked until now. |
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Lefties, people who believe that the public ownership of assets is the solution to problems, have clearly not studied the lessons of history or economics. "
How familiar are you with Chile's history?
My father was a lefty, educated and suffered horrible things. He was a teacher. Although he still has a similar outlook in life, which has transformed over time he uses facts and experience to shape his way of thinking. So I know one lefty who doesn't think that way.
But he's a huge Corbyn fan for his campaign for Chile and marrying a Chilean refugee. But knows Corbyn won't be able to lead the party. He also accepts the referendum.
I guess us lefty foreigners are more accepting  |
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Lefties, people who believe that the public ownership of assets is the solution to problems, have clearly not studied the lessons of history or economics.
How familiar are you with Chile's history?
My father was a lefty, educated and suffered horrible things. He was a teacher. Although he still has a similar outlook in life, which has transformed over time he uses facts and experience to shape his way of thinking. So I know one lefty who doesn't think that way.
But he's a huge Corbyn fan for his campaign for Chile and marrying a Chilean refugee. But knows Corbyn won't be able to lead the party. He also accepts the referendum.
I guess us lefty foreigners are more accepting "
I know fuck all about Chile buddy. Other than it had a dictator called Pinochet. Please don't assume that I'm right wing just because I hate far left politics. I hate both extremes.
So Corbyn marries a Chilean woman and divorces her over one of the most pointless arguments ever and your dad thinks that's a good thing? |
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position.
Advised to get legal advice!! What exactly are they going to tell you? They don't know how the EU negotiations will go any more than we do! Only get legal advice if you want to pay a lot of money to be told maybe in several different ways.
About ownership and protection of our assets. Not about the status. It's silly to ask about the EU. The dutch would politely tell me to f*** off and say we left our crystal ball for important issues.
So used to their directness.
But surely your options depend on what happens in the negotiations?
Although advise can be sought now. The law won't change here. What may change are the conditions. Needing a work or resident permit, illegibibility for the tax discount, driving licence etc.
I may be advised to hand in my UK driving licence and get a dutch one for free since it's hassle free and prevent needing a test in the future. Or get an IND stamp in my passport to strengthen my living rights. Or to get citizenship which I'm able to apply for in less than 6 months. I may need a permanent work contract instead of the fixed time contract which helps employment law. A lot of advise can be given now.
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If you think it's worth it then go for it, I'm just trying to warn you that you might end up paying a lot of money for a big load of maybe. That's been my experience of legal advice anyway.
I have interests effected by leaving the EU (i.e in another EU country) but I don't personally feel there's anything a lawyer could tell me about them. |
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"Since when have lefties ever accepted facts as the basis for their belief?
I'm a lefty and pro EU. I accept facts. I accept the Brexit. I don't accept the waiting. I want to know if I need a work permit to stay out of Britain, if I keep my house in the EU. The uncertainty is unacceptable. Unless I missed the facts on what will happen to UK residents abroad.
I assume you mean left handed? To the 90% of righties. We want proper scissors in every household poor or rich. They just don't work for us!!! And take your bread knife and throw them in the bin. They create badly sliced bread for us lefties for decades.
if you have a good job your employer will ensure all paperwork required is in place when it is required, should it be required
I've already been advised to get legal advise about the house. Which I'll consult when things are clearer.
But it's true, employers will help out if they truly need you. Although I'm a few months away from full residency which should secure my position.
Advised to get legal advice!! What exactly are they going to tell you? They don't know how the EU negotiations will go any more than we do! Only get legal advice if you want to pay a lot of money to be told maybe in several different ways.
About ownership and protection of our assets. Not about the status. It's silly to ask about the EU. The dutch would politely tell me to f*** off and say we left our crystal ball for important issues.
So used to their directness.
But surely your options depend on what happens in the negotiations?
Although advise can be sought now. The law won't change here. What may change are the conditions. Needing a work or resident permit, illegibibility for the tax discount, driving licence etc.
I may be advised to hand in my UK driving licence and get a dutch one for free since it's hassle free and prevent needing a test in the future. Or get an IND stamp in my passport to strengthen my living rights. Or to get citizenship which I'm able to apply for in less than 6 months. I may need a permanent work contract instead of the fixed time contract which helps employment law. A lot of advise can be given now.
If you think it's worth it then go for it, I'm just trying to warn you that you might end up paying a lot of money for a big load of maybe. That's been my experience of legal advice anyway.
I have interests effected by leaving the EU (i.e in another EU country) but I don't personally feel there's anything a lawyer could tell me about them. "
I wouldn't pay money for it either. Luckily I have legal and HR and the local council to help. Plus lawyer friends. |
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Lefties, people who believe that the public ownership of assets is the solution to problems, have clearly not studied the lessons of history or economics.
How familiar are you with Chile's history?
My father was a lefty, educated and suffered horrible things. He was a teacher. Although he still has a similar outlook in life, which has transformed over time he uses facts and experience to shape his way of thinking. So I know one lefty who doesn't think that way.
But he's a huge Corbyn fan for his campaign for Chile and marrying a Chilean refugee. But knows Corbyn won't be able to lead the party. He also accepts the referendum.
I guess us lefty foreigners are more accepting
I know fuck all about Chile buddy. Other than it had a dictator called Pinochet. Please don't assume that I'm right wing just because I hate far left politics. I hate both extremes.
So Corbyn marries a Chilean woman and divorces her over one of the most pointless arguments ever and your dad thinks that's a good thing? "
No worries. I'm neither extreme either. My mind is more open because of my family history, my British and work culture.
About Corbyn's marriage, I'm not sure. Relationships break down. What's the divorce rate?
In 1999, his ex-wife admitted the breakdown of the marriage was because she accepted a position at a private school without consulting Corbyn. Given his views and being a part of Labour party, reporters would have made a scandal if it. I guess now he's labour leader they made a scandal of it anyway.
With the papers being biased, my other thread, it's hard to believe what you read. Although my father probably knows her personally. |
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Lefties, people who believe that the public ownership of assets is the solution to problems, have clearly not studied the lessons of history or economics.
How familiar are you with Chile's history?
My father was a lefty, educated and suffered horrible things. He was a teacher. Although he still has a similar outlook in life, which has transformed over time he uses facts and experience to shape his way of thinking. So I know one lefty who doesn't think that way.
But he's a huge Corbyn fan for his campaign for Chile and marrying a Chilean refugee. But knows Corbyn won't be able to lead the party. He also accepts the referendum.
I guess us lefty foreigners are more accepting
I know fuck all about Chile buddy. Other than it had a dictator called Pinochet. Please don't assume that I'm right wing just because I hate far left politics. I hate both extremes.
So Corbyn marries a Chilean woman and divorces her over one of the most pointless arguments ever and your dad thinks that's a good thing?
No worries. I'm neither extreme either. My mind is more open because of my family history, my British and work culture.
About Corbyn's marriage, I'm not sure. Relationships break down. What's the divorce rate?
In 1999, his ex-wife admitted the breakdown of the marriage was because she accepted a position at a private school without consulting Corbyn. Given his views and being a part of Labour party, reporters would have made a scandal if it. I guess now he's labour leader they made a scandal of it anyway.
With the papers being biased, my other thread, it's hard to believe what you read. Although my father probably knows her personally."
It was a grammar school, not a private one. Corbyn himself went to a grammar school. Now personally, I wouldn't get a woman pregnant before discussing matters that were that important to me. As a result of the divorce... the children go to grammar school all the same. So he didn't actually achieve anything (story of his life) by breaking up his family, I think that's rather pathetic personally.
The divorce rate of any marriage is 43% (from memory) but it drops substantially after 5, then 8 years of marriage. Corbyn got divorced to this wife (his second) after 12 years of marriage which is unusual, the divorce rate for an 8 year+ marriage is less than 15% I think. |
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The divorce rate of any marriage is 43% (from memory) but it drops substantially after 5, then 8 years of marriage. Corbyn got divorced to this wife (his second) after 12 years of marriage which is unusual, the divorce rate for an 8 year+ marriage is less than 15% I think. "
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Fair point. Since I'm from an inner city state school. So grammar and private schools are a big misconception for me. |
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The divorce rate of any marriage is 43% (from memory) but it drops substantially after 5, then 8 years of marriage. Corbyn got divorced to this wife (his second) after 12 years of marriage which is unusual, the divorce rate for an 8 year+ marriage is less than 15% I think.
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Fair point. Since I'm from an inner city state school. So grammar and private schools are a big misconception for me. "
Quite a lot of marriages fail in the first couple of years. To be honest that's probably sensible if you don't have kids yet and realise you made a mistake. There are also different rates for people that have been married before, which Corbyn had. To leave your wife and 3 kids over choice of school is irresponsible in my opinion. That's why I'm surprised your dad would have a good opinion of him for doing that to a Chilean woman! Especially since Chile is a more collectivist culture than the UK... |
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The divorce rate of any marriage is 43% (from memory) but it drops substantially after 5, then 8 years of marriage. Corbyn got divorced to this wife (his second) after 12 years of marriage which is unusual, the divorce rate for an 8 year+ marriage is less than 15% I think.
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Fair point. Since I'm from an inner city state school. So grammar and private schools are a big misconception for me.
Quite a lot of marriages fail in the first couple of years. To be honest that's probably sensible if you don't have kids yet and realise you made a mistake. There are also different rates for people that have been married before, which Corbyn had. To leave your wife and 3 kids over choice of school is irresponsible in my opinion. That's why I'm surprised your dad would have a good opinion of him for doing that to a Chilean woman! Especially since Chile is a more collectivist culture than the UK... "
He isn't a Corbynista. But how his marriage broke down does not wipe out the cause he fought for.
For example, the Scottish factory workers refused to work on Rolls Royce engines because they were being used to bomb the Chilean presidential palace. They probably saved thousands of lives. Their failed marriage doesn't undo that. Even if they married a Chilean woman. |
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The divorce rate of any marriage is 43% (from memory) but it drops substantially after 5, then 8 years of marriage. Corbyn got divorced to this wife (his second) after 12 years of marriage which is unusual, the divorce rate for an 8 year+ marriage is less than 15% I think.
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Fair point. Since I'm from an inner city state school. So grammar and private schools are a big misconception for me.
Quite a lot of marriages fail in the first couple of years. To be honest that's probably sensible if you don't have kids yet and realise you made a mistake. There are also different rates for people that have been married before, which Corbyn had. To leave your wife and 3 kids over choice of school is irresponsible in my opinion. That's why I'm surprised your dad would have a good opinion of him for doing that to a Chilean woman! Especially since Chile is a more collectivist culture than the UK...
He isn't a Corbynista. But how his marriage broke down does not wipe out the cause he fought for.
For example, the Scottish factory workers refused to work on Rolls Royce engines because they were being used to bomb the Chilean presidential palace. They probably saved thousands of lives. Their failed marriage doesn't undo that. Even if they married a Chilean woman."
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