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"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? " yes so that they can shoot the foreigners the sharks didn't eat | |||
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"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? yes so that they can shoot the foreigners the sharks didn't eat" So that's why the gardia civil have guns and there's me thinking there guns were for all silly me ...best i start wearing my sombrero ..no wait I'll be ok there slightly less racist the average brexiter | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? " Does it help in France? | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? Does it help in France? " Bad as the Paris and Nice attacks were, they would have been much worse had it not been for the fact that very heavily armed Police were on the scene. | |||
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"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? Does it help in France? Bad as the Paris and Nice attacks were, they would have been much worse had it not been for the fact that very heavily armed Police were on the scene. " But one of the criticisms of the French security forces is also that they tend to have a reactive stance on these things and just go in all guns blazing at the end. I don't know enough about policing to say which point is worth more weight. | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? Does it help in France? Bad as the Paris and Nice attacks were, they would have been much worse had it not been for the fact that very heavily armed Police were on the scene. But one of the criticisms of the French security forces is also that they tend to have a reactive stance on these things and just go in all guns blazing at the end. I don't know enough about policing to say which point is worth more weight. " Do you think that armed British police would cause the same problem? | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? Does it help in France? Bad as the Paris and Nice attacks were, they would have been much worse had it not been for the fact that very heavily armed Police were on the scene. But one of the criticisms of the French security forces is also that they tend to have a reactive stance on these things and just go in all guns blazing at the end. I don't know enough about policing to say which point is worth more weight. Do you think that armed British police would cause the same problem?" I believe that the nature of leaders in public institutions is to delay decisions as long as possible. But as I say, I don't know enough about policing to weight that trade off. Personally if the police want them then I'd let them have them. That's consistent with my stance on nuclear weapons and the MOD. If you give someone a job to do then you don't tell them how to do it. | |||
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"Martial law is coming soon to a country near you. " Before or after the apocalypse? | |||
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"I have news for you OP, our police are always armed when on duty, just not with firearms." good bloody job because they are very poor shot's Some of them who visit the range we shoot at are neither good in firearm handling nor a good shot | |||
"Before. Very soon, just wait and see" OK, when we're all dead then you can say "I told you so" | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? " which firearms should they be armed with (as in hand gun make & model) rifle make & model)?? | |||
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"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? which firearms should they be armed with (as in hand gun make & model) rifle make & model)??" Mini Uzi smg. To allow for them being poor shots | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? which firearms should they be armed with (as in hand gun make & model) rifle make & model)??" I enjoy talking about guns as much as the next guy, but would difference would that make to the principle of armed vs non-armed policing? | |||
"Martial law is coming soon to a country near you. " Sounds like you're looking forward to it. | |||
"Before. Very soon, just wait and see OK, when we're all dead then you can say "I told you so"" When we are all dead? You can see this happening all around the world. Do you not watch the news? There is a huge change in the way countries are dealing with issues. Every other day there is a new terrorist attack or some crazy person shooting up something. Here in the US, why are military vehicles and soldiers so much more visable and in metro/urban areas? Shit is about to hit the fan. I wont change the way I live my life, but we are in dire times. Changes are happening right in front of our eyes but we just overlook many things or look the other way. | |||
"Martial law is coming soon to a country near you. Sounds like you're looking forward to it." Hell no i am not looking forward to it | |||
"Before. Very soon, just wait and see OK, when we're all dead then you can say "I told you so" When we are all dead? You can see this happening all around the world. Do you not watch the news? There is a huge change in the way countries are dealing with issues. Every other day there is a new terrorist attack or some crazy person shooting up something. Here in the US, why are military vehicles and soldiers so much more visable and in metro/urban areas? Shit is about to hit the fan. I wont change the way I live my life, but we are in dire times. Changes are happening right in front of our eyes but we just overlook many things or look the other way. " Yeah I watch the news but I'm also not afraid to question it. As a point of a fact, a study by the university of pennsylvania found that predictions made in the news perform worse than guessing. Usually because they only bring people at the extremes onto the shows and the truth is somewhere in the middle. | |||
"Martial law is coming soon to a country near you. Before or after the apocalypse? " Tha apocalypse can't come yet. Magrat stole pestilences horse! | |||
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"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? Does it help in France? Bad as the Paris and Nice attacks were, they would have been much worse had it not been for the fact that very heavily armed Police were on the scene. But one of the criticisms of the French security forces is also that they tend to have a reactive stance on these things and just go in all guns blazing at the end. I don't know enough about policing to say which point is worth more weight. Do you think that armed British police would cause the same problem? I believe that the nature of leaders in public institutions is to delay decisions as long as possible. But as I say, I don't know enough about policing to weight that trade off. Personally if the police want them then I'd let them have them. That's consistent with my stance on nuclear weapons and the MOD. If you give someone a job to do then you don't tell them how to do it. " Personally I am still debating between two sides of myself on nuclear deterrents. But generally I agree with what you have said, if a group of people have been given jobs to control a certain area of government or a business, and they say we don't or do need this, then trust them on it. If you can't trust them, then you most likely haven't picked the best candidates, and if their judgement is incorrect out rightly, then replace them with somebody more competent. | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? which firearms should they be armed with (as in hand gun make & model) rifle make & model)?? I enjoy talking about guns as much as the next guy, but would difference would that make to the principle of armed vs non-armed policing? " I do not think we need it excessively, and a big part of me is currently against it. However, perhaps to reassure members of the public who are scared of terror threats, perhaps a slight increase in armed policing, in metropolitan hubs would be beneficial. But then again, I don't work for the police, intelligence agency, or armed forces so I am not in a position to put forward the best methods of prevention and neutralising a threat if it came to it. | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons" The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. " if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. | |||
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"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? Does it help in France? " Yes | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment." Like what? | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. Like what? " countless acts of stupid shit in the spur of the moment ...... here's a recent one featuring some real idiotic cunts in blue uniforms being caught out by sousveilance | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. Like what? countless acts of stupid shit in the spur of the moment ...... here's a recent one featuring some real idiotic cunts in blue uniforms being caught out by sousveilance" I don't know what you are talking about. Although there is always room for improvement, I have always been happy with the standard of policing in the UK. I certainly dont look at other countries and think "I wish we had their police here" | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. Like what? countless acts of stupid shit in the spur of the moment ...... here's a recent one featuring some real idiotic cunts in blue uniforms being caught out by sousveilance I don't know what you are talking about. Although there is always room for improvement, I have always been happy with the standard of policing in the UK. I certainly dont look at other countries and think "I wish we had their police here" " what about Batman? | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. Like what? countless acts of stupid shit in the spur of the moment ...... here's a recent one featuring some real idiotic cunts in blue uniforms being caught out by sousveilance I don't know what you are talking about. Although there is always room for improvement, I have always been happy with the standard of policing in the UK. I certainly dont look at other countries and think "I wish we had their police here" what about Batman?" More total bollocks from yourself !!!!! | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. Like what? countless acts of stupid shit in the spur of the moment ...... here's a recent one featuring some real idiotic cunts in blue uniforms being caught out by sousveilance I don't know what you are talking about. Although there is always room for improvement, I have always been happy with the standard of policing in the UK. I certainly dont look at other countries and think "I wish we had their police here" " So you dont mind that british criminals are not scared one bit of our police or our justice system Personally id love germany or spains police and id love singapores police and justice system | |||
"with the police track record for constantly doing stupid shit on the spur of the moment, then it's probably not a great idea to give them any more weapons The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. if they had no guns they wouldn't have fired once would they ..... lets keep it at 7 or preferably less by not putting temptation in harms way and giving them firearms, because as proven, they regularly do lots of stupid shit on the spur of the moment. Like what? countless acts of stupid shit in the spur of the moment ...... here's a recent one featuring some real idiotic cunts in blue uniforms being caught out by sousveilance I don't know what you are talking about. Although there is always room for improvement, I have always been happy with the standard of policing in the UK. I certainly dont look at other countries and think "I wish we had their police here" So you dont mind that british criminals are not scared one bit of our police or our justice system Personally id love germany or spains police and id love singapores police and justice system " Singapore is nice, felt very safe there. Then again, if we had their weather then the local hoodlums would be less keen to hang around on street corners. | |||
"The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. " The number of times firearms are used is not the issue. The issue is how many times were firearms used correctly (that is in a timely fashion and without there being serious questions after the shootings about justification or police competence). I would suggest that if you look at the police record since the withdrawal of routine MACP where firearms were required, that the number of questionable police shootings has risen dramatically. The bottom line is police and guns don't mix well. It is simply police do not have time for the continual training required to make use of firearms a conditioned reflex thus freeing up the mind for target identification that an infanteer spends 20 to 30 hours a week honing when not on active service. Just to be clear the military have the same problem when they have to use non infantry personnel in infantry rolls. | |||
"The police only fired 7 times in the period March 2015 - March 2016 so I think they have a good track record of being responsible. The number of times firearms are used is not the issue. The issue is how many times were firearms used correctly (that is in a timely fashion and without there being serious questions after the shootings about justification or police competence). I would suggest that if you look at the police record since the withdrawal of routine MACP where firearms were required, that the number of questionable police shootings has risen dramatically. The bottom line is police and guns don't mix well. It is simply police do not have time for the continual training required to make use of firearms a conditioned reflex thus freeing up the mind for target identification that an infanteer spends 20 to 30 hours a week honing when not on active service. Just to be clear the military have the same problem when they have to use non infantry personnel in infantry rolls." The infantry in the UK dont spend anything remotely close to 20-30 hours a week using their firearms! Policing is very different to soldiering and that's why soldiers perform so poorly when asked to fulfil that role. Having a thorough investigation when a firearm is discharged is what I expect in an open and transparent society with the rule of law applied to everyone, police included. | |||
"The infantry in the UK dont spend anything remotely close to 20-30 hours a week using their firearms! Policing is very different to soldiering and that's why soldiers perform so poorly when asked to fulfil that role. Having a thorough investigation when a firearm is discharged is what I expect in an open and transparent society with the rule of law applied to everyone, police included. " Firstly, if you don't think infantry spend 20 to 30 hours a week on infantry training and honing combat infantry skills (when not deployed), which are centred on effective use of weapons skills, what do you think they do? Secondly you are correct about soldiers not making good police, but that works in reverse as well. And my whole point is that as soon as police change rolls from maintaining public order and detecting crime, to a use of weapons and close combat tactics to restore public order or remove an armed threat the skills required are no longer police skills but are infantry skills and when police are required to act as infantry thing will go seriously wrong a lot more often that if infantry were used to restore order. As for your last point about investigations, and police accountability. The truth is we all know police are not accountable, and nearly all investigations into police are at best whitewashes and at worst exercises in mass corruption. Further if we are being honest with ourselves we all know that this will always be the case when police investigate police (be they serving officers or former police officers now acting as IPCA investigators). | |||
"The infantry in the UK dont spend anything remotely close to 20-30 hours a week using their firearms! Policing is very different to soldiering and that's why soldiers perform so poorly when asked to fulfil that role. Having a thorough investigation when a firearm is discharged is what I expect in an open and transparent society with the rule of law applied to everyone, police included. Firstly, if you don't think infantry spend 20 to 30 hours a week on infantry training and honing combat infantry skills (when not deployed), which are centred on effective use of weapons skills, what do you think they do? Secondly you are correct about soldiers not making good police, but that works in reverse as well. And my whole point is that as soon as police change rolls from maintaining public order and detecting crime, to a use of weapons and close combat tactics to restore public order or remove an armed threat the skills required are no longer police skills but are infantry skills and when police are required to act as infantry thing will go seriously wrong a lot more often that if infantry were used to restore order. As for your last point about investigations, and police accountability. The truth is we all know police are not accountable, and nearly all investigations into police are at best whitewashes and at worst exercises in mass corruption. Further if we are being honest with ourselves we all know that this will always be the case when police investigate police (be they serving officers or former police officers now acting as IPCA investigators)." A couple of hours a week for a squadie on a firing range many hours on manoeuvres some in urban environment not much use as an armed alternative to the police | |||
"A couple of hours a week for a squadie on a firing range many hours on manoeuvres some in urban environment not much use as an armed alternative to the police " If that is the case then things have changed a lot since my day. I used to spend at least a day (10hrs or so) a week on a range (sometimes longer if getting ready for a shooting comp or deployment) and the same amount of time in an indoor ETR. Of course when on exercise or deployment my timetable would change. (By the way, there was a police warrant card in my Pfile that was issued to me on more than 1 occasion.) | |||
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"So its all falling apart in Mainland Europe (I avoid the term 'EU' as it starts arguments) and we can see that the French are not really that good at stopping either home grown or foreign terrorists. Neither apparently are Belgians. Germany seem to be able to react but not stop attacks. I just hope we Brits can keep a sense of balance about all this. We have armed police if necessary but where we are better than everyone else is in our Intelligence (MI5, MI6) capabilities where we stop people before they kill people. When was the last (Islamic) terrorist attack in the UK? 2013 when Lee Rigby was killed by two people in a BMW? And before that? Ignoring a car in the front door of Glasgow airport in 2007 you have to go back 11 years to 2005 and the London bombings where 56 people were killed. Before that it was all IRA bombs. We are basically an anti-gun society and have led the way in gun control and I would hate to see the ISIS nutters abroad drive us towards the even bigger nutters of the USA gun lobby." Actually last terrorist attack in UK was the killing of Jo Cox. Politically motivated killing is a terrorist killing. Why does it have to be 'Islamic'? Or are white Christians not capable of being terrorists? | |||
"Actually last terrorist attack in UK was the killing of Jo Cox. Politically motivated killing is a terrorist killing. Why does it have to be 'Islamic'? Or are white Christians not capable of being terrorists?" It is such a pity that our leaders corrupt and devalue language to further their political ambitions. Our politicians are too quick to label things as terrorism. The attack on Jo Cox was not terrorism, although calling it such provides some with political capital. The republican attacks on British targets were not terrorism although again categorising them as such removed their legitimacy and justified our governments response. Fact is the 'troubles' in NI were an insurgency caused by British government policy over hundreds of years in Ireland. The attack on Jo Cox was a politically motivated act of violence, but not terrorism. Terrorism is the use of unprovoked violence against third parties because they refuse to give aid and support in attacking someone else and we would do well to understand this. After all any use of extreme violence causes terror, but we would not refer to an armed robbery where violence was used as a terrorist attack. | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? " They are anyway?? Bobbies on the beat aren't but every notable target will have an armed guard. | |||
"So its all falling apart in Mainland Europe (I avoid the term 'EU' as it starts arguments) and we can see that the French are not really that good at stopping either home grown or foreign terrorists. Neither apparently are Belgians. Germany seem to be able to react but not stop attacks. I just hope we Brits can keep a sense of balance about all this. We have armed police if necessary but where we are better than everyone else is in our Intelligence (MI5, MI6) capabilities where we stop people before they kill people. When was the last (Islamic) terrorist attack in the UK? 2013 when Lee Rigby was killed by two people in a BMW? And before that? Ignoring a car in the front door of Glasgow airport in 2007 you have to go back 11 years to 2005 and the London bombings where 56 people were killed. Before that it was all IRA bombs. We are basically an anti-gun society and have led the way in gun control and I would hate to see the ISIS nutters abroad drive us towards the even bigger nutters of the USA gun lobby. Actually last terrorist attack in UK was the killing of Jo Cox. Politically motivated killing is a terrorist killing. Why does it have to be 'Islamic'? Or are white Christians not capable of being terrorists?" Sorry I must disagree. Jo Cox was murdered by a deranged man with major mental illness issues who had asked for help and been refused that help. Prior to this attack he had shown no racist or political interests. In fact his brother is mixed race and they got on well. He was a loving son and worked out his disabilities by keeping busy and helping local pensioners in their gardens. It was a murder. Sadly that simple. There was no 'terrorist' element to it at all as he was not part of any known terrorist organisation. | |||
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"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts" Throughout history, left wing people and governments have proven to be far better at killing people than the right. | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Throughout history, left wing people and governments have proven to be far better at killing people than the right. " despite the fact that that's not a fact, that non-fact didn't stop jo cox mp from being murdered by a right wing separatist did it? | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Throughout history, left wing people and governments have proven to be far better at killing people than the right. "  | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Throughout history, left wing people and governments have proven to be far better at killing people than the right. despite the fact that that's not a fact, that non-fact didn't stop jo cox mp from being murdered by a right wing separatist did it?" It is a fact, Mao and Stalin were competing to see how many they could kill like two teenagers playing Call of Duty. | |||
"It is a fact, Mao and Stalin were competing to see how many they could kill like two teenagers playing Call of Duty. " dosen't alter the fact that your eronious statement is still complete horse shit though .... and it doesn't alter the fact that jo cox mp was murdered by a right wing separatist either | |||
"It is a fact, Mao and Stalin were competing to see how many they could kill like two teenagers playing Call of Duty. dosen't alter the fact that your eronious statement is still complete horse shit though .... and it doesn't alter the fact that jo cox mp was murdered by a right wing separatist either" Sorry I don't have time to list all the people killed by the far left. Too many hundreds of millions. | |||
"Sorry I don't have time to list all the people killed by the far left. Too many hundreds of millions. " you don't have to, unless you back it up with proof your premise is still complete and utter horse shit | |||
"Sorry I don't have time to list all the people killed by the far left. Too many hundreds of millions. you don't have to, unless you back it up with proof your premise is still complete and utter horse shit " Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. | |||
"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. " that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit | |||
"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit " The facts are always a conspiracy to delusional lefties. Anoher inconvenient fact to your conspiracy theory is that university professors are overwhelmingly more left wing than right. | |||
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"Anoher inconvenient fact to your conspiracy theory is that university professors are overwhelmingly more left wing than right. " proof? | |||
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"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit " Are you seriously trying to deny that stalin killed over 50,000 people or tha mass graves were not found in the fields of cambodia that china had tanks run people over in tianmenen square that mugabe didnt force white farmers off their land and dissappeared thousands of others because if you are you are just as bad as those who would deny the holocaust | |||
"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit Are you seriously trying to deny that stalin killed over 50,000 people or tha mass graves were not found in the fields of cambodia that china had tanks run people over in tianmenen square that mugabe didnt force white farmers off their land and dissappeared thousands of others because if you are you are just as bad as those who would deny the holocaust" no, you've said all that not me | |||
"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit The facts are always a conspiracy to delusional lefties. Anoher inconvenient fact to your conspiracy theory is that university professors are overwhelmingly more left wing than right. " I don't want to get involved in a personal argument, but I'm not sure this is true. Certainly more university lecturers are politically aware and are good for media soundbites but in my experience of working in academia (in an area one might consider to be traditionally liberal) there are people with all kinds of political views and none. | |||
"Anoher inconvenient fact to your conspiracy theory is that university professors are overwhelmingly more left wing than right. proof?" I posted a link but got a forum ban for my efforts. You can search this in google: Moving Further to the Left Survey finds notable increase in proportion of professors who identify as "far left" or liberal, and declines for all other groups. Academics, on average, lean to the left. A survey being released today suggests that they are moving even more in that direction. Among full-time faculty members at four-year colleges and universities, the percentage identifying as "far left" or liberal has increased notably in the last three years, while the percentage identifying in three other political categories has declined. The data come from the University of California at Los Angeles Higher Education Research Institute, which surveys faculty members nationwide every three years on a range of attitudes. I look forward to your proof that Stalin and Mao did not murder tens of milliions | |||
"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit The facts are always a conspiracy to delusional lefties. Anoher inconvenient fact to your conspiracy theory is that university professors are overwhelmingly more left wing than right. I don't want to get involved in a personal argument, but I'm not sure this is true. Certainly more university lecturers are politically aware and are good for media soundbites but in my experience of working in academia (in an area one might consider to be traditionally liberal) there are people with all kinds of political views and none. " See above | |||
"Proof is when you pick up a history book and read about Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein and all the other left wing dictators. Sorry if history inconveniences your cuddly view of lefties. that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book ..... so yet another premise that's complete horse shit Are you seriously trying to deny that stalin killed over 50,000 people or tha mass graves were not found in the fields of cambodia that china had tanks run people over in tianmenen square that mugabe didnt force white farmers off their land and dissappeared thousands of others because if you are you are just as bad as those who would deny the holocaust" 50,000!!! Between him and Hitler they killed more than 20m Ukrainians alone!!!! | |||
"I look forward to your proof that Stalin and Mao did not murder tens of milliions" you wasted your time .... i didn'y imply that stalin and mao didn't kill people ..... i asked you for proof of you wild statement that they killed more people than right wingers - basically complete cunts the data i found from your google suggestion .... all about american institutions, nothing about british or specifically russell group you better let the OP have their thread back now .... end transmission | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? " No | |||
"I look forward to your proof that Stalin and Mao did not murder tens of milliions you wasted your time .... i didn'y imply that stalin and mao didn't kill people ..... i asked you for proof of you wild statement that they killed more people than right wingers - basically complete cunts the data i found from your google suggestion .... all about american institutions, nothing about british or specifically russell group " Yes I'm sure British universities are uniquely right wing 
It's sad that you can't admit when you're wrong, everyone else has to provide proof for their views but you never have a scrap of proof for your own. I guess that comes with the territory for the looney left. | |||
"I look forward to your proof that Stalin and Mao did not murder tens of milliions you wasted your time .... i didn'y imply that stalin and mao didn't kill people ..... i asked you for proof of you wild statement that they killed more people than right wingers - basically complete cunts the data i found from your google suggestion .... all about american institutions, nothing about british or specifically russell group Yes I'm sure British universities are uniquely right wing
It's sad that you can't admit when you're wrong, everyone else has to provide proof for their views but you never have a scrap of proof for your own. I guess that comes with the territory for the looney left. "it's not me who makes rash statements though is it .... so deal with it | |||
"I look forward to your proof that Stalin and Mao did not murder tens of milliions you wasted your time .... i didn'y imply that stalin and mao didn't kill people ..... i asked you for proof of you wild statement that they killed more people than right wingers - basically complete cunts the data i found from your google suggestion .... all about american institutions, nothing about british or specifically russell group Yes I'm sure British universities are uniquely right wing
It's sad that you can't admit when you're wrong, everyone else has to provide proof for their views but you never have a scrap of proof for your own. I guess that comes with the territory for the looney left.
it's not me who makes rash statements though is it .... so deal with it"Deal with the facts - your left wing hero's killed more people than the right wing dictators, the figures are in all the history books for you to read - the Russell group teaches a syllabus based on all the international evidence, a lot of which comes from USA - the USA has a proven left wing bias in its academics, there's no evidence or reason to think the UK is different So there is no conspiracy, you're just wrong. You go around calling every right winger "cunts" but it's only because you are deluded. | |||
" Deal with the facts - your left wing hero's killed more people than the right wing dictators, the figures are in all the history books for you to read - the Russell group teaches a syllabus based on all the international evidence, a lot of which comes from USA - the USA has a proven left wing bias in its academics, there's no evidence or reason to think the UK is different So there is no conspiracy, you're just wrong. You go around calling every right winger "cunts" but it's only because you are deluded. " there you go again .... just back up the statements you're trying to pass off as fact with some proof .... it's pretty simple and it's what every institution of higher education teaches it's students if you haven't forgotten already. | |||
" Deal with the facts - your left wing hero's killed more people than the right wing dictators, the figures are in all the history books for you to read - the Russell group teaches a syllabus based on all the international evidence, a lot of which comes from USA - the USA has a proven left wing bias in its academics, there's no evidence or reason to think the UK is different So there is no conspiracy, you're just wrong. You go around calling every right winger "cunts" but it's only because you are deluded. there you go again .... just back up the statements you're trying to pass off as fact with some proof .... it's pretty simple and it's what every institution of higher education teaches it's students if you haven't forgotten already." What facts did the institution they released you from give you to back up your statement that all right wingers are cunts? | |||
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"What facts did the institution they released you from give you to back up your statement that all right wingers are cunts?" where did i say all? you're being crass now ..... are you really a right winger? | |||
"What facts did the institution they released you from give you to back up your statement that all right wingers are cunts? where did i say all? you're being crass now ..... are you really a right winger? " Your earlier post on here about Jo Cox being murdered, along with just about every thread you post on. Now if you can just return back under the bridge. Thanks. | |||
"What facts did the institution they released you from give you to back up your statement that all right wingers are cunts? where did i say all? you're being crass now ..... are you really a right winger? Your earlier post on here about Jo Cox being murdered, along with just about every thread you post on." wrong .... try re-reading my post | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts" Seeming as your now denying saying this i went back through the thread and surprise surprise its there in print | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Seeming as your now denying saying this i went back through the thread and surprise surprise its there in print" He's deny saying "all" right wingers are cunts because he says "average". It's basically because he lost the arguement about his little russell group conspiracy so he's clinging on to anything that makes him feel that he's actually right. | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Seeming as your now denying saying this i went back through the thread and surprise surprise its there in print" where in that scentence does it say "all right wingers are cunts"? .... which is what i'm accused of saying. it doesn't does it .... would you like a damp cloth for that egg on your visage? | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Seeming as your now denying saying this i went back through the thread and surprise surprise its there in print He's deny saying "all" right wingers are cunts because he says "average". It's basically because he lost the arguement about his little russell group conspiracy so he's clinging on to anything that makes him feel that he's actually right. " what conspiracy? .... again you just make shit up for your own purpose. | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Seeming as your now denying saying this i went back through the thread and surprise surprise its there in print He's deny saying "all" right wingers are cunts because he says "average". It's basically because he lost the arguement about his little russell group conspiracy so he's clinging on to anything that makes him feel that he's actually right. what conspiracy? .... again you just make shit up for your own purpose." Quote: "that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book" That's your conspiracy. You have no evidence Russell Group is right wing, other than everyone being right of your own personal view. I have evidence that universities have a left wing bias. My evidence comes from the US, where the Russell Group gets about half it's text books. You'd know this if you actually went to a russell group university. | |||
"jo cox was murdered by a extreme right wing separatist ..... right wingers - basically complete cunts Seeming as your now denying saying this i went back through the thread and surprise surprise its there in print where in that scentence does it say "all right wingers are cunts"? .... which is what i'm accused of saying. it doesn't does it .... would you like a damp cloth for that egg on your visage?" Well actually if you had listened in your english class, you would know this : you have not put some right wingers just right wingers so you imply you mean all and by putting the score you are then defining all right wingers as cunts | |||
"Well actually if you had listened in your english class, you would know this : you have not put some right wingers just right wingers so you imply you mean all and by putting the score you are then defining all right wingers as cunts" i implied nothing .... on the contrary, it is you who has erroneously inferred something | |||
"Quote: "that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book" That's your conspiracy. " yeah man, that's like real david ike shit innit? "You have no evidence Russell Group is right wing, other than everyone being right of your own personal view. I have evidence that universities have a left wing bias. " within the forum rules we currently have exactly the same amount of evidence as each other. "My evidence comes from the US, where the Russell Group gets about half it's text books. " so evidence about the political leanings of american colleges is transferable evidence as to the political leanings of british universities now is it? laughable end transmission ..... | |||
"Quote: "that might be true in the pro-right wing russell group colleges but in the real world proof is more than what's printed in a right leaning book" That's your conspiracy. yeah man, that's like real david ike shit innit? You have no evidence Russell Group is right wing, other than everyone being right of your own personal view. I have evidence that universities have a left wing bias. within the forum rules we currently have exactly the same amount of evidence as each other. My evidence comes from the US, where the Russell Group gets about half it's text books. so evidence about the political leanings of american colleges is transferable evidence as to the political leanings of british universities now is it? laughable end transmission ..... " As ever, no evidence from yourself to support your views. All you do is try and poke holes in other people's evidence when your own is absent, still at least you get to follow in the footsteps of Marx in that respect. | |||
" All you do is try and poke holes in other people's evidence " i haven't poked holes in your evidence .... i have merely acknowledged that you supply no evidence | |||
" All you do is try and poke holes in other people's evidence i haven't poked holes in your evidence .... i have merely acknowledged that you supply no evidence" The average, reasonably intelligent reader of the thread can see that I have and that you have not. I do not care about your semantic arguements so won't be replying again. | |||
"Well actually if you had listened in your english class, you would know this : you have not put some right wingers just right wingers so you imply you mean all and by putting the score you are then defining all right wingers as cunts i implied nothing .... on the contrary, it is you who has erroneously inferred something" An implied term is as binding as an expressed term. Although I will admit to one error. It isn't a bridge you need to go back under, its a rock.  | |||
"In light of recent terrorist attacks, is it time for police in the UK to be routinely armed? " No | |||
