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Cameron sought "vow mk2" to swing referendum
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Having swayed the result of the Scottish referendum with the infamous vow, delivered by the union's useful idiot Gordon Brown, David Cameron, we are informed, was in a similar panic at the way the polls were going and asked Angela Merkel at the eleventh hour for a concession on allowing limited control over single market travel rights.
Fortunately, Merkel refused to assist with this and the rest is history - as is Cameron.
Chances are that the United Kingdom is also destined to be consigned to history. Irish reunification now looks more likely (and logical) than not, while indyref 2, when it comes in the not too distant future, looks likely to succeed, given the UK-wide rejection of Project Fear as a tactic, the disillusion with the botched delivery of the vow's expectations, Scotland's desire to remain within the EU and the democratic deficit over the renewal of trident and its continued location in Scotland. |
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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I cant see the protestant vote in Ireland going for unification and the oil price has sunk any chance of scotland being able to survive financially, if the snp really think its a goer then if I was scottish I would be very worried as to their competence to run a country |
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Protestants may be in a minority by now, but the Republic is now a secular state and more prosperous than formerly. Moreover, the younger generations are less likely to follow traditional religion-based political choices than their grandparents. It is only two weeks since the "labour vote" showed that traditional notions of electoral demographics can absolutely not be taken for granted.
As for Scotland, why should it be uniquely incapable of survival? Oil revenues were always considered as a bonus by the SNP, not the foundation of the economic argument - although the unionist press and politicians continued to dishonestly portray the issue in such terms.
As for SNP competence, they have built their exceptionally strong support - unparalleled anywhere in the rest of the UK since the 1946 GE - on the basis of providing competent and assured government, absolutely destroying their political rivals in the process. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Protestants may be in a minority by now, but the Republic is now a secular state and more prosperous than formerly. Moreover, the younger generations are less likely to follow traditional religion-based political choices than their grandparents. It is only two weeks since the "labour vote" showed that traditional notions of electoral demographics can absolutely not be taken for granted.
As for Scotland, why should it be uniquely incapable of survival? Oil revenues were always considered as a bonus by the SNP, not the foundation of the economic argument - although the unionist press and politicians continued to dishonestly portray the issue in such terms.
As for SNP competence, they have built their exceptionally strong support - unparalleled anywhere in the rest of the UK since the 1946 GE - on the basis of providing competent and assured government, absolutely destroying their political rivals in the process."
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Any country is capable of "survival" in my opinion but thriving is a different matter. I haven't studied the Scottish economy but we do know that a large chunk of cash comes from Westminster currently and any attempt to join the EU as a stand alone nation will be vetoed which I think would put pressure on the Scottish economy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Has the SNP or the people who support them considered the possibility that Europe might not want them? Yes really despite what is publicly said.
Politicians are great at using others to further their own agenda, it happens as in EU Officials meeting Scotland's 1st Minister for the camera's and saying nice things to be widely reported. Behind the scenes it is a fact that two member nations have issues with nationalists wanting independence (not the UK), can you imagine the Governments of these nations welcoming Scotland with open arms? One has publicly stated it will use it's veto, the other seems unwilling to speak in public but people inside Europe know this is an issue that could further split the EU. So Scotland staying in Europe is a fantasy of those ignorant of the true politics of Europe.
If Scotland wants Trident moved I am sure an official request from the Scottish Parliament would be considered and other parts of the UK would welcome the jobs building, servicing and staffing that a new base would bring. If it such an issue ask for it to be moved. |
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"Has the SNP or the people who support them considered the possibility that Europe might not want them? Yes really despite what is publicly said.
Politicians are great at using others to further their own agenda, it happens as in EU Officials meeting Scotland's 1st Minister for the camera's and saying nice things to be widely reported. Behind the scenes it is a fact that two member nations have issues with nationalists wanting independence (not the UK), can you imagine the Governments of these nations welcoming Scotland with open arms? One has publicly stated it will use it's veto, the other seems unwilling to speak in public but people inside Europe know this is an issue that could further split the EU. So Scotland staying in Europe is a fantasy of those ignorant of the true politics of Europe.
If Scotland wants Trident moved I am sure an official request from the Scottish Parliament would be considered and other parts of the UK would welcome the jobs building, servicing and staffing that a new base would bring. If it such an issue ask for it to be moved."
I'm sure England would be more than happy to base trident somewhere around its coast. Also not a cat in hells chance of Scotland ever joining the EU on its own, Spain have made it very clear they would do everything in their power to block it and they would veto it in the European parliament because of the Catelonia case for independence in Spain. |
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"Has the SNP or the people who support them considered the possibility that Europe might not want them? Yes really despite what is publicly said.
Politicians are great at using others to further their own agenda, it happens as in EU Officials meeting Scotland's 1st Minister for the camera's and saying nice things to be widely reported. Behind the scenes it is a fact that two member nations have issues with nationalists wanting independence (not the UK), can you imagine the Governments of these nations welcoming Scotland with open arms? One has publicly stated it will use it's veto, the other seems unwilling to speak in public but people inside Europe know this is an issue that could further split the EU. So Scotland staying in Europe is a fantasy of those ignorant of the true politics of Europe.
If Scotland wants Trident moved I am sure an official request from the Scottish Parliament would be considered and other parts of the UK would welcome the jobs building, servicing and staffing that a new base would bring. If it such an issue ask for it to be moved.
I'm sure England would be more than happy to base trident somewhere around its coast. Also not a cat in hells chance of Scotland ever joining the EU on its own, Spain have made it very clear they would do everything in their power to block it and they would veto it in the European parliament because of the Catelonia case for independence in Spain. "
Dream on the nimbys wont have trident anywhere near them ..would be another unpopular decision for may to make since even the placing of a third runway is controversial can you really see what trident placement would cause |
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Sadly nobody in the UK lives far enough away from a nuclear facility to say that so they are already in everyone's back or front yard, if you do not realise this more fool you. The wind brought radioactive material from Russia when they had their disaster the Europeans like France have many nuclear power stations so if you look at the geography there is no such thing as nimby.
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"Sadly nobody in the UK lives far enough away from a nuclear facility to say that so they are already in everyone's back or front yard, if you do not realise this more fool you. The wind brought radioactive material from Russia when they had their disaster the Europeans like France have many nuclear power stations so if you look at the geography there is no such thing as nimby.
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Nimbys are everywhere .. And if you cant see opposition from siting in areas such as Chatham Portsmouth os Plymouth you really don't understand the British people |
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As for Scotland, why should it be uniquely incapable of survival? Oil revenues were always considered as a bonus by the SNP, not the foundation of the economic argument - although the unionist press and politicians continued to dishonestly portray the issue in such terms.
As for SNP competence, they have built their exceptionally strong support - unparalleled anywhere in the rest of the UK since the 1946 GE - on the basis of providing competent and assured government, absolutely destroying their political rivals in the process."
Many people forget that Oil revenues were always considered as a bonus by the SNP and they were not included in the white paper as an asset due to fluctuating oil prices (remember the oil price was $12 in 1999/2000)
And what is said about their competence is absolutely correct, they are the only party in politics to put Scotland first and the simple fact is, there is no other Party that has any near competence to get voted into power in Scotland.
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Labour are dead in Scotland and with Kezia Dugdale as Leader this will ensure they never regain votes.
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Conservatives have a strong leader in Ruth Davidson but the Conservatives burned their bridges in Scotland long ago
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Lib Dems have Willie Rennie at the whip and he will always be pissing into the wind after the lying snake in the grass Danny Alexander ruined any chance of the Lib Dems ever being taken serious, the people of Scotland will never forget the lies of Danny Alexander
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I have my grievances with SNP, especially their gun laws, but they are doing well for Scotland
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"Sadly nobody in the UK lives far enough away from a nuclear facility to say that so they are already in everyone's back or front yard, if you do not realise this more fool you. The wind brought radioactive material from Russia when they had their disaster the Europeans like France have many nuclear power stations so if you look at the geography there is no such thing as nimby.
Nimbys are everywhere .. And if you cant see opposition from siting in areas such as Chatham Portsmouth os Plymouth you really don't understand the British people "
You don't live in the real world. There was local opposition to HS2 along its proposed route but that didn't stop the government pushing through the plans and approving it to be built. |
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"Sadly nobody in the UK lives far enough away from a nuclear facility to say that so they are already in everyone's back or front yard, if you do not realise this more fool you. The wind brought radioactive material from Russia when they had their disaster the Europeans like France have many nuclear power stations so if you look at the geography there is no such thing as nimby.
Nimbys are everywhere .. And if you cant see opposition from siting in areas such as Chatham Portsmouth os Plymouth you really don't understand the British people
You don't live in the real world. There was local opposition to HS2 along its proposed route but that didn't stop the government pushing through the plans and approving it to be built. "
funny greenham common wasn't in the real world then ..dont remember the yanks being there now with their bombs ..enough opposition and things wont happen even in the real world |
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"Protestants may be in a minority by now, but the Republic is now a secular state and more prosperous than formerly. Moreover, the younger generations are less likely to follow traditional religion-based political choices than their grandparents. It is only two weeks since the "labour vote" showed that traditional notions of electoral demographics can absolutely not be taken for granted.
As for Scotland, why should it be uniquely incapable of survival? Oil revenues were always considered as a bonus by the SNP, not the foundation of the economic argument - although the unionist press and politicians continued to dishonestly portray the issue in such terms.
As for SNP competence, they have built their exceptionally strong support - unparalleled anywhere in the rest of the UK since the 1946 GE - on the basis of providing competent and assured government, absolutely destroying their political rivals in the process."
Anything that is 15% of the economy is not a bonus. It's a central plank
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