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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal? "

only for bisexual women aged between 35 and 47

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By *carlet_heavenWoman over a year ago

somewhere in the sticks

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

only for bisexual women aged between 35 and 47"

ha ha ha!!

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

only for bisexual women aged between 35 and 47"

That is an original suggestion, I have not heard of that criteria before

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By *tillup4funMan over a year ago

Wakefield

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal? "

We live on an Island we only have so much room if we keep on letting people in at a rate of 350,000 per year where are they all going to live there is a housing shortage already.

If we build on greenbelt land how are we going to feed everyone it has to be slowed down and the only way is to stop freedom of movement.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

We live on an Island we only have so much room if we keep on letting people in at a rate of 350,000 per year where are they all going to live there is a housing shortage already.

If we build on greenbelt land how are we going to feed everyone it has to be slowed down and the only way is to stop freedom of movement."

So how many do you think?

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By *tillup4funMan over a year ago

Wakefield

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

We live on an Island we only have so much room if we keep on letting people in at a rate of 350,000 per year where are they all going to live there is a housing shortage already.

If we build on greenbelt land how are we going to feed everyone it has to be slowed down and the only way is to stop freedom of movement.

So how many do you think? "

Like you my opinion will make no difference its not just the numbers but its who we let come here skilled workers not just labourers making sure they have had a good education and can speak English would be a good start.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

We live on an Island we only have so much room if we keep on letting people in at a rate of 350,000 per year where are they all going to live there is a housing shortage already.

If we build on greenbelt land how are we going to feed everyone it has to be slowed down and the only way is to stop freedom of movement.

So how many do you think?

So we go back to having a shortage of cleaners, waiters and waitresses? Presumably you would not want people from another country who are only good for menial stuff like cleaning? The UK service industry has been revolutionised because of freedom of movement.

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By *oorland2Couple over a year ago

Stoke

we need to stop importing problems from the asian sub continent, Pakistan in particular

the greatest threat the west faces is the importation of haters who only seek to bleed our system dry, whilst exporting everything they earn here

India is a different subject, they wish to learn to integrate admire our customs and standards, and generally speaking have a wider grasp of english and a willingness to learn it

It should be based on a skills required basis, and no redress to public services for at least 3 years

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By *oorland2Couple over a year ago

Stoke

we should get the idle i can't find a job and my parents never had a job peeps in to these low skilled roles, reduce benefits stop paying them to breed and leech of those who work and pay tax

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we should get the idle i can't find a job and my parents never had a job peeps in to these low skilled roles, reduce benefits stop paying them to breed and leech of those who work and pay tax "

Problem is no one wants to be a cleaner,porter, ect they all want to be rap stars and footballers LoL.

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By *tillup4funMan over a year ago

Wakefield

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

We live on an Island we only have so much room if we keep on letting people in at a rate of 350,000 per year where are they all going to live there is a housing shortage already.

If we build on greenbelt land how are we going to feed everyone it has to be slowed down and the only way is to stop freedom of movement.

So how many do you think?

Why would we have a shortage of anyone if there is a job and a house for them then that's fine I have no problem with that but we still only have so much room and when all the jobs are filled what then and your freedom of move says we should still let people come here.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

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By *ustagentMan over a year ago

wa14

hmm well how did we manage before cheap labour turned up?. did we starve because no one picked crops or no toilets cleaned etc off course not we managed because every one had to go to work and do there bit,so yes we will get by immigration or not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower? "

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens.

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By *tillup4funMan over a year ago

Wakefield

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower? "

It depends on supply and demand if the jobs are there the demands are higher I,m saying put a figure on it just keep a check on it and you cant do that with freedom of movement.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens. "

And minus 2 for Americans?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

It depends on supply and demand if the jobs are there the demands are higher I,m saying put a figure on it just keep a check on it and you cant do that with freedom of movement."

What if the figure was 350,000 per year figure you mentioned early? Is that too high?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens.

And minus 2 for Americans?

Actually, that is very likely.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens.

And minus 2 for Americans?

Actually, that is very likely.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens.

And minus 2 for Americans?

Actually, that is very likely.

I'm sure if there was a referendum to keep you two it would be 100%

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens.

And minus 2 for Americans?

Actually, that is very likely.

I'm sure if there was a referendum to keep you two it would be 100%"

Cheers!

But unlike Cameron, I won't ask people to vote on a question I don't know the answer to. It could backfire

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens.

And minus 2 for Americans?

Actually, that is very likely.

I'm sure if there was a referendum to keep you two it would be 100%

Cheers!

But unlike Cameron, I won't ask people to vote on a question I don't know the answer to. It could backfire

Haha!

well you've got my vote.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No to unlimited freedom of movement.. But based on skills needed. Those already here should be able to stay as retrospective rejection would be unfair.. Also fit available women 30 to 55yo :op

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

On a serious note, being an ex nurse, i was concerned about the number me phillipino nurses coming here, as they were badly needed in their own country at the time. Not sure what the situation is now over there

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"No to unlimited freedom of movement.. But based on skills needed. Those already here should be able to stay as retrospective rejection would be unfair.. Also fit available women 30 to 55yo :op"

So with the people who are already here, do they deserve to stay here forever? What if they chose to go back to their home country, or another EU country or a non-EU country for a bit to live and work, can they come back to the UK at anytime?

If the EU citizens who are already here get married to a non-British citizen, should they have the right to bring their new spouse to the UK?

Should we only allow people to stay who were here before the referendum, or all EU citizens who are in the country on the day we finally leave the EU?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we should get the idle i can't find a job and my parents never had a job peeps in to these low skilled roles, reduce benefits stop paying them to breed and leech of those who work and pay tax

Problem is no one wants to be a cleaner,porter, ect they all want to be rap stars and footballers LoL.

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i have done menial work.. Worst bit is managers under recruit and give you loads of work to maximise profits, and being talked down to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No to unlimited freedom of movement.. But based on skills needed. Those already here should be able to stay as retrospective rejection would be unfair.. Also fit available women 30 to 55yo :op

If the EU citizens who are already here get married to a non-British citizen, should they have the right to bring their new spouse to the UK?

Should we only allow people to stay who were here before the referendum, or all EU citizens who are in the country on the day we finally leave the EU?

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i don't know. Is a tricky one that

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"hmm well how did we manage before cheap labour turned up?. did we starve because no one picked crops or no toilets cleaned etc off course not we managed because every one had to go to work and do there bit,so yes we will get by immigration or not

We had the Citizens over from the west indies to do the jobs Brits didn't want look at immigration in the 60s so mo we didn't get by without cheap labour to do the UK shit work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we need to stop importing problems from the asian sub continent, Pakistan in particular

the greatest threat the west faces is the importation of haters who only seek to bleed our system dry, whilst exporting everything they earn here

India is a different subject, they wish to learn to integrate admire our customs and standards, and generally speaking have a wider grasp of english and a willingness to learn it

It should be based on a skills required basis, and no redress to public services for at least 3 years"

Do you often find yourself starting a sentence with "I'm not racist but..."?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"No to unlimited freedom of movement.. But based on skills needed. Those already here should be able to stay as retrospective rejection would be unfair.. Also fit available women 30 to 55yo :op

If the EU citizens who are already here get married to a non-British citizen, should they have the right to bring their new spouse to the UK?

Should we only allow people to stay who were here before the referendum, or all EU citizens who are in the country on the day we finally leave the EU?

What do you think would happen to Brits living in other countries if the UK government decided to implement any of the above?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"we need to stop importing problems from the asian sub continent, Pakistan in particular

the greatest threat the west faces is the importation of haters who only seek to bleed our system dry, whilst exporting everything they earn here

India is a different subject, they wish to learn to integrate admire our customs and standards, and generally speaking have a wider grasp of english and a willingness to learn it

It should be based on a skills required basis, and no redress to public services for at least 3 years

Do you often find yourself starting a sentence with "I'm not racist but..."?"

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"No to unlimited freedom of movement.. But based on skills needed. Those already here should be able to stay as retrospective rejection would be unfair.. Also fit available women 30 to 55yo :op

If the EU citizens who are already here get married to a non-British citizen, should they have the right to bring their new spouse to the UK?

Should we only allow people to stay who were here before the referendum, or all EU citizens who are in the country on the day we finally leave the EU?

What do you think would happen to Brits living in other countries if the UK government decided to implement any of the above?"

I don’t know, what I do know that the governments of other EU countries didn’t vote to leave the EU. It was some people in this country who voted to leave, so I want their opinions on what “leaving the EU” actually means, what they meant when they put the cross in the box.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"What level would you like to see immigration at? Do you want us to accept free movement from the EU in any future deal?

We live on an Island we only have so much room if we keep on letting people in at a rate of 350,000 per year where are they all going to live there is a housing shortage already.

If we build on greenbelt land how are we going to feed everyone it has to be slowed down and the only way is to stop freedom of movement.

So how many do you think?

There is no such thing as jobs are filled when the economy is growing. Where do you think the 2 - 3 million people who came from the EU over the last decade or so went? There were not so many jobs on a given day. The economy grew and hence there was a need for employees.

The biggest failing in the reducing immigration argument revolves around the arrival of mainly young, fit and energetic Europeans who are a benefit to our economy. The drain on our economy are the immigrants who come via other sources - family, spouse, education etc. These people land with no short term intention to contribute and they are NOT coming from the EU.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is no such thing as jobs are filled when the economy is growing. Where do you think the 2 - 3 million people who came from the EU over the last decade or so went?

You may already know this, but you're going to spend your entire life trying to get dumb dumbs to understand this. If you succeed then you've done better than me. So many of the great unwashed can't get their head around the fact that economics is not a zero sum game.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The conservatives said it should be less than 100,000 per year. Is that a good figure? Or should it be higher or lower?

Put it at 0. Let's see what happens. "

The average attractiveness in the country would reduce by 27% within a few weeks leading to the birth rate plummeting causing a demographic crisis which in turn leads to civil war within 2 years.

It's called the butterfly effect.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like? "

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

I want to live in a country that is fair to all. That puts its citizens first be they black or white, British, Asian or any other race or religion. I don't want to see enterprise dampened down. Neither do I want to see those who need our protection disadvantaged or struggle.

But we need to move away from the nanny state, who amongst other things claim that we need immigration to fill jobs "no one else wants to do". Most of us start from somewhere.Usually at the bottom and work our way up. We need to change the message we give to our children. And the value we put on certain roles. Why is it ok for Romanians or Polish to be cleaners or work in hospitality, food manufacturing or agriculture but not our own children?? The PC brigade who feel that it is wrong to want to look after our own, be they family, friends ,work colleagues or neighbours are as bad.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x"

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

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By *igsteve43Man over a year ago

derby

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like? "

Well I don't mind free movement as long as we don't pay them benefits and they are deported if they commit crime or don't have a job for say 6 months

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x"

well said

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like? "

As many as can make a net positive tax contribution.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

As many as can make a net positive tax contribution. "

so when they fall sick after a week you kick them out?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS? "

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Imagine we carry on at current levels of immigration. We already have an impending crisis with our population being elderly and therefore in need of care and medical treatment. So we import more peop!e to look after them. Where are we in thirty years time? With past immigrants now becoming elderly and needing care and medical treatment? Where does it stop?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"we should get the idle i can't find a job and my parents never had a job peeps in to these low skilled roles, reduce benefits stop paying them to breed and leech of those who work and pay tax

Problem is no one wants to be a cleaner,porter, ect they all want to be rap stars and footballers LoL.

i have done menial work.. Worst bit is managers under recruit and give you loads of work to maximise profits, and being talked down to. "

Tell me about it LoL I spent my first years washing up cleaning toilets making beds and working in a bar at nights.

Used to work my ass off for a low wage but that's what it took then mind you now I still work 50 hour week LoL but have always done what ever it took to survive

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

As many as can make a net positive tax contribution.

so when they fall sick after a week you kick them out?"

I think we would measure "net positive contribution" over a longer period than one week

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors. "

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

We have a massive budget for International Aid. That should be diverted to ensuring we give those countries who have less then we do the tools to build a better future. It's not about cramming the world population into a few countries. Or one US state.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x"

The numbers have always been in the control of this current, the last and every previous government. A static or falling population will accelerate the very issues that you feel are important quite simply because the government has to collect taxes to pay for its infrastructure. Here are your choices:

Stop / control immigration to net zero levels = higher taxes or less services or more austerity.

Enable free movement of economically driven immigration and increase the tax take to continue to fund the services that we all currently enjoy.

The ageing native population is the biggest drain of all on this country and is far more detrimental to its financial well being than any other demographic from any other country/region. But it is much easier to blame foreigners for the things that we are ourselves to blame for.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

We only spend 0.7% on international aid.

If you consider a take home salary of £1500 per home (you can round up or down depending on your wages) its like giving £10.50 per month to charity. Is that too much?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Immigration ebbs and flows with the economy. Don't worry, we are only one recession away from a declining population.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

Stop / control immigration to net zero levels = higher taxes or less services or more austerity.

Enable free movement of economically driven immigration and increase the tax take to continue to fund the services that we all currently enjoy.

Not sure where I blame foreigners?

However we have to stop somewhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

We only spend 0.7% on international aid.

If you consider a take home salary of £1500 per home (you can round up or down depending on your wages) its like giving £10.50 per month to charity. Is that too much? "

I give triple that every month to three charities. Im fortunate that I can. Some people couldn't give that amount. Others can give a hundred times more x

We need to spend it more wisely.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

I am still trying to understand how much immigration people want per year. Migration watch UK puts the 2015 figure to 333,000. I know that some people have commented in the past about Dr's from Africa not being able to get it, so should we lower our immigration criteria, and maybe raise immigration to 400,000 or 500,000 if they are concerned not enough people are coming?

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country? "

Yes I have.

For three years running, I have spent two weeks teaching at a school in Ethiopia set up by a friend of the family.

They don't want handouts, they want to be given the tools to change their own country x

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

We only spend 0.7% on international aid.

If you consider a take home salary of £1500 per home (you can round up or down depending on your wages) its like giving £10.50 per month to charity. Is that too much?

I give triple that every month to three charities. Im fortunate that I can. Some people couldn't give that amount. Others can give a hundred times more x

We need to spend it more wisely."

So it doesn't sound like you think 0.7% is too much then? Or am I miss understanding? I gave a kind of middle of the road salary and charity spend for illustration purposes, but obviously a percentage would stay the same even if the salary went up or down.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country?

Yes I have.

For three years running, I have spent two weeks teaching at a school in Ethiopia set up by a friend of the family.

They don't want handouts, they want to be given the tools to change their own country x"

Clearly some want to come here for the better opportunities otherwise we wouldn't have much immigration and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why would you begrudge some of those people the opportunity to better themselves if the country can also benefit at the same time?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am still trying to understand how much immigration people want per year. Migration watch UK puts the 2015 figure to 333,000. I know that some people have commented in the past about Dr's from Africa not being able to get it, so should we lower our immigration criteria, and maybe raise immigration to 400,000 or 500,000 if they are concerned not enough people are coming?

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about? "

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money? "

Well it seemed to be clear that lots of people were concerned about immigration levels before the referendum. Although some people say they were worried about "control" over the numbers, i believe that the people for whom immigration was a concern, were actually concerned about the absolute numbers. So i just want to know what people think they should be.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country?

Yes I have.

For three years running, I have spent two weeks teaching at a school in Ethiopia set up by a friend of the family.

They don't want handouts, they want to be given the tools to change their own country x

Clearly some want to come here for the better opportunities otherwise we wouldn't have much immigration and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why would you begrudge some of those people the opportunity to better themselves if the country can also benefit at the same time? "

Where did I say I begrudge anyone?

And it depends on personal circumstances and beliefs whether you feel it benefits the country or not.

Clearly there are many who dont benefit from immigration going by the recent EU referendum.

Do you begrudge their opinions,their feelings? Why should they compromise what they feel is right for others who feel its right to allow immigration?

Is it a case of top trumps??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Some are concerned about numbers, some don't like the brown people moving into their street, some are annoyed because the Polish will do the same job as them for minimum wage, some get pissed off hearing a foreign language on the bus. I don't really think numbers are the primary concern of those factors.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country?

Yes I have.

For three years running, I have spent two weeks teaching at a school in Ethiopia set up by a friend of the family.

They don't want handouts, they want to be given the tools to change their own country x

Clearly some want to come here for the better opportunities otherwise we wouldn't have much immigration and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why would you begrudge some of those people the opportunity to better themselves if the country can also benefit at the same time? "

Where did I say I begrudge anyone?

And it depends on personal circumstances and beliefs whether you feel it benefits the country or not.

Clearly there are many who dont benefit from immigration going by the recent EU referendum.

Do you begrudge their opinions,their feelings? Why should they compromise what they feel is right for others who feel its right to allow immigration?

Is it a case of top trumps??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country?

Yes I have.

For three years running, I have spent two weeks teaching at a school in Ethiopia set up by a friend of the family.

They don't want handouts, they want to be given the tools to change their own country x

Clearly some want to come here for the better opportunities otherwise we wouldn't have much immigration and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why would you begrudge some of those people the opportunity to better themselves if the country can also benefit at the same time?

Where did I say I begrudge anyone?

And it depends on personal circumstances and beliefs whether you feel it benefits the country or not.

Clearly there are many who dont benefit from immigration going by the recent EU referendum.

Do you begrudge their opinions,their feelings? Why should they compromise what they feel is right for others who feel its right to allow immigration?

Is it a case of top trumps??"

It's where you talk about "our own citizens being taken care of".

Personally I don't think much of national identity. I associate more on values. So I'd rather share this country with a high skilled, hard working Pakistani than I would a thick and lazy Brit, given the choice.

At the end of the day, I do care about growth and having a good standard of living. So when Brits with low to no skills are bitching about immigrants under cutting them, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy and think they should have made different life choices. So in simple terms, yes I begrudge their opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x

If the NHS is paid by taxes (which it is) and immigrants make a net positive tax contribution (which the treasury confirms they do) then how does having more customers strain the NHS?

By sheer numbers! It's not about immigrants contributing. Most do. It's about qua!ity of life.

Do you understand that if everyone lived in an area with a population density of new York then the entire world's population could live in Texas?

You're really saying we should deny people the chance for a better life because British people turn their nose up at having to live in a building with more than 2 floors.

Im saying that the world is a big place. We should ensure our own citizens are take care of and their needs are met.

At the risk of sounding like a complete tree hugger, why do national boundaries effect who you think should be taken care of first?

National identity is a relatively new phenomenon in human history, about ~500 years old and not exactly mankind's greatest invention.

Have you ever travelled to a genuinely poor country?

Yes I have.

For three years running, I have spent two weeks teaching at a school in Ethiopia set up by a friend of the family.

They don't want handouts, they want to be given the tools to change their own country x

Clearly some want to come here for the better opportunities otherwise we wouldn't have much immigration and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Why would you begrudge some of those people the opportunity to better themselves if the country can also benefit at the same time?

Where did I say I begrudge anyone?

And it depends on personal circumstances and beliefs whether you feel it benefits the country or not.

Clearly there are many who dont benefit from immigration going by the recent EU referendum.

Do you begrudge their opinions,their feelings? Why should they compromise what they feel is right for others who feel its right to allow immigration?

Is it a case of top trumps??

It's where you talk about "our own citizens being taken care of".

I class as citizens those who have citizenship regardless of colour, race of religion. So I would class a Pakistani doctor as a citizen just as much as a white Scouser! Not that I class a white Scouser as a lazy Brit!

But I absolutely agree with your comments about lazy Brits feeling that being a cleaner, strawberry picker or Barista as beneath them. The answer in my opinion isnt to import others to allow lazy Brits to languish on benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's where you talk about "our own citizens being taken care of".

As Margaret Thatcher said "you can't buck the market". If British workers aren't getting the wages they want, it's probably got something to do with their productivity. If people think that leaving the EU somehow fixes that, they are sorely mistaken. As an employer, if I can't bring the immigrants to the company then I'll take the company to the immigrants... either way, I'm not pay top dollar for less productive workers.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

But a Pakistani Dr would be a Pakistani citizen surely?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's where you talk about "our own citizens being taken care of".

Oh i agree, as a previous employer of 70+ staff.

But I'm thinking long term without personal risk. I'm sure some who voted leave believe that. Just as I'm sure some who voted remain did so as a result of equally false claims of doomsday! X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But a Pakistani Dr would be a Pakistani citizen surely? "

Many claim dual nationality.

But feel free to try and pull apart my opinion

I know what I mean. As do others

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

But a Pakistani Dr would be a Pakistani citizen surely?

Many claim dual nationality.

But feel free to try and pull apart my opinion

I know what I mean. As do others

Many what? Dr's?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People who support a system that encourages the scale of immigration to a country that we have seen in the UK over the last few years really only think of themselves and do not understand the amount of human misery involved. Do not kid yourselves that the vast majority come to improve their lives, they don't, they have simply been left with little choice. Get over yourselves and your faux goody goody crap. I will leave this thread there because it makes me so angry

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"People who support a system that encourages the scale of immigration to a country that we have seen in the UK over the last few years really only think of themselves and do not understand the amount of human misery involved. Do not kid yourselves that the vast majority come to improve their lives, they don't, they have simply been left with little choice. Get over yourselves and your faux goody goody crap. I will leave this thread there because it makes me so angry"

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to."

Tens of thousands.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to.

Tens of thousands.

OK, so the same as the conservatives then. Anyone else got a figure in mind?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to.

Tens of thousands.

OK, so the same as the conservatives then. Anyone else got a figure in mind? "

Tens of millions

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to.

Tens of thousands.

OK, so the same as the conservatives then. Anyone else got a figure in mind?

Tens of millions "

Ok, is that a maximum or a minimum?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to.

Tens of thousands.

OK, so the same as the conservatives then. Anyone else got a figure in mind?

Tens of millions

Ok, is that a maximum or a minimum? "

Maximum obviously, did you think I was being facetious?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

Yet you still cant say what level you would like to bring immigration down to.

Tens of thousands.

OK, so the same as the conservatives then. Anyone else got a figure in mind?

Tens of millions

Ok, is that a maximum or a minimum?

Maximum obviously, did you think I was being facetious?"

It had crossed my mind.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

cahoots

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship."

Interesting. Talking to some Scots the other night and they see it as inevitable that the UK will now break up and mainly because too many Englanders don't know either the meaning of independence and/or exactly what is an European Union of Nations.

Scots overwhelmingly chose to remain part of the EU and so will inevitably choose to secede from England. Interestingly they said that they believe most Scots would then welcome the English who chose to live in the EU rather than in an isolationist state. Odd that a significant number of Englanders are devoutly against welcoming almost anyone, whereas even with their alleged hatred of the English, the Scots would still be so welcoming.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

hilarious

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me and my mates often talk bollocks on a friday night too

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Me and my mates often talk bollocks on a friday night too

And the other 7 days a week posting it up on here !!!!!

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship."

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

The EU referendum, although it was a simple question on the ballot it was not clear what leaving actually involved. There are now so many decisions to me made and immigration is just one of those issues.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more"

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances..."

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh"

You asume they found facts ..and not just scared of immigration .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh

You asume they found facts ..and not just scared of immigration ."

whatever. I assume they looked at both job offers and decided what was best for the finances and futures of their families. We are not all blinkered and short sighted

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh

You asume they found facts ..and not just scared of immigration ."

Let's not beat about the bush. Immigration was the big part of the referendum and this is why there is such a raw scar left on our society. An unpleasant character trait has been opened up and whilst some will celebrate the raising of the drawbridge, securing the borders and the emergence of an exclusive society, not everyone is comfortable with it.

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly.

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By *oorland2Couple over a year ago

Stoke

The scots can't afford independence, sturgeon is dilusioned, and has a one track mind agenda

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The scots can't afford independence, sturgeon is dilusioned, and has a one track mind agenda"

Unlike most politicians who are normal, well rounded individuals?

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh

You asume they found facts ..and not just scared of immigration .

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly."

Totally agree...it is shameful

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh

You asume they found facts ..and not just scared of immigration .

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly.

Totally agree...it is shameful"

if there is any scar on our society it was not caused by the referendum but by the failing policies of the EU! And nobody is raising the bloody drawbridge! The most divisive people at the moment are the whining remainers with their blinkered views and understanding of nothing!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

The very question "So how many?" negates discussion which then causes arguments. And inevitably when someone says 'None' the racist card is deployed which again negates the discussion and causes arguments.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

* Define better what skills the economy needs in a specific timeframe

* Create an Aussie style points system to make sure the resources we need are sourced from the widest available labour pool. Regardless of race, colour or creed.

Cameron was a mug to start playing the numbers game especially given Free Movement from the EU. If we need 100,000 a year under the above criteria then that is the number. It could be more or less but at least we have control of WHO.

Remainers paint a slightly rosy picture of immigration. A sort LibDem policy Mk II. One here said 'mainly young, fit and energetic Europeans who are a benefit to our economy.' But what about their elderly parents needing health care, their children needing school places, their siblings who have babies and then go back home with UK Child Benefit or the Romanians camping in Hyde Park with no intention of working? This is a many faceted discussion and to claim everything in the garden is roses is to insult those who have seen their wages depressed, local schools full, doctor's surgeries unable to give a decent appointment, their jobs go to foreigners who don't speak the language and companies deliberately employing from abroad to maximise profits. Aided by Tax Credits (which defeats the 'economic benefit' argument).

Those who are here must be allowed to stay here as long as the EU allows Brits in the EU to stay unhindered. But I think they must be told it is on the condition they claim British citizenship within say 5 years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All these threads are started by people who can not understand people who are able to think for themselves and make their own decisions based on their opinion. Rather than blindly following others.

They always aim to be divisive. Just as a child will try and cause a divide in parents if they do not get their own way.

Its so sad to watch and I have learnt to keep out of it. All the other free thinking adults should do the same.

Leave the children to play on their own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Let's not beat about the bush. Immigration was the big part of the referendum and this is why there is such a raw scar left on our society. An unpleasant character trait has been opened up and whilst some will celebrate the raising of the drawbridge, securing the borders and the emergence of an exclusive society, not everyone is comfortable with it.

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly."

No emotive language there then .... 'drawbridges' and 'exclusive society'?

Which begs the real question you avoided: Given the British people are pretty tolerant and open minded and we have celebrated generations of different cultures adding so much to the UK what has caused these alleged 'pretty unpleasant traits' which others call racism.

And are you inferring that because people like me said 'enough of the EU' and voted leave then 17+ million are showing 'some pretty unpleasant traits'?

You have painted a majority of those who voted in a very negative way which is a shame but hey you have a right to your opinion. But you failed to answer the question.

Just a reality check: Last year there weren't 330,000 new migrants as we were told. 630,000 new NI Numbers were issued last year to EU nationals alone. Which means they get instant access to jobs, health care, schools, housing and benefits. Even 'project Fear' admitted in that Treasury report that there would be another 3 million migrants from the EU here by 2030.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

Read the facts and not the bullshit posted in here ...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/2015-05-21

So many uninformed drum beaters !!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see. "

You are both very intelligent people so you know a simplistic number game is pointless. So I suspect your questions are here more to cause argument. IMHO.

Cameron was a mug to shout a number while we were in the EU and had no control. And the the EU's failures since the 2009 crash have exacerbated the migration problems in the UK. The Euro economy is in tatters, near zero growth for years, massive unemployment especially for the young and Southern European economies on their knees.

The UK addressed the realities, forged a Coalition Government to deal with them and came out miles ahead of the EU. Indeed DESPITE the EU. So we became a magnet for the dispossessed and desperate in the EU. We did not need over 2 million new people here we just got them regardless of skills and language and had to take care of them and I am so very proud we did. But enough is enough.

As one Remainer observed to me at Wembley: "I have to admit the UK has solved the employment, housing, health and welfare problems for most Eastern European Governments". But he was frightened by Project Fear....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Read the facts and not the bullshit posted in here ...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/2015-05-21

So many uninformed drum beaters !!!!"

In which ONE paragraph alone proves you are either blind or just ignorant:

"National Insurance number (NINo) registrations to adult overseas nationals increased by 221,000 (37%) to 824,000 in the YE March 2015, when compared with the previous year."

Of which 629,410 were issued to EU Nationals.

I suspect my drum beating is more informed than you think ....

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Read the facts and not the bullshit posted in here ...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/2015-05-21

So many uninformed drum beaters !!!!

In which ONE paragraph alone proves you are either blind or just ignorant:

"National Insurance number (NINo) registrations to adult overseas nationals increased by 221,000 (37%) to 824,000 in the YE March 2015, when compared with the previous year."

Of which 629,410 were issued to EU Nationals.

I suspect my drum beating is more informed than you think ....

The figures are not as you posted the facts are there read the whole bloody thing and stop posting the parts that you think back up your biased opinion no your drum beating is ill informed ..

•641,000 people immigrated to the UK in 2014, a statistically significant increase from 526,000 in 2013. There were statistically significant increases for immigration of EU (non-British) citizens (up 67,000 to 268,000) and non-EU citizens (up 42,000 to 290,000). Immigration of British citizens increased by 7,000 to 83,000, but this was not statistically significant

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Read the facts and not the bullshit posted in here ...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/2015-05-21

So many uninformed drum beaters !!!!

In which ONE paragraph alone proves you are either blind or just ignorant:

"National Insurance number (NINo) registrations to adult overseas nationals increased by 221,000 (37%) to 824,000 in the YE March 2015, when compared with the previous year."

Of which 629,410 were issued to EU Nationals.

I suspect my drum beating is more informed than you think ....

The figures are not as you posted the facts are there read the whole bloody thing and stop posting the parts that you think back up your biased opinion no your drum beating is ill informed ..

Jesus H Christ man I just copy / pasted Paragraph 7 from your link!!!

The 629,410 figure came from a paper that analysed the ONS figures:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/migration-and-national-insurance-number-figures-2015-5

Which tells the REAL story.

And of course these are 2014 numbers and the 2015 numbers are even worse. Note the numbers of Romanian and Bulgarian migrants. We were told there would be ' a few thousand'. There were:

"46,000 Romanian and Bulgarian (EU2) citizens immigrated to the UK in 2014, a statistically significant increase from 23,000 in the previous 12 months. Of these, 35,000 were coming for work, a statistically significant increase of 19,000 compared with 2013. The latest estimates reflect the first full year since EU2 working restrictions ended on 1 January 2014."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All these threads are started by people who can not understand people who are able to think for themselves and make their own decisions based on their opinion. Rather than blindly following others.

They always aim to be divisive. Just as a child will try and cause a divide in parents if they do not get their own way.

Its so sad to watch and I have learnt to keep out of it. All the other free thinking adults should do the same.

Leave the children to play on their own."

Good job keeping out of it while simultaneously calling people with opposing opinions "children." They are divisive, just following other people's opinions, and unable to think for themselves. Right? But then, I guess I shouldn't ask you because you've learned to keep out of it all.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"Read the facts and not the bullshit posted in here ...

http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/2015-05-21

So many uninformed drum beaters !!!!

In which ONE paragraph alone proves you are either blind or just ignorant:

"National Insurance number (NINo) registrations to adult overseas nationals increased by 221,000 (37%) to 824,000 in the YE March 2015, when compared with the previous year."

Of which 629,410 were issued to EU Nationals.

I suspect my drum beating is more informed than you think ....

The figures are not as you posted the facts are there read the whole bloody thing and stop posting the parts that you think back up your biased opinion no your drum beating is ill informed ..

Jesus H Christ man I just copy / pasted Paragraph 7 from your link!!!

The 629,410 figure came from a paper that analysed the ONS figures:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/migration-and-national-insurance-number-figures-2015-5

Which tells the REAL story.

And of course these are 2014 numbers and the 2015 numbers are even worse. Note the numbers of Romanian and Bulgarian migrants. We were told there would be ' a few thousand'. There were:

So even the report you took your information from realises its incorrect...

It's not clear why the NI registration figure is considerably larger than the registered migration figure. The periods are slightly different (the net migration figures are for 2014 as a whole, while the NI number figures are for the year to March 2015), but that doesn't really account for another 180,000 or so people coming to the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All these threads are started by people who can not understand people who are able to think for themselves and make their own decisions based on their opinion. Rather than blindly following others.

They always aim to be divisive. Just as a child will try and cause a divide in parents if they do not get their own way.

Its so sad to watch and I have learnt to keep out of it. All the other free thinking adults should do the same.

Leave the children to play on their own.

Sush child.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only skilled we don't need any more car washers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All these threads are started by people who can not understand people who are able to think for themselves and make their own decisions based on their opinion. Rather than blindly following others.

They always aim to be divisive. Just as a child will try and cause a divide in parents if they do not get their own way.

Its so sad to watch and I have learnt to keep out of it. All the other free thinking adults should do the same.

Leave the children to play on their own."

Thanks. I now that Santana track 'Let the Children play' in my head ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So is anyone going to say what they would like the immigration policy to be like?

Personally I don't want to see economic growth at the expense of everything else.

At the moment we have too many people here. We cannot cope in terms of infrastructure - schools, NHS, housing.

That puts both British citizens and migrants at risk. The answer isn't to keep cramming more people in by building more schools or hospitals or houses. IMHO

The numbers that would be acceptable is impossible to forecast at the moment.

For me, quality of life is paramount x"

For me quality of life equals a permanent job I can stay at and retire from, temp jobs are great as they provide learning and more importantly an income but it's not stability, I don't feel had we stayed in the EU that I would've stood a chance hence I voted to leave in the hope of stability. Unless the politicians screw everything up

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

Permanent work to retire from disappeared as a result of the thatcher government policies .and now with a global economy is highly unlikely to return as a result if the referendum ..

Someone else sold the impossible dream ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am quite happy to accept freedom of movement within the EU countries - and when we exit, too.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I am quite happy to accept freedom of movement within the EU countries - and when we exit, too."

Do you mean keep the system we already have? Of have I got the wrong end of the stick?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

With regards to national insurance numbers do those statistics also cover the British citizens that are turning 16 and automatically being assigned a number? I don't know if they do, I wondered if anyone can clarify.

When looking at the numbers of NI numbers, should we also remember that someone may have come to the UK in say 2010, got an NI number, gone back home in 2012, but its not as though you give your number back, so although its a registered number, it doesn't mean they are here right?

We also have to take into account the people who leave the UK to work elsewhere, and of course the people who die each year.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

Thats kind of the crux of the original question. Can you define what you think the population of Britain should be? Then we take that figure, remove the people who die each year, remove the number who move abroad each year, add the number of babies born, add whatever is left over is the immigration figure right? Unless you want the population to go up or down.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure. "

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

Capital assets are depreciated over time usually 30-100 years depending on what it is, if it's a net contribution then your comment doesn't make sense.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"With regards to national insurance numbers do those statistics also cover the British citizens that are turning 16 and automatically being assigned a number? I don't know if they do, I wondered if anyone can clarify."

No. They are new NI Numbers issued to non British EU nationals.

" When looking at the numbers of NI numbers, should we also remember that someone may have come to the UK in say 2010, got an NI number, gone back home in 2012, but its not as though you give your number back, so although its a registered number, it doesn't mean they are here right?"

So if they were issued an NI Number (which is for life) in 2010 it doesn't matter how many times they come and go. For example seasonal workers always retain the same NI Number. But a number issued this year it is safe to assume they are here now with all that means.

" We also have to take into account the people who leave the UK to work elsewhere, and of course the people who die each year."

You confuse things. These were new numbers issued in 2014 and 2015 to new arrivals. The ONS gives the Nett migration figure which accounts for people arriving and leaving. The worrying thing is the vast difference between that immigration figure and the 'NI Number' figure which indicates the number of people here and taking work and benefits and using public services and housing. Given it is impossible to count everyone going in and out of the EU I would rather trust the NI Number as those people are definitely here seeking work / benefits.

And remember if they have a number and then have a child here we pay Child Benefit to the woman wherever she lives even if it is outside the UK for 16 years.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

cahoots

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have? "

To the person saying there is no limit on infrastructure tell that to people who can't find a reasonably priced home because demand is outstripping supply of that infrastructure...

But to the OP you are back asking a divisive question which I answered in detail above.

You seem to want an arbitrary number set but that is pointless (and unachievable as Cameron found out). We have now taken control of our borders (or will) so we decide what we need given the resources and demands of the economy. We then allow in those that meet those demands from wherever in the world. And there is a far bigger skill pool in the rest of the world than in the EU although after Brexit of course the EU becomes part of the rest of the world.

There is no 'magic number' so there is no answer to your question..

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

To the person saying there is no limit on infrastructure tell that to people who can't find a reasonably priced home because demand is outstripping supply of that infrastructure...

But to the OP you are back asking a divisive question which I answered in detail above.

There is no 'magic number' so there is no answer to your question.."

But you wouldn't mind if immigration didn't fall them?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question."

So you would be happy with the system we currently have then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am quite happy to accept freedom of movement within the EU countries - and when we exit, too.

Do you mean keep the system we already have? Of have I got the wrong end of the stick? "

I am more than happy to accept our current system. Do you think that strange for a Brexiter?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I am quite happy to accept freedom of movement within the EU countries - and when we exit, too.

Do you mean keep the system we already have? Of have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I am more than happy to accept our current system. Do you think that strange for a Brexiter?"

No that's fine I just wanted to check, I think I had read it in a strange way.

Thanks for actually answering the question, I too am/was happy with the system we currently have.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am quite happy to accept freedom of movement within the EU countries - and when we exit, too.

Do you mean keep the system we already have? Of have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I am more than happy to accept our current system. Do you think that strange for a Brexiter?

No that's fine I just wanted to check, I think I had read it in a strange way.

Thanks for actually answering the question, I too am/was happy with the system we currently have. "

Really, not every Brexiter voted on the basis of immigration levels. I know you are a keen Remainer and that is fine. I have already said why I voted to leave. Different folk have different priorities.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All these threads are started by people who can not understand people who are able to think for themselves and make their own decisions based on their opinion. Rather than blindly following others.

They always aim to be divisive. Just as a child will try and cause a divide in parents if they do not get their own way.

Its so sad to watch and I have learnt to keep out of it. All the other free thinking adults should do the same.

Leave the children to play on their own.

Sush child."

You just can't keep away!

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I am quite happy to accept freedom of movement within the EU countries - and when we exit, too.

Do you mean keep the system we already have? Of have I got the wrong end of the stick?

I am more than happy to accept our current system. Do you think that strange for a Brexiter?

No that's fine I just wanted to check, I think I had read it in a strange way.

Thanks for actually answering the question, I too am/was happy with the system we currently have.

I know that not every brexiter voted on immigration. I haven't said that they did. As I have said, although it was a simple question on the ballot paper, people will have ticked one box for a myriad of reasons.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have? "

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

To the person saying there is no limit on infrastructure tell that to people who can't find a reasonably priced home because demand is outstripping supply of that infrastructure...

But to the OP you are back asking a divisive question which I answered in detail above.

There is no 'magic number' so there is no answer to your question.."

Why do you blame demand not supply!? The supply is pitiful because this is a nation of nimbys whose greatest person crisis would be having their bedroom view obscured or a family of newts die to make room for a few hundred humans to live.

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?"

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit. "

I think there should be an Australian style points based system, where the government decides every year or so what skills we need, and how many in total we need. I also think that we should invest in training our own rather than importing, but understand that we will always need some skills from immigration. Immigration is not a bad thing.... however, uncontrolled immigration, I think, puts a burden on our society that I think is hard to sustain. For example, how many schools and hospitals, roads, doctors, public amenities, houses, etc will we need over the next decade? Uncontrolled immigration makes it much harder for us to plan this and to spend well.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

I understand where you are coming from about the if we know how many are coming, we can plan ahead. But we know that about 330,000 a year are coming at the moment, so cant we just build the schools, hospitals etc. using that figure and not have to reduce the numbers?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

How does every private sector company in the world manage to solve this problem but when it comes to the public sector having to forecast demand from the same group of people then it's suddenly mission impossible

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Unskilled workers don't pay tax now on mim wage so where's the money coming from for schools ect only the rich gain again

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Unskilled workers don't pay tax now on mim wage so where's the money coming from for schools ect only the rich gain again "

You still pay tax and national insurance if you are working full time on the national minimum wage, or the national living wage. If you are only working part time, then you might fall below the threshold for income tax. That's the same for all workers, immigrants and brits alike.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

cahoots

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question.

So you would be happy with the system we currently have then? "

I would have to look into it properly to answer....you appear to be hung up on immigration...it's not something I've thought about.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"Unskilled workers don't pay tax now on mim wage so where's the money coming from for schools ect only the rich gain again "

How do only the rich gain if the low paid pay no income tax? How can you turn that around to the rich gaining from a policy to take the low paid entirely out of income tax?

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

I partially agree with this. I agree about free movement from within the EU because that same free movement would give our young and opportunistic the benefit of working elsewhere in the event of an economic downturn in this country. Free movement of people within a greater economic union ebbs and flows across the union according to economic demands and that is exactly how it should be. We have recently benefited from such inward movement which helped us to become the fastest growing economyw I think the EU.

i am not entirely convinced that the current points based system is working as it should particularly with family visas as we are importing a disproportionately high number of non productive migrants through that channel at the moment.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question.

So you would be happy with the system we currently have then?

I would have to look into it properly to answer....you appear to be hung up on immigration...it's not something I've thought about."

Another Brexit voter who never considered immigration.... The primary vote winning subject matter according to Farage and Gove. After so called sovereignty issue was completely debunked (by Dougan and others) the £350 million lie was busted and not a single economic argument to be had - Farage only had one more card. Immigration was the trump card that has resulted in the scarring and division in our society today.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This has probably been mentioned in the above but if not,

it Should be a points based system which takes into account age; skilled occupation which is on desired UK skills shortage list, fluent English, university or trade qualifications; at least 5 – 10 years’ experience in the qualified skill, family or partner sponsorship, employer sponsored visa, completed medical and medical insurance

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This has probably been mentioned in the above but if not,

Why should it be points based? So unskilled British people can get paid more?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

Now I really don't understand the often used argument about our young people having all this opportunity in the EU. For two reasons.

Firstly, youth unemployment is extremely high in many EU countries.

Second, if they have the skills required for a job, why couldn't they apply for and get it whether they are from an EU member states or not?

Is there no non-EU migration in other EU countries?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Permanent work to retire from disappeared as a result of the thatcher government policies .and now with a global economy is highly unlikely to return as a result if the referendum ..

Someone else sold the impossible dream ...."

To be fair I wasn't sold anything certainly not by a politician, I made my own mind up

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question.

So you would be happy with the system we currently have then?

I would have to look into it properly to answer....you appear to be hung up on immigration...it's not something I've thought about.

Thanks for hijacking what was a reasonable and interesting debate on a key issue and turning it into the same old toy / pram / they said / we said

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question.

So you would be happy with the system we currently have then?

I would have to look into it properly to answer....you appear to be hung up on immigration...it's not something I've thought about."

Only on this thread, it is called "immigration" after all!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly.

No emotive language there then .... 'drawbridges' and 'exclusive society'?

And are you inferring that because people like me said 'enough of the EU' and voted leave then 17+ million are showing 'some pretty unpleasant traits'?

You have painted a majority of those who voted in a very negative way which is a shame but hey you have a right to your opinion. But you failed to answer the question.

That's great then for my grandchildren who'll be 18 and no job to go to. At this rate our young people will be moving abroad to find work

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly.

No emotive language there then .... 'drawbridges' and 'exclusive society'?

And are you inferring that because people like me said 'enough of the EU' and voted leave then 17+ million are showing 'some pretty unpleasant traits'?

You have painted a majority of those who voted in a very negative way which is a shame but hey you have a right to your opinion. But you failed to answer the question.

That's great then for my grandchildren who'll be 18 and no job to go to. At this rate our young people will be moving abroad to find work

They will only be looking at that alternative if brexit goes ahead ..then it will be to late as being British you will have no right to freedom of movement like the Brits did in the 90 's and naughties when work was scarce in Certain British Industries ..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

It's very simple really just like A B C:

America started the chaos in the Gulf.

Blair supported it...

Cameron caused all the trouble in Libia!

The ISIS is just a business if the British stopped selling the weapons and/or threatened not to buy any more oil from South Arabia the ISIS would shrink and disappear in a few months! Terrorism is only a product from a lucrative business!

Those refugees could well go to South Arabia as the culture is much more similar BUT no they have a mission to conquer the world so they go to the near European countries such as Italy, Greece or Spain! Perhaps Europe should do like Australia and force them back to their country or send them all to UK anf USA who started all this mess really!

Talking about India and the rest of the Commonwealth (interesting word Common-wealth is it not?) well when it suited the British Empire using those countries it was all very well but when their wealth is to be shared with others... it suits them to be racist does it not? It seems to me that the Commonwealth was only one way...

Conclusion end if the British do not like immigrants perhaps they should always have stayed in their own country that they seem to like so much?

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too"

... and how many slaves was the British Empire allowed to import in UK each year at the time of the pick of their Empire?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too

... and how many slaves was the British Empire allowed to import in UK each year at the time of the pick of their Empire?"

No idea what your talking about as I did geography not history at school

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too

... and how many slaves was the British Empire allowed to import in UK each year at the time of the pick of their Empire?"

Not too sure. Probably about the same amount as Spain did.

On a different note. How does it feel knowing your country wiped out an entire civilisation?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's very simple really just like A B C:

America started the chaos in the Gulf.

Blair supported it...

Cameron caused all the trouble in Libia!

Conclusion end if the British do not like immigrants perhaps they should always have stayed in their own country that they seem to like so much?"

Don't worry. Part of the EU deal is to use the Spanish Islands as refugee camps. Leaves the mainland for all the British then

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"It's very simple really just like A B C:

America started the chaos in the Gulf.

Blair supported it...

Cameron caused all the trouble in Libia!

Conclusion end if the British do not like immigrants perhaps they should always have stayed in their own country that they seem to like so much?

Don't worry. Part of the EU deal is to use the Spanish Islands as refugee camps. Leaves the mainland for all the British then

We will hold a party for them when they arrive here ...as were not nimbys here ..

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too"

Ok thanks, at least a few people are brave enough to say what they would like the figure to be

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

If the UK refuses to take refugees then we aren't much better or kinder than the places that they flee from.

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too

... and how many slaves was the British Empire allowed to import in UK each year at the time of the pick of their Empire?

No idea what your talking about as I did geography not history at school"

The the exact point! If British do not like foreigners perhaps they should always have staied IN their own country... What they hell do they keep following the Americans?

Oh I see that's why half of the property market in London and in Manchester is owned by the Arabs! And who gives a shit about the Terrorist as long as you can make money out of the war? Right?

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"It's very simple really just like A B C:

America started the chaos in the Gulf.

Blair supported it...

Cameron caused all the trouble in Libia!

Conclusion end if the British do not like immigrants perhaps they should always have stayed in their own country that they seem to like so much?

Don't worry. Part of the EU deal is to use the Spanish Islands as refugee camps. Leaves the mainland for all the British then

Since Brexit it will become more apparent the problems in UK as they can no longer blame it on the EU who are they going to blame it to?

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

"It's very simple really just like A B C:

America started the chaos in the Gulf.

Blair supported it...

Cameron caused all the trouble in Libia!

Conclusion end if the British do not like immigrants perhaps they should always have stayed in their own country that they seem to like so much?

Don't worry. Part of the EU deal is to use the Spanish Islands as refugee camps. Leaves the mainland for all the British then

We will hold a party for them when they arrive here ...as were not nimbys here .."

Hahaha yes and we do not mind using the Arabs Numbers here do we? Perhaps the British should go back to use their own British Numbers!

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By *ity Slickers PartiesCouple (MM) over a year ago

Milan, Italy

I am proposing to cover the Tower of London garden with a Black Ceramic Rose per each slave that the British Empire has brought in UK... I would be the first to buy one!

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful? "

Last year there were 20,000 student nurses places. There were 100,000 applicants. This has been the case for some time, so I don't think you can say that there are not the people who want to be trained nor work.... but nice of you to think so highly of (mainly) our youth. There are also about 6,000 to 8,000 foreign nurses employed every year.

It costs a lot to train nurses, but it doesn't sit too well with me to think that we let other, poorer, countries,invest in training nurses that they desperately need, only to see them come to the UK.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If the UK refuses to take refugees then we aren't much better or kinder than the places that they flee from.

However as has been said, this is an island that cannot take much more and surely at some point we have to think of our own and what the future holds

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Or was a vote to Leave the EU a vote to decrease the overall levels of immigration? Should it be capped at 200,000? Less than 100,000 like the conservatives say?

What figure would you be happy for the government to announce, and what figure would you not be happy about?

Why does the number matter?

Despite what the unscientifically minded think, we are no where close to running out of space here. Why can't it be about the money?

Not more than 10,000 and I am being generous there, given 20,000 Somalian refugees are heading this way too

... and how many slaves was the British Empire allowed to import in UK each year at the time of the pick of their Empire?

No idea what your talking about as I did geography not history at school

The the exact point! If British do not like foreigners perhaps they should always have staied IN their own country... What they hell do they keep following the Americans?

Oh I see that's why half of the property market in London and in Manchester is owned by the Arabs! And who gives a shit about the Terrorist as long as you can make money out of the war? Right?"

No body said we didn't like foreigners

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I am proposing to cover the Tower of London garden with a Black Ceramic Rose per each slave that the British Empire has brought in UK... I would be the first to buy one!"

And I'm proposing we cover Madrid with one for each slave Spain used trying to forge their empire.

You also conveniently skipped my previous question. How does it feel knowing Spain wiped out an entire civilisation?

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"If the UK refuses to take refugees then we aren't much better or kinder than the places that they flee from.

However as has been said, this is an island that cannot take much more and surely at some point we have to think of our own and what the future holds"

This has never been about physical space left in the UK. We have plenty of space. If there is room for golf courses, there is room for refugees.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

so how could you vote remain if it wasn't clear what leaving involved?? How could you know you'd made the right choice then?

maybe you should have researched more

Same way as you wouldn't leave your Job if you didn't know the full facts about the new job on offer ..unless of course you are reckless with your family finances...

funny how the majority managed to find out enough facts and decide what was best for their families though eh

You asume they found facts ..and not just scared of immigration .

All it took was a few lies, a bit of breast beating and flag waving and some pretty unpleasant traits came to the surface a bit too quickly."

I think it surprised white people and the younger generation more than people my age (55). I was born in London to immigrants and grew up in a very different "un pc" country.

Almost overnight there was a change, people started treating you like a fellow human being, but only a naive fool would have believed we were living in enlightened times...It just got hidden.

The referendum, with it's focus on immigration and nationalism has emboldened "some" to say openly what they've whispered for years.

Was I surprised and think the reaction was quick?

yeah, right...It never went away just papered over.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

That's a lovely micro example but doesn't really represent the wider picture

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

That's a lovely micro example but doesn't really represent the wider picture "

Really? We were talking about hospitals, and staffing them, you said 'our own' are basically too lazy to want to be nurses, I gave you the figures proving they do, and you dismiss it as a mere 'non-representative micro example'?

So not only are our people too lazy to want to train as nurses, they don't matter anyway?

Wow..... just, wow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

That's a lovely micro example but doesn't really represent the wider picture

So not only are our people too lazy to want to train as nurses, they don't matter anyway?

Wow..... just, wow."

Were talking about the entire economy! Not just staffing hospitals!!! Just because the were 100,000 applicants, it doesn't mean that most of them were even suitable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

That's a lovely micro example but doesn't really represent the wider picture "

it represents it perfectly and the fuck you I'm alright jack mentality of remainers

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By *LCC OP Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

That's a lovely micro example but doesn't really represent the wider picture

So not only are our people too lazy to want to train as nurses, they don't matter anyway?

Wow..... just, wow."

Do you think that we should place exit controls on British nurses to make sure that they don't go and work elsewhere?

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By *andS66Couple over a year ago

Derby

"It is always depressing when Remainers try to pin others down to a very finite argument when the problem of immigration, or as I see it 'over - migration', is a very complex and wide discussion.

This country needs to control how many people come in by three simple measures:

* Define what population our infrastructure, public services and employment our economy can stand.

You know full well there's no inherent limit on our infrastructure because it's tax payer funded. More tax payers, more infrastructure.

There are as many immigrants coming here the equivalent of 2 Oxfords. That's every year...

That's a hell of a lot more investment than the 2 Billion net per year they bring on.

So how many do you think we should have?

How many do YOU think is reasonable? Or do you think there should be no limits?

As I said I am happy with the current system, free movement of labour from the EU, and then skilled workers, families, students etc. from outside the EU. I dont think that there needs to be a limit.

You understand that building hospitals and public amenities creates growth and jobs?

What would you so with "our own" that are a bit feckless and don't want to be trained into anything stressful?

That's a lovely micro example but doesn't really represent the wider picture

So not only are our people too lazy to want to train as nurses, they don't matter anyway?

Wow..... just, wow.

Were talking about the entire economy! Not just staffing hospitals!!! Just because the were 100,000 applicants, it doesn't mean that most of them were even suitable. "

No, we were talking about hospitals. And are you really saying that out of 100,000 applicants, for a profession that all of the applicants would know what the requirements are, only 20% of these are suitable? We can't find another 6,000 out of the 80,000 rejected?!

You have very little regard of British people, and it seems even less regard of our youth.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

That's an entirely different question....leaving the EU means a belief in, and return to democracy rather than being part of an increasingly controlling dictatorship.

But immigration was a key part of the referendum campaign. So I find it strange that only one leaver has so far been able to put a figure on the levels of immigration that they want to see.

But immigration was not why I voted so I can't answer your question.

So you would be happy with the system we currently have then?

I would have to look into it properly to answer....you appear to be hung up on immigration...it's not something I've thought about.

Thanks for hijacking what was a reasonable and interesting debate on a key issue and turning it into the same old toy / pram / they said / we said "

Read the thread title. It is called immigration.

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