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"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. " There won't be a referendum no 2,until the tory government negotiate a Norway type deal to replace EU membership and the brexiters start bleating that's its unfair ....lol | |||
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"The chances of a second referendum? I don't fink so." we'll see once the negotiations have started to unfold shall we . | |||
"The chances of a second referendum? I don't fink so. we'll see once the negotiations have started to unfold shall we ." The big card for Remainers was the unknown. The big card for Leavers was the unknown. I am sure we will negotiate something much better. | |||
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" I don't fink so. we'll see once the negotiations have started to unfold shall we ." There won't be a referendum no 2,until the tory government negotiate a Norway type deal to replace EU membership and the brexiters start bleating that's its unfair ....lo make your mind up _horehouse 1 min there won't be,next min we'll see do you even know what your thinking ![]() | |||
" I don't fink so. we'll see once the negotiations have started to unfold shall we . There won't be a referendum no 2,until the tory government negotiate a Norway type deal to replace EU membership and the brexiters start bleating that's its unfair ....lo make your mind up _horehouse 1 min there won't be,next min we'll see do you even know what your thinking ![]() WHAT !!!!! ....think you should have gone to spec savers | |||
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"Total waste of time. " Why? If the public mood changes, do you think they should get another chance to say so? | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs." As much as I respect your opinions, no we won't. But that could work in your favour as now the deal is in the hands of the politicians. The UK simply voted out. Not the terms of the exit. | |||
"Total waste of time. Why? If the public mood changes, do you think they should get another chance to say so? " Sounds like Sturgeon's argument. ... | |||
"Total waste of time. Why? If the public mood changes, do you think they should get another chance to say so? " How often?.....once a year, every six months...the media seems to hyping a mood change...it might be real, it might not be. | |||
"Total waste of time. Why? If the public mood changes, do you think they should get another chance to say so? " We were told it was a once in a generation decision. We decided as a country. | |||
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"I think the last 3 weeks of UK politics have caught everyone by surprise. I think the future of British politics still has surprises to come." And that is the fun of British politics. I am still waiting for labour's national executive to rule on whether Corbyn needs 20%. Sad fucker that I am. It is never boring. | |||
"I think the last 3 weeks of UK politics have caught everyone by surprise. I think the future of British politics still has surprises to come. And that is the fun of British politics. I am still waiting for labour's national executive to rule on whether Corbyn needs 20%. Sad fucker that I am. It is never boring." I thought it was exciting after the 2010 GE with all of the coalition negotiations, I bet most MPs dream of such a quiet period now! The Corbyn decision will put a cat amongst the pigeons either way. Who knows what will happen in two weeks time? Will Farage be leader of UKIP again? Will Corbyn and BoJo join forces to create a break away party? (On a side note, how pissed off do you think Gove is after Leadsom beat him and then dropped out? ![]() | |||
"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. " Have you got shares in Norway? You have this blinkered solution looking for a problem but its enjoyable... | |||
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"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. Have you got shares in Norway? You have this blinkered solution looking for a problem but its enjoyable..." Do you remember the great rock and roll swindle ...well I believe the great political swindle is just around the corner .. | |||
"No 2nd referendum. May will dit tight until the EU come begging ![]() ahhaaahaaahaah begging what? begging to give u access to united maket? lol | |||
"No 2nd referendum. May will dit tight until the EU come begging ![]() No it's the other way around as Europe exports far more to the UK than it buys from the UK so European businesses have more to lose. | |||
"No 2nd referendum. May will dit tight until the EU come begging ![]() Yes. Sit tight until the EU come begging. You got it. | |||
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"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up ...." I look forward to the time we are twined with Norway ..hope its not Switzerland cause I cant see the Brits in lederhosen yodeling ..but stranger things have happened | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... I look forward to the time we are twined with Norway ..hope its not Switzerland cause I cant see the Brits in lederhosen yodeling ..but stranger things have happened " Britain will now go on the be the dominant force in Europe again. So every country will be in debt to us and at our whim again. Think the plan is to turn the Spanish islands into refugee centres. Works for me ![]() | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up ...." Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() | |||
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"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. " South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (SGSSI) is a British overseas territory in the southern Atlantic Ocean. It is a remote and inhospitable collection of islands, consisting of South Georgia and a chain of smaller islands known as the South Sandwich Islands. South Georgia is 165 kilometres (103 mi) long and 1 to 35 km (1 to 22 miles) wide[1] and is by far the largest island in the territory. The South Sandwich Islands lie about 700 kilometres (430 mi) southeast of South Georgia.[1] The total land area of the territory is 3,903 square kilometres (1,507 sq mi).[2] There is no permanent population on the islands.[3] The present inhabitants are the British Government Officer, Deputy Postmaster, scientists, and support staff from the British Antarctic Survey who maintain scientific bases at Bird Island and at the capital, King Edward Point, as well as museum staff at nearby Grytviken. | |||
"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands (SGSSI) is a British overseas territory in the southern Atlantic Ocean. It is a remote and inhospitable collection of islands, consisting of South Georgia and a chain of smaller islands known as the South Sandwich Islands. South Georgia is 165 kilometres (103 mi) long and 1 to 35 km (1 to 22 miles) wide[1] and is by far the largest island in the territory. The South Sandwich Islands lie about 700 kilometres (430 mi) southeast of South Georgia.[1] The total land area of the territory is 3,903 square kilometres (1,507 sq mi).[2] There is no permanent population on the islands.[3] The present inhabitants are the British Government Officer, Deputy Postmaster, scientists, and support staff from the British Antarctic Survey who maintain scientific bases at Bird Island and at the capital, King Edward Point, as well as museum staff at nearby Grytviken. " All hail Google ![]() | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() Not nearly as conciliatory as the Remainers calling us Brexiters 'Scum' and 'Racists' and 'Little Englanders'? The point I was making was (as others have observed) is that we now have to crack on and get this Brexit done and dusted as Mrs May has said. We owe the EU nothing and we can now carve our own future. Conciliation by the way is a two way street... | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() But its the Brexiters saying "we have to come together now" yet at the same time still insulting half of the country. | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() Care to give us Brexiters an example of us insulting the rest of the country? That would take some effort ... ![]() | |||
"No 2nd referendum. May will dit tight until the EU come begging ![]() The problem with that analogy is that in numerical terms it may be true but the UK exports to the EU amounts to almost 50% of all of our exports and this amounts to 13% of the U.K. GDP. The EU exports to the UK amount to any 3% of its GDP and so the UK has much more to lose than the EU. | |||
"No 2nd referendum. May will dit tight until the EU come begging ![]() This is why we need to think globally now that we can. | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() ![]() Would that include where someone types: "The RAF have been ordered to send more toys to the Remainers. Their prams are dangerously short of throwing material.." or "I didn't think we could see any more disgusting abuse from the Toy throwers but here we are again"??? | |||
"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. " Probably the dodgiest petition in history. Apparently over 20,000 from the Vatican city signed it. A bit odd as the population is less than 1000. | |||
""Mr Speaker, we have an online petition that has generated enough signatures to be debated here regarding a revote on the EU Referendum" Let the debate begin Those in favour of declaring the online petition a load of shite say aye, "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", "Aye", " ![]() | |||
"Is going to be discussed in parliament. The online petition was signed by people outside the uk.. Some from north korea and the south sandwich islands which doesn't exist. Probably the dodgiest petition in history. Apparently over 20,000 from the Vatican city signed it. A bit odd as the population is less than 1000." The ineligible signatures have been removed, only British residents can sign these petitions, everyone else gets removed from the proper count. But even with the ineligible names removed it still got 40 times as many signatures as needed to get debated. | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() ![]() Or "We are all Brexit now except for the few toy throwers who live in cloud cuckoo land pondering another referendum." | |||
"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() ![]() Ah I do apologise for the first comment as I now see humour isn't a Remainer's strong point. Continual bitching about the result is akin to throwing toys out of a pram and I am happy to repeat the analogy... And the second comment was (if you actually read the words) a protest at the abuse we Brexiters were receiving. Which brings me back to my question. Quite amazing you answer it with proof I was right to ask the question ... ![]() | |||
" Or "We are all Brexit now except for the few toy throwers who live in cloud cuckoo land pondering another referendum." " Are you for real? Are you really equating that with me being called a 'poison peddling racist' and the use of 'scum' to cover over 17 million British Citizens? And so much more. When you act like children and ask for a 2nd referendum because you didn't like the result then the 'Toy / Pram' analogy is actually accurate. And where is it an 'insult'? | |||
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"No 2nd EU Referendum. No 2nd Scots referendum. No General Election. We made our decision, The Prime Minister chose to resign and now we have a new Prime Minister. Given the electorate do not elect Prime Ministers or the Leaders of parties Mrs May can 'kiss hands' later today and get to work on delivering the great opportunities being outside of the EU but still part of Europe can bring. And the Remainers still bitter can just suck it up .... Very conciliatory, way to heal the divisions ![]() ![]() ![]() To summarise that, when you insult half the country it's OK because it's just your amazing sense of humour or because someone in the playground upset you, so it doesn't really count as being insulting. On the other hand as far as your 'challenge' went, it was really very very easy to find those examples despite your bravado. I can also re-find the one where one of your 'pals' wrote that everyone who supported remain is a 'fucking idiot' and then went on at length to claim he wasn't bigoted. I think the person I've read most describing Brexit supporters as racist xenophobic scum is you. It's a bit like those people who say they aren't racist then go on ... well even you get the gist of that, surely? ![]() | |||
" I think the person I've read most describing Brexit supporters as racist xenophobic scum is you. It's a bit like those people who say they aren't racist then go on ... well even you get the gist of that, surely? " Even for you and your rather pathetic personal fixation on my words that has to be the biggest load of old bollocks I have seen for years. You do have a life? So let me get this right? I have been calling all the Brexiters 'racist' scum'? That is the most amazing piece of dissembling, distortion and misleading statements I have seen even from you ... Jeeez... ![]() | |||
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"To summarise that, when you insult half the country it's OK because it's just your amazing sense of humour or because someone in the playground upset you, so it doesn't really count as being insulting. On the other hand as far as your 'challenge' went, it was really very very easy to find those examples despite your bravado. I can also re-find the one where one of your 'pals' wrote that everyone who supported remain is a 'fucking idiot' and then went on at length to claim he wasn't bigoted. I think the person I've read most describing Brexit supporters as racist xenophobic scum is you. It's a bit like those people who say they aren't racist then go on ... well even you get the gist of that, surely? ![]() seriously mate, you need to chill out, if all of this is getting to you as much as you say here, you must be imbalanced, try a chill pill before your blood pressure blows. Some take things too bloody serious | |||
"To summarise that, when you insult half the country it's OK because it's just your amazing sense of humour or because someone in the playground upset you, so it doesn't really count as being insulting. On the other hand as far as your 'challenge' went, it was really very very easy to find those examples despite your bravado. I can also re-find the one where one of your 'pals' wrote that everyone who supported remain is a 'fucking idiot' and then went on at length to claim he wasn't bigoted. I think the person I've read most describing Brexit supporters as racist xenophobic scum is you. It's a bit like those people who say they aren't racist then go on ... well even you get the gist of that, surely? ![]() I'm perfectly calm pal - you're the one who thought it was right for the army to revolt because people had views opposing yours. You need to go for a rid on that moped of yours and enjoy the calming effects of tarmac under your wheels. ![]() ![]() | |||
" I think the person I've read most describing Brexit supporters as racist xenophobic scum is you. It's a bit like those people who say they aren't racist then go on ... well even you get the gist of that, surely? Even for you and your rather pathetic personal fixation on my words that has to be the biggest load of old bollocks I have seen for years. You do have a life? So let me get this right? I have been calling all the Brexiters 'racist' scum'? That is the most amazing piece of dissembling, distortion and misleading statements I have seen even from you ... Jeeez... ![]() Have a little read through your own stuff, sonny boy. Every chance you can you put in the 'remainers keep throwing their toys out and calling you racist, xenophobic scum' line so that you can act hurt and sorry for yourself before going on to your next sermon. You spend a lot of time on here insulting and patronising people and then accusing them of insulting you when they have the temerity to respond. For someone so apparently thin skinned it's a dangerous occupation - think of your health young man. | |||
" I think the person I've read most describing Brexit supporters as racist xenophobic scum is you. It's a bit like those people who say they aren't racist then go on ... well even you get the gist of that, surely? Even for you and your rather pathetic personal fixation on my words that has to be the biggest load of old bollocks I have seen for years. You do have a life? So let me get this right? I have been calling all the Brexiters 'racist' scum'? That is the most amazing piece of dissembling, distortion and misleading statements I have seen even from you ... Jeeez... ![]() In fairness there are numerous examples on this forum alone of 'remainers' calling Brexiters'stupid, idiots, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, scum, facist, etc etc without knowing a single thing about that person. When your only argument is an insult you have no argument. But it is time to move forward together. The nation is not divided, there is just a minority who crave negativity. To coin a phrase; we are all Brexiters now. | |||
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""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote." We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote." not exactly true now is it we can all vote every 5 years to change party but whether you like it or not, we are ALL out of the EU for good and as for this foolish nonsense regarding a 2nd referendum, let the fools keep on believing, but unfortunately for the once remainers it wont happen. So, lets just say; "get used to it" | |||
"Total waste of time. Why? If the public mood changes, do you think they should get another chance to say so? We were told it was a once in a generation decision. We decided as a country. " Once in a generation? How would that work? This was a once in all of our lifetimes vote. | |||
"Total waste of time. Why? If the public mood changes, do you think they should get another chance to say so? We were told it was a once in a generation decision. We decided as a country. Once in a generation? How would that work? This was a once in all of our lifetimes vote." Well the older generation got two referendums on it, if only the younger generation had got to vote on this one (so older and younger got one vote each) then we would have stayed in. | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward." We are NOT all Brexiters. | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters." Yes we are ![]() | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() No, some people were, some people weren't. To say "We're all Brexiters now" is as truthful as saying "We're all Racists now" | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() Ah, the always popular "racist" comparison. Are you going to chuck in Nazi/Hitler as well? ![]() | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() Why would we all be racists? We are leaving the EU, so unless you get a new nationality and move to another country in the EU you are a Brexiter by default. | |||
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""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() You missed the point, I am saying that "we're all Brexiters" is not true, and that "we are all Racists" isn't true either! | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() So because we are currently in does that automatically make you a Europhile? | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Using "racist" in a comparative is divisive as I expect you realise. | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() But we will all be Brexiters. What I do not understand is; why reference racism? Are you trying to imply something? | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Well some people find being called a Brexiter as offensive as being called a racist. | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Does that include yourself? | |||
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"No 2nd referendum. May will dit tight until the EU come begging ![]() We didnt vote out for some twat to hand over our vontrols in another way to the EU we don not need to get on our knees to beg. We have the upper hand. The Eu puts trade barriers on our goods we can do the same to them and as they sell 2 times more to us we come out on top there. Second point is the Eu can not do any thing to the UK with out damaging one of there own the Irish Republic. Now we dont want them to go down and out but it is the EU which is demanding no individual state makes deals with us, We also get our limits back and can stop EU fishing boats destroying our fishing grounds. Giving them a chance to recover. | |||
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""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Yes | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Brexiter | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Brexiter ![]() | |||
""We're all Brexiters now" is a silly phrase. When the Tories won the last election did people say "We're all Conservatives now"? We all have to live with the results of the referendum but we don't all have to like it or support it. Just the same as any other vote. We are all Brexiters as it can't be changed. Unless you move to the EU permanently. Same way as we would of all been Remainers if the vote went the other way. Fact is we are where we are and we need to be united as we move forward. We are NOT all Brexiters. Yes we are ![]() ![]() Brexiter ![]() | |||
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"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() I think that can only be aimed at a very small minority now. The grown ups have come to terms with where we are and accept positivity is the way forward ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() And it's going to be down to the conciliatory and consensus winning attitudes of people like you that the country unites? | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() David Lammy MP was on Daily Politics gobbing off about a 2nd referendum and if not that Parliament must vote on Brexit and if that didn't work we must have a 3rd Referendum on the final deal blah blah... and was quietly taken apart by Frank Field MP .. Both Labour MPs by the way. Remainers are sounding more and more like the SNP every day in their 'cloud cuckoo land' ideas. A term used by Frank Field MP ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 'Gobbing off'? I hope you spoke with more decorum and less like a grubby little scrote when you met the lovely Andrea Leadsom and all the other notaries you claim to be on terms with. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Pathetic ..... ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Walter Mitty ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() When losers like you stop throwing your toys out of your prams and accept the result of the referendum, then the winners on the Leave side will also move on. As long as idiots like you keep demanding 2nd referendums, or trying to overturn the result then Leavers will continue to take the piss out of you. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() I doubt that your intelligence level entitles you to insult others on that basis or any other. I hadn't demanded a second referendum - you couldn't even get that right - though the more we hear from lunatics and liars like you on the far right the more I wonder about it. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Leave side can’t even agree on the result of the referendum and what leaving the EU actually means! | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() The Leave side believe that it is best to leave the EU. The Remain side believe that it is best to remain. Neither side have been able to come to a conclusive decision on what their argument means for the future. The Remainers have access to a crystal ball as much as the Leavers. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Does leaving the EU mean leaving the single market? Does leaving the EU mean leaving the European Arrest Warrant? Does leaving the EU mean kicking out current EU citizens living in the EU? Does leaving the EU mean leaving the Erasmus Program? Does leaving the EU stop free movement? | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() We don't know yet. Does remaining mean yet more restrictions? Does remaining mean yet more infringements on what we can do internally? Does remaining mean that our economy is shackled to trade deals done by the EU? Does remaining mean we will have to bail Italy out? The questions go on and on. But when a Remainer uses uncertainty as an argument, it is a poor one. There is as much uncertainty in remaining as there is in leaving. Perhaps the only certainty is that we have our own destiny in our hands and not in other people's hands. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Where was the uncertainty in remaining? Anything big was covered by treaty change and we had a veto over it. People who voted to leave don't know what they actually voted for. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Mr Cameron secured fook all. If he had, we would not have voted to leave. He couldn't, poor chap, because the EU is an institution not amenable to change. Why is it that you think remainers are able to predict the future yet believe that leavers don't know what they voted for? You may think that you know better than the majority of the population who voted. You may or may not be wrong. You may think that the majority of the population who voted are stupid. On that, I reckon you are wrong. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Your location says London/Kent so I'd say you are a prime suspect to be one of those muppets I mentioned earlier who appeared in the Remain sore loser videos on YouTube attending the march in London for a 2nd referendum the other week. It really doesn't sound like you have yet fully accepted the result of the referendum from the whinging nature of your posts on this thread and other threads. I suppose you also think the other 17 and a half million people who voted Leave on June 23rd are lunatics, liars and far right supporters? ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() One is based on 40+ years of experience, one is based on hopes, dreams and hastily abandoned promises is it not? My arguements are based on a huge number of experts in their fields, Brexit was not supported by experts, and one of the leaders of the campaign said don't even listen to the experts. So I'm not saying that Im more intelligent than the next voter, im saying that the Bank of England know more about the Economy than the average voter, Stephen Hawking knows more about science than the average voter, NATO knows more about Defence than the average voter etc. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Seeing as the new Prime Minister Theresa May has appointed Boris Johnson as foreign secretary, Liam Fox as international business development secretary and most importantly David Davis as the new secretary of state for Brexit I'm very happy to now leave it in their very capable hands to get the job done of removing us from the EU. They all played a good part in the Leave campaign. David Davis in particular has been a staunch and prominent eurosceptic for many many years, I think his appointment is a very good one for Britain. ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Would that be the former governor of the bank of England sir Mervyn King who said the euro zone is doomed to failure then. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Strange ramblings especially as farage was saying on the night of the referendum if the out vote lost the fight would go on ..well its the same for the remain camp the fight goes on were not all going to be brexit sheep .. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Both are based on 40+ years of experience. There were "experts" on both sides. Mr Hawking is a great scientist. He is not, as far as I am aware, an expert on the economy. We are still and will continue to be a member of NATO. I suspect that the average voter has an IQ of about 100. And quite able to come to a rational conclusion, having sifted through the often extreme arguments put forward by both sides. You seem to have less confidence in the public's ability to make an informed decision, for some reason. Personally, I did not want to be a part of an unaccountable organization to which we paid more than we got back and which dictated how we spent our money. But, hey ho, in your eyes I am clearly deluded. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There won't be an EU to rejoin in 5 to 10 years time. Farage said last week that the EU is dying. Other countries will have referendums and now leave too. Farage predicted it will be Denmark or Holland next. Brexit will be the start of a domino effect that will see the whole rotten organisation collapse. ![]() | |||
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"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() We live in hope. ![]() | |||
" Does leaving the EU mean leaving the single market?" Yes. " Does leaving the EU mean leaving the European Arrest Warrant?" If we wish to. " Does leaving the EU mean kicking out current EU citizens living in the EU?" No as long as the EU doesn't kick out Brits. That has already been made very clear. " Does leaving the EU mean leaving the Erasmus Program?" Its 'Erasmus+' and you can take your pick from any one of 32 countries in Europe, with whom your university or college has an agreement. Note 'Europe' not just 'EU'. " Does leaving the EU stop free movement?" We have had this already. Free movement of what? Capital? No. That moves wherever the owners want it to. Goods? No not if the Eu are sensible as that is not a Brexit matter that is a trade matter and we have the levers more than the EU does. Remember that £61 Bn deficit? People? No. Brits can go anywhere they want as long as they have a Passport. But yes it does mean we no longer have to give housing, benefits, schooling and health cover and jobs for anyone that just turns up (from the EU). Any more myths you need busting? ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() There will ne a stronger more prosperous EU without the UK to hold it back ..so dont be jealous because you have decided to not be part of it ..just move on out | |||
"England lost to Iceland. Northern Ireland lost to Wales. Wales lost to France. France lost to Portugal. But hey. They were all close games so lets have another go at the tournament. ![]() The FA are asking Iceland for a 2nd rerun as they didn't understand the rules.... ![]() | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Of course. Silly me. I forgot all about the powerhouse economies in the EU. Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, Cyprus, Romania, Bulgaria, Latvia, Lithuania, and don't forget Albania joining soon. France are also in the shit, Belgium is virtually bankrupt and if it wasn't for Britain and the Germans the whole bloody lot would have collapsed years ago. Get real. The EU has 10 years to live. Maximum. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Such doom and gloom ...you're really negative ..think you better focus you're attentions to the version of out you might get ... | |||
" There won't be an EU to rejoin in 5 to 10 years time. Farage said last week that the EU is dying. Other countries will have referendums and now leave too. Farage predicted it will be Denmark or Holland next. Brexit will be the start of a domino effect that will see the whole rotten organisation collapse. ![]() Well the Yanks don't agree ... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/23/these-countries-could-be-next-if-britain-leaves-the-e-u/ The EU just lost: * The 5th largest economy in the world. * Its 2nd largest economy. * Some 65 million internal consumers and is now 13% smaller. * Some 2.3 Billion Euros of internal GDP which is now some 16.5% smaller. * The most powerful 'soft power' nation in the world which is now pissed off at the EU. *The only EU country supporting NATO with 2% of GDP on military spending. And why? Because the EU sees 'reform' as more political union, more bureaucracy, more costs and more control from the centre where we saw 'reform' as the opposite. Their stupidity brought this about not the "lunatic / racist / xenophobic, unintelligent Little Englanders" who just had the guts to stand up and say 'Fuck off we have had enough shit!'. | |||
" There won't be an EU to rejoin in 5 to 10 years time. Farage said last week that the EU is dying. Other countries will have referendums and now leave too. Farage predicted it will be Denmark or Holland next. Brexit will be the start of a domino effect that will see the whole rotten organisation collapse. ![]() Naw you cant have had enough shit as you voted for a whole lot more of it with brexit ..still you can now all be happy as pigs in shit ...lol | |||
" There won't be an EU to rejoin in 5 to 10 years time. Farage said last week that the EU is dying. Other countries will have referendums and now leave too. Farage predicted it will be Denmark or Holland next. Brexit will be the start of a domino effect that will see the whole rotten organisation collapse. ![]() You get more pathetic by the hour. ![]() | |||
"England lost to Iceland. Northern Ireland lost to Wales. Wales lost to France. France lost to Portugal. But hey. They were all close games so lets have another go at the tournament. ![]() ![]() There is going to be another tournament in 4 years, so that means you think that there should be another referendum in 4 years? | |||
" Does leaving the EU mean leaving the single market? Yes. Does leaving the EU mean leaving the European Arrest Warrant? If we wish to. Does leaving the EU mean kicking out current EU citizens living in the EU? No as long as the EU doesn't kick out Brits. That has already been made very clear. Does leaving the EU mean leaving the Erasmus Program? Its 'Erasmus+' and you can take your pick from any one of 32 countries in Europe, with whom your university or college has an agreement. Note 'Europe' not just 'EU'. Does leaving the EU stop free movement? We have had this already. Free movement of what? Capital? No. That moves wherever the owners want it to. Goods? No not if the Eu are sensible as that is not a Brexit matter that is a trade matter and we have the levers more than the EU does. Remember that £61 Bn deficit? People? No. Brits can go anywhere they want as long as they have a Passport. But yes it does mean we no longer have to give housing, benefits, schooling and health cover and jobs for anyone that just turns up (from the EU). Any more myths you need busting? ![]() aahah big amount of bullshit lol | |||
" There won't be an EU to rejoin in 5 to 10 years time. Farage said last week that the EU is dying. Other countries will have referendums and now leave too. Farage predicted it will be Denmark or Holland next. Brexit will be the start of a domino effect that will see the whole rotten organisation collapse. ![]() ![]() Wow strong words from a strong man do you really think I care what you thing dont flatter yourself "pathetic " man as previously posted I will always post my opinion .... | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Did I say that Hawkings was an expert on the economy? Yes we are still members of NATO, but NATO still thinks we should have remained, having the economies of Europe closely linked through a single market has what has kept peace in Europe for 70 years. If you could point me to the 40+ years experience that we have of Leaving the EU that would be great. I know we have experience from before, but obviously we thought it was better to join, than say outside of it. So please tell me about the 40+ years we have after having left the EU. | |||
"England lost to Iceland. Northern Ireland lost to Wales. Wales lost to France. France lost to Portugal. But hey. They were all close games so lets have another go at the tournament. ![]() ![]() How many referenda do you want? Just until you get the result that sits with your beliefs? We had a referendum. A lot of folk voted. It resulted in a leave. I don't think anyone believes that the ballot boxes were fraudulently stuffed. Whatever you think about the result, it might be time for you to take on board that the majority of the voting population voted to leave. It really is as simple as that. They are not anymore stupid as those voting to remain. It is called democracy. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() We have kept peace in Europe because no fookers there have done anything too aggresive. We are members of NATO, are we not? Peace in Europe is threatened more by being a member than otherwise. | |||
"England lost to Iceland. Northern Ireland lost to Wales. Wales lost to France. France lost to Portugal. But hey. They were all close games so lets have another go at the tournament. ![]() ![]() Not that simple for the tory party looking to get re-elected in 2020 .. And I'm personally that naive to believe any government does exactly what they say or give exactly what the majority wants .. | |||
"Rod Liddle today described the famous biologist Richard Dawkins as 'the latest bed wetting gimp' to demand a 2nd referendum ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Nope, I only identified one lunatic and liar. You do have a few pals on here too who obviously have trouble with the truth and potentially sanity, as well as there being a great number of people who of course are perfectly reasonable. | |||
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"England lost to Iceland. Northern Ireland lost to Wales. Wales lost to France. France lost to Portugal. But hey. They were all close games so lets have another go at the tournament. ![]() ![]() Erm, and that means what? | |||
"Reading this thread and others like it elsewhere leads me to believe that the UK will be a very divided nation for a long, long time to come. " Don't worry, we are not divided. We are all Brexiters now ![]() | |||
"England lost to Iceland. Northern Ireland lost to Wales. Wales lost to France. France lost to Portugal. But hey. They were all close games so lets have another go at the tournament. ![]() ![]() They were comparing it to the results of a football tournament that is played every 4 years. That's all. | |||
"Whatever you think about the result, it might be time for you to take on board that the majority of the voting population voted to leave. " No, it was only 38%, sorry to burst your bubble. | |||
" We have kept peace in Europe because no fookers there have done anything too aggresive. We are members of NATO, are we not? Peace in Europe is threatened more by being a member than otherwise." Peace in Europe has come about by tying the economies of Europe so closely together as to make war impossible. That was the main aim of the European Coal and Steal Community, the grandfather of the EU. Plenty of people on here have said that they not only want the UK to leave, but that they want the whole of the EU itself to collapse. Without the economies being tied together, you are much more likely to see tension and aggresion between previously peaceful neighbours. | |||
"Reading this thread and others like it elsewhere leads me to believe that the UK will be a very divided nation for a long, long time to come. " I agree, a very long time, but I think that this is just the beginning. At the moment the split is simply along the Leave/Remain lines, once we get into the negotiations the Leave camp is going to splinter. The Leave camp is a broad church that agree on a single issue, but once the negotiations start there will be a myriad of issues that will split them again and again and again as such a broad church wont all agree on the same things. | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs." And since then...the opt outs were taken away. Monetary union happened. Union citizenship hapoened. Common defence is being discussed already......so much for European democracy! | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs. And since then...the opt outs were taken away. Monetary union happened. Union citizenship hapoened. Common defence is being discussed already......so much for European democracy!" If you could direct me to the treaty were those opt outs were taken away from Denmark that would be super. | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs. And since then...the opt outs were taken away. Monetary union happened. Union citizenship hapoened. Common defence is being discussed already......so much for European democracy! If you could direct me to the treaty were those opt outs were taken away from Denmark that would be super." Are leading the negotiations then ![]() | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs. And since then...the opt outs were taken away. Monetary union happened. Union citizenship hapoened. Common defence is being discussed already......so much for European democracy! If you could direct me to the treaty were those opt outs were taken away from Denmark that would be super. Are leading the negotiations then ![]() I don’t understand what you mean. Which treaty stripped Denmark of the rights mentioned above? Tell me which document took the opt puts away from Denmark against Denmark’s will. | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs. And since then...the opt outs were taken away. Monetary union happened. Union citizenship hapoened. Common defence is being discussed already......so much for European democracy! If you could direct me to the treaty were those opt outs were taken away from Denmark that would be super. Are leading the negotiations then ![]() My apologies, I missed a word out ![]() ![]() | |||
"Maybe we will have this: In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty. After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defence. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs. And since then...the opt outs were taken away. Monetary union happened. Union citizenship hapoened. Common defence is being discussed already......so much for European democracy! If you could direct me to the treaty were those opt outs were taken away from Denmark that would be super. Are leading the negotiations then ![]() ![]() ![]() Oh, so you mean you don’t know? Or maybe it never happened? | |||
"Reading this thread and others like it elsewhere leads me to believe that the UK will be a very divided nation for a long, long time to come. I agree, a very long time, but I think that this is just the beginning. At the moment the split is simply along the Leave/Remain lines, once we get into the negotiations the Leave camp is going to splinter. The Leave camp is a broad church that agree on a single issue, but once the negotiations start there will be a myriad of issues that will split them again and again and again as such a broad church wont all agree on the same things." One might also argue that the Remain side could also split along Party Lines. Party Politics is tribal always has been. And maybe its a sign of the strength of dislike for how the EU is treating the UK that people from across the political divide joined together to argue for Brexit. One of the most impressive people in Vote Leave for example was Gisela Stuart.A Labour MP. One might also argue that as we work our way through the negotiations, start to get results and people see that the Locusts aren't coming and the sun still rises in the morning they will also say 'Brexit isn't so bad after all'. Or are you saying that only the Brexit side will have doubters? | |||
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