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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Had the guts to call a referendum,but not a plan if the result was not what he wanted.
Left the country with a strong economy.
Managed to hold a coalition together.
You may think these are good or bad points but he has a legacy,I think history will look upon him favourably. |
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"Had the guts to call a referendum,but not a plan if the result was not what he wanted.
Left the country with a strong economy.
Managed to hold a coalition together.
You may think these are good or bad points but he has a legacy,I think history will look upon him favourably."
I tend to agree. |
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"Had the guts to call a referendum,but not a plan if the result was not what he wanted.
Left the country with a strong economy.
Managed to hold a coalition together.
You may think these are good or bad points but he has a legacy,I think history will look upon him favourably."
His mistake was having called the Referendum he then took part in it. He should (as PM) have stood back, remained neutral and kept the Government machine the hell out. And saved us all £9 million. First misjudgement. He then went an election campaign when it was a Referendum and insulted half the population. Second misjudgement. And he paid the price.
But he did the honourable thing and resigned as Leader immediately. He has now shown great Statesmanship by arranging a quick transfer of power within 2 days.
Someone else said he hadn't been long in power. he was leader of the Conservatives for some 11 years and PM for 6 having won 2 elections. I think he is the 5th longest serving PM under HM the Queen after Blair, Major, Thatcher and Wilson.
I think his legacy is safe. |
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"Had the guts to call a referendum,but not a plan if the result was not what he wanted.
Left the country with a strong economy.
Managed to hold a coalition together.
You may think these are good or bad points but he has a legacy,I think history will look upon him favourably.
His mistake was having called the Referendum he then took part in it. He should (as PM) have stood back, remained neutral and kept the Government machine the hell out. And saved us all £9 million. First misjudgement. He then went an election campaign when it was a Referendum and insulted half the population. Second misjudgement. And he paid the price.
But he did the honourable thing and resigned as Leader immediately. He has now shown great Statesmanship by arranging a quick transfer of power within 2 days.
Someone else said he hadn't been long in power. he was leader of the Conservatives for some 11 years and PM for 6 having won 2 elections. I think he is the 5th longest serving PM under HM the Queen after Blair, Major, Thatcher and Wilson.
I think his legacy is safe."
He only won one election..
At a time when labour were deeply unpopular and on the slide he couldn not win a majority in 2010..
And the one he won he was so surprised by it that he had by all accounts wrote a losing speech..
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" He only won one election..
At a time when labour were deeply unpopular and on the slide he couldn not win a majority in 2010..
And the one he won he was so surprised by it that he had by all accounts wrote a losing speech.. "
Oh come on ... He led the largest party after the 2010 elections so he won it. He then needed the LibDems to join to form a Government with a majority. Two different things.
He has served two terms as Prime Minister. He won two elections ... |
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" He only won one election..
At a time when labour were deeply unpopular and on the slide he couldn not win a majority in 2010..
And the one he won he was so surprised by it that he had by all accounts wrote a losing speech..
Oh come on ... He led the largest party after the 2010 elections so he won it. He then needed the LibDems to join to form a Government with a majority. Two different things.
He has served two terms as Prime Minister. He won two elections ..."
A contradiction there..
Yes he won the most seats but was still 20 short of an outright majority at a time when we were 2 years post the economic crash of 08..
With a labour party in governance for 13 years he should have been able to command a majority, Blair certainly did..
Cameron stuttered across the line and if the lib doom's (remember them ??) had of gone with labour Cameron may have been deposed as Tory leader..
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" He only won one election..
At a time when labour were deeply unpopular and on the slide he couldn not win a majority in 2010..
And the one he won he was so surprised by it that he had by all accounts wrote a losing speech..
Oh come on ... He led the largest party after the 2010 elections so he won it. He then needed the LibDems to join to form a Government with a majority. Two different things.
He has served two terms as Prime Minister. He won two elections ...
A contradiction there..
Yes he won the most seats but was still 20 short of an outright majority at a time when we were 2 years post the economic crash of 08..
With a labour party in governance for 13 years he should have been able to command a majority, Blair certainly did..
Cameron stuttered across the line and if the lib doom's (remember them ??) had of gone with labour Cameron may have been deposed as Tory leader..
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As I said winning an election and not having a majority are two different things. He could have governed as a minority Government... Oh and maybe you should go back to count the votes. Labour and LibDem together were still short of a majority against all other parties.
So if I play poker and end up with more chips than anyone else I haven't won because the others together have more chips?.... |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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i think there are things that will be seen as his legecy...
for example... the fact that he went against a shed load of his own party and supported gay marriage....
he has the balls to go into coalition... i don't think there would have been many tories that would even have thought about that.... |
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No matter what his political legacy...
Being the man who caused the UK to leave the EU (so he could have an extra year in power).
Being the man who will be remembered for causing the breakup of the UK (so he could have an extra year in power).
Being the man who ran away from the consequences of his actions within hours of the Brexit vote...
He will be remembered as the PM who fucked a pigs head. LoL |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Had the guts to call a referendum,but not a plan if the result was not what he wanted.
Left the country with a strong economy.
Managed to hold a coalition together.
You may think these are good or bad points but he has a legacy,I think history will look upon him favourably.
I tend to agree. "
I hate to break it to you two but I think history will be kind to him too.
Personally, I don't have much time for the man. He is more manager than leader. However, I can see history judging him as managing the only successful coalition this country has seen.
Once he was told he couldn't have a last holiday to China with POTUS I think he and Sam decided that they might as well have a lovely summer with the children. They don't even have to do the packing to move back to the West London house as Number 10 does that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What will his legacy be?
A failed intervention in Libya or his gambling on sorting out the euro sceptics and losing?
Pretty short tenure as a prime minister governing a single party.."
how about taking more money from the sick and disabled with so called spare room subsidy, when they need somewhere to store medical equipment, so the rich bankers can be reimbursed for their greed. |
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"What will his legacy be?
A failed intervention in Libya or his gambling on sorting out the euro sceptics and losing?
Pretty short tenure as a prime minister governing a single party.. how about taking more money from the sick and disabled with so called spare room subsidy, when they need somewhere to store medical equipment, so the rich bankers can be reimbursed for their greed. "
Nicely misrepresented... the 5th longest serving PM in the Queen's reign is a 'short tenure'? How long did Brown last?
What you call the Bedroom Tax ignores the fact that it is neither a tax nor is it being charged on all bedrooms. Much effort is put out misleading and scaring old people (existing pensioners are exempt), misleading military families (they are exempt), those not getting Housing Benefit (the Surcharge is just on those who receive it).
So I guess we can say the same about Blair and Brown or is it OK for Labour to do the same thing to private tenants of course? (They called it Local Housing Allowance in 2008).
And lest we forget it was the harsh decisions the Coalition had to take saved this country from economic oblivion after Brown destroyed our economy .... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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That is crap!! The disabled should have been exempt, and they are not. The spare room subsidy i.e the bedroom tax is a tiny tiny saving hitting the weakest in society and you can't accept that fact! The bankers are raking it in on this lousy government which you ignore! |
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"That is crap!! The disabled should have been exempt, and they are not. The spare room subsidy i.e the bedroom tax is a tiny tiny saving hitting the weakest in society and you can't accept that fact! The bankers are raking it in on this lousy government which you ignore! "
The terms of the Spare Room Subsidy are exactly the same as the Labour Local Housing Allowance where the amount of Housing Benefit paid is reduced to the number of rooms occupied. Except there are NO exemptions for Private Tenants whereas there are many exemptions (and especially for the disabled) for the Public Sector tenants. So it is NOT crap at all and it is you who needs to go and read up the facts rather than trot out the Labour Party Soundbites.
Why is it wrong for Council Tenants in 2013 and OK for Private Tenants (who pay higher rents and need Housing Benefit more than Council Tenants) in 2008? Bloody Leftie hypocrisy at its worst...
Oh and then of course you have to mention bankers who are in fact paying more in tax than they ever did before. And the top 3,000 rich you despise who pay more tax than the other 9 million. Oh wait .... Labour didn't give you a soundbite for that? |
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"What will his legacy be?
A failed intervention in Libya or his gambling on sorting out the euro sceptics and losing?
Pretty short tenure as a prime minister governing a single party.. how about taking more money from the sick and disabled with so called spare room subsidy, when they need somewhere to store medical equipment, so the rich bankers can be reimbursed for their greed.
Nicely misrepresented... the 5th longest serving PM in the Queen's reign is a 'short tenure'? How long did Brown last?
What you call the Bedroom Tax ignores the fact that it is neither a tax nor is it being charged on all bedrooms. Much effort is put out misleading and scaring old people (existing pensioners are exempt), misleading military families (they are exempt), those not getting Housing Benefit (the Surcharge is just on those who receive it).
So I guess we can say the same about Blair and Brown or is it OK for Labour to do the same thing to private tenants of course? (They called it Local Housing Allowance in 2008).
And lest we forget it was the harsh decisions the Coalition had to take saved this country from economic oblivion after Brown destroyed our economy ...."
You are totally right! Calling it a bedroom tax is wrong.
It is a tax on unemployed benefit recipients.
So it is an unemployment tax!
So much more equitable, don't you agree?  |
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" You are totally right! Calling it a bedroom tax is wrong.
It is a tax on unemployed benefit recipients.
So it is an unemployment tax!
So much more equitable, don't you agree? "
OK lets call it a Bedroom Tax or whatever. This 'Tax' was created by the Labour Government but exclusively for Private Tenants. Selective taxation by the party of equality... Hmmmm
So Private Tenants never lose their job or get sick or are disabled according to your theory? And when Labour brought this 'Tax' in they never offered Councils any Discretionary Funds, or excluded Military families or assisted those with special needs or medical conditions. No THEY just hit everyone in the Private Sector claiming Housing Benefit. And left their Client State already living on subsidised rents alone to enjoy all their Housing Benefits in full.
So it was Labour who created your 'Unemployment Tax'....
Don't gob off at the Tories. Gob off at Blair and Brown who started all this shit in the first place. At least the Coalition brought in equality for all under this so called 'Tax'.... |
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Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. |
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. "
all cameron has done is perpetuate this shit. There!s a lot of the poor, disabled and disadvantaged who think his legacy is crap., only the rich and greedy thinks he's done a marvelous job.
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. all cameron has done is perpetuate this shit. There!s a lot of the poor, disabled and disadvantaged who think his legacy is crap., only the rich and greedy thinks he's done a marvelous job. "
You make it sound like a bad thing  I think he's done a marvelous job  Only the bone idle think he hasn't  |
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. "
I am a lifelong Tory and I care greatly for the less fortunate, sick and disabled. And I know many others who are like me. I took care of my late Mother as best I could as do so many other sons and daughters who look after their sick parents. Do NOT lecture people like us about caring. That isn't the sole privilege of the Left...
And as for the disgusting way you describe Cameron you seem to forget the love and care he gave to his severely disabled son who later died. I suspect Cameron knows a damn sight more about caring for the sick and losing children than you do .... Shame on you! |
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"And as for the disgusting way you describe Cameron you seem to forget the love and care he gave to his severely disabled son who later died. I suspect Cameron knows a damn sight more about caring for the sick and losing children than you do .... Shame on you!"
Was that the one he left in the pub? |
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. all cameron has done is perpetuate this shit. There!s a lot of the poor, disabled and disadvantaged who think his legacy is crap., only the rich and greedy thinks he's done a marvelous job.
You make it sound like a bad thing I think he's done a marvelous job Only the bone idle think he hasn't "
Lefties love the bone idle because they want people to be perpetually dependant on them. What scares them is the idea that people could take charge of their own destiny rather than have a government dictate it to them. |
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. all cameron has done is perpetuate this shit. There!s a lot of the poor, disabled and disadvantaged who think his legacy is crap., only the rich and greedy thinks he's done a marvelous job.
You make it sound like a bad thing I think he's done a marvelous job Only the bone idle think he hasn't
Lefties love the bone idle because they want people to be perpetually dependant on them. What scares them is the idea that people could take charge of their own destiny rather than have a government dictate it to them. "
What was known as the 'Client State' and which has been progressively dismantled by this Tory PM.
One initiative that impressed me was the action taken over 'Troubled Families'. there was no political benefit for Cameron at all but he put money and people into turning many families around. Families that had not seen people work in decades, who caused social mayhem and who were always on the Police radar. And it has been a quiet success. |
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"And as for the disgusting way you describe Cameron you seem to forget the love and care he gave to his severely disabled son who later died. I suspect Cameron knows a damn sight more about caring for the sick and losing children than you do .... Shame on you!
Was that the one he left in the pub?"
Oh dear. A typically ignorant Leftie soundbite...
Cameron lives in a world surrounded by Security people and on that occasion he and Samantha were in two cars for that reason. He had to leave quickly. Someone in that team thought someone else had got the child. How many families have done that?
But of course to the biased amongst us this one event overrides a lifetime's devotion to a very severely disabled son who later died |
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing. all cameron has done is perpetuate this shit. There!s a lot of the poor, disabled and disadvantaged who think his legacy is crap., only the rich and greedy thinks he's done a marvelous job.
You make it sound like a bad thing I think he's done a marvelous job Only the bone idle think he hasn't
Lefties love the bone idle because they want people to be perpetually dependant on them. What scares them is the idea that people could take charge of their own destiny rather than have a government dictate it to them.
What was known as the 'Client State' and which has been progressively dismantled by this Tory PM.
One initiative that impressed me was the action taken over 'Troubled Families'. there was no political benefit for Cameron at all but he put money and people into turning many families around. Families that had not seen people work in decades, who caused social mayhem and who were always on the Police radar. And it has been a quiet success."
Cameron's most successful policy will always be that benefits are capped at the average wage of 27k. Overwhelmingly popular with the sensible people who make up 75% of the population. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Widening the gap between rich and poor
Persecuting the disabled and unemployed for tory ideology and not economical reasons..
Increasing the suicide rate amongst the victims of those in most need of help due to tory ideology |
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"He will be known as a deserter and to have torn britain in half with the brexit, which can not be healed as the damage is done."
Shag you do talk some twaddle, he was naive to commit to the vote but had to go through with it and did..
Given the outcome he had no choice but to resign, the nature of the game not exactly desertion..
And whilst we are where we are do not under estimate the ability of the people of this country to get on with it albeit whilst having a moan..
We and I speak as someone who voted to remain have had much darker days in our history and come through.. |
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"That is crap!! The disabled should have been exempt, and they are not. The spare room subsidy i.e the bedroom tax is a tiny tiny saving hitting the weakest in society and you can't accept that fact! The bankers are raking it in on this lousy government which you ignore! "
Bankers are paid by PLCs so how can you credit the government for bankers raking it in.
Who cares what bankers earn. The directors renumeration has to be approved by the shareholders every year . |
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"That is crap!! The disabled should have been exempt, and they are not. The spare room subsidy i.e the bedroom tax is a tiny tiny saving hitting the weakest in society and you can't accept that fact! The bankers are raking it in on this lousy government which you ignore! Bankers are paid by PLCs so how can you credit the government for bankers raking it in.
Who cares what bankers earn. The directors renumeration has to be approved by the shareholders every year . "
Who cares? The proponents of the politics of envy for one... |
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"What will his legacy be?
A failed intervention in Libya or his gambling on sorting out the euro sceptics and losing?
Pretty short tenure as a prime minister governing a single party.."
A great leader who lead the country through very difficult circumstances . The economy is now booming . Just look at new car sales over the past five years. Or the performance of the stock exchange .
He is a practical down to earth person who can mix well with everyone and is welcome in his local pub. A man who appreciates the value of money and bought his wife a ten year old Nissan Micra from a local car dealership.
He is prepared to listen and gave everyone in Britain the chance to decide on membership of the EU.
A great leader who did a fantastic job of managing the economy . The performance of the FTSE since 2009 onwards speaks for itself . |
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"Get one thing straight.. The tories never.. And never will look after the sick, disabled, lower working classes. They look after their own.. That is the rich elite. It is tory ideology to make sure those most in need of help suffer, regardless of how bad or good the economy is doing.
I am a lifelong Tory and I care greatly for the less fortunate, sick and disabled. And I know many others who are like me. I took care of my late Mother as best I could as do so many other sons and daughters who look after their sick parents. Do NOT lecture people like us about caring. That isn't the sole privilege of the Left...
And as for the disgusting way you describe Cameron you seem to forget the love and care he gave to his severely disabled son who later died. I suspect Cameron knows a damn sight more about caring for the sick and losing children than you do .... Shame on you!"
Excellent post . I give extensive help to someone who is mentally disturbed and I assume tbat those who criticise government policies on these issues have no experience of helping the disabled and are just trying to score points .
As David Cameron ( as mentioned above) had a disabled son , I am certain that he cares more for the disabled than most people . |
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"He will be known as a deserter and to have torn britain in half with the brexit, which can not be healed as the damage is done."
The EU and its policies split Britain not David Cameron. He had the guts to lance the 'EU' boil and get it all out in the open by calling a Referendum. Given the rise of UKIP he had no choice and it was his calling that Referendum that (IMHO) got him re-elected.
Where he made his mistake was taking sides. Especially as he had already said he wouldn't stand again. He should have stayed neutral and made sure the Government did too. he could then have taken the result as an instruction and carried on in Office.
Politics is a brutal game. One mistake and 6 years as PM is forgotten.... |
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"Oh dear. A typically ignorant Leftie soundbite...
Cameron lives in a world surrounded by Security people and on that occasion he and Samantha were in two cars for that reason. He had to leave quickly. Someone in that team thought someone else had got the child. How many families have done that?
But of course to the biased amongst us this one event overrides a lifetime's devotion to a very severely disabled son who later died "
Ah right...
I Understand my place...
*tugs forelock* "sir"
But wait a minute...
All these people and he still forgets a child. Anyone else do that and plod would be notifying the local social services, but not when he does it...
Then a book is published where it is stated that he fucked a pigs head, a serious crime that would get plod investigating anyone else and local social services looking for child protection orders. But not 'Call me Dave', guess plod learned that work for the tory establishment rather than enforce the law of the land after plebgate. |
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" All these people and he still forgets a child. Anyone else do that and plod would be notifying the local social services, but not when he does it..."
You keep saying 'he forgets' when you know nothing of what was said to whom by whom and when and why they had to move him quickly. And who did actually 'forget'. But according to you it HAD to be him... forgetting of course those around him were of course the same 'plod' you say would otherwise investigate ... oops.
" Then a book is published where it is stated that he fucked a pigs head, a serious crime that would get plod investigating anyone else and local social services looking for child protection orders. But not 'Call me Dave', guess plod learned that work for the tory establishment rather than enforce the law of the land after plebgate. "
Forgive me for smiling but:
* No one actually saw this alleged incident take place.
* I am not sure sticking your cock in a dead pigs head is actually a crime.
* Given he had no children at the alleged time as he was at University then what on EARTH would child services have to do with anything?
* I wouldn't bang on too much about Plebgate. The Police federation didn't come out to well when the full story was told. People supposed to uphold the law got involved in removing the very people we elect to make those laws. They also were guilty of misrepresenting what an MP said in a private meeting not knowing the conversation was recorded. And remind me again how many 'Plods' were fired even if someone lost a libel case? It was a bloody fit up from 10 minutes after the event.
I ignored your initial sarcasm but you really do come across as some Leftie totally immune to the facts of anything to do with Cameron or the Tories and happy to repeat total bollocks to score some points. |
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3 points.
1/ It does not matter who did what or why, the parents of a child left it in a PUBLIC HOUSE. No matter the justification if that had happened to anyone other than a Tory Minister of Government or similarly powerful person there would have been an investigation and serious questions would have had to be answered. If as you seem to be implying that happened due to some sort of security alert then MORE SHAME ON THEM! That they would allow themselves be taken to safety without first ensuring their child was safe speaks volumes (if that is the case).
2/ According to the author of the book he has a photo of act taking place! Maybe that is why the book was serialised in a national paper and 'Call me Dave' has refused to sue either the author, book publisher or paper.
You may not be sure such an act is a criminal offence, but the law is, it says nothing about the animal being alive or not. It says it is an offence to penetrate an animal with a human penis!...
Oh you may be right, we have no proof that 'Call me Dave' is human.
3/ Why should I not bang on about plebgate? Dont you think that your hero is to blame for allowing a situation to arise when one of his appointees could be so arrogant that he would start a public fight with those there to guard his safety because they ask him to use the pedestrian gate rather than open the main gate to let him out on his pushbike? |
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"3 points.
1/ It does not matter who did what or why, the parents of a child left it in a PUBLIC HOUSE. No matter the justification if that had happened to anyone other than a Tory Minister of Government or similarly powerful person there would have been an investigation and serious questions would have had to be answered. If as you seem to be implying that happened due to some sort of security alert then MORE SHAME ON THEM! That they would allow themselves be taken to safety without first ensuring their child was safe speaks volumes (if that is the case).
2/ According to the author of the book he has a photo of act taking place! Maybe that is why the book was serialised in a national paper and 'Call me Dave' has refused to sue either the author, book publisher or paper.
You may not be sure such an act is a criminal offence, but the law is, it says nothing about the animal being alive or not. It says it is an offence to penetrate an animal with a human penis!...
Oh you may be right, we have no proof that 'Call me Dave' is human.
3/ Why should I not bang on about plebgate? Dont you think that your hero is to blame for allowing a situation to arise when one of his appointees could be so arrogant that he would start a public fight with those there to guard his safety because they ask him to use the pedestrian gate rather than open the main gate to let him out on his pushbike? "
I am sure that David Cameron is more than capable of looking after his children. Why would anyone be worried about the Camerons leaving a child in a pub. It is hardly likely to come to any harm as he is a well known public figure.
Why would David Cameron want to sue any publisher about the pigs head story. It is a laughable story and probably untrue anyway. Why would anyone want to give such a story any creditability .
Regarding Plebgate a numbér of police officers were disciplined . |
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" He only won one election..
At a time when labour were deeply unpopular and on the slide he couldn not win a majority in 2010..
And the one he won he was so surprised by it that he had by all accounts wrote a losing speech..
Oh come on ... He led the largest party after the 2010 elections so he won it. He then needed the LibDems to join to form a Government with a majority. Two different things.
He has served two terms as Prime Minister. He won two elections ...
A contradiction there..
Yes he won the most seats but was still 20 short of an outright majority at a time when we were 2 years post the economic crash of 08..
With a labour party in governance for 13 years he should have been able to command a majority, Blair certainly did..
Cameron stuttered across the line and if the lib doom's (remember them ??) had of gone with labour Cameron may have been deposed as Tory leader..
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If the limp dems had gone with labour then I hate to think where we would be now....Milliband as PM? |
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"What will his legacy be?
A failed intervention in Libya or his gambling on sorting out the euro sceptics and losing?
Pretty short tenure as a prime minister governing a single party.. A great leader who lead the country through very difficult circumstances . The economy is now booming . Just look at new car sales over the past five years. Or the performance of the stock exchange .
He is a practical down to earth person who can mix well with everyone and is welcome in his local pub. A man who appreciates the value of money and bought his wife a ten year old Nissan Micra from a local car dealership.
He is prepared to listen and gave everyone in Britain the chance to decide on membership of the EU.
A great leader who did a fantastic job of managing the economy . The performance of the FTSE since 2009 onwards speaks for itself . "
Yes Pat, I will go so far with that.
OK I still think he made some mistakes, most notably George Osborne who would probably have made a decent minister in another department but was far too accident prone to be chancellor.
From his career point of view (although not the country's) promising the referendum was a monumental mistake. Initially it had the desired effect of neutralising UKIP but the overall cost was disastrous for him.
Maybe he thought he would be in coalition again and could blame the Lib Dems for not delivering on the promise, as he did after 2010. He then went on to nail his colours firmly to the remain mast when as PM he would have probably been better off to stand aloof and stay neutral.
Sadly the bombing of Libya was also a grave error, one for which we will all pay a price in years to come.
However on the economy he did quite well (sometimes in spite of Osborne) in very difficult times. You only have to compare Britain to some of the Eurozone economy's and even the Eurozone as a whole to appreciate what and achievement it was.
As for the pigs head nonsense. I don't really care whether it is true or not. So let he or she who has never pulled a stupid d*unken stunt at college or Uni cast the first stone.
Overall I think history will judge him kindly.
I'll give him 7/10. |
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"3 points.
1/ It does not matter who did what or why, the parents of a child left it in a PUBLIC HOUSE. No matter the justification if that had happened to anyone other than a Tory Minister of Government or similarly powerful person there would have been an investigation and serious questions would have had to be answered. If as you seem to be implying that happened due to some sort of security alert then MORE SHAME ON THEM! That they would allow themselves be taken to safety without first ensuring their child was safe speaks volumes (if that is the case).
2/ According to the author of the book he has a photo of act taking place! Maybe that is why the book was serialised in a national paper and 'Call me Dave' has refused to sue either the author, book publisher or paper.
You may not be sure such an act is a criminal offence, but the law is, it says nothing about the animal being alive or not. It says it is an offence to penetrate an animal with a human penis!...
Oh you may be right, we have no proof that 'Call me Dave' is human.
3/ Why should I not bang on about plebgate? Dont you think that your hero is to blame for allowing a situation to arise when one of his appointees could be so arrogant that he would start a public fight with those there to guard his safety because they ask him to use the pedestrian gate rather than open the main gate to let him out on his pushbike? "
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" From his career point of view (although not the country's) promising the referendum was a monumental mistake. Initially it had the desired effect of neutralising UKIP but the overall cost was disastrous for him. "
I agree totally with your overall response but I pick out this comment as I think there were three decisions here not one.
1) He was right to lance the EU boil in the Tory party (and stifle the UKIP threat) by calling the referendum. We should possibly have had one over Maastricht but certainly over Lisbon and maybe have avoided the last 20 years of grief.
2) He was wrong to then back the 'Remain' campaign with Government support including £9 million leaflets. He should have remained neutral and could then have taken the 'Brexit' decision as an instruction and carried on in office.
3) His biggest mistake was to embark on Osborne's 'Project Fear' campaign that totally misjudged the British people. The more crap they spewed out the better responses we Brexit people on the campaign doorstep were getting.
Sadly that 'Project Fear' is now causing unnecessary damage as ordinary people now expect the sky to fall in. Thankfully money people are hard bastards and read what is happening and why after an initial shock, as they realised they had misjudged the result, stocks and other indicators are heading north. The Currency traders waited for an interest cut that never came. And promptly rose. Government debt is in high demand (with the lowest yields for years) so funding our debt is now cheaper than ever. Carney (shame on him as well by the way) has actually batted pretty well post the Brexit vote. |
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Its way to early to say whether the predictions made about brexit have any validity as so far all that's happened is we have had a referendum and a change of people at the top .brexit hasn't happened yet .we are still a full member of the EU .time will tell after article 50,has been invoked and negotiations started ..wether Osbourne and Cameron were right.. |
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"Its way to early to say whether the predictions made about brexit have any validity as so far all that's happened is we have had a referendum and a change of people at the top .brexit hasn't happened yet .we are still a full member of the EU .time will tell after article 50,has been invoked and negotiations started ..wether Osbourne and Cameron were right.."
I actually agree with you that this will be a long game. But the Osborne gambit was saying 'when you vote Armageddon will follow the day after' not 'well after a few years this may happen'. He was out to scare people. He was a twat. And as a Tory I was utterly ashamed of what he and Cameron did in my name when they could have played it so differently. |
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