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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line."

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line."

then you must be one of the smart ones . lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/"

and I add those who benefitted more from Eu funds = smart move

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?"

aahahahh so if you vote out (genius) and u are not poor then is not true? lol smart smart and smart

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?

aahahahh so if you vote out (genius) and u are not poor then is not true? lol smart smart and smart"

Can you try saying that in a comprehensible manner?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?

aahahahh so if you vote out (genius) and u are not poor then is not true? lol smart smart and smart

Can you try saying that in a comprehensible manner?"

statistc : you = 1 leave voters = 15 millions

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment."

and now you will get poorer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The poor just don't know what's good for them do they?

(In a remainers mind)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer. "

O i see now you have a crystal ball

I have no intentions of sitting back and becoming poor. I work hard and expect my income to rise.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

O i see now you have a crystal ball

I have no intentions of sitting back and becoming poor. I work hard and expect my income to rise."

you are already poorer than 10 days ago. lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

O i see now you have a crystal ball

I have no intentions of sitting back and becoming poor. I work hard and expect my income to rise.

you are already poorer than 10 days ago. lol"

How can you know that? But for sure, the EU is

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So I assume you are looking at the exchange rate.

My account has a little more in it than it did 10 days ago !

AS for share's I'm going to assume given your address you dont trade.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?

aahahahh so if you vote out (genius) and u are not poor then is not true? lol smart smart and smart

Can you try saying that in a comprehensible manner?

statistc : you = 1 leave voters = 15 millions"

The thread said only the poor voted leave. That is not true as I am not poor. I also know of multi millionaires who voted leave who probably fall into the not poor category.

Also there were over 17million people who voted leave. If they were all poor then the country truely was fucked and change needed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

O i see now you have a crystal ball

I have no intentions of sitting back and becoming poor. I work hard and expect my income to rise.

you are already poorer than 10 days ago. lol

How can you know that? But for sure, the EU is"

ahahahaah pound lost to Euro and dollar. Eu markets loss is small British one much larger. Scotland and North Ireland will leave no Eu funds no common market lol and we are poorer ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?

aahahahh so if you vote out (genius) and u are not poor then is not true? lol smart smart and smart

Can you try saying that in a comprehensible manner?

statistc : you = 1 leave voters = 15 millions

The thread said only the poor voted leave. That is not true as I am not poor. I also know of multi millionaires who voted leave who probably fall into the not poor category.

Also there were over 17million people who voted leave. If they were all poor then the country truely was fucked and change needed."

you know what statistic is?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer. "

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just had Sir Anthony Bamford on the phone asking if he can borrow a fiver til friday

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Thinks mario might spend more time grafting to stop him being poor than trying to tell those who have worked hard how much worse off we are when we are not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

It bollocks because I voted leave and most certainly am not poor.

It's just another sad attempt to try and insult those who voted leave. But I will throw it back at you.

What's wrong with being poor?

aahahahh so if you vote out (genius) and u are not poor then is not true? lol smart smart and smart

Can you try saying that in a comprehensible manner?

statistc : you = 1 leave voters = 15 millions

The thread said only the poor voted leave. That is not true as I am not poor. I also know of multi millionaires who voted leave who probably fall into the not poor category.

Also there were over 17million people who voted leave. If they were all poor then the country truely was fucked and change needed.

you know what statistic is?"

I really hope your English teacher changed profession because they truely must have been shit at teaching.

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By *ELLONS AND CREAMWoman over a year ago

stourbridge area

The adrian chiles programme was good ... he went back to where he grew up in the west midlands to speak to people who had voted out .... very interesting

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol "

Laughs 10% of what lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol "

and my house in Spain is worth 10% more in pounds than it was 10 days ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The adrian chiles programme was good ... he went back to where he grew up in the west midlands to speak to people who had voted out .... very interesting

"
Adrian childs could have gone to just about every area outside London they all voted out.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol

and my house in Spain is worth 10% more in pounds than it was 10 days ago

If you think property prices work ilke that you truly are a fuckwit.What makes you think I would offer you the same price given the state of the Eu. Spanish property is rising at a rate that would concern me .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol

and my house in Spain is worth 10% more in pounds than it was 10 days ago

yes and u cannot go to live there anymore lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol

17 million you fucking idiot!!!!!!!"

yes minus those who regretted it lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol

and my house in Spain is worth 10% more in pounds than it was 10 days ago

yes and u cannot go to live there anymore lol "

you really don't know what you're talking about

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years."

aahhaah yes of course. In average each Italian is 3 times richer than the average German lol. we are in the common market. you are out lol. if you don't buy houses in Eu some other will do lol now property prices are sinking in uk not in Eu. They are increasing in Paris, Dublin and Frankfurt cause all international companies are moving there from London lol but u are free to live in you Vicorian Age world lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

ahaah sorry i forgot u are the smart guy who represents 15 millions of British lol actually my wage is in Euros i just got 10% richer than 10 days a go lol

and my house in Spain is worth 10% more in pounds than it was 10 days ago

yes and u cannot go to live there anymore lol

you really don't know what you're talking about"

u will need a visa lol u are extracomunitarian lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

In which case. Why do you live in England?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

In which case. Why do you live in England?"

to steal you jobs lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

In which case. Why do you live in England?

to steal you jobs lol "

No, be serious. If Italy is oooh so great and full of money and opportunity; why live in England?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

In which case. Why do you live in England?

to steal you jobs lol

No, be serious. If Italy is oooh so great and full of money and opportunity; why live in England?

because I can and somoene gives me money to do it otherwise there are better places to live believe me. the private property of each Italian citizen is the highest in Eu bthis swhat i said. nothing to do with what u said.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

In which case. Why do you live in England?

to steal you jobs lol

No, be serious. If Italy is oooh so great and full of money and opportunity; why live in England?

how come half of Italians want out of EU?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Have you got any Idea how much the EU property markets rely on money from the uk.WE will see a general fall in prices all over the EU.

Italy Is currently on its knees and will provide many opportunities for those who wish to invest over the next few years.

In which case. Why do you live in England?

to steal you jobs lol

No, be serious. If Italy is oooh so great and full of money and opportunity; why live in England?

how come half of Italians want out of EU?"

we are the most Europeists of all the countries. we listen to economists. do not listen to Farage. every time he speaks about Italian politics says huge bullshit or he lies lol (weird he normally never does lol)

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

The statistics in the report are interesting, no doubt.

It should be pointed out that this the Spectator magazine - a right of centre publication that argued for a Leave vote.

I'm slightly surprised they brought this up therefore and can't be accused of being the house magazine of bitter Remainers.

For what it's worth I saw a real mix of leave voters in my town. What I found hard to stomach was seeing elderly millionaires living in Georgian townhouses campaigning for Leave, trotting out the statistics and "facts" we know are spurious and suddenly finding a deep love for the poorly paid working people they encountered.

I get to work, talk and socialise with these people - I've known some of them years and heard them sneer at these people when they see "Valleys" people around their town on many occasions.

I did feel it was an unholy alliance, and I'm pretty sure they'll be back to mocking them again soon.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line."

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only poor people voted to leave?

Mr Johnson and Mr Gove must be down at heel then, I guess.

The rumour was that Queenie may have been in favour of leaving, too, and she has a penny or two, I believe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I voted leave and have had investments increase quite a lot in value of the back of the leave vote.

And I'll continue to do so. Life's much better when you make what's happening around you work in your favour, rather than siting back and trying blame everyone else.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also those who live in deprived areas.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho."

Maybe because they had the sense to realise 'EU Funded' actually means 'British Funded'? People have stopped being taken in by the EU fairy tales that all good things only come form the EU. The EU buys and sells nothing it is individual countries and their peoples. But the EU rules every part of our lives regardless of whether we export to the EU or not and we pay dearly for that privilege. So every little blue flag you see on building projects (like the new Forth bridge) is actually British taxpayers money being recycled.

Because someone is 'poor' do not think they are ignorant or less intelligent or less able to spot the EU bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Only poor people voted to leave?

Mr Johnson and Mr Gove must be down at heel then, I guess.

The rumour was that Queenie may have been in favour of leaving, too, and she has a penny or two, I believe."

oh yes she was for leave. keep on leaving in you empire world. lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho."

stupids.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Only poor people voted to leave?

Mr Johnson and Mr Gove must be down at heel then, I guess.

The rumour was that Queenie may have been in favour of leaving, too, and she has a penny or two, I believe.

oh yes she was for leave. keep on leaving in you empire world. lol "

Who said anything about an empire?

I was simply pointing out that the result of the referendum was not as straightforward as poor versus rich.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho.

Because someone is 'poor' do not think they are ignorant or less intelligent or less able to spot the EU bullshit."

I asked a question because I was genuinely puzzled. Thanks for answering.

I truly hope it works out how people want, because I don't want them taking out their bitterness and anger on me and mine.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho.

Because someone is 'poor' do not think they are ignorant or less intelligent or less able to spot the EU bullshit.

I asked a question because I was genuinely puzzled. Thanks for answering.

I truly hope it works out how people want, because I don't want them taking out their bitterness and anger on me and mine. "

Not sure this guy spotted the bullshit until it was to late

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/06/i-voted-for-brexit-but-now-i-am-regret-the-terrifying-chaos-i-ha/

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

I read the article and it was very interesting, and although the headline was stark and absolute the article was very measured in in what it said the evidence it produced and its conclusions. I for one think Brendan O'Neill is spot on and that the political elite need to change their ways before they are changed for them.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

Sure, we send "our" money to Brussels, but areas like The Objective 1 areas of Wales have had a bigger slice of the pie that that was made from that money. It wasn't just "our" money that went to these areas.

Even if it was just "our" money, we should be thankful that that money was pumped in, as excellent work was done to regenerate former heavy industrial areas. An excellent example is the redevelopment and greening of the estuary lands in my mum's home town of Llanelli.

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I know what you think - typical Welsh leftie dinosaur. Actually, I'm not - I believe these areas need to become more entrepreneurial and create opportunities in digital technologies etc. We need to stand on our own feet more, but help is still needed.

Both sides of my family are from there, I've worked there for many years. I've seen the good effects projects have had there. It saddens me that's not recognised, even if people believe that, going forward, we should administer that money.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Sure, we send "our" money to Brussels, but areas like The Objective 1 areas of Wales have had a bigger slice of the pie that that was made from that money. It wasn't just "our" money that went to these areas.

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I'm not having a go or trying to insult anyone. But what I genuinely don't understand about the kind of areas you mentioned is why more people don't leave them when the jobs go?

I understand some people will get trapped by constraints like their house price might have fallen, but I'm just asking your view on why more people don't move? (not all)

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"I'm not having a go or trying to insult anyone. But what I genuinely don't understand about the kind of areas you mentioned is why more people don't leave them when the jobs go?

I understand some people will get trapped by constraints like their house price might have fallen, but I'm just asking your view on why more people don't move? (not all)"

Do you really not understand or have you not given the subject any thought?

I would suggest that anyone be able to quickly work out why the population is not as mobile as some would like to believe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm not having a go or trying to insult anyone. But what I genuinely don't understand about the kind of areas you mentioned is why more people don't leave them when the jobs go?

I understand some people will get trapped by constraints like their house price might have fallen, but I'm just asking your view on why more people don't move? (not all)

Do you really not understand or have you not given the subject any thought?

I would suggest that anyone be able to quickly work out why the population is not as mobile as some would like to believe. "

I've already acknowledged one reason why some people can't move but it's about %'s

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"I've already acknowledged one reason why some people can't move but it's about %'s "

You live in the south east. Compare earnings in your part of the world with mine, then compare accommodation prices, then compare availability of accommodation. Now ask yourself a series of simple questions:

Why do southeastern people retire to the southwest, midlands and north?

How would any but wealthy families be able to finance a move south?

How much does accommodation cost in the southeast?

How easy is it to find affordable accommodation?

How is a northerner, who has been paid well under southeast rates for years and now lost their job, due to their industry being sold off to China by a city spiv going to finance a move south?

I would suggest if you are totally honest with yourself you will come to the conclusion that they stay where they are because they cannot afford to move.

Its called a poverty trap and it is one of the consequences of the growing gap between the rich and poor.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho."

what good is gaining the world if you lose your soul.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide."

But the public needs to learn to get more involved, vote in people who will do what they promise and vote them "out" if they don't deliver.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I'm not having a go or trying to insult anyone. But what I genuinely don't understand about the kind of areas you mentioned is why more people don't leave them when the jobs go?

I understand some people will get trapped by constraints like their house price might have fallen, but I'm just asking your view on why more people don't move? (not all)"

Because your average person on the dole in Stoke probably has a better standard of living than a shelf stacker in London.

Your average worker in Stoke has a better standard of living than your average worker in London

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/"

haven't wasted my time reading it, even the link means nothing to me

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide."

What about the undertaking to commit circa £100 million a week to the NHS from "savings" by not paying the EU. If Wales, Scotland, North and Devon/Cornwall all too expecting their EU funding levels to continue where will the money come from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Trident takes first priority

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've already acknowledged one reason why some people can't move but it's about %'s

Why do southeastern people retire to the southwest, midlands and north?

How would any but wealthy families be able to finance a move south?

How much does accommodation cost in the southeast?

How easy is it to find affordable accommodation?

How is a northerner, who has been paid well under southeast rates for years and now lost their job, due to their industry being sold off to China by a city spiv going to finance a move south?

I would suggest if you are totally honest with yourself you will come to the conclusion that they stay where they are because they cannot afford to move.

Its called a poverty trap and it is one of the consequences of the growing gap between the rich and poor."

Except I wasn't born in the south east and don't consider it home... I was born in North Wales and lived in South Wales and the South West most my life.

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By *oo hotCouple over a year ago

North West

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels."

When the dust settles and the lies separated from the truth, I think many people will be very surprised as to the amount of EU funding that was provided in areas that have been systematically ignored for decades by Westminster. Whatever faults the EU may have, funding the regeneration of former industrialised areas was not one of them. That funding as well as the funding of £13 billion a year on UK based scientific research will be badly missed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

so what do you think would have happenned if those areas hadn't got the crumbs from the EU to placate them? Do you think they would have started eating eating eachother? Or maybe, just maybe they might have got some useful investment from the government eh

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"I've already acknowledged one reason why some people can't move but it's about %'s

Why do southeastern people retire to the southwest, midlands and north?

How would any but wealthy families be able to finance a move south?

How much does accommodation cost in the southeast?

How easy is it to find affordable accommodation?

How is a northerner, who has been paid well under southeast rates for years and now lost their job, due to their industry being sold off to China by a city spiv going to finance a move south?

I would suggest if you are totally honest with yourself you will come to the conclusion that they stay where they are because they cannot afford to move.

Its called a poverty trap and it is one of the consequences of the growing gap between the rich and poor.

Except I wasn't born in the south east and don't consider it home... I was born in North Wales and lived in South Wales and the South West most my life. "

You are barely out of uni so most of your life was childhood and making it into higher education was your ticket out of the poverty trap I described. Could your parents or those of the children you went to school with afford to move from N Wales to the home counties?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've already acknowledged one reason why some people can't move but it's about %'s

Why do southeastern people retire to the southwest, midlands and north?

How would any but wealthy families be able to finance a move south?

How much does accommodation cost in the southeast?

How easy is it to find affordable accommodation?

How is a northerner, who has been paid well under southeast rates for years and now lost their job, due to their industry being sold off to China by a city spiv going to finance a move south?

I would suggest if you are totally honest with yourself you will come to the conclusion that they stay where they are because they cannot afford to move.

Its called a poverty trap and it is one of the consequences of the growing gap between the rich and poor.

Except I wasn't born in the south east and don't consider it home... I was born in North Wales and lived in South Wales and the South West most my life.

My parents didn't move.

9 years = barely?

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

My parents didn't move.

9 years = barely? "

The question was not 'did your parents move' it was could they have afforded to move? (I am assuming you were from an average family.)

Time is subjective, I am pushing 60, so 9 years is a lot less to me than to you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

I don't think Brussels is best placed to make those decisions. And while it is fine that money has been spent on areas in need of regeneration and (strangely) science, I would prefer that our elected parliament (as crap as they may be) have control over that.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

That's what I don't get and would like to find out.

I also question whether an increasingly right-wing government would be comfortable ideologically with pouring huge sums of money in. Surely the market would be King.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My parents didn't move.

9 years = barely?

The question was not 'did your parents move' it was could they have afforded to move? (I am assuming you were from an average family.)

Time is subjective, I am pushing 60, so 9 years is a lot less to me than to you."

Could they afford to sell in North Wales and buy an equivalent property in the South East? Obviously not. Does renting kill you for a bit - nope.

At 9 years out of uni, working for all them, I have more experience in a real job than 99% of the house of commons. By virtue of the fact that I've started and sold a company, I would also lay claim to having created more jobs than 99% of them too, then again I probably achieved that the first time I hired anyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

And 'strangely', so would the people who live in those areas who have supposedly benefitted. It is funny how people who don't live there don't get it. Patronising and blind doesn't even begin to describe them

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

That's what I don't get and would like to find out.

I also question whether an increasingly right-wing government would be comfortable ideologically with pouring huge sums of money in. Surely the market would be King.

That was my question further up. The EU was putting money into poor communities because the British government wasn't, yet people have voted out but still expect the same level of funding from people who didn’t give a fuck in the first place!

I truly hope the money saved does go to these areas, but I won't be holding my breath!

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By *illwill69uMan over a year ago

moston

"Could they afford to sell in North Wales and buy an equivalent property in the South East? Obviously not. Does renting kill you for a bit - nope.

I like discussing things with you. You make me think and ask pertinent questions. However I am pretty sure I lean much further to the left than you do, but I think that your views may well change over time (mine did).

You ask does renting for a bit kill you, obviously not most of the time. However if there is no affordable social housing, and landlord are allowed to rent unmaintained properties that are not fit for habitation then at times it may well shorten lives considerably. Also when those properties are let at exorbitant rents with no security of tenure renting for a bit quickly turns into a lifetime.

I applaud your business success, and totally agree with your comments about career politicians. I hope your success continues and grows. Success breeds success.

However the more successful you are the more you can afford to contribute to making the country successful. If the decision was mine to make you would more than lightly be less well off than you probably are. Because I do not believe that the poorest should pay more than the richest (as a % of total income). Those caught in relative poverty may not all be able to adequately express this, but they understand the inequity of our present system and I would suggest the referendum was the first real chance they had to express their anger. I would further suggest that should our political elite continue to ignore the consequences to the majority they continually squeeze to subsidise their continual pandering the wealthy and multinational corporations that the protests will become more strident and eventually extremely violent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Could they afford to sell in North Wales and buy an equivalent property in the South East? Obviously not. Does renting kill you for a bit - nope.

I applaud your business success, and totally agree with your comments about career politicians. I hope your success continues and grows. Success breeds success.

But here's why your ideas don't work (no offence):

1) I'm still not on the housing ladder yet! I've only just sold the business and to buy around here you need a deposit of ~30k. Only an idiot takes 30k out of a start up business. So whilst all my friends back in the sticks have been on the housing market for years now, benefitting from the massive bubble it's in, we're stuck renting.

2) When I started the company we moved to the cheapest place we could find to reduce outgoings. If I pm'd the name of the street and you Googled it, you'd see a page of murders, brothels and drug dens. We lived there for 2 years. My friends in Wales and the South West had more toilets in their houses than we had rooms in ours.

3) Having taken those risks, gambled everything I had and worked my ass off - no you can't have the profits from it. They are mine. Keep your commy hands off them

Unless the government is planning the reimburse me for dragging my wife to living on hell street for 2 years, the missed opportunity of renting vrs buying and the grey hairs I've accumulated, no they ain't having my money. There isn't all that much of it anyway, I probably would have had a bigger salary by going and doing a risk-free overhead job (e.g. accountant) at a big company. The proceeds from the sale are my compensation for that fact. The point is that I earned it and if someone tries to tax it off me then I'm gonna move it to one of the 177 other countries in the world that won't. Because in all honesty, once you've left your home town once, moving again doesn't scare you. The south east isn't my home and I don't really relate the British culture all that well (I am British but a self-loathing one). I already have the network of subsidiaries to move money, it's 100% legal and I could do it from my laptop.

So in conclusion, I created jobs and paid my taxes while I did, never screwed anyone over and gave jobs to people that never had better opportunities. In contrast, the house of commons is filled with a bunch of fuckwits who couldn't run a bath let alone a business. If they try and tax me more then there are other countries.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Could they afford to sell in North Wales and buy an equivalent property in the South East? Obviously not. Does renting kill you for a bit - nope.

I applaud your business success, and totally agree with your comments about career politicians. I hope your success continues and grows. Success breeds success.

But here's why your ideas don't work (no offence):

3) Having taken those risks, gambled everything I had and worked my ass off - no you can't have the profits from it. They are mine. Keep your commy hands off them

Well done you

I really mean that

My outside interests connects me with MP's on a weekly basis, and I've concluded the majority are as thick as mince, otherwise they would be making money in the private sector

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment."

That's why you supported the "anti establishment", privately educated millionaires of the Leave campaign!

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Like most folk I started with NOWT.

I am not poor and I did vote leave.

thats why I disagree with the comment.

and now you will get poorer.

I wont get poorer. Even if I did it may or may not be connected to my actions and I wouldn't complain.

However, if you got poorer because of my actions it would be hilarious

That sounds like something BoJo Farage or Gove would say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Well done you

I really mean that

My outside interests connects me with MP's on a weekly basis, and I've concluded the majority are as thick as mince, otherwise they would be making money in the private sector "

Thanks, I'm not trying to be billy big balls, I'm not a millionaire, my business wasn't huge but it was profitable and did create jobs.

I just want lefties to understand that you can't have your cake and eat it. People like us aren't not going to make those sacrifices for the common good! We want the ching ching, bling bling, dollar dollar or we just won't bother.

I put on loads of weight, missed loads of fun things and wasn't exactly the best husband for that period because I was usually glued to a screen somewhere.

You aren't going to get people to work like that and then tax away the rewards.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't know anyone who voted out on the breadline either. Although I do struggle to understand why people in poor areas ignored by Westminster but funded by the EU did, but hey ho.

Because someone is 'poor' do not think they are ignorant or less intelligent or less able to spot the EU bullshit."

What about the university educated vs non university educated split then?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I'm not having a go or trying to insult anyone. But what I genuinely don't understand about the kind of areas you mentioned is why more people don't leave them when the jobs go?

I understand some people will get trapped by constraints like their house price might have fallen, but I'm just asking your view on why more people don't move? (not all)"

Having studied and lived and worked and volunteered in South Wales I can say that many do leave. The ones that are left are the old and the sick (obviously a massive generalisation). I think merthyr tydfil has the highest rates of disability benefits in the UK.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide."

Look at this Conservative government. They cut benefits so deeply that even their own Work and Pensions Secretary resigned. Anyone thinking at a Brexit without the additional protections (for things like employment law) offered by the EU is going to be better for the average working Joe I think is going to be in for a big shock. Look at the way they have treated Doctors and Teachers, I doubt they are going to be any kinder to shelf stackers, warehouse operators, dinner ladies and bin men.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"I've already acknowledged one reason why some people can't move but it's about %'s

Why do southeastern people retire to the southwest, midlands and north?

How would any but wealthy families be able to finance a move south?

How much does accommodation cost in the southeast?

How easy is it to find affordable accommodation?

How is a northerner, who has been paid well under southeast rates for years and now lost their job, due to their industry being sold off to China by a city spiv going to finance a move south?

I would suggest if you are totally honest with yourself you will come to the conclusion that they stay where they are because they cannot afford to move.

Its called a poverty trap and it is one of the consequences of the growing gap between the rich and poor."

And the center of the Tory party have just been decimated by the right wing. You think they are the ones who are going to right that wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

You know what's worse than being a doctor, teacher or shelf stacker? Being a Greek Doctor, Greek teacher or Greek shelf stacker.

What exactly has the EU done for them? (Rhetorical)

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

The same Tory government that wiped out their industries in the first place?

Lord Lawson said that Brexit was finally finishing what Thatcher had started and how thrilled she would have been with the result.

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

My parents didn't move.

9 years = barely?

The question was not 'did your parents move' it was could they have afforded to move? (I am assuming you were from an average family.)

Time is subjective, I am pushing 60, so 9 years is a lot less to me than to you."

Pushing 60 and you still believe that people in the South East don't know we're born, don't know what real life is like, and seem to think you're living in a Monty Python sketch where it was up hill both ways when you went to school and you had to work 25 hour days.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

The same Tory government that wiped out their industries in the first place?

Lord Lawson said that Brexit was finally finishing what Thatcher had started and how thrilled she would have been with the result.

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories."

I'm confused. Why would a government want to wipe out industries?

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories."

I have to admit struggling to get my head around that too!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories.

I have to admit struggling to get my head around that too!"

when did they vote with the Tories?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

Why is it bollox....because you dont agree with it ?

Because it's bollox?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories.

I have to admit struggling to get my head around that too!"

The official Tory line was remain! The Corbyn cock up left many supporters not knowing which way labour we're going. Far more "labour supporters" seemed to have voted out than Tory. I sometimes wonder what planet some people are on?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This was not a party political vote. It was a Binary referendum: In or Out. No shaking it all about...

Tories voted both ways and it was official Conservative Government policy to 'Remain'. (Sadly)

Labour people voted both ways despite 'Remain' being the official party policy for the same reasons the Tory voters did. The dislike of how being in the EU was affecting our country was felt on both sides of the party divide.

Of the rest the SNP got a 1 million vote poke in the eye in Scotland but like the EU cannot accept reality. UKIP members voted to leave as that is why they are in UKIP. The only party that was NOT divided...

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

The same Tory government that wiped out their industries in the first place?

Lord Lawson said that Brexit was finally finishing what Thatcher had started and how thrilled she would have been with the result.

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories.

I'm confused. Why would a government want to wipe out industries?"

Because ideology is the most important things to some people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

These areas were left to rot when the heavy industries left and the EU projects ameliorated that neglect.

Would UK governments done that? Mmmmmm. Will the money not going to The EU go there to the same extent? Not sure how given the financial commitments politicians are scrabbling to make.

I see where you are comng from.

However, it is the same (actually, a bit more) money available - and our governments that will be able to allocate it.

Will our government be able to allocate it better than the EU? Who knows?

I spent many weeks in Cardiff and saw the value of regeneration. I have also spent much time in other cities and have seen where regeneration is also required.

On balance, I think our own government (crap as it may be in places) is probably best placed to decide.

I don't know.

On the whole though, I would prefer it not to be a decision made in Brussels.

The same Tory government that wiped out their industries in the first place?

Lord Lawson said that Brexit was finally finishing what Thatcher had started and how thrilled she would have been with the result.

The biggest political trick this nation has ever seen is getting ex-coal mining communities, ex-ship building communities, ex-steal making communities to vote with the Tories.

I'm confused. Why would a government want to wipe out industries?

Because ideology is the most important things to some people."

We still make ships for the military, do you see any other western countries with a thriving ship building industry?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We still make ships for the military, do you see any other western countries with a thriving ship building industry? "

Tell that to Scotland, we have been waiting on the go ahead for a long time, no cash for frigates

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

Regarding Thatcher - growing up in South Wales in the 80s, I loathed the Tories.

I had strong roots in the valley coalfield areas and saw how people fought to save their livelihoods and communities.

My politics have changed as I've got older. Now, I can fully accept that the heavily industrialised areas of the UK had to change and modernise.

What I still hate is the fact that these communities were left to fend for themselves in the aftermath. Market forces ruled and plans to help were woefully absent.

I still remember Heseltine closing pits in 1992 with barely any hint of concern (one if which continued successfully for many years after btw). It was as if he was announcing if the 13.48 train service to Basingstoke.

I still remember the sneering of the rugby crowd at Twickenham about those areas and the mine closures (don't worry - this isn't a Wales v England point. We dished it out too).

The coalfield areas are still struggling to recover from the ravages of the industry being lost and whole communities being thrown on the scrapheap.

I don't really get how the UK government can honour funding commitments to these areas until 2020 after leaving and fear for what will happen after time.

I can't see a Tory government having the political or ideological will to bring about the change these areas still desperately need. I say that as someone who isn't a left-winger any more.

This isn't just a point about the Welsh Valleys - this applies to large areas of northern England, Cornwall etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We still make ships for the military, do you see any other western countries with a thriving ship building industry?

Tell that to Scotland, we have been waiting on the go ahead for a long time, no cash for frigates

No cash? Sorry wrong. Just last March £670 Mn was agreed with BAE to further mature the designs and build the equipment for manufacturing the first three of the eight Type 26 Frigates. The other 5 Type 26 'Light' Frigates are still under design but will be added to the first eight built. They will be built in Scotland. Much to the annoyance of yards like Portsmouth and Tyneside which are just as capable but have been set aside for the benefit of Scots. Unless of course the Nappies keep gobbing off about 'IndyRef2'....

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

Dare I mention that two huge carriers are being built as we speak in Rosyth at a cost of some £7 Bn? A place that has never built a ship before, did not have a dry dock big enough and had to have £80 million spent on it to bring it up to standard. Including importing a Chinese crane ffs! A crane that is now being auctioned on eBay ...

When places like Belfast, that have built more aircraft carriers and very large ships than most anywhere else in the UK, had the largest dry docks and two big cranes that could outlift the Chinese effort in Rosyth ready and waiting. What Belfast did not have and Rosyth did have was an MP who was also Prime Minister and Chancellor...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

You never cease to make me laugh

you really think only "Scots people" work in the yards, bet you think they all wear kilts, have long rugged hair and carry clubs around with them too

You scots peoples lol

your insane matie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

You never cease to make me laugh

you really think only "Scots people" work in the yards, bet you think they all wear kilts, have long rugged hair and carry clubs around with them too

You scots peoples lol

your insane matie"

I never said 'you Scots people' .. I said 'to keep Scots people employed' because the yards are in Scotland. A big difference but hey nice switch to lob out some stereotypical stuff....

But the point is you were complaining about the lack of money when there is NO lack of money being spent by the UK Government on military shipbuilding in Scotland. Pick on a turn of phrase by all means. Its what the Nappies do but I thought you were made of better stuff...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Smug PC Lefties will be especially angry that Britain's white working class hasn't been totally ethnically cleansed and even has the audacity to make its views known!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

You never cease to make me laugh

you really think only "Scots people" work in the yards, bet you think they all wear kilts, have long rugged hair and carry clubs around with them too

You scots peoples lol

your insane matie"

Here's a question, when did British shipbuilding last win a major export order?

DCNS in France just won a $40bn export to Australia, when did a British shipyard last win an export order over £1bn?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

You never cease to make me laugh

you really think only "Scots people" work in the yards, bet you think they all wear kilts, have long rugged hair and carry clubs around with them too

You scots peoples lol

your insane matie

Here's a question, when did British shipbuilding last win a major export order?

DCNS in France just won a $40bn export to Australia, when did a British shipyard last win an export order over £1bn? "

Could be down to the EU

be easier now

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

You never cease to make me laugh

you really think only "Scots people" work in the yards, bet you think they all wear kilts, have long rugged hair and carry clubs around with them too

You scots peoples lol

your insane matie

Here's a question, when did British shipbuilding last win a major export order?

DCNS in France just won a $40bn export to Australia, when did a British shipyard last win an export order over £1bn?

Could be down to the EU

be easier now

In fairness it was an order for a submarine designed by Thales in France but the boats will be built in Australia creating 2,800 jobs. Way to go Aussies.

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"Smug PC Lefties will be especially angry that Britain's white working class hasn't been totally ethnically cleansed and even has the audacity to make its views known!"

You're racist, Neanderthal lacking ambition yet blame foreigners for your shortcomings because you voted out!

Probably all untrue but it's easy to sprout bollocks no matter what colour your skin or political affiliation!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Smug PC Lefties will be especially angry that Britain's white working class hasn't been totally ethnically cleansed and even has the audacity to make its views known!

You're racist, Neanderthal lacking ambition yet blame foreigners for your shortcomings because you voted out!

Probably all untrue but it's easy to sprout bollocks no matter what colour your skin or political affiliation!"

I imagine a lot of people in West Dulwich will be sharing your hysteria...after all what will become of those Eastern European 'dailies' you so desperately need to keep your £1 million plus three bed semis neat and tidy!?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You were even given 3 new Offshore Patrol Boats to build in the interim to keep Scots people employed.

You never cease to make me laugh

you really think only "Scots people" work in the yards, bet you think they all wear kilts, have long rugged hair and carry clubs around with them too

You scots peoples lol

your insane matie

Here's a question, when did British shipbuilding last win a major export order?

DCNS in France just won a $40bn export to Australia, when did a British shipyard last win an export order over £1bn?

Could be down to the EU

be easier now

In fairness it was an order for a submarine designed by Thales in France but the boats will be built in Australia creating 2,800 jobs. Way to go Aussies."

The same Thales that employs 6,000 people in this country, the vast majority of them British. Isn't globalisation great.

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By *ertwoCouple over a year ago

omagh

That just shows the Spectator has not got a clue who vote for out lol

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By *ertwoCouple over a year ago

omagh

We might win more trade deals now the pound has dropped in value.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We might win more trade deals now the pound has dropped in value."

One doesn't 'win' a trade deal so much as one 'makes' a trade deal.

The question is whether one makes a good trade deal. That's generally easier when the two countries are roughly equal in size and wealth. Somewhat harder when one country has 65m consumers and the other has 1.3bn. The former being something of a rounding error to the latter but hey ho.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line."

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/"
A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"What a load of bollox.

I voted out and so did a lot of others who are not on the bread line.

I don't think that the article meant that EVERYONE who voted to leave is poor. BoJo and Farage are unlikely to be claiming any tax credits or visiting food banks. But it is just another split, like young & old, Scottish & English, Welsh & NI, uni educated and not etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant"

50% of people are below average...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

50% of people are below average... "

that means there is no average

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

50% of people are below average...

that means there is no average

Showing a great understanding of mathematical concepts there

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant"

Very very ignorant of what?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

50% of people are below average...

that means there is no average

Showing a great understanding of mathematical concepts there

You mean like nobody actually has 1.9 children?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

Very very ignorant of what? "

the average out voter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong"

Well it's a political decision, there is no wrong or right answer, just a differing of opinions.

Do you think that the figures in the article are factually incorrect?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Well it's a political decision, there is no wrong or right answer, just a differing of opinions.

Do you think that the figures in the article are factually incorrect? "

Wouldn't waste my time reading the article but there you go again proving my point.

What do figures have to do with anything?

Well, other than that the majority who voted voted to leave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong"

wrong in what? y economy is getting worse. all your leaders quitted and nothing has done w the 50th article. and you are still in Eu immagine when u will leave for good lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong"

Degree educated, mortgage free leave voter here...guess the downside is that I'm racist, bigoted and xenophobic. Hey ho.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We might win more trade deals now the pound has dropped in value."

hhaahhhhhahha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Degree educated, mortgage free leave voter here...guess the downside is that I'm racist, bigoted and xenophobic. Hey ho. "

no that u prefer to listen to idiot who had no idea they could win and therefore has already disappeared than to all learned people in every field and in particular economics. next time u need a doctor ask to someone in the street because this is exactly what u did.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Degree educated, mortgage free leave voter here...guess the downside is that I'm racist, bigoted and xenophobic. Hey ho.

So glad you've put me right. Shame it's too late....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks."

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" The same Thales that employs 6,000 people in this country, the vast majority of them British. Isn't globalisation great. "

It certainly is and we are now set to be even more competitive unshackled from the EU constraints and its protectionism of the 'Single Market'. That gave us a £61 Bn deficit.

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen "

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time."

no idea where you take infos lol

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong"

Being honest, neither side knows whether they were "right" or "wrong" yet. Maybe in ten years we can see how this plays out.

There's just as much categorising of In voters too. I voted in, most of my friends voted in, my 80 year-old mum voted in. None of us are part of a metropolitan elite, or left-wing academics blah, blah, blah.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of"

To me it sounds like you are embarrassed about who else voted to leave.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

50% of people are below average... "

I re member John Prescott saying that labours education policy (academies) would make sure that more and more people would be above average........duh!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Being honest, neither side knows whether they were "right" or "wrong" yet. Maybe in ten years we can see how this plays out.

My 22 yr old daughter voted out. Just gained a BSc in chemistry and starting on her masters. Hardly old or thick!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Interesting

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/brexit-voters-are-not-thick-not-racist-just-poor/A very ignorant and offensive remark,it seems many in voters are very very ignorant

50% of people are below average...

I re member John Prescott saying that labours education policy (academies) would make sure that more and more people would be above average........duh!"

Yeah there was some SNP moron on question time who said "the vast majority of parents do an outstanding job of raising their children". Err no, the majority do a reasonable job and outstanding, by definition, is reserved for a smaller group of elite parents.

But let's not let the definition of the words get in the way of cheap applause.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of

To me it sounds like you are embarrassed about who else voted to leave. "

I am proud of whoever voted to leave and to be associated with them.

Do you think that the opinion/vote of a thick poor racist is less valid/worthwhile/important than anyone else's?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do you think that the opinion/vote of a thick poor racist is less valid/worthwhile/important than anyone else's?"

Yes! Don't you?

Just because everyone is allowed an opinion that doesn't mean everyone's opinion is equally valid.

Personally I would have a voting system that reflected that but then I hate people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of

To me it sounds like you are embarrassed about who else voted to leave.

I am proud of whoever voted to leave and to be associated with them.

Do you think that the opinion/vote of a thick poor racist is less valid/worthwhile/important than anyone else's?"

do you think that the opinion of an economist on economy is as valid as mine yours or that of a drink guy in the street who can barely read? if yes next time u need a doctor ask the d*unk guy what you should do because that is exactly what u did lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Being honest, neither side knows whether they were "right" or "wrong" yet. Maybe in ten years we can see how this plays out.

My 22 yr old daughter voted out. Just gained a BSc in chemistry and starting on her masters. Hardly old or thick!"

ahaahh yes 22. All scholars and teachers in all disciplines in all universities, people who probably have read some books more than you d. voted for remain.

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By *exyanshyCouple over a year ago

Kent

THE VOTES DONT COUNT ITS WHO COUNTS THE VOTES!?!?!

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol "

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then"

....what, the Italian banks??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then"

I think the papers were referring to Italian, Greek and Spanish banks parlous liquidity state and their exposure to bad debt while Carney was referring to UK banks who have built up huge resources for just such times as this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Being honest, neither side knows whether they were "right" or "wrong" yet. Maybe in ten years we can see how this plays out.

My 22 yr old daughter voted out. Just gained a BSc in chemistry and starting on her masters. Hardly old or thick!

ahaahh yes 22. All scholars and teachers in all disciplines in all universities, people who probably have read some books more than you d. voted for remain. "

Of course they did. All of them.

We know this because, err, because ... Damn.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then

Ah! My bad

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

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This may help http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/07/italian-banking-crisis-looms/ the EU rules are prohibiting the Italian government from bailing the banks out at the moment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This may help http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/07/italian-banking-crisis-looms/ the EU rules are prohibiting the Italian government from bailing the banks out at the moment."

general EU rules. which right now prevent your goverment as well to do you lol and so what? do you think that saving money mean put in in a bank account lol? it's invested so it exists out side your bank.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Being honest, neither side knows whether they were "right" or "wrong" yet. Maybe in ten years we can see how this plays out.

My 22 yr old daughter voted out. Just gained a BSc in chemistry and starting on her masters. Hardly old or thick!

ahaahh yes 22. All scholars and teachers in all disciplines in all universities, people who probably have read some books more than you d. voted for remain.

Of course they did. All of them.

We know this because, err, because ... Damn. "

because it's written everywhere and they all invited to vote fr remain. then if you live in a cave is y problem lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then

....what, the Italian banks??"

do you really thing that saving money in a bank means leaving them in a bank account?

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of

To me it sounds like you are embarrassed about who else voted to leave.

I am proud of whoever voted to leave and to be associated with them.

Do you think that the opinion/vote of a thick poor racist is less valid/worthwhile/important than anyone else's?"

Do you think that just because a majority voted for something that automatically makes it a sensible decision or the best thing for the country?

The Nazi party were elected, so was Gaddafi and Robert Mugabe.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then

....what, the Italian banks??

do you really thing that saving money in a bank means leaving them in a bank account?"

ah so that's why the Italian Banks have no money. Italians save money in a Bank Account but it isn't actually there.

.. OK mate we get that ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of

To me it sounds like you are embarrassed about who else voted to leave.

I am proud of whoever voted to leave and to be associated with them.

Do you think that the opinion/vote of a thick poor racist is less valid/worthwhile/important than anyone else's?

Do you think that just because a majority voted for something that automatically makes it a sensible decision or the best thing for the country?

The Nazi party were elected, so was Gaddafi and Robert Mugabe."

I am not sure that because those people abused the electorate by what they did when in power argues against democracy itself.

Does that suggest that because the UK electorate voted Labour in 3 times and we got an illegal war, open door immigration 7 years early and a busted economy we should never have another General election?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that In voters have to categorise Out voters in some way and make excuses for them simply because they have lost the argument and cannot see or accept that they were wrong

Being honest, neither side knows whether they were "right" or "wrong" yet. Maybe in ten years we can see how this plays out.

My 22 yr old daughter voted out. Just gained a BSc in chemistry and starting on her masters. Hardly old or thick!

ahaahh yes 22. All scholars and teachers in all disciplines in all universities, people who probably have read some books more than you d. voted for remain.

Of course they did. All of them.

We know this because, err, because ... Damn.

because it's written everywhere and they all invited to vote fr remain. then if you live in a cave is y problem lol"

Ah, thanks. I stand corrected.

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *LCCCouple over a year ago

Cambridge

"There were papers pulled from a box with a cross on. Whether rich or poor, black or white, thick or not, young or old, nobody knows who put those crosses there and that is it end of

To me it sounds like you are embarrassed about who else voted to leave.

I am proud of whoever voted to leave and to be associated with them.

Do you think that the opinion/vote of a thick poor racist is less valid/worthwhile/important than anyone else's?

Do you think that just because a majority voted for something that automatically makes it a sensible decision or the best thing for the country?

The Nazi party were elected, so was Gaddafi and Robert Mugabe.

I am not sure that because those people abused the electorate by what they did when in power argues against democracy itself.

There was no illegal war, you must have missed the news this week, and for the last 13 years.

Everyone seems to have been blamming immigration on the EU, are you saying that its actually Westminster we should be blaming instead? We as that was the key reason for most, I guess we can cancel Brexit after all!

A general election is usually a lot less important that a referendum, thats why we have so few referenda in comparison to general elections.

If you had a referendum asking the question, should we reduce tax to 0%, lots of people would vote yes, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be disasterous does it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I hope all those rich Italians don't have any money in their banks.

actually we have in average more savings and properties than any other Eu citizen

But it looks like the banks are about to collapse so I hope they get their money out in time.

no idea where you take infos lol

The Guardian.....The Telegraph.....it's in the news

The governor of the bank of England said the banks are stable and well capitalised so maybe they should interview him instead then

....what, the Italian banks??

do you really thing that saving money in a bank means leaving them in a bank account?

ah so that's why the Italian Banks have no money. Italians save money in a Bank Account but it isn't actually there.

.. OK mate we get that ..."

ahahah again u are not that smart. If u save it in a bank account when bank fails u loose the money (and that's not bank money anyway). if you invest it through the bank you do not loose the moey plus the bank get a % of what you earn and that's not your money is banks money. lol remain the fact that italians have more savings in average than any other EU citizen.