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"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses?" I suspect it will require the applicant to have a job offer in hand when completing application or indeed sponsorship. . Medically fit and medical insurance should also be a vital requirement | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses?" I hear curry cooks will go to the front of the queue.  | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work." You mean like doctors, nurses and scientists? | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. You mean like doctors, nurses and scientists?" And add business owners to your list | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. You mean like doctors, nurses and scientists?" Really??... Most are Doctors, Nurses and Scientists? That is surprising. Most would mean a proportion well in excess of 50%.... | |||
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"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed " No that's not a fact. Go research the unemployment figures in the 3 years before the 2004 EU enlargement and the 3 years after. You'll notice a big dose of fuck all difference. | |||
"Nothing wrong with expecting an applicant to have a bonafid offer of work for a specified amount of time on even full time ongoing. And yes our own British born should be helped into work "Did you use "British born" to mean "British Citizen", or do you think there should be a difference in the support given to citizens born British and those who are naturalised British citizens? | |||
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"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. " Like the British born immigrants that went to Germany in the 90's to work and send money back to the UK or the British born immigrants that went to Spain in the naughties and work when the UK building was in deep recession..works both ways always has .. | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. " My parents were happy in Jamaica. My dad went to market and there was a white man asking for people to come to England to help rebuild after the war. The earth, moon and stars were promised, but my parents generation couldn't turn down a plea for help. When they arrived they were shocked at the "welcome"...but they were here and made a go of it. Please don't assume the "original immigrants" left their home to chase rainbows in the promised land: they came to help because they were asked. | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. " Who are the original, back in the day immigrants? The Romans? Vikings? French? Former British Indians? Vietnamese refugees? The Irish? Balkan refugees? People from the Caribbean? Australians? South Africans? The kindertranports? Philippians? Kiwis? Ghurkas? Foreign & Commonwealth soldiers? I'm so forgetful, I can never remember which are the good immigrants and which are the bad! | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. My parents were happy in Jamaica. My dad went to market and there was a white man asking for people to come to England to help rebuild after the war. The earth, moon and stars were promised, but my parents generation couldn't turn down a plea for help. When they arrived they were shocked at the "welcome"...but they were here and made a go of it. Please don't assume the "original immigrants" left their home to chase rainbows in the promised land: they came to help because they were asked." yes with slogans saying "your mother country needs you" how right but how shabbily treated they were ! a disgrace to be british sometimes | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. " My parents were economic migrants from South Asia - and long term they they presumed their future would be to return their country of birth - however, over time, they settled, made friends, raised children, educated them and grew old. Now they're a part of British society such that queuing is virtually second nature to them. They make charitable donations to support poor members of their family at home. They also make charitable donations here too. There future is here, and unless there's a referendum to get rid of second/third generation Britons of south Asian descent, my future is here too. I work in the public sector, one siblings practice law, another is a theatre actor, another has completed a degree in English and my youngest is planning on studying Classics at university. I hope our efforts have enhanced the country somewhat. | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. Who are the original, back in the day immigrants? The Romans? Vikings? French? Former British Indians? Vietnamese refugees? The Irish? Balkan refugees? People from the Caribbean? Australians? South Africans? The kindertranports? Philippians? Kiwis? Ghurkas? Foreign & Commonwealth soldiers? I'm so forgetful, I can never remember which are the good immigrants and which are the bad! " Well i suppose if we all wanted to be smart arses about it, he probably doesn't mean the invading armies from hundreds and a thousand years ago that have no bearing on today's migratory issues, unless today's migrants are hitching a ride in long boats or there's still centurions queuing at passport control, holding up the lines or maybe all the illegal migrants waiting to storm the port of dover with their norman and saxon counterparts. Now i'm pretty sure he was meaning the folk that came from the colonies to rebuild britain after the 2nd world war and i would go so far as to say you did too. | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses?" An Australian style points based system has been proposed. I went through this to get a permanent residency visa. The Australian Government produces a list of required skills, the higher up the list a skill is, the more points you get. You have to have a certain level of English, and now have to take a test... this is written and an 'interview', and takes 3 hours. You also have to have a full medical, for all that are migrating. With regard to skills, you have to have 2 years recent relevant experience, supply all relevant certificates (certified by a lawyer), supply references for your job history, supply signed off and certified apprenticeship papers, and may be asked to take a trade test. Even then, once in Australia, you may have to study and take Australian equivalent exams within a couple of years. Hairdressing is usually near the top of the required skills list. The skills list is updated every year or two. You also have to have a full criminal record check carried out. So you get points for the right skills, recent experience, English language (written and spoken), health, age, and (lack of) criminal record. You don't have to have a job to go to, but you do have to have sufficient means to live until you find a job. You have to register onto their equivalent of the NHS... Medicare. It's not a free system, you pay for a doctors appointment, up front, for example. You are not entitled to any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. You also gain, or lose points, dependent upon your age. If you're over 45, you'll find it almost impossible to get a permanent visa. The above is what's required for a permanent visa. There are other types of visa, for example a young persons working visa (18-35, initially for a year, extendable to 2 years), a student visa, and a sponsored work visa ( where you have to have a job to go to, and that job has to be guaranteed for the duration of your visa, usually up to 2 years. These are all restricted visas, have conditions against them, and valid for a set period. If you don't comply with the terms of your visa, you are immediately deported, and banned from entering Australia for usually at least 10 years. If you commit a crime, dependent upon the severity of the crime and how long you've been there, your citizenship can be rescinded and you'll be deported back to where you came from. Some years ago, there was a case of someone that had been there for 38 years, and was deported back to England. Hope this clears up some of the confusion about the proposed points system. I found it an excellent system, very fair, and you know exactly what you have to do to emigrate there. It took me some years to get my visa, and cost me in the region of £40K, as I had to go back 'on the tools' to get recent experience. I also went to Australia 5 or 6 times on 'scouting missions'. | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses? An Australian style points based system has been proposed. I went through this to get a permanent residency visa. The Australian Government produces a list of required skills, the higher up the list a skill is, the more points you get. You have to have a certain level of English, and now have to take a test... this is written and an 'interview', and takes 3 hours. You also have to have a full medical, for all that are migrating. With regard to skills, you have to have 2 years recent relevant experience, supply all relevant certificates (certified by a lawyer), supply references for your job history, supply signed off and certified apprenticeship papers, and may be asked to take a trade test. Even then, once in Australia, you may have to study and take Australian equivalent exams within a couple of years. Hairdressing is usually near the top of the required skills list. The skills list is updated every year or two. You also have to have a full criminal record check carried out. So you get points for the right skills, recent experience, English language (written and spoken), health, age, and (lack of) criminal record. You don't have to have a job to go to, but you do have to have sufficient means to live until you find a job. You have to register onto their equivalent of the NHS... Medicare. It's not a free system, you pay for a doctors appointment, up front, for example. You are not entitled to any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. You also gain, or lose points, dependent upon your age. If you're over 45, you'll find it almost impossible to get a permanent visa. The above is what's required for a permanent visa. There are other types of visa, for example a young persons working visa (18-35, initially for a year, extendable to 2 years), a student visa, and a sponsored work visa ( where you have to have a job to go to, and that job has to be guaranteed for the duration of your visa, usually up to 2 years. These are all restricted visas, have conditions against them, and valid for a set period. If you don't comply with the terms of your visa, you are immediately deported, and banned from entering Australia for usually at least 10 years. If you commit a crime, dependent upon the severity of the crime and how long you've been there, your citizenship can be rescinded and you'll be deported back to where you came from. Some years ago, there was a case of someone that had been there for 38 years, and was deported back to England. Hope this clears up some of the confusion about the proposed points system. I found it an excellent system, very fair, and you know exactly what you have to do to emigrate there. It took me some years to get my visa, and cost me in the region of £40K, as I had to go back 'on the tools' to get recent experience. I also went to Australia 5 or 6 times on 'scouting missions'. " Forgot to say, you may also be required to lodge money with the Australian Government for a couple of years. | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses? An Australian style points based system has been proposed. I went through this to get a permanent residency visa. The Australian Government produces a list of required skills, the higher up the list a skill is, the more points you get. You have to have a certain level of English, and now have to take a test... this is written and an 'interview', and takes 3 hours. You also have to have a full medical, for all that are migrating. With regard to skills, you have to have 2 years recent relevant experience, supply all relevant certificates (certified by a lawyer), supply references for your job history, supply signed off and certified apprenticeship papers, and may be asked to take a trade test. Even then, once in Australia, you may have to study and take Australian equivalent exams within a couple of years. Hairdressing is usually near the top of the required skills list. The skills list is updated every year or two. You also have to have a full criminal record check carried out. So you get points for the right skills, recent experience, English language (written and spoken), health, age, and (lack of) criminal record. You don't have to have a job to go to, but you do have to have sufficient means to live until you find a job. You have to register onto their equivalent of the NHS... Medicare. It's not a free system, you pay for a doctors appointment, up front, for example. You are not entitled to any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. You also gain, or lose points, dependent upon your age. If you're over 45, you'll find it almost impossible to get a permanent visa. The above is what's required for a permanent visa. There are other types of visa, for example a young persons working visa (18-35, initially for a year, extendable to 2 years), a student visa, and a sponsored work visa ( where you have to have a job to go to, and that job has to be guaranteed for the duration of your visa, usually up to 2 years. These are all restricted visas, have conditions against them, and valid for a set period. If you don't comply with the terms of your visa, you are immediately deported, and banned from entering Australia for usually at least 10 years. If you commit a crime, dependent upon the severity of the crime and how long you've been there, your citizenship can be rescinded and you'll be deported back to where you came from. Some years ago, there was a case of someone that had been there for 38 years, and was deported back to England. Hope this clears up some of the confusion about the proposed points system. I found it an excellent system, very fair, and you know exactly what you have to do to emigrate there. It took me some years to get my visa, and cost me in the region of £40K, as I had to go back 'on the tools' to get recent experience. I also went to Australia 5 or 6 times on 'scouting missions'. Forgot to say, you may also be required to lodge money with the Australian Government for a couple of years." That sounds spot on
I also believe once you receive clearance with paperwork signed, you have something like 2 years to make the move or the paperwork becomes void | |||
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"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. Who are the original, back in the day immigrants? The Romans? Vikings? French? Former British Indians? Vietnamese refugees? The Irish? Balkan refugees? People from the Caribbean? Australians? South Africans? The kindertranports? Philippians? Kiwis? Ghurkas? Foreign & Commonwealth soldiers? I'm so forgetful, I can never remember which are the good immigrants and which are the bad! " Oh fuck-it I give up  will not bother to respond anymore, pointless! | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses? An Australian style points based system has been proposed. I went through this to get a permanent residency visa. The Australian Government produces a list of required skills, the higher up the list a skill is, the more points you get. You have to have a certain level of English, and now have to take a test... this is written and an 'interview', and takes 3 hours. You also have to have a full medical, for all that are migrating. With regard to skills, you have to have 2 years recent relevant experience, supply all relevant certificates (certified by a lawyer), supply references for your job history, supply signed off and certified apprenticeship papers, and may be asked to take a trade test. Even then, once in Australia, you may have to study and take Australian equivalent exams within a couple of years. Hairdressing is usually near the top of the required skills list. The skills list is updated every year or two. You also have to have a full criminal record check carried out. So you get points for the right skills, recent experience, English language (written and spoken), health, age, and (lack of) criminal record. You don't have to have a job to go to, but you do have to have sufficient means to live until you find a job. You have to register onto their equivalent of the NHS... Medicare. It's not a free system, you pay for a doctors appointment, up front, for example. You are not entitled to any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. You also gain, or lose points, dependent upon your age. If you're over 45, you'll find it almost impossible to get a permanent visa. The above is what's required for a permanent visa. There are other types of visa, for example a young persons working visa (18-35, initially for a year, extendable to 2 years), a student visa, and a sponsored work visa ( where you have to have a job to go to, and that job has to be guaranteed for the duration of your visa, usually up to 2 years. These are all restricted visas, have conditions against them, and valid for a set period. If you don't comply with the terms of your visa, you are immediately deported, and banned from entering Australia for usually at least 10 years. If you commit a crime, dependent upon the severity of the crime and how long you've been there, your citizenship can be rescinded and you'll be deported back to where you came from. Some years ago, there was a case of someone that had been there for 38 years, and was deported back to England. Hope this clears up some of the confusion about the proposed points system. I found it an excellent system, very fair, and you know exactly what you have to do to emigrate there. It took me some years to get my visa, and cost me in the region of £40K, as I had to go back 'on the tools' to get recent experience. I also went to Australia 5 or 6 times on 'scouting missions'. Forgot to say, you may also be required to lodge money with the Australian Government for a couple of years. That sounds spot on
I also believe once you receive clearance with paperwork signed, you have something like 2 years to make the move or the paperwork becomes void"I agree this system sounds good. It is however for the skills job list. The problem we have here isn't in skilled jobs, it's the entry level positions and manual labour jobs that need filling. I've worked in the catering industry for 15 years. During that time the proportion of immigrant workers in the industry has risen dramatically. Chefs are a great example. It's a tough job, 80 hour week, 40 degree plus heat and average pay. I have no idea why but the polish chefs can hack it and the British can't. The amount of young Brits out of college handed amazing opportunities just to throw them away is staggering. The reason immigration rose was because of a huge gap in the workforce as people don't want lower level jobs. I blame the mad surge of uni places in the late 90's - early 2000's ( of which I was a part of) People left uni with a 2-2 in fuck all and wanted a graduate job. We lost a generation of hard workers because we were all told to go to uni and be a manager. It didn't work. It worked for the labour government who's unemployment figures looked good for a while. But it only offset them short term. It'd be interesting to see how this system would work for jobs such as cleaners, fast food workers, shelf stackers etc. All important jobs that need filling by a generation unwilling to fill them | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses? An Australian style points based system has been proposed. I went through this to get a permanent residency visa. The Australian Government produces a list of required skills, the higher up the list a skill is, the more points you get. You have to have a certain level of English, and now have to take a test... this is written and an 'interview', and takes 3 hours. You also have to have a full medical, for all that are migrating. With regard to skills, you have to have 2 years recent relevant experience, supply all relevant certificates (certified by a lawyer), supply references for your job history, supply signed off and certified apprenticeship papers, and may be asked to take a trade test. Even then, once in Australia, you may have to study and take Australian equivalent exams within a couple of years. Hairdressing is usually near the top of the required skills list. The skills list is updated every year or two. You also have to have a full criminal record check carried out. So you get points for the right skills, recent experience, English language (written and spoken), health, age, and (lack of) criminal record. You don't have to have a job to go to, but you do have to have sufficient means to live until you find a job. You have to register onto their equivalent of the NHS... Medicare. It's not a free system, you pay for a doctors appointment, up front, for example. You are not entitled to any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. You also gain, or lose points, dependent upon your age. If you're over 45, you'll find it almost impossible to get a permanent visa. The above is what's required for a permanent visa. There are other types of visa, for example a young persons working visa (18-35, initially for a year, extendable to 2 years), a student visa, and a sponsored work visa ( where you have to have a job to go to, and that job has to be guaranteed for the duration of your visa, usually up to 2 years. These are all restricted visas, have conditions against them, and valid for a set period. If you don't comply with the terms of your visa, you are immediately deported, and banned from entering Australia for usually at least 10 years. If you commit a crime, dependent upon the severity of the crime and how long you've been there, your citizenship can be rescinded and you'll be deported back to where you came from. Some years ago, there was a case of someone that had been there for 38 years, and was deported back to England. Hope this clears up some of the confusion about the proposed points system. I found it an excellent system, very fair, and you know exactly what you have to do to emigrate there. It took me some years to get my visa, and cost me in the region of £40K, as I had to go back 'on the tools' to get recent experience. I also went to Australia 5 or 6 times on 'scouting missions'. Forgot to say, you may also be required to lodge money with the Australian Government for a couple of years. That sounds spot on
I also believe once you receive clearance with paperwork signed, you have something like 2 years to make the move or the paperwork becomes void
I agree this system sounds good. It is however for the skills job list. The problem we have here isn't in skilled jobs, it's the entry level positions and manual labour jobs that need filling.
I've worked in the catering industry for 15 years. During that time the proportion of immigrant workers in the industry has risen dramatically.
Chefs are a great example. It's a tough job, 80 hour week, 40 degree plus heat and average pay. I have no idea why but the polish chefs can hack it and the British can't. The amount of young Brits out of college handed amazing opportunities just to throw them away is staggering. The reason immigration rose was because of a huge gap in the workforce as people don't want lower level jobs. I blame the mad surge of uni places in the late 90's - early 2000's ( of which I was a part of)
People left uni with a 2-2 in fuck all and wanted a graduate job. We lost a generation of hard workers because we were all told to go to uni and be a manager. It didn't work. It worked for the labour government who's unemployment figures looked good for a while. But it only offset them short term. It'd be interesting to see how this system would work for jobs such as cleaners, fast food workers, shelf stackers etc. All important jobs that need filling by a generation unwilling to fill them"In my part of the country its seasonal agricultural work that is on the main done by immigrants from the EU. Back breaking work like harvesting asparagus. I don't think that people will be bothered to go through a points based immigration system for a few months of work. We always hear about how flexible businesses need to be and the points based system seems like the opposite. | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. Who are the original, back in the day immigrants? The Romans? Vikings? French? Former British Indians? Vietnamese refugees? The Irish? Balkan refugees? People from the Caribbean? Australians? South Africans? The kindertranports? Philippians? Kiwis? Ghurkas? Foreign & Commonwealth soldiers? I'm so forgetful, I can never remember which are the good immigrants and which are the bad! Oh fuck-it I give up will not bother to respond anymore, pointless!"Well which immigrants are you talking about? | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. Who are the original, back in the day immigrants? The Romans? Vikings? French? Former British Indians? Vietnamese refugees? The Irish? Balkan refugees? People from the Caribbean? Australians? South Africans? The kindertranports? Philippians? Kiwis? Ghurkas? Foreign & Commonwealth soldiers? I'm so forgetful, I can never remember which are the good immigrants and which are the bad! Well i suppose if we all wanted to be smart arses about it, he probably doesn't mean the invading armies from hundreds and a thousand years ago that have no bearing on today's migratory issues, unless today's migrants are hitching a ride in long boats or there's still centurions queuing at passport control, holding up the lines or maybe all the illegal migrants waiting to storm the port of dover with their norman and saxon counterparts. Now i'm pretty sure he was meaning the folk that came from the colonies to rebuild britain after the 2nd world war and i would go so far as to say you did too." How am I supposed to know what he means by "original immigrants"? | |||
"British is British weather they are naturalised or born here are all equal because they have become part of the U.K. Migrant workers are not and a lot of them are here to make money to send home and set up a future there. Back in the day with the original imagrents they came here to put down roots and make them and there decendents a future as part of the U.K. And so enhancing our country. My parents were economic migrants from South Asia - and long term they they presumed their future would be to return their country of birth - however, over time, they settled, made friends, raised children, educated them and grew old. Now they're a part of British society such that queuing is virtually second nature to them. They make charitable donations to support poor members of their family at home. They also make charitable donations here too. There future is here, and unless there's a referendum to get rid of second/third generation Britons of south Asian descent, my future is here too. I work in the public sector, one siblings practice law, another is a theatre actor, another has completed a degree in English and my youngest is planning on studying Classics at university. I hope our efforts have enhanced the country somewhat. " Well said !!!! | |||
" I also believe once you receive clearance with paperwork signed, you have something like 2 years to make the move or the paperwork becomes void" In the case of a permanent residency visa, you have to trigger the visa by flying in and out of Australia within 12 months of the date of its issue, and within 12 months if having your medicals. You then can't return for two weeks, but have to return to live within 5 years. I don't know about the other visas. | |||
"So how will it work? As far as I can see, most EU migrants come here and at least in the early days work in low paid jobs such as cleaning, serving and labouring in construction and/or factory work. The fact that they are in these jobs and our our own long term unemployable remain unemployed in the same numbers suggest that the inward migration is economically lead and therefore positively contributing to the country as a whole. Will our points based system award high points for cleaners and waitresses? An Australian style points based system has been proposed. I went through this to get a permanent residency visa. The Australian Government produces a list of required skills, the higher up the list a skill is, the more points you get. You have to have a certain level of English, and now have to take a test... this is written and an 'interview', and takes 3 hours. You also have to have a full medical, for all that are migrating. With regard to skills, you have to have 2 years recent relevant experience, supply all relevant certificates (certified by a lawyer), supply references for your job history, supply signed off and certified apprenticeship papers, and may be asked to take a trade test. Even then, once in Australia, you may have to study and take Australian equivalent exams within a couple of years. Hairdressing is usually near the top of the required skills list. The skills list is updated every year or two. You also have to have a full criminal record check carried out. So you get points for the right skills, recent experience, English language (written and spoken), health, age, and (lack of) criminal record. You don't have to have a job to go to, but you do have to have sufficient means to live until you find a job. You have to register onto their equivalent of the NHS... Medicare. It's not a free system, you pay for a doctors appointment, up front, for example. You are not entitled to any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. You also gain, or lose points, dependent upon your age. If you're over 45, you'll find it almost impossible to get a permanent visa. The above is what's required for a permanent visa. There are other types of visa, for example a young persons working visa (18-35, initially for a year, extendable to 2 years), a student visa, and a sponsored work visa ( where you have to have a job to go to, and that job has to be guaranteed for the duration of your visa, usually up to 2 years. These are all restricted visas, have conditions against them, and valid for a set period. If you don't comply with the terms of your visa, you are immediately deported, and banned from entering Australia for usually at least 10 years. If you commit a crime, dependent upon the severity of the crime and how long you've been there, your citizenship can be rescinded and you'll be deported back to where you came from. Some years ago, there was a case of someone that had been there for 38 years, and was deported back to England. Hope this clears up some of the confusion about the proposed points system. I found it an excellent system, very fair, and you know exactly what you have to do to emigrate there. It took me some years to get my visa, and cost me in the region of £40K, as I had to go back 'on the tools' to get recent experience. I also went to Australia 5 or 6 times on 'scouting missions'. Forgot to say, you may also be required to lodge money with the Australian Government for a couple of years. That sounds spot on
I also believe once you receive clearance with paperwork signed, you have something like 2 years to make the move or the paperwork becomes void
I agree this system sounds good. It is however for the skills job list. The problem we have here isn't in skilled jobs, it's the entry level positions and manual labour jobs that need filling.
I've worked in the catering industry for 15 years. During that time the proportion of immigrant workers in the industry has risen dramatically.
Chefs are a great example. It's a tough job, 80 hour week, 40 degree plus heat and average pay. I have no idea why but the polish chefs can hack it and the British can't. The amount of young Brits out of college handed amazing opportunities just to throw them away is staggering. The reason immigration rose was because of a huge gap in the workforce as people don't want lower level jobs. I blame the mad surge of uni places in the late 90's - early 2000's ( of which I was a part of)
People left uni with a 2-2 in fuck all and wanted a graduate job. We lost a generation of hard workers because we were all told to go to uni and be a manager. It didn't work. It worked for the labour government who's unemployment figures looked good for a while. But it only offset them short term. It'd be interesting to see how this system would work for jobs such as cleaners, fast food workers, shelf stackers etc. All important jobs that need filling by a generation unwilling to fill them
In my part of the country its seasonal agricultural work that is on the main done by immigrants from the EU. Back breaking work like harvesting asparagus. I don't think that people will be bothered to go through a points based immigration system for a few months of work.
We always hear about how flexible businesses need to be and the points based system seems like the opposite."seasonal work is covered by other visas... for example young persons working visa. Cooking is a skill. And the government may decide that it is a required skill. Once you have your permanent visa, you don't have to do the job in the skill you got it for... the about 95% do. Most people do get jobs in bars, waiting in tables, cleaning, etc whilst they are looking for work. Probably one of the advantages of not paying any benefits for the first 2 or 3 years. The Australian Government also limit the numbers of migrants that they want... when I applied I think it was 120,000 that year. | |||
