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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them. "

Lots of racism coming out now from people....the brextiters seems to have entitled them...very sad for the country and the population

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them.

Lots of racism coming out now from people....the brextiters seems to have entitled them...very sad for the country and the population "

I don't believe that there are 17m racists, I don't believe that ~3m UKIP voters are all racists either. But some people fucking well are racists and I'm fed up of them denying it followed by an obviously racist statement

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

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I think there is an issue with overt racism and the more prevalent but harder to prove racism-lite that many of us experience every day. Even on here.

I'm not racism but... has been on the increase in the last week or so, along with, I'm not racist and I resent being called racist and xenophobic. What both have in common, as far as I can see, is that they accept an underlying ideology that includes elements that are racist to it. But it's easy, and convenient, to ignore those bits if they don't directly affect you.

Back to your op, though. My favourite is, I'm not racist... I have a black friend.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I think there is an issue with overt racism and the more prevalent but harder to prove racism-lite that many of us experience every day. Even on here.

I'm not racism but... has been on the increase in the last week or so, along with, I'm not racist and I resent being called racist and xenophobic. What both have in common, as far as I can see, is that they accept an underlying ideology that includes elements that are racist to it. But it's easy, and convenient, to ignore those bits if they don't directly affect you.

Back to your op, though. My favourite is, I'm not racist... I have a black friend. "

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits.

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

dissatisfied


"I think there is an issue with overt racism and the more prevalent but harder to prove racism-lite that many of us experience every day. Even on here.

I'm not racism but... has been on the increase in the last week or so, along with, I'm not racist and I resent being called racist and xenophobic. What both have in common, as far as I can see, is that they accept an underlying ideology that includes elements that are racist to it. But it's easy, and convenient, to ignore those bits if they don't directly affect you.

Back to your op, though. My favourite is, I'm not racist... I have a black friend.

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits. "

Sounds about right ..its like the British abroad moaning about the foreigners..hang on they live there ..

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

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"

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits. "

I've experienced it.

I usually get, Where are you from? I answer, London. They reply, No, where are you really from? Sometimes followed with, Your English is very good.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago

we've played a lot of gigs all over europe in support of anti-racism causes over the years and lots of people have asked "how do we know what a racist looks like?" ..... the answer is you don't, but you'll fucking well know what one sounds like

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed?

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

dissatisfied


"we've played a lot of gigs all over europe in support of anti-racism causes over the years and lots of people have asked "how do we know what a racist looks like?" ..... the answer is you don't, but you'll fucking well know what one sounds like"

Absolutely brilliant ..i have removed 30,ex school acquaintances from face book never knew how many acquaintances I had with racial tendencies until the brexit campaign ..

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago


"What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed? "

no .... i think it's just the excuses that racists hide behind and the sound bites they use which have changed .... the racism is same as it ever was

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed?

no .... i think it's just the excuses that racists hide behind and the sound bites they use which have changed .... the racism is same as it ever was "

Where do you think it comes from then? Children aren't racist, you can see it when they play with other kids... it gets learnt at a point in time

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed? "

Only partially. There is a definite mix of the two. Both have the core of 'We're superior to you' and the (often mistaken) belief (hype) that Johnny Foreigner is getting something only I (white Brit) should get makes that feel like a greater affront.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago


"we've played a lot of gigs all over europe in support of anti-racism causes over the years and lots of people have asked "how do we know what a racist looks like?" ..... the answer is you don't, but you'll fucking well know what one sounds like

Absolutely brilliant ..i have removed 30,ex school acquaintances from face book never knew how many acquaintances I had with racial tendencies until the brexit campaign .."

this ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqH_0LPVoho

.... as important now as it was 33 years ago

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago


"What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed?

no .... i think it's just the excuses that racists hide behind and the sound bites they use which have changed .... the racism is same as it ever was

Where do you think it comes from then? Children aren't racist, you can see it when they play with other kids... it gets learnt at a point in time"

yep

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

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"What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed?

no .... i think it's just the excuses that racists hide behind and the sound bites they use which have changed .... the racism is same as it ever was

Where do you think it comes from then? Children aren't racist, you can see it when they play with other kids... it gets learnt at a point in time"

Children seek to conform. Very early. Casual racism reinforced throughout the day at home and in social groups helps set the thought processes. If that is further reinforced with blatant racism then you have a child ready to copy.

A few years ago I heard an interview with a white man who had been an aggressor during the 1958 Notting Hill race riots. He described how his world view had to change when he saw racism being experienced by his mixed race grandchildren.

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

From Avenue Q:

Princeton:

Say, Kate, can I ask you a question?

Kate Monster:

Sure!

Princeton:

Well, you know Trekkie Monster upstairs?

Kate Monster:

Uh huh.

Princeton:

Well, he's Trekkie Monster, and you're Kate Monster.

Kate Monster:

Right.

Princeton:

You're both Monsters.

Kate Monster:

Yeah.

Princeton:

Are you two related?

Kate Monster:

What?! Princeton, I'm surprised at you! I find that racist!

Princeton:

Oh, well, I'm sorry! I was just asking!

Kate Monster:

Well, it's a touchy subject.

No, not all Monsters are related.

What are you trying say, huh?

That we all look the same to you?

Huh, huh, huh?

Princeton:

No, no, no, not at all. I'm sorry,

I guess that was a little racist.

Kate Monster:

I should say so. You should be much more

careful when you're talking about the

sensitive subject of race.

Princeton:

Well, look who's talking!

Kate Monster:

What do you mean?

Princeton:

What about that special Monster School you told me about?

Kate Monster:

What about it?

Princeton:

Could someone like me go there?

Kate Monster:

No, we don't want people like you-

Princeton:

You see?!

You're a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:

Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:

I guess we're both a little bit racist.

Kate Monster:

Admitting it is not an easy thing to do...

Princeton:

But I guess it's true.

Kate Monster:

Between me and you,

I think

Both:

Everyone's a little bit racist

Sometimes.

Doesn't mean we go

Around committing hate crimes.

Look around and you will find

No one's really color blind.

Maybe it's a fact

We all should face

Everyone makes judgments

Based on race.

Princeton:

Now not big judgments, like who to hire

or who to buy a newspaper from -

Kate Monster:

No!

Princeton:

No, just little judgments like thinking that Mexican

busboys should learn to speak goddamn English!

Kate Monster:

Right!

Both:

Everyone's a little bit racist

Today.

So, everyone's a little bit racist

Okay!

Ethinic jokes might be uncouth,

But you laugh because

They're based on truth.

Don't take them as

Personal attacks.

Everyone enjoys them -

So relax!

Princeton:

All right, stop me if you've heard this one.

Kate Monster:

Okay!

Princeton:

There's a plan going down and there's only

one paracute. And there's a rabbi, a priest...

Kate Monster:

And a black guy!

Gary Coleman:

Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Kate?

Kate Monster:

Uh...

Gary Coleman:

You were telling a black joke!

Princeton:

Well, sure, Gary, but lots of people tell black jokes.

Gary Coleman:

I don't.

Princeton:

Well, of course you don't - you're black!

But I bet you tell Polack jokes, right?

Gary Coleman:

Well, sure I do. Those stupid Polacks!

Princeton:

Now, don't you think that's a little racist?

Gary Coleman:

Well, damn, I guess you're right.

Kate Monster:

You're a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:

Well, you're a little bit too.

Princeton:

We're all a little bit racist.

Gary Coleman:

I think that I would

Have to agree with you.

Princeton/Kate Monster:

We're glad you do.

Gary Coleman:

It's sad but true!

Everyone's a little bit racist -

All right!

Kate Monster:

All right!

Princeton:

All right!

Gary Coleman:

All right!

Bigotry has never been

Exclusively white

All:

If we all could just admit

That we are racist a little bit,

Even though we all know

That it's wrong,

Maybe it would help us

Get along.

Princeton:

Oh, Christ do I feel good.

Gary Coleman:

Now there was a fine upstanding black man!

Princeton:

Who?

Gary Coleman:

Jesus Christ.

Kate Monster:

But, Gary, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:

No, Jesus was black.

Kate Monster:

No, Jesus was white.

Gary Coleman:

No, I'm pretty sure that Jesus was black-

Princeton:

Guys, guys...Jesus was Jewish!

Brian:

Hey guys, what are you laughing about?

Gary Coleman:

Racism!

Brian:

Cool.

Christmas Eve:

BRIAN! Come back here!

You take out lecycuraburs!

Princeton:

What's that mean?

Brian:

Um, recyclables.

Hey, don't laugh at her!

How many languages do you speak?

Kate Monster:

Oh, come off it, Brian!

Everyone's a little bit racist.

Brian:

I'm not!

Princeton:

Oh no?

Brian:

Nope!

How many Oriental wives

Have you got?

Christmas Eve:

What? Brian!

Princeton:

Brian, buddy, where you been?

The term is Asian-American!

Christmas Eve:

I know you are no

Intending to be

But calling me Oriental -

Offensive to me!

Brian:

I'm sorry, honey, I love you.

Christmas Eve:

And I love you.

Brian:

But you're racist, too.

Christmas Eve:

Yes, I know.

The Jews have all

The money

And the whites have all

The power.

And I'm always in taxi-cab

With driver who no shower!

Princeton:

Me too!

Kate Monster:

Me too!

Gary Coleman:

I can't even get a taxi!

All:

Everyone's a little bit racist

It's true.

But everyone is just about

As racist as you!

If we all could just admit

That we are racist a little bit,

And everyone stopped being

So PC

Maybe we could live in -

Harmony!

Christmas Eve:

Evlyone's a ritter bit lacist!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Good post

there might be some kind of prejudice in us all but don't know if you can put it just down to racism.

For some reason I don't like people from the East Midlands much and I don't really know why. Maybe its just the way they talk. Or because my little sister married a knobhead from that area

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By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

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"What would you guys say to the notion that the nature of racism has changed?

In the 60's / 70's racism was born of unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. Johnny foreigner gets off the boat and looks a bit odd, eats some smelly food and that's why we don't like him.

Today, racism comes from familiarity.

It's the politics of envy that turned one group against each other. We actually known Johnny foreigner well. We know what we don't like about them and we are angry at their special privileges wether it's benefits, putting their mosques where ever they like or getting hired for working for less money.

I'm not suggesting this is based on reality but do people think the nature of racism has changed?

no .... i think it's just the excuses that racists hide behind and the sound bites they use which have changed .... the racism is same as it ever was "

There are some who are cleverer than in the past (camouflaging hate within convoluted nice speak) but it's the same racism, however it's dressed up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good post

there might be some kind of prejudice in us all but don't know if you can put it just down to racism.

For some reason I don't like people from the East Midlands much and I don't really know why. Maybe its just the way they talk. Or because my little sister married a knobhead from that area

"

Another good post CandM4u

and when you think of it, us Scots (Jocks) get it as hard as anyone, especially on this forum.

.

Some here have mentioned that its when you are children that you pick it up, I will bring you a memory of the education my generation had as kids

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1dakp4FT0w

.

Now? was that racist or just a thing of the times?

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By *illwill69uMan  over a year ago

moston

Personally think there is at least one good thing to come out of the Brexit vote:

That is that the quite insidious xenophobic attitudes of many in this country has being uncovered.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Good post

there might be some kind of prejudice in us all but don't know if you can put it just down to racism.

For some reason I don't like people from the East Midlands much and I don't really know why. Maybe its just the way they talk. Or because my little sister married a knobhead from that area

Another good post CandM4u

and when you think of it, us Scots (Jocks) get it as hard as anyone, especially on this forum.

.

Some here have mentioned that its when you are children that you pick it up, I will bring you a memory of the education my generation had as kids

.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1dakp4FT0w

.

Now? was that racist or just a thing of the times?"

Trust me; watch the link, you will love it

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

xenophobe seems to be the buzz word of the decade now then!

Why is it xenophobic to want to control just who comes into you're home? Because that't what the UK is to us.

I am not about banning any particular race or creed but some kind of control is needed because at the moment it has just got out of hand.

The EU wants to dilute and dilute every country until there is just one big organisation run from one point.

Sooner or later every organisation needs reorganising but the EU does not want this as it would dilute thier control on everything.

no more time to type now

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By *oo hotCouple  over a year ago

North West


"

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits.

I've experienced it.

I usually get, Where are you from? I answer, London. They reply, No, where are you really from? Sometimes followed with, Your English is very good. "

We get this too. Our stock answer is.... Yes my English is good... So is my maths, I can count all the way to 10.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits.

I've experienced it.

I usually get, Where are you from? I answer, London. They reply, No, where are you really from? Sometimes followed with, Your English is very good.

We get this too. Our stock answer is.... Yes my English is good... So is my maths, I can count all the way to 10."

I get this too my reply...I'm from China usually ends the convo

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago

Brenton, I know it's about a year old now but did you see the original video I'm talking about?

What do you think when you see that kind of thing?

She does seem to be a complete simpleton and she cannot see what's wrong with what she said!

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Brenton, I know it's about a year old now but did you see the original video I'm talking about?

What do you think when you see that kind of thing?

She does seem to be a complete simpleton and she cannot see what's wrong with what she said! "

no haven't what's the link?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Brenton, I know it's about a year old now but did you see the original video I'm talking about?

What do you think when you see that kind of thing?

She does seem to be a complete simpleton and she cannot see what's wrong with what she said! no haven't what's the link?"

This is the full documentary:

https://youtu.be/aI_CrdcVcz4

If you click on it then there are shorter videos that just show her making an arse of herself.

It's worth mentioning that the two party members she said that to both quit the party so this isn't an anti-UKIP thing.

Not meaning to lead the witness but my take on it is that she doesn't see herself as racist because she isn't angry or hateful towards "negros" or Jews "with curves in their noses". To her, the state of being a racist feels natural so she can't be a bad person because of it. I think she struggles to reconcile the idea that some people are just naturally twats.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them.

Lots of racism coming out now from people....the brextiters seems to have entitled them...very sad for the country and the population "

Hey listen up. Neither I nor anyone I knew or spoke with in that campaign entitled ANYONE to make racist comments. People like you throw the racist comment about like confetti hoping it hits someone somewhere.

So here is a challenge for you: Show us ONE film, ONE comment, ONE event for the Vote Leave campaign that was in ANY way racist or 'entitling' racist comments. Being concerned about migration is NOT, repeat NOT, in any way racist. Except to people like you apparently

Unless you can do that I think you should apologise to thousands of volunteers like me who worked long days (and nights) and fought to get us out of the EU and had NOTHING, not a damn thing, to do with racism. In another Thread I was accused of being anti-semitic. Want to add THAT to your global accusations?

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them.

Lots of racism coming out now from people....the brextiters seems to have entitled them...very sad for the country and the population

Hey listen up. Neither I nor anyone I knew or spoke with in that campaign entitled ANYONE to make racist comments. People like you throw the racist comment about like confetti hoping it hits someone somewhere.

So here is a challenge for you: Show us ONE film, ONE comment, ONE event for the Vote Leave campaign that was in ANY way racist or 'entitling' racist comments. Being concerned about migration is NOT, repeat NOT, in any way racist. Except to people like you apparently

Unless you can do that I think you should apologise to thousands of volunteers like me who worked long days (and nights) and fought to get us out of the EU and had NOTHING, not a damn thing, to do with racism. In another Thread I was accused of being anti-semitic. Want to add THAT to your global accusations?"

Do you think Farage should apologise for the poster featuring Syrian refugees?

Yes that's a leading question...

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them. "

I actually deny being a racist because I am not a racist not out of any 'habit'. To say so is a pretty far fetched assumption.

In fairness this YouTube clip was from February 2015 reporting on earlier events and so had nothing to do with the Brexit campaign. I really do not understand why you are linking the two? What is the relevance of one woman expressing her views born of ignorance got to do with a campaign some 18 months later? Especially as she was fired from UKIP within hours. You forgot to mention that.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them.

I actually deny being a racist because I am not a racist not out of any 'habit'. To say so is a pretty far fetched assumption.

In fairness this YouTube clip was from February 2015 reporting on earlier events and so had nothing to do with the Brexit campaign. I really do not understand why you are linking the two? What is the relevance of one woman expressing her views born of ignorance got to do with a campaign some 18 months later? Especially as she was fired from UKIP within hours. You forgot to mention that."

I've mentioned several times on this thread that I'm not accusing UKIP of being a racist party and that the 2 members she spoke to quit. Even though Farage saw fit to put his face on a very racist poster.

It's a fact that I stumbled across the video via BREXIT links which is the only linkage I've made.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Some BREXIT you tube links took me back to UKIP councillors Rozanne Duncan's comment that:

"I'm not racist but... I don't like negros or anyone with negro features"

Since we all know "racist" is an insult now. Anyone who actually is racist seems to automatically deny it out od habbit! The thing that really sounds strange about Rozannes comments is that she actually says them out loud rather than just thinking them.

Lots of racism coming out now from people....the brextiters seems to have entitled them...very sad for the country and the population

Hey listen up. Neither I nor anyone I knew or spoke with in that campaign entitled ANYONE to make racist comments. People like you throw the racist comment about like confetti hoping it hits someone somewhere.

So here is a challenge for you: Show us ONE film, ONE comment, ONE event for the Vote Leave campaign that was in ANY way racist or 'entitling' racist comments. Being concerned about migration is NOT, repeat NOT, in any way racist. Except to people like you apparently

Unless you can do that I think you should apologise to thousands of volunteers like me who worked long days (and nights) and fought to get us out of the EU and had NOTHING, not a damn thing, to do with racism. In another Thread I was accused of being anti-semitic. Want to add THAT to your global accusations?

Do you think Farage should apologise for the poster featuring Syrian refugees?

Yes that's a leading question..."

He did actually express regret at the timing in view of Jo Cox's murder but pointed out that the same photograph had been used 2 months earlier and no one complained. It had also been used in the media. Getting away from the awful emotions of the MP's murder the poster was showing how hopeless the EU was at controlling immigration INTO the EU. And therefore the possible threat to the UK. If you think there is no connection take a trip with a truck driver to Calais.

The poster made a very serious point but understandable emotions painted it in a different light. And I have to ask you this. Where was the racism in it? If all those millions of migrants coming in to the EU illegally are black or coloured then the photographs will show that. To say we do not want illegal immigration into the EU is NOT the same as saying we do not want coloured / black people. One is the revers of the other and the poster never mentioned race or colour or creed. Did it?

It is just as wrong to say 'all Muslims are terrorists'. They are not. But people say that because sadly all terrorists seem to be Muslims these days.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I've mentioned several times on this thread that I'm not accusing UKIP of being a racist party and that the 2 members she spoke to quit. Even though Farage saw fit to put his face on a very racist poster. "

You really must either stop accusing Farage of being racist or provide proof. You make connections where there are no connections as you have just done here. Precisely WHAT posters has Farage been associated with that are racist?

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By *iss_tressWoman  over a year ago

London


"I think there is an issue with overt racism and the more prevalent but harder to prove racism-lite that many of us experience every day. Even on here.

I'm not racism but... has been on the increase in the last week or so, along with, I'm not racist and I resent being called racist and xenophobic. What both have in common, as far as I can see, is that they accept an underlying ideology that includes elements that are racist to it. But it's easy, and convenient, to ignore those bits if they don't directly affect you.

Back to your op, though. My favourite is, I'm not racist... I have a black friend.

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits. "

I was in WH Smith, way before we'd even heard of brexit and from the conversation the assistant was having she'd just had an altercation with a black customer.

She turned to me and said what does (can't recall what the word was) mean in your language? I replied my grandparents, parents and I were British and I was born five miles from where we were standing so my language was English.

She looked at me blankly and said ok, but what does it mean in your language?

Uncharitabley I thought no wonder at your age you're working in Smiths, ignorant cow.

I'm black, ergo English can't be my first and only language!

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


" I've mentioned several times on this thread that I'm not accusing UKIP of being a racist party and that the 2 members she spoke to quit. Even though Farage saw fit to put his face on a very racist poster.

You really must either stop accusing Farage of being racist or provide proof. You make connections where there are no connections as you have just done here. Precisely WHAT posters has Farage been associated with that are racist? "

I didn't say he was racist and I've said multiple times to you that he isn't. However that poster is and the obvious flaw in your analysis is that it's got a bunch of refugees on it, not immigrants because you know perfectly well that Syria isn't in the EU

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago

the fact that known racists were on the campaign trail with various right wing politicians for Vote Leave, Leave.EU and Grassroots out means that the supporters of brexit now have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not racist and it will take many months for them to do this .... just stating "i am not a racist" is not enough ....it has to be done in order to push back this recently rising tide of racist sentiment. they may not like it but tough luck, they should've done more during the campaign to close down the racists amongst them.

by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"I think there is an issue with overt racism and the more prevalent but harder to prove racism-lite that many of us experience every day. Even on here.

I'm not racism but... has been on the increase in the last week or so, along with, I'm not racist and I resent being called racist and xenophobic. What both have in common, as far as I can see, is that they accept an underlying ideology that includes elements that are racist to it. But it's easy, and convenient, to ignore those bits if they don't directly affect you.

Back to your op, though. My favourite is, I'm not racist... I have a black friend.

I'm from the countryside and people aren't so much racist as they are fucking ignorant. If they see a foreigner then they just ask 20 questions that all start with "in your country do you have..." and never does the conversation ever imply that a foreign could just be a normal person who would rather than about football, the weather or tits.

I was in WH Smith, way before we'd even heard of brexit and from the conversation the assistant was having she'd just had an altercation with a black customer.

She turned to me and said what does (can't recall what the word was) mean in your language? I replied my grandparents, parents and I were British and I was born five miles from where we were standing so my language was English.

She looked at me blankly and said ok, but what does it mean in your language?

Uncharitabley I thought no wonder at your age you're working in Smiths, ignorant cow.

I'm black, ergo English can't be my first and only language! "

And we pay taxes to provide these people with free education

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"xenophobe seems to be the buzz word of the decade now then!

Why is it xenophobic to want to control just who comes into you're home? Because that't what the UK is to us.

I am not about banning any particular race or creed but some kind of control is needed because at the moment it has just got out of hand.

The EU wants to dilute and dilute every country until there is just one big organisation run from one point.

Sooner or later every organisation needs reorganising but the EU does not want this as it would dilute thier control on everything.

no more time to type now "

The word xenophobe comes from the Greek words meaning stranger/foreigner and fear. Is that not what is being expressed?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"xenophobe seems to be the buzz word of the decade now then!

Why is it xenophobic to want to control just who comes into you're home? Because that't what the UK is to us.

I am not about banning any particular race or creed but some kind of control is needed because at the moment it has just got out of hand.

The EU wants to dilute and dilute every country until there is just one big organisation run from one point.

Sooner or later every organisation needs reorganising but the EU does not want this as it would dilute thier control on everything.

no more time to type now

The word xenophobe comes from the Greek words meaning stranger/foreigner and fear. Is that not what is being expressed?

"

Theres a few of them on here im afraid

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"the fact that known racists were on the campaign trail with various right wing politicians for Vote Leave, Leave.EU and Grassroots out means that the supporters of brexit now have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are not racist and it will take many months for them to do this .... just stating "i am not a racist" is not enough ....it has to be done in order to push back this recently rising tide of racist sentiment. they may not like it but tough luck, they should've done more during the campaign to close down the racists amongst them.

by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist."

How do you prove you are not racist?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"xenophobe seems to be the buzz word of the decade now then!

Why is it xenophobic to want to control just who comes into you're home? Because that't what the UK is to us.

I am not about banning any particular race or creed but some kind of control is needed because at the moment it has just got out of hand.

The EU wants to dilute and dilute every country until there is just one big organisation run from one point.

Sooner or later every organisation needs reorganising but the EU does not want this as it would dilute thier control on everything.

no more time to type now

The word xenophobe comes from the Greek words meaning stranger/foreigner and fear. Is that not what is being expressed?

Theres a few of them on here im afraid "

who?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" I didn't say he was racist and I've said multiple times to you that he isn't. However that poster is and the obvious flaw in your analysis is that it's got a bunch of refugees on it, not immigrants because you know perfectly well that Syria isn't in the EU"

You IMPLIED he and people like me are racist because we express concern about migration and then give this poster as proof. Sorry but that poster is all about uncontrolled migration into the EU from outside which shows the EU has failed to control it and therefore has put the rest of the EU at risk. Us included. Why do you think EU nation states have put up fences to keep people out? Are they racist? It is certainly illegal under EU / Schengen law.

Absolutely nothing racist about the poster. Would you complain if they were all white migrants? I would. Maybe it is you seeing the colour before the person here...

And can I gently correct you on your terminology? They are refugees when they claim Asylum and the UN has very clear rules on that. They are obliged to go to the First Country of Safe Refuge and claim Asylum there. It is why it is called UNHCR and the 'R' means 'refugees'. No mention of 'migrants'. As soon as they bypass that First Country they become illegal migrants and the entire Calais camp is full of them. Why haven't they claimed Asylum in Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Greece and all countries to the UK. They are intent on coming here totally illegally. They are not refugees they are in fact criminals under UN Law.

And they are also 'immigrants' because they are foreigners coming into another country. Being part of the EU has nothing to do with that term....

Sorry to seem harsh or pedantic but language is important. And while we are here the UK has done well to take 20,000 genuine refugees from the camps in Jordan and Lebanon direct to here. Maybe if we didn't have so many people from the EU under 'Free Movement' we could take more but the numbers here are too high and that has caused a resistance by the British people to further uncontrolled migration.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago

the refugee poster? ..... it was racist .... and i'm certain that it can not be defended by people who aren't racist themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist. "

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"the refugee poster? ..... it was racist .... and i'm certain that it can not be defended by people who aren't racist themselves."

You have an opinion on that poster. Fine. I think you are profoundly wrong for the detailed an long reasons I have given above.

So I am a racist ?

A simple yes or no will suffice ...

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago


"the refugee poster? ..... it was racist .... and i'm certain that it can not be defended by people who aren't racist themselves.

You have an opinion on that poster. Fine. I think you are profoundly wrong for the detailed an long reasons I have given above.

So I am a racist ?

A simple yes or no will suffice ..."

if you want to include yourself in that bracket then fill your boots chris

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?"

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Is it okay for me to say I do not like White cars?

.

I am not fond of Cats

.

I don't like certain breeds of dog

.

I detest football and consider it a spectator sport

.

I also have a severe disliking for Charles Taylor and all of his soldiers, I consider the way they fight is wrong

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us "

What part of Obama's father was part of the Mau Mau which killed more black Kenyans than white British don't you quite understand? And you wouldn't be terrorised by machete wielding gangs intent on decapitating you? The Mau Mau were termed terrorists by the UN so go call them names as well ...

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By *abioMan  over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

i think the true racists believe they don't have to as overt as they were because they believe more people stand with their attitude.... you could almost call it a new air of confidence because they believe they can get away with it...

do i believe 17m people who voted leave are racist... of course not!, are some misguided because of what leaders told them... sure....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"the refugee poster? ..... it was racist .... and i'm certain that it can not be defended by people who aren't racist themselves.

You have an opinion on that poster. Fine. I think you are profoundly wrong for the detailed an long reasons I have given above.

So I am a racist ?

A simple yes or no will suffice ...

if you want to include yourself in that bracket then fill your boots chris"

No I most certainly do not include myself Old Son. But you clearly do but I guess you haven't the balls to say it directly when asked.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us

What part of Obama's father was part of the Mau Mau which killed more black Kenyans than white British don't you quite understand? And you wouldn't be terrorised by machete wielding gangs intent on decapitating you? The Mau Mau were termed terrorists by the UN so go call them names as well ..."

Oh i get get....but skin colour doesn't come into it....like i said freedom fighters comes in all forms of guises...and for your info...the British colonists named them the Mau Mau... ...this is a quote from Wiki below.

"As the movement progressed, a Swahili backronym was adopted: "Mzungu Aende Ulaya, Mwafrika Apate Uhuru" meaning "Let the foreigner go back abroad, let the African regain independence". J.M. Kariuki, a member of Mau Mau who was detained during the conflict, postulates that the British preferred to use the term Mau Mau instead of KLFA in an attempt to deny the Mau Mau rebellion international legitimacy. Kariuki also wrote that the term Mau Mau was adopted by the rebellion in order to counter what they regarded as colonial propaganda."

I reiterate my statement...they were trying to rid Jonny Foreigner from there country....only they used different methods

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us

What part of Obama's father was part of the Mau Mau which killed more black Kenyans than white British don't you quite understand? And you wouldn't be terrorised by machete wielding gangs intent on decapitating you? The Mau Mau were termed terrorists by the UN so go call them names as well ...

Oh i get get....but skin colour doesn't come into it....like i said freedom fighters comes in all forms of guises...and for your info...the British colonists named them the Mau Mau... ...this is a quote from Wiki below.

"As the movement progressed, a Swahili backronym was adopted: "Mzungu Aende Ulaya, Mwafrika Apate Uhuru" meaning "Let the foreigner go back abroad, let the African regain independence". J.M. Kariuki, a member of Mau Mau who was detained during the conflict, postulates that the British preferred to use the term Mau Mau instead of KLFA in an attempt to deny the Mau Mau rebellion international legitimacy. Kariuki also wrote that the term Mau Mau was adopted by the rebellion in order to counter what they regarded as colonial propaganda."

I reiterate my statement...they were trying to rid Jonny Foreigner from there country....only they used different methods "

what are your opinions on the way the EU keeps Africans poor and starving? In particular Germany?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us

What part of Obama's father was part of the Mau Mau which killed more black Kenyans than white British don't you quite understand? And you wouldn't be terrorised by machete wielding gangs intent on decapitating you? The Mau Mau were termed terrorists by the UN so go call them names as well ...

Oh i get get....but skin colour doesn't come into it....like i said freedom fighters comes in all forms of guises...and for your info...the British colonists named them the Mau Mau... ...this is a quote from Wiki below.

"As the movement progressed, a Swahili backronym was adopted: "Mzungu Aende Ulaya, Mwafrika Apate Uhuru" meaning "Let the foreigner go back abroad, let the African regain independence". J.M. Kariuki, a member of Mau Mau who was detained during the conflict, postulates that the British preferred to use the term Mau Mau instead of KLFA in an attempt to deny the Mau Mau rebellion international legitimacy. Kariuki also wrote that the term Mau Mau was adopted by the rebellion in order to counter what they regarded as colonial propaganda."

I reiterate my statement...they were trying to rid Jonny Foreigner from there country....only they used different methods

what are your opinions on the way the EU keeps Africans poor and starving? In particular Germany?"

when it comes to Europeans reaping benefits from other countries the English lead the way

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago


"the refugee poster? ..... it was racist .... and i'm certain that it can not be defended by people who aren't racist themselves.

You have an opinion on that poster. Fine. I think you are profoundly wrong for the detailed an long reasons I have given above.

So I am a racist ?

A simple yes or no will suffice ...

if you want to include yourself in that bracket then fill your boots chris

No I most certainly do not include myself Old Son. But you clearly do but I guess you haven't the balls to say it directly when asked.

"

it's clear this is a weak attempt to lure me into contravening forum rules just so you can hit the block button chalk. i will ignore you now as per the mods usual advice in this kind of circumstance.

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago

block button = report button

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Actually i am racist. Mainly becasue My Thai wife had to undergo a full medical before entering the Country although we are married, I had to pay £1000 visa fee,Also I had to prove I could support her,By that i mean the Government wanted to see All my investments, if any, Bank accounts, And had to have at least £18000 in the bank, Proof of a Job and Mortgage agreement or rent book. photos of the premises,it had to have enough rooms in the dwelling to support two people. When she came here she had No recourse to public funds stamped in her passport, That means cannot claim a penny although i have live in England and payed my taxes for 40 years,She had to go to college to gain a life in the UK certificate to prove she could integrate into British society, £600, Then once thats gained i had to apply again for indefinite leave to remain,£1000, all to be done in 36 months, from the date of entering the Country, after Three years she could apply for British citizenship and passport, which we did, another £1000,She has been here 8 years now and worked the last 7 years, paying tax, And still we can claim very little if we have to, Which we dont luckily,But thats not the point. Yet you can come from Eastern Europe with no ties to this Country, past or present and claim everything free, It's Called institutional racism. Some thing which Joe public get vilified if they speak out about foreigners, Yet the government gets away with it.so yes I am classed as racist.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Actually i am racist. Mainly becasue My Thai wife had to undergo a full medical before entering the Country although we are married, I had to pay £1000 visa fee,Also I had to prove I could support her,By that i mean the Government wanted to see All my investments, if any, Bank accounts, And had to have at least £18000 in the bank, Proof of a Job and Mortgage agreement or rent book. photos of the premises,it had to have enough rooms in the dwelling to support two people. When she came here she had No recourse to public funds stamped in her passport, That means cannot claim a penny although i have live in England and payed my taxes for 40 years,She had to go to college to gain a life in the UK certificate to prove she could integrate into British society, £600, Then once thats gained i had to apply again for indefinite leave to remain,£1000, all to be done in 36 months, from the date of entering the Country, after Three years she could apply for British citizenship and passport, which we did, another £1000,She has been here 8 years now and worked the last 7 years, paying tax, And still we can claim very little if we have to, Which we dont luckily,But thats not the point. Yet you can come from Eastern Europe with no ties to this Country, past or present and claim everything free, It's Called institutional racism. Some thing which Joe public get vilified if they speak out about foreigners, Yet the government gets away with it.so yes I am classed as racist."

Well done you two and well said Sir ...

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

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"Actually i am racist. Mainly becasue My Thai wife had to undergo a full medical before entering the Country although we are married, I had to pay £1000 visa fee,Also I had to prove I could support her,By that i mean the Government wanted to see All my investments, if any, Bank accounts, And had to have at least £18000 in the bank, Proof of a Job and Mortgage agreement or rent book. photos of the premises,it had to have enough rooms in the dwelling to support two people. When she came here she had No recourse to public funds stamped in her passport, That means cannot claim a penny although i have live in England and payed my taxes for 40 years,She had to go to college to gain a life in the UK certificate to prove she could integrate into British society, £600, Then once thats gained i had to apply again for indefinite leave to remain,£1000, all to be done in 36 months, from the date of entering the Country, after Three years she could apply for British citizenship and passport, which we did, another £1000,She has been here 8 years now and worked the last 7 years, paying tax, And still we can claim very little if we have to, Which we dont luckily,But thats not the point. Yet you can come from Eastern Europe with no ties to this Country, past or present and claim everything free, It's Called institutional racism. Some thing which Joe public get vilified if they speak out about foreigners, Yet the government gets away with it.so yes I am classed as racist.

Well done you two and well said Sir ... "

Wow possibly Not going going to be easy for Brits going to Europe to live after we pull out if that happens to us .still just another freedom the British public will have voted away good old Jonny English

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


" I didn't say he was racist and I've said multiple times to you that he isn't. However that poster is and the obvious flaw in your analysis is that it's got a bunch of refugees on it, not immigrants because you know perfectly well that Syria isn't in the EU

You IMPLIED he and people like me are racist because we express concern about migration and then give this poster as proof. Sorry but that poster is all about uncontrolled migration into the EU from outside which shows the EU has failed to control it and therefore has put the rest of the EU at risk. Us included. Why do you think EU nation states have put up fences to keep people out? Are they racist? It is certainly illegal under EU / Schengen law.

Absolutely nothing racist about the poster. Would you complain if they were all white migrants? I would. Maybe it is you seeing the colour before the person here...

And can I gently correct you on your terminology? They are refugees when they claim Asylum and the UN has very clear rules on that. They are obliged to go to the First Country of Safe Refuge and claim Asylum there. It is why it is called UNHCR and the 'R' means 'refugees'. No mention of 'migrants'. As soon as they bypass that First Country they become illegal migrants and the entire Calais camp is full of them. Why haven't they claimed Asylum in Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Greece and all countries to the UK. They are intent on coming here totally illegally. They are not refugees they are in fact criminals under UN Law.

And they are also 'immigrants' because they are foreigners coming into another country. Being part of the EU has nothing to do with that term....

Sorry to seem harsh or pedantic but language is important. And while we are here the UK has done well to take 20,000 genuine refugees from the camps in Jordan and Lebanon direct to here. Maybe if we didn't have so many people from the EU under 'Free Movement' we could take more but the numbers here are too high and that has caused a resistance by the British people to further uncontrolled migration.

"

Complete bollocks. You're really saying that Britain is getting squeezed by too many people coming from outside the EU now - what tosh! If you want to express concern about movement between member states then you might have a point but the number of people coming from outside in is fuck all. The real reason that poster was done is because the average cretin would look at them and assume they were coming from Turkey because the brexit campaigns wouldn't stop scaremongering about Turkey joining the EU.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us

What part of Obama's father was part of the Mau Mau which killed more black Kenyans than white British don't you quite understand? And you wouldn't be terrorised by machete wielding gangs intent on decapitating you? The Mau Mau were termed terrorists by the UN so go call them names as well ...

Oh i get get....but skin colour doesn't come into it....like i said freedom fighters comes in all forms of guises...and for your info...the British colonists named them the Mau Mau... ...this is a quote from Wiki below.

"As the movement progressed, a Swahili backronym was adopted: "Mzungu Aende Ulaya, Mwafrika Apate Uhuru" meaning "Let the foreigner go back abroad, let the African regain independence". J.M. Kariuki, a member of Mau Mau who was detained during the conflict, postulates that the British preferred to use the term Mau Mau instead of KLFA in an attempt to deny the Mau Mau rebellion international legitimacy. Kariuki also wrote that the term Mau Mau was adopted by the rebellion in order to counter what they regarded as colonial propaganda."

I reiterate my statement...they were trying to rid Jonny Foreigner from there country....only they used different methods

what are your opinions on the way the EU keeps Africans poor and starving? In particular Germany? when it comes to Europeans reaping benefits from other countries the English lead the way "

How so?

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

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" by the way we haven't forgotten, vote leave leader, Bojo's words about obama's heritage a few weeks back were racist.

Why do you accuse anyone with whom you disagree as being a 'racist'? Are you hoping to close down the debate as Labour did in 2005 when they opened the flood gates 7 years early? "We do not want it" ... "RACIST!!!"

Boris was factually and historically correct in mentioning Obama's history. he was discussing a black man's family so I guess he HAS to be a racist right? Wrong.

Obama's father was a Mau Mau terrorist in Kenya. He was captured by the British Army and given a hard time. And lets remember the Mau Mau killed more Africans than whites and they did it by hacking people's heads off. so his father had an extreme and violent hatred towards Briatin. No doubt the British Army of the day made that hatred more acute. Frankly I don't care because a terrorist is a terrorist.

So the prime and very early influence on Obama was a father with a deep seated and violent hatred of the British. That is all Boris was saying. And for that he is a racist?

Lol...you really do talk rubbish..trying to bamboozle people with "fact" and figures...a terrorist you say about Obama's father....surely in your way of thinking he should had been classed as a freedom fighter...in trying to free his country from all the Jonny Foreigners....that had and were invading his country...me personally like has been said...Xenophobes are all around us

What part of Obama's father was part of the Mau Mau which killed more black Kenyans than white British don't you quite understand? And you wouldn't be terrorised by machete wielding gangs intent on decapitating you? The Mau Mau were termed terrorists by the UN so go call them names as well ...

Oh i get get....but skin colour doesn't come into it....like i said freedom fighters comes in all forms of guises...and for your info...the British colonists named them the Mau Mau... ...this is a quote from Wiki below.

"As the movement progressed, a Swahili backronym was adopted: "Mzungu Aende Ulaya, Mwafrika Apate Uhuru" meaning "Let the foreigner go back abroad, let the African regain independence". J.M. Kariuki, a member of Mau Mau who was detained during the conflict, postulates that the British preferred to use the term Mau Mau instead of KLFA in an attempt to deny the Mau Mau rebellion international legitimacy. Kariuki also wrote that the term Mau Mau was adopted by the rebellion in order to counter what they regarded as colonial propaganda."

I reiterate my statement...they were trying to rid Jonny Foreigner from there country....only they used different methods

what are your opinions on the way the EU keeps Africans poor and starving? In particular Germany? when it comes to Europeans reaping benefits from other countries the English lead the way

How so?"

Your average brexiter just doesn't want immigrants in .But many I have spoken to feel the UK citizens can go anywhere because they think themselves a superior race ..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Your average brexiter just doesn't want immigrants in .But many I have spoken to feel the UK citizens can go anywhere because they think themselves a superior race .."

now this will be interesting, describe exactly what is "your average brexiter"

.

now where is the popcorn

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

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" Your average brexiter just doesn't want immigrants in .But many I have spoken to feel the UK citizens can go anywhere because they think themselves a superior race ..

now this will be interesting, describe exactly what is "your average brexiter"

.

now where is the popcorn"

some one who voted out based not on one single fact or even what out will be.

Someone who believes their superior to other nations and yet still fear that immigration will destroy their country's values..

Someone who thinks it matters that its the EU telling to clean our seas and beaches instead of our lazy government ..

Sound familiar? Or do you believe you are above average

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

My non EU wife and i voted out, becasue we did not want 19 unelected men making laws for us behind closed doors in secret,that's the crux of the matter nothing to do with economics, and yes migrants are welcome BUT who we let in is Our decision not these unelected men's idea of who is welcome in Our Country.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


" Your average brexiter just doesn't want immigrants in .But many I have spoken to feel the UK citizens can go anywhere because they think themselves a superior race ..

now this will be interesting, describe exactly what is "your average brexiter"

.

now where is the popcorn some one who voted out based not on one single fact or even what out will be.

Someone who believes their superior to other nations and yet still fear that immigration will destroy their country's values..

Someone who thinks it matters that its the EU telling to clean our seas and beaches instead of our lazy government ..

Sound familiar? Or do you believe you are above average "

our seas!! but its okay for France to carry out nuclear testing in south pacific as long as its not ours,

sorry I honestly do not think to could define an average voter regardless of in or out vote

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

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" Your average brexiter just doesn't want immigrants in .But many I have spoken to feel the UK citizens can go anywhere because they think themselves a superior race ..

now this will be interesting, describe exactly what is "your average brexiter"

.

now where is the popcorn some one who voted out based not on one single fact or even what out will be.

Someone who believes their superior to other nations and yet still fear that immigration will destroy their country's values..

Someone who thinks it matters that its the EU telling to clean our seas and beaches instead of our lazy government ..

Sound familiar? Or do you believe you are above average

our seas!! but its okay for France to carry out nuclear testing in south pacific as long as its not ours,

sorry I honestly do not think to could define an average voter regardless of in or out vote"

out voters were consumed by fear of immigration on here and social media .a vote for out was i believe a vote for not in the way we were ..

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Our vote was decided by research,

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By *horehouseCouple  over a year ago

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"Our vote was decided by research,"

Must have been a in vote then as no offer of what out may be was on the table just fanciful dreams and pledges and we all know from past forty years or so British government rarely if ever delivers on those ..

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By *ngel n tedCouple  over a year ago

maidstone

I voted out because i've just renewed my memberships to the national socialist party and the aryan brotherhood, not to mention the time it took to do the fancy embroidery on my clan outfit.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"I voted out because i've just renewed my memberships to the national socialist party and the aryan brotherhood, not to mention the time it took to do the fancy embroidery on my clan outfit."

I voted out just to piss off British people living in other EU Countries

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Thank fuck we're not yet as bad as those being shown in United States of Hate: Muslims Under Attack on BBC1 now.

Horrible!

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago

news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest"

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations. "

.

Where's that story?.

I can only find something about a "possible" retweet of "the UK is full of foreigners" which she's denied.

I did find a story about a black woman rapper who used racist homophobic language on Twitter...

Maybe some folks would be better off sorting out her first?...

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By (user no longer on site) OP     over a year ago


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations. .

Where's that story?.

I can only find something about a "possible" retweet of "the UK is full of foreigners" which she's denied.

I did find a story about a black woman rapper who used racist homophobic language on Twitter...

Maybe some folks would be better off sorting out her first?..."

That would be Dianne Abbott then

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By *icketysplitsWoman  over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations. .

Where's that story?.

I can only find something about a "possible" retweet of "the UK is full of foreigners" which she's denied.

I did find a story about a black woman rapper who used racist homophobic language on Twitter...

Maybe some folks would be better off sorting out her first?..."

One doesn't negate the other. If true, both are bad.

Why is it always a competition to try and score a point that a black person can be racist too?

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By *its_n_piecesCouple  over a year ago


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations. .

Where's that story?.

I can only find something about a "possible" retweet of "the UK is full of foreigners" which she's denied.

I did find a story about a black woman rapper who used racist homophobic language on Twitter...

Maybe some folks would be better off sorting out her first?..."

i think it would be better off to sort them both out along with all other racists, defenders of racism and appologists of racism in equal measure.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Always good to see the Racist-Finder in Chief keeping us all honest ....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Our vote was decided by research,

Must have been a in vote then as no offer of what out may be was on the table just fanciful dreams and pledges and we all know from past forty years or so British government rarely if ever delivers on those .. "

No voted out as said in previous thread,

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations. .

Where's that story?.

I can only find something about a "possible" retweet of "the UK is full of foreigners" which she's denied.

I did find a story about a black woman rapper who used racist homophobic language on Twitter...

Maybe some folks would be better off sorting out her first?...

i think it would be better off to sort them both out along with all other racists, defenders of racism and appologists of racism in equal measure."

.

Yeah I fully agree.

The trouble with liberals is they find hard criticising anyone who's not white

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By *iss_tressWoman  over a year ago

London


"news reports are saying questionable racist twitter activity from Andrea Leadsomes twitter account which has been deleted but not before being screen grabbed and verified .... i'm not surprised to be honest

I really hope not. We stand no chance if the people hoping to lead the country can't even manage to keep it to their private conversations. .

Where's that story?.

I can only find something about a "possible" retweet of "the UK is full of foreigners" which she's denied.

I did find a story about a black woman rapper who used racist homophobic language on Twitter...

Maybe some folks would be better off sorting out her first?..."

Personally the tweeting of a nonentity American rapper who bleaches her skin is of no consequence to me. She's racist, homophobic and islamaphobic and her opinions won't impact on my life.

Those of a potential prime minister on the other hand...

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