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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull"
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not "
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while "
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!! |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!"
Here's a fact if life in the UK was so fucking great why did you move to fuerteventura which by the way is not in the eu |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!
Here's a fact if life in the UK was so fucking great why did you move to fuerteventura which by the way is not in the eu"
wow geography for you we are an archipelago of Spain we have special status within the EU ..spain EU member therefore as Spain has sovereignty over the islands so we are part of the European union ....but not on the continent of Europe..please show where I ever said Britain was so fuck**g great ..as an island is good but its the attitude of many of its citizens I don't like
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!
Here's a fact if life in the UK was so fucking great why did you move to fuerteventura which by the way is not in the eu
wow geography for you we are an archipelago of Spain we have special status within the EU ..spain EU member therefore as Spain has sovereignty over the islands so we are part of the European union ....but not on the continent of Europe..please show where I ever said Britain was so fuck**g great ..as an island is good but its the attitude of many of its citizens I don't like
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I know exactly where you are and you are not an arcipelago off Spain your off the African coast I lived and worked in ten rife and my sister still lives on lanzarote and although you use the euro as that is Spain currency the canaries are officially not part of the eu hence you are duty free
Also if you agree that life isn't a bed of roses here why would you be shocked that people voted for change |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!
Here's a fact if life in the UK was so fucking great why did you move to fuerteventura which by the way is not in the eu
wow geography for you we are an archipelago of Spain we have special status within the EU ..spain EU member therefore as Spain has sovereignty over the islands so we are part of the European union ....but not on the continent of Europe..please show where I ever said Britain was so fuck**g great ..as an island is good but its the attitude of many of its citizens I don't like
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I know exactly where you are and you are not an arcipelago off Spain your off the African coast I lived and worked in ten rife and my sister still lives on lanzarote and although you use the euro as that is Spain currency the canaries are officially not part of the eu hence you are duty free
Also if you agree that life isn't a bed of roses here why would you be shocked that people voted for change"
Wow even you sister doesn't know she lives in the EU
Canary IslandsEdit
The Canary Islands are a Spanish archipelago off the African coast which forms one of the Spanish Autonomous Communities, thus having the status of being part of Spanish territory. They are outside the European Union Value Added Tax Area.[5] The Canary Islands are the most populated and economically strongest territory of all the outermost regions in the European Union. The outermost regions office for support and information is located in these islands, in the city of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (Gran Canaria).
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!
Here's a fact if life in the UK was so fucking great why did you move to fuerteventura which by the way is not in the eu
wow geography for you we are an archipelago of Spain we have special status within the EU ..spain EU member therefore as Spain has sovereignty over the islands so we are part of the European union ....but not on the continent of Europe..please show where I ever said Britain was so fuck**g great ..as an island is good but its the attitude of many of its citizens I don't like
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I know exactly where you are and you are not an arcipelago off Spain your off the African coast I lived and worked in ten rife and my sister still lives on lanzarote and although you use the euro as that is Spain currency the canaries are officially not part of the eu hence you are duty free
Also if you agree that life isn't a bed of roses here why would you be shocked that people voted for change
Wow even you sister doesn't know she lives in the EU
Canary IslandsEdit
The Canary Islands are a Spanish archipelago off the African coast which forms one of the Spanish Autonomous Communities, thus having the status of being part of Spanish territory. They are outside the European Union Value Added Tax Area.[5] The Canary Islands are the most populated and economically strongest territory of all the outermost regions in the European Union. The outermost regions office for support and information is located in these islands, in the city of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (Gran Canaria).
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Economically strongest? With 33% unemployment? Blimey, says a lot for the EU |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!
Here's a fact if life in the UK was so fucking great why did you move to fuerteventura which by the way is not in the eu
wow geography for you we are an archipelago of Spain we have special status within the EU ..spain EU member therefore as Spain has sovereignty over the islands so we are part of the European union ....but not on the continent of Europe..please show where I ever said Britain was so fuck**g great ..as an island is good but its the attitude of many of its citizens I don't like
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I know exactly where you are and you are not an arcipelago off Spain your off the African coast I lived and worked in ten rife and my sister still lives on lanzarote and although you use the euro as that is Spain currency the canaries are officially not part of the eu hence you are duty free
Also if you agree that life isn't a bed of roses here why would you be shocked that people voted for change
Wow even you sister doesn't know she lives in the EU
Canary IslandsEdit
The Canary Islands are a Spanish archipelago off the African coast which forms one of the Spanish Autonomous Communities, thus having the status of being part of Spanish territory. They are outside the European Union Value Added Tax Area.[5] The Canary Islands are the most populated and economically strongest territory of all the outermost regions in the European Union. The outermost regions office for support and information is located in these islands, in the city of Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (Gran Canaria).
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Economically strongest? With 33% unemployment? Blimey, says a lot for the EU "
as i have said before dont believe all the figures you read the young lady who took our apartment had only been in 2 days before she found full time work with a contract and work has found both my wife and i with contracts and we wernt looking for work until we had settled in to our new lives |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
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so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted? |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?"
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more. |
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I know exactly where you are and you are not an arcipelago off Spain your off the African coast I lived and worked in ten rife and my sister still lives on lanzarote and although you use the euro as that is Spain currency the canaries are officially not part of the eu hence you are duty free
Also if you agree that life isn't a bed of roses here why would you be shocked that people voted for change"
What age is your sister? is she single? does she surf?
where in Lanzarotte is she? |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more."
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question. |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question. "
Some/ several people may have. But not all. |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
Some/ several people may have. But not all."
Maybe they voted leave on the bullshit fear about turkey.. no nation has joined the EU then the UK has mass immigration from that country .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
Some/ several people may have. But not all.
Maybe they voted leave on the bullshit fear about turkey.. no nation has joined the EU then the UK has mass immigration from that country .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
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Maybe some people did. Maybe they didn't. Who knows.
But I do is being angry isn't good for your karma. You need to relax and take a chill pill. |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question. "
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one. |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one."
You're not but no one will believe you. I just go with the flow and humour them now. It's quite entertaining. |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
You're not but no one will believe you. I just go with the flow and humour them now. It's quite entertaining."
So would immigration play a part in a future deal with the Eu for you like say a Norway type deal?
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
You're not but no one will believe you. I just go with the flow and humour them now. It's quite entertaining.
So would immigration play a part in a future deal with the Eu for you like say a Norway type deal?
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To be honest, the immigration issue isn't important to me at all and I am quite happy for our borders to remain open for EU residents. |
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I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one."
I'm sure you weren't... Similarly Galloway and most likely Corbyn also voted leave and I'm sure immigration wasn't the main reason for them either...
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
You're not but no one will believe you. I just go with the flow and humour them now. It's quite entertaining.
So would immigration play a part in a future deal with the Eu for you like say a Norway type deal?
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Depends. Would you be allowed in 
Being serious though. We've always had immigration and always will. Imigration is good provided you get people willing to work and contribute.
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I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
I'm sure you weren't... Similarly Galloway and most likely Corbyn also voted leave and I'm sure immigration wasn't the main reason for them either...
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So would the immigration issue stop you thinking a Norway type deal was no good for the UK? |
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I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
I'm sure you weren't... Similarly Galloway and most likely Corbyn also voted leave and I'm sure immigration wasn't the main reason for them either...
So would the immigration issue stop you thinking a Norway type deal was no good for the UK?"
I would prefer a UK specific deal. |
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I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
I'm sure you weren't... Similarly Galloway and most likely Corbyn also voted leave and I'm sure immigration wasn't the main reason for them either...
So would the immigration issue stop you thinking a Norway type deal was no good for the UK?
I would prefer a UK specific deal."
It would be the . tories will repackage it rebrand it UK specific.and sell it to the great British public |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
You're not but no one will believe you. I just go with the flow and humour them now. It's quite entertaining."
I know what you mean. Being called a leftie luvvie wanting to give comfort and succour to every nation because I voted remain. I don't but if it makes others happy to think that, it's all good. |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not so, did this program explain why there was such a vote to exit? Why i voted?
Didn't explain why I voted, but the BBC wanted to base it all on imigration to try and divide the population even more.
Is that possibly because a huge amount of people voted leave based on their frustrations at the UK immigration levels and the possibility of half of Turkey coming over once they gain EU membership.
I'm not defending the BBC I think it's an awful organisation at best, just asking a question.
I voted to leave. Immigration did not play a part in my decision. I can't be the only one.
You're not but no one will believe you. I just go with the flow and humour them now. It's quite entertaining.
I know what you mean. Being called a leftie luvvie wanting to give comfort and succour to every nation because I voted remain. I don't but if it makes others happy to think that, it's all good. "
Being called a leftie lovvie is a huge compliment on here ..i voted remain and cant print what others on here call me ..but I don't live my life by what others think of me ..amd if you're a leftie lovvie I think its sweet .. |
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Some folks forget that lefties also voted 'Leave'..... And why the Labour Party is in terminal decline thanks to Corbyn's hypocrisy .. Still never mind. UKIP II will hoover up those Labour votes .. |
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"Some folks forget that lefties also voted 'Leave'..... And why the Labour Party is in terminal decline thanks to Corbyn's hypocrisy .. Still never mind. UKIP II will hoover up those Labour votes .."
Thought it would be disbanded after brexit so Arron banks could build a new party out of the ashes ..one that wasn't tainted by racism sexism homophobia and other issue UKIP has been tainted with .. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Although immigration wasn't key to some leave voters, it was key to others.
Brexit was a broad church that encompassed a lot of people with differing visions of what Brexit would actually look like, so even some of the people who voted Brexit will be upset, as well as the Remainers of course. |
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"Although immigration wasn't key to some leave voters, it was key to others.
Brexit was a broad church that encompassed a lot of people with differing visions of what Brexit would actually look like, so even some of the people who voted Brexit will be upset, as well as the Remainers of course."
As was Remain. It is the problem when you ask a yes or no question. It is an intrinsic issue that then you are faced with a "But why did they" and "What do they mean?" reaction. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Although immigration wasn't key to some leave voters, it was key to others.
Brexit was a broad church that encompassed a lot of people with differing visions of what Brexit would actually look like, so even some of the people who voted Brexit will be upset, as well as the Remainers of course.
As was Remain. It is the problem when you ask a yes or no question. It is an intrinsic issue that then you are faced with a "But why did they" and "What do they mean?" reaction."
But Remainers would have been happy to remain. |
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"http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/36700018.
That's an interesting read"
It is an interesting read indeed. One of the staff out things that I've heard from people and read is that a hell of a lot of people who voted out are on benifits and blame immergration on cuts to them and they cannot work because all the forginers are taking the jobs and driving down the wages, what I see in reality is companies who are more interested in profit than staff satisfaction and will only pay minimum wage. As for housing lots of the social housing were sold off in the 80s & 90s to residents a lot being immergrants themselves who then proceeded in renting them to other immergrants, there was very little social housing re-built after than hence the lack of social housing. |
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" .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
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Speaking of bullshit there are now about 250,000 Romanians and Bulgarians living in the UK. And EU-groveller Cameron refused four times in one interview to answer whether Britain would veto Erdogan's fascist state application for membership of the EU, this while his police beat party revellers during Ramadan and he slaughters members of his Kurdish population. Brits in Fuerteventura should wear hats and keep out of the sun. |
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" Thought it would be disbanded after brexit so Arron banks could build a new party out of the ashes ..one that wasn't tainted by racism sexism homophobia and other issue UKIP has been tainted with"
UKIP has not been tainted with any of that. It has been PAINTED as those things by people who deliberately reach for those cards when they have lost the argument or haven't got the brains to work out wanting your country's sovereignty back and wanting to control ALL immigration is not racist in any way. It is also neither homophobic or sexist. |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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Just watching the programme now, it seems as though immigration was very high on the list of concerns.
I wonder how immigration will actually change, will we stop free movement of labour, or we will end up with an agreement that still has free movement of labour? |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Just watching the programme now, it seems as though immigration was very high on the list of concerns.
I wonder how immigration will actually change, will we stop free movement of labour, or we will end up with an agreement that still has free movement of labour? "
Unless the economy tanks, economically driven immigration will have to continue in order to support the demand for workers. |
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By *LCCCouple
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"Just watching the programme now, it seems as though immigration was very high on the list of concerns.
I wonder how immigration will actually change, will we stop free movement of labour, or we will end up with an agreement that still has free movement of labour?
Unless the economy tanks, economically driven immigration will have to continue in order to support the demand for workers."
So if you voted to leave to limit/stop immigration, and it doesn't decrease/stop, then what? |
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"would this be from the oh so independent BBC guess what it says? are we we all thick racists? Or was it a protest vote unless they ask all 17.5 million its just more bull
a reply from a not so biased brexiter ? Possibly not
And youre not biased at all, strange how you know how life is here yet dont live here and havent for a good while
What 10 months living here and been back to conclude business 3 times in that period ..so yes I think I know life in the UK as well as you if not better having lived from the was coast to the west coast of wales ..yet again an uniformed poster check your facts !!!!! Oh no that's right brexiters dont understand the concept of facts !!!!!!"
or of "economist" lol |
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" .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
Speaking of bullshit there are now about 250,000 Romanians and Bulgarians living in the UK. And EU-groveller Cameron refused four times in one interview to answer whether Britain would veto Erdogan's fascist state application for membership of the EU, this while his police beat party revellers during Ramadan and he slaughters members of his Kurdish population. Brits in Fuerteventura should wear hats and keep out of the sun. "
we are getting 10 000s of refugees each month from Near east and Lybia for wars you did along with USA and you gov offered use ONE (i repeat ONE) ship of all your glorious British navy to help us in the mediterranean in order to avoid them drowning in 100s. and you complain about Romaninan and Bulgarians? lol the British in Spain will be treated as extracomunitarians lol |
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"Just watching the programme now, it seems as though immigration was very high on the list of concerns.
I wonder how immigration will actually change, will we stop free movement of labour, or we will end up with an agreement that still has free movement of labour? "
Can I gently suggest it wasn't immigration as such it was the feeling we had no control over the numbers, the skills (or none) and the inability to plan for numbers here.
As to EU negotiations all I will offer is that no other country outside the EU has been forced to have Freedom of Movement to be allowed to trade with the EU. Some may have agreed to it like Norway and Switzerland but that was their choice. The USA, Canada, even Iceland do not have to accept that and neither must we. That is why I worry that Theresa May will become PM and she totally failed to control non-EU migration when she had the power so to do.
No one in Vote Leave said immigration will end. Quite the opposite. The message was that a) we assess what skills our nation needs, b) we plan the numbers our infrastructure and public services can handle and c) allow the best skilled in within that number.
We need the best doctors, the best engineers and the the best of the best. And now have a global pool of talent open to us. But it is up to us to establish our policies by recognising our needs. We can now welcome a Canadian doctor rather than being forced to discriminate against him / her in favour of an unskilled Romanian unemployed labourer.
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" .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
Speaking of bullshit there are now about 250,000 Romanians and Bulgarians living in the UK. And EU-groveller Cameron refused four times in one interview to answer whether Britain would veto Erdogan's fascist state application for membership of the EU, this while his police beat party revellers during Ramadan and he slaughters members of his Kurdish population. Brits in Fuerteventura should wear hats and keep out of the sun.
we are getting 10 000s of refugees each month from Near east and Lybia for wars you did along with USA and you gov offered use ONE (i repeat ONE) ship of all your glorious British navy to help us in the mediterranean in order to avoid them drowning in 100s. and you complain about Romaninan and Bulgarians? lol the British in Spain will be treated as extracomunitarians lol"
I suspect Mrs Merkel's open armed encouragement for those millions of illegal migrants to come to Germany had more to do with Southern Europe being in the state it is in now than anything else. And who governs you all? The EU my friend and they stood by and did nothing leaving individual countries to put up fences.
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" .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
Speaking of bullshit there are now about 250,000 Romanians and Bulgarians living in the UK. And EU-groveller Cameron refused four times in one interview to answer whether Britain would veto Erdogan's fascist state application for membership of the EU, this while his police beat party revellers during Ramadan and he slaughters members of his Kurdish population. Brits in Fuerteventura should wear hats and keep out of the sun.
we are getting 10 000s of refugees each month from Near east and Lybia for wars you did along with USA and you gov offered use ONE (i repeat ONE) ship of all your glorious British navy to help us in the mediterranean in order to avoid them drowning in 100s. and you complain about Romaninan and Bulgarians? lol the British in Spain will be treated as extracomunitarians lol
I suspect Mrs Merkel's open armed encouragement for those millions of illegal migrants to come to Germany had more to do with Southern Europe being in the state it is in now than anything else. And who governs you all? The EU my friend and they stood by and did nothing leaving individual countries to put up fences.
... Sorry Old Son...."
ah so better leave them die in the sea? lol after you fuckrd up all the defences in Lybya and Syria to get oil lol ? |
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" ah so better leave them die in the sea? lol after you fuckrd up all the defences in Lybya and Syria to get oil lol ? "
Oh dearie me lets distort the conversation. No we do not leave them to drown and the Royal Navy has done more than most in saving lives. The point is had the EU had the balls to say 'come here and you will be sent back' then the people would not have got IN those boats would they? Once they got in those boast they were illegal migrants. Sorry that is UN Law.
As for Libya we stopped Ghaddafi murdering thousands of his own people. If the Libyans can't handle the freedom they inherited that is their problem. And as for Syria? well we did actually vote to stay the hell out of Syria and did so. Go cry to someone else not us. Currently we are attacking Daesh NOT Syria or its people. But yes you can blame us for the Iraq war that created Daesh .... |
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By *LCCCouple
over a year ago
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"Just watching the programme now, it seems as though immigration was very high on the list of concerns.
I wonder how immigration will actually change, will we stop free movement of labour, or we will end up with an agreement that still has free movement of labour?
Can I gently suggest it wasn't immigration as such it was the feeling we had no control over the numbers, the skills (or none) and the inability to plan for numbers here."
That wasn’t the impression that I got from the programme, but everyone will take something different.
"As to EU negotiations all I will offer is that no other country outside the EU has been forced to have Freedom of Movement to be allowed to trade with the EU. Some may have agreed to it like Norway and Switzerland but that was their choice. The USA, Canada, even Iceland do not have to accept that and neither must we. That is why I worry that Theresa May will become PM and she totally failed to control non-EU migration when she had the power so to do. "
I don’t really understand what you are trying to get at with the chose to/forced to thing. It was something that they had to accept if they wanted access to the single market. So its a take it or leave it kind of deal.
The USA etc don’t have to accept freedom of movement no, thats but they have a trade deal, they are not part of the single market. The two are very different things.
"No one in Vote Leave said immigration will end. Quite the opposite. The message was that a) we assess what skills our nation needs, b) we plan the numbers our infrastructure and public services can handle and c) allow the best skilled in within that number. "
The programme wasn’t about talking to the official (or even un-official) campaigns, it was about talking to regular Leave voters. They said that they voted leave to stop immigration. To me it came across as though they wanted to stop it entirely, not even just limit it, but I could be miss remembering it.
"We need the best doctors, the best engineers and the the best of the best. And now have a global pool of talent open to us. But it is up to us to establish our policies by recognising our needs. We can now welcome a Canadian doctor rather than being forced to discriminate against him / her in favour of an unskilled Romanian unemployed labourer.
....cue 'racist' comments from certain quarters ..."
You say that “now” we have a global pool of talent open to us, how has that changed from what we had before? We have immigration from the EU and the rest of the world already. How were we discriminating against a Canadian doctor before? |
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" .. remember how the UK was going to get 300 Bulgarians per hour didn't happen did it just bullshit from a racist party leader ..
Speaking of bullshit there are now about 250,000 Romanians and Bulgarians living in the UK. And EU-groveller Cameron refused four times in one interview to answer whether Britain would veto Erdogan's fascist state application for membership of the EU, this while his police beat party revellers during Ramadan and he slaughters members of his Kurdish population. Brits in Fuerteventura should wear hats and keep out of the sun.
we are getting 10 000s of refugees each month from Near east and Lybia for wars you did along with USA and you gov offered use ONE (i repeat ONE) ship of all your glorious British navy to help us in the mediterranean in order to avoid them drowning in 100s. and you complain about Romaninan and Bulgarians? lol the British in Spain will be treated as extracomunitarians lol"
Who do you mean “We” Britain or the EU? |
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" You say that “now” we have a global pool of talent open to us, how has that changed from what we had before? We have immigration from the EU and the rest of the world already. How were we discriminating against a Canadian doctor before? "
We have limited capacity to take in new migrants. So we have established 'nominal' targets for migration (the 'Tens of thousands' idea which was a total deception). We could not limit EU migration so we had to be harder on non-EU migration which by definition is a bigger pool of skilled labour. So even by percentages we had to take 100% of all labour from the EU but take a very small percentage of the global pool. Hence my use of the word 'discrimination'.
Now we can assess what we need and source it from the best people regardless of where they come from. |
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" You say that “now” we have a global pool of talent open to us, how has that changed from what we had before? We have immigration from the EU and the rest of the world already. How were we discriminating against a Canadian doctor before?
We have limited capacity to take in new migrants. So we have established 'nominal' targets for migration (the 'Tens of thousands' idea which was a total deception). We could not limit EU migration so we had to be harder on non-EU migration which by definition is a bigger pool of skilled labour. So even by percentages we had to take 100% of all labour from the EU but take a very small percentage of the global pool. Hence my use of the word 'discrimination'.
Now we can assess what we need and source it from the best people regardless of where they come from."
So that's why migration to the UK was pretty evenly split between the EU and non EU countries the government never limited the number on migrant comming I'm from outside the EU .are you ever going. To post facts and not fiction to try and substantiate you views ??
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" I don’t really understand what you are trying to get at with the chose to/forced to thing. It was something that they had to accept if they wanted access to the single market. So its a take it or leave it kind of deal."
Well possibly when (like Norway) you export 75% of your exports to the EU and you have a huge trade surplus you feel that price is worth paying. I think the UK is in a completely different scenario both in size and the fact we run a deficit with EU countries. Plus given the Brexit decision there is no way a UK Government can now accept Freedom of Movement (or more accurately 'Labour' as all visitors are always welcome here).
" The USA etc don’t have to accept freedom of movement no, thats but they have a trade deal, they are not part of the single market. The two are very different things. "
And there is the key point surely? They have a trade deal. It is not a 'Free Trade Deal' and neither is it 'access to the Single Market (SM)' and neither do they pay into the EU for the privilege as we did.
the EU 'SM' is a Customs Union. It is not a Free Trade Area because it erects huge Tariffs to 'protect' that SM from external forces. So when we trade with the USA we have to charge a higher duty than they charge us. That restricts trade which is what the EU wants. The 'SM' is an island in a sea of trade and nothing less.
We already have trade agreements all over the world. The only one that is missing is with the EU. And we WILL get a trade deal because the countries that earn so much money from us (£61 Bn more than we bought from them last year) will be pragmatic. Having said that the EU elite will try to be as stupid and blinkered as they have always been but now Mrs Merkel's German taxpayers are picking up a bigger percentage of the EU's bills I know who I will back: BMW, VW, MB, Siemens etc. |
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" You say that “now” we have a global pool of talent open to us, how has that changed from what we had before? We have immigration from the EU and the rest of the world already. How were we discriminating against a Canadian doctor before?
We have limited capacity to take in new migrants. So we have established 'nominal' targets for migration (the 'Tens of thousands' idea which was a total deception). We could not limit EU migration so we had to be harder on non-EU migration which by definition is a bigger pool of skilled labour. So even by percentages we had to take 100% of all labour from the EU but take a very small percentage of the global pool. Hence my use of the word 'discrimination'.
Now we can assess what we need and source it from the best people regardless of where they come from.
So that's why migration to the UK was pretty evenly split between the EU and non EU countries the government never limited the number on migrant comming I'm from outside the EU .are you ever going. To post facts and not fiction to try and substantiate you views ??
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One day you will make a contribution without adding stupid personal digs.
I just laid out the facts. Was I wrong? NO. If so do please publish alternatives. At no time did I mention overall numbers did I? But you jumped straight in and talked numbers.
So what part of the numbers we let in from non-EU countries is a far smaller percentage of the numbers available than those 100% we HAD to allow in from the EU don't you quite understand?
Governments of all persuasions had allowed those numbers to increase unchecked and that will now HAVE to change given the Brexit decision. Failure to act is not a justification for a failed immigration policy... |
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"" ah so better leave them die in the sea? lol after you fuckrd up all the defences in Lybya and Syria to get oil lol ? "
Oh dearie me lets distort the conversation. No we do not leave them to drown and the Royal Navy has done more than most in saving lives. The point is had the EU had the balls to say 'come here and you will be sent back' then the people would not have got IN those boats would they? Once they got in those boast they were illegal migrants. Sorry that is UN Law.
As for Libya we stopped Ghaddafi murdering thousands of his own people. If the Libyans can't handle the freedom they inherited that is their problem. And as for Syria? well we did actually vote to stay the hell out of Syria and did so. Go cry to someone else not us. Currently we are attacking Daesh NOT Syria or its people. But yes you can blame us for the Iraq war that created Daesh ...."
Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
man you crushed countries to lay hand on oil and leave to us refugees. y fucking glorous navy did ZERO got it? ZERO. the only ship saved people from drowning only after we granted they would not have asked asylum in uk. |
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" You say that “now” we have a global pool of talent open to us, how has that changed from what we had before? We have immigration from the EU and the rest of the world already. How were we discriminating against a Canadian doctor before?
We have limited capacity to take in new migrants. So we have established 'nominal' targets for migration (the 'Tens of thousands' idea which was a total deception). We could not limit EU migration so we had to be harder on non-EU migration which by definition is a bigger pool of skilled labour. So even by percentages we had to take 100% of all labour from the EU but take a very small percentage of the global pool. Hence my use of the word 'discrimination'.
Now we can assess what we need and source it from the best people regardless of where they come from.
So that's why migration to the UK was pretty evenly split between the EU and non EU countries the government never limited the number on migrant comming I'm from outside the EU .are you ever going. To post facts and not fiction to try and substantiate you views ??
One day you will make a contribution without adding stupid personal digs.
I just laid out the facts. Was I wrong? NO. If so do please publish alternatives. At no time did I mention overall numbers did I? But you jumped straight in and talked numbers.
So what part of the numbers we let in from non-EU countries is a far smaller percentage of the numbers available than those 100% we HAD to allow in from the EU don't you quite understand?
Governments of all persuasions had allowed those numbers to increase unchecked and that will now HAVE to change given the Brexit decision. Failure to act is not a justification for a failed immigration policy..."
more non EU migrants have been allowed to move to and live in the uk than EU migrants . no non EU migrant has been turned down due to the government limiting numbers .so your comment about stupid personal digs wasn't a stupid personal dig at me then unbelievable your mentality you are peddling an untrue biased view ..as I have said before if you don't like dont read it or reply .. But if you keep peddling poison I will comment ......
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" no non EU migrant has been turned down due to the government limiting numbers .so your comment about stupid personal digs wasn't a stupid personal dig at me then unbelievable your mentality you are peddling an untrue biased view ..as I have said before if you don't like dont read it or reply .. But if you keep peddling poison I will comment ......"
So you have proof 'no non-EU migrant has been turned down'? And again I ask for some FACTS not your personal put downs.
REAL fact 1: The UK cannot refuse entry to any EU migrants (except on grounds of National Security) so the numbers we have here are EVERY one that wished to come here.
REAL fact 2: We have points based system for non-EU migrants unless they are students. So NOT every migrant that wants to come here gets here and so we discriminate against them.
Now as I said before the failure to maintain a policy towards non-EU migrants is not the same as having an open door policy towards EU migrants..
Is that simple and factual enough for you? |
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" no non EU migrant has been turned down due to the government limiting numbers .so your comment about stupid personal digs wasn't a stupid personal dig at me then unbelievable your mentality you are peddling an untrue biased view ..as I have said before if you don't like dont read it or reply .. But if you keep peddling poison I will comment ......
So you have proof 'no non-EU migrant has been turned down'? And again I ask for some FACTS not your personal put downs.
REAL fact 1: The UK cannot refuse entry to any EU migrants (except on grounds of National Security) so the numbers we have here are EVERY one that wished to come here.
REAL fact 2: We have points based system for non-EU migrants unless they are students. So NOT every migrant that wants to come here gets here and so we discriminate against them.
Now as I said before the failure to maintain a policy towards non-EU migrants is not the same as having an open door policy towards EU migrants..
Is that simple and factual enough for you?"
No facts there just you peddling poison again ..you also make no mention of Australian citizens being allowed a British passports to just walk on ..you show no non EU citizen being turned down because an EU citizen is comming in I do realise if you keep telling yourself you have facts you will believe yourself well some of us aren't that naive as i have sais its people like you peddling poison that is continuing to fuel the racist fire .. |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live? "
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything? |
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" no non EU migrant has been turned down due to the government limiting numbers .so your comment about stupid personal digs wasn't a stupid personal dig at me then unbelievable your mentality you are peddling an untrue biased view ..as I have said before if you don't like dont read it or reply .. But if you keep peddling poison I will comment ......
So you have proof 'no non-EU migrant has been turned down'? And again I ask for some FACTS not your personal put downs.
REAL fact 1: The UK cannot refuse entry to any EU migrants (except on grounds of National Security) so the numbers we have here are EVERY one that wished to come here.
REAL fact 2: We have points based system for non-EU migrants unless they are students. So NOT every migrant that wants to come here gets here and so we discriminate against them.
Now as I said before the failure to maintain a policy towards non-EU migrants is not the same as having an open door policy towards EU migrants..
Is that simple and factual enough for you?
No facts there just you peddling poison again ..you also make no mention of Australian citizens being allowed a British passports to just walk on ..you show no non EU citizen being turned down because an EU citizen is comming in I do realise if you keep telling yourself you have facts you will believe yourself well some of us aren't that naive as i have sais its people like you peddling poison that is continuing to fuel the racist fire .."
Done your home work for you these are. Visa"s for non EU citizens ..roughly parallel to EU migrants during the same period
Including dependants and short term visas, there were 171,043 work-related visas granted in the year ending March 2015, up 9% (+14,720) compared with the previous year. The increase was largely accounted for by 13% higher skilled work visas (+10,648) and 26% higher Youth mobility visas (+5,268). |
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"...people like you peddling poison that is continuing to fuel the racist fire ..
How much of this shit do us Brexiters have to keep taking...??"
As much as us remainders do with you carrying on peddling it |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything?"
But you are fundamentally missing the point. If all refugees stayed in Greece, because that is what the law says - then Greece would be overwhelmed and would collapse, thereby bringing a troubled border one country close.
It is not a workable policy to insist that a third party country goes to the wall because they happen to be the closest place that refugees can get to. Europe and the World thankfully do not subscribe to suchlike one dimensional ideas.
This is s world wide problem that needs a world wide response. Hiding from it on the point of a technicality is a bit silly and will only make matters worse, not better. |
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" no non EU migrant has been turned down due to the government limiting numbers .so your comment about stupid personal digs wasn't a stupid personal dig at me then unbelievable your mentality you are peddling an untrue biased view ..as I have said before if you don't like dont read it or reply .. But if you keep peddling poison I will comment ......
So you have proof 'no non-EU migrant has been turned down'? And again I ask for some FACTS not your personal put downs.
REAL fact 1: The UK cannot refuse entry to any EU migrants (except on grounds of National Security) so the numbers we have here are EVERY one that wished to come here.
REAL fact 2: We have points based system for non-EU migrants unless they are students. So NOT every migrant that wants to come here gets here and so we discriminate against them.
Now as I said before the failure to maintain a policy towards non-EU migrants is not the same as having an open door policy towards EU migrants..
Is that simple and factual enough for you?"
On your Real Fact 1: EU immigrants can come if they have a job, or to look for a job, up to a period of 6 months, after that they are not exercising a treaty right, and can be deported.
On Read Fact 2: There are many visa types that are not points based, visitors visa, finance visa, family visas, entrepreneurs visa, investor visa, exceptional talent visa to name but a few.
If we stick with your example of a Canadian Dr, there is no reason to think that they currently would fail the points based system, but would pass a system in the future. IF we had a hard limit of immigration, lets say 100,000 people per year just for arguments sake, and your Dr was applicant 100,001, then perhaps he might get turned away. But as another poster has mentioned, we don’t have a hard limit for the amount of immigration, so there is no reason why your Dr would be turned away. |
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" no non EU migrant has been turned down due to the government limiting numbers .so your comment about stupid personal digs wasn't a stupid personal dig at me then unbelievable your mentality you are peddling an untrue biased view ..as I have said before if you don't like dont read it or reply .. But if you keep peddling poison I will comment ......
So you have proof 'no non-EU migrant has been turned down'? And again I ask for some FACTS not your personal put downs.
REAL fact 1: The UK cannot refuse entry to any EU migrants (except on grounds of National Security) so the numbers we have here are EVERY one that wished to come here.
REAL fact 2: We have points based system for non-EU migrants unless they are students. So NOT every migrant that wants to come here gets here and so we discriminate against them.
Now as I said before the failure to maintain a policy towards non-EU migrants is not the same as having an open door policy towards EU migrants..
Is that simple and factual enough for you?"
The above reason is why most of the Asian and African people I know voted to leave. However, some are now wondering what they did as the rise in racist abuse/attack is alarming as some people genuinely believe brexit equates to the stoppage/removal of anyone foreign. |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything?
But you are fundamentally missing the point. If all refugees stayed in Greece, because that is what the law says - then Greece would be overwhelmed and would collapse, thereby bringing a troubled border one country close.
It is not a workable policy to insist that a third party country goes to the wall because they happen to be the closest place that refugees can get to. Europe and the World thankfully do not subscribe to suchlike one dimensional ideas.
This is s world wide problem that needs a world wide response. Hiding from it on the point of a technicality is a bit silly and will only make matters worse, not better."
I don’t often agree with HornyAs2016, but he is generally right on this point. Legally, the asylum seeker should seek asylum in the first safe country that they get to. They can then be processed, and possibly granted refugee status.
Too Hot, I do take your point that it is unfair on those countries on the periphery of the EU, and thats why I think by agreement of both the refugees and other EU countries, the burden of protection of these vulnerable people should be shared across the EU.
It should also be remembered that the majority of Syrian refugees are in Lebanon (1m+) Iraq (250k), Turkey (2.6m), Jordan (630k) and Egypt (118K).
Lots of people in the UK are upset with immigration, but in Lebanon 1 in 5 people is a Syrian refugee. Thats 20% of the total population. Thats HUGE, and they are a hell of a lot poorer country that we are. |
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" But you are fundamentally missing the point. If all refugees stayed in Greece, because that is what the law says - then Greece would be overwhelmed and would collapse, thereby bringing a troubled border one country close.
It is not a workable policy to insist that a third party country goes to the wall because they happen to be the closest place that refugees can get to. Europe and the World thankfully do not subscribe to suchlike one dimensional ideas.
This is s world wide problem that needs a world wide response. Hiding from it on the point of a technicality is a bit silly and will only make matters worse, not better. "
Hang on a sec here. I was explaining the law on refugee status to someone who seemed unaware of that law. The UNHCR lays down the rules not me or the EU or the UK. And for those refugees / migrants to even be IN Greece is actually unlawful. (except for one example). I was not saying Greece should carry the burden alone was I? You have implied that not me. And it comes back to the inadequacies of the EU. Greece is a bankrupted country because of the euro fiasco anyway. But the EU has the funds to set up reception camps, officials and to manage the crisis and NOT leave it to the Greeks and Italians. But that is precisely what they did and then the migrants were told to wander all over Europe....
Now was Merkel right to encourage millions to make that dangerous crossing and give the traffickers a way of making money? I don't think so. And now we have a major migrant crisis in Europe thanks to the inadequacies of EU Border controls and an inability to take quick action. I suspect most of the Southern and Balkan countries will agree with me. And we have the example right on our doorstep. Calais is rife with illegal migrants breaking the law to get across to the UK to take advantage of our welfare system. What is wrong with the French welfare System? Or the Italian or the Spanish one?
It sounds harsh but the UNHCR has these rules for very good reasons. I was simply explaining them not saying the fallout is a good thing. |
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Apparently 75% of 18-25 yr olds (of the 30% that bothered to get off their ass) voted remain. "Thick people" voted Brexut.
I have odd children...... The two older ones voted remain. The youngest [22 and just gained an M.Sc in chemistry from Manchester] voted brexit. Yes she is a student. Yes she registered to vote, online in plenty of time. No excuses about it being "hard" to register.
If you are on Facebook etc...open a new window on the register to vote page...take about 30 seconds, do it.
I blame the Brexit on bone idle youth of this country. Their future and they couldn't be arsed to influence it.....so no right to complain at the result. |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything?"
ok u are stupid. I was speaking of the fact that they must be saved you cannot reject them. and the south countries are getting masses of refugees because of the was your oil companies created. So dear genius the situation is collaborate to save them or let 1000s die in the sea. now when they land in Italy they land in the Eu a place they can travel through because there are no frontiers. It is a huge problem and u decided not to help other countries with these energency u created . |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything?
ok u are stupid. I was speaking of the fact that they must be saved you cannot reject them. and the south countries are getting masses of refugees because of the was your oil companies created. So dear genius the situation is collaborate to save them or let 1000s die in the sea. now when they land in Italy they land in the Eu a place they can travel through because there are no frontiers. It is a huge problem and u decided not to help other countries with these energency u created ."
despite my trying to clarify matters you just failed to understand how International Law affects how the UNHCR has to work and how law abiding countries are obliged to work. You confuse 'refugees' with 'illegal migrants'. What the EU should have done is tell the people not to come and many thousands would not have drowned.
Remember that little boy's body found on a beach? His family were registered refugees living safely in Turkey under UNHCR rules but they borrowed money from Canadian relatives to pay the traffickers to get illegally into the EU via Greece. That little boy should still be alive today and living in Turkey or wherever else the family could legally apply to live.
yes you can point the finger at the UK over Iraq but not over Syria or anywhere else in the Middle East. And certainly not about any oil. We got diddley squat out of Iraq except dead bodies and damaged men and women. The people to blame are across the Atlantic Old Son ... |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything?
ok u are stupid. I was speaking of the fact that they must be saved you cannot reject them. and the south countries are getting masses of refugees because of the was your oil companies created. So dear genius the situation is collaborate to save them or let 1000s die in the sea. now when they land in Italy they land in the Eu a place they can travel through because there are no frontiers. It is a huge problem and u decided not to help other countries with these energency u created .
despite my trying to clarify matters you just failed to understand how International Law affects how the UNHCR has to work and how law abiding countries are obliged to work. You confuse 'refugees' with 'illegal migrants'. What the EU should have done is tell the people not to come and many thousands would not have drowned.
Remember that little boy's body found on a beach? His family were registered refugees living safely in Turkey under UNHCR rules but they borrowed money from Canadian relatives to pay the traffickers to get illegally into the EU via Greece. That little boy should still be alive today and living in Turkey or wherever else the family could legally apply to live.
yes you can point the finger at the UK over Iraq but not over Syria or anywhere else in the Middle East. And certainly not about any oil. We got diddley squat out of Iraq except dead bodies and damaged men and women. The people to blame are across the Atlantic Old Son ..."
"What the EU should have done is tell the people not to come and many thousands would not have drowned"
ahhaah you are so stupid lol
tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
tell them to stay home under the bombings in Haleb If you go to Italy there are refugees in every town main square u can go and ask them why they fled. ahahahah
aaaahahh you know how mani mioons of refugees live in Turkey and how they live? aahahah yes USA are to blame not Blair ? lol and who wanted to destabilize Lybia? u did! and now the shit is ours . |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol "
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ... |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ..."
oh they have the list of countries they can go very interesting lol do they know the list? lol Greece it's still Eu borders i'm not any Uk i'm agaist people like you wo live in their own egoistic world. |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ...
oh they have the list of countries they can go very interesting lol do they know the list? lol Greece it's still Eu borders i'm not any Uk i'm agaist people like you wo live in their own egoistic world. "
Quite what is it about UN and International Law that you are struggling to understand? Making it a personal thing doe not improve your argument. |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ...
oh they have the list of countries they can go very interesting lol do they know the list? lol Greece it's still Eu borders i'm not any Uk i'm agaist people like you wo live in their own egoistic world.
Quite what is it about UN and International Law that you are struggling to understand? Making it a personal thing doe not improve your argument."
UN makes no laws. establish who is entitled to protection and Asylum no matter where he is. As Eu all countries worked to face emergency. u did not. facts. Or you pretend is only an Italian/Spanish/Greek problem? No help ? ok no privileges no common marjet nothing. now get out asap. it it was for me i would let u out of everything- like a state of USA as u already are. |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ..."
You're quite right there are two sets of rules on this forum one for those who continually get away with posting lies bullshit and hatred oh and poison peddling . And a different set those who protest against it and get chastised .. |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ...
You're quite right there are two sets of rules on this forum one for those who continually get away with posting lies bullshit and hatred oh and poison peddling . And a different set those who protest against it and get chastised .."
You will never learn will you ..?? |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ...
You're quite right there are two sets of rules on this forum one for those who continually get away with posting lies bullshit and hatred oh and poison peddling . And a different set those who protest against it and get chastised ..
You will never learn will you ..??"
WHAT the forum isn't rum by you is it ? |
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" Are you stupid or simply ignorant? do you know that refugees have the right to be saved? that's UN law. if they flee from war Eu has to take care of them. where the hell do you live?
You show little knowledge of UN law on Asylum and therefore refugees. When fleeing from danger a person must present themselves at the First Country of Save Refuge. That person is obliged then to claim Asylum there and nowhere else. The country they claim Asylum in is then obliged to take care of them and keep them safe.
Sorry but the EU as a body is NOT obliged under any UN Law at all Old Son. Except under one possible event no EU country is a First Country of Safe Refuge. And landing in Greece or Italy and then walking off across Europe is totally illegal. They must ALL claim asylum in Greece or Italy who must then decide on Asylum but take care of them but the migrants must prove they have not passed through an earlier Country of Safe Refuge. THAT my friend us the convention under the UNHCR. Try reading it sometime and get off your emotional high horse.
And I live in the UK. So your point IS exactly? And what has it to do with anything?
ok u are stupid. I was speaking of the fact that they must be saved you cannot reject them. and the south countries are getting masses of refugees because of the was your oil companies created. So dear genius the situation is collaborate to save them or let 1000s die in the sea. now when they land in Italy they land in the Eu a place they can travel through because there are no frontiers. It is a huge problem and u decided not to help other countries with these energency u created .
despite my trying to clarify matters you just failed to understand how International Law affects how the UNHCR has to work and how law abiding countries are obliged to work. You confuse 'refugees' with 'illegal migrants'. What the EU should have done is tell the people not to come and many thousands would not have drowned.
Remember that little boy's body found on a beach? His family were registered refugees living safely in Turkey under UNHCR rules but they borrowed money from Canadian relatives to pay the traffickers to get illegally into the EU via Greece. That little boy should still be alive today and living in Turkey or wherever else the family could legally apply to live.
yes you can point the finger at the UK over Iraq but not over Syria or anywhere else in the Middle East. And certainly not about any oil. We got diddley squat out of Iraq except dead bodies and damaged men and women. The people to blame are across the Atlantic Old Son ...
"What the EU should have done is tell the people not to come and many thousands would not have drowned"
ahhaah you are so stupid lol
tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
tell them to stay home under the bombings in Haleb If you go to Italy there are refugees in every town main square u can go and ask them why they fled. ahahahah
aaaahahh you know how mani mioons of refugees live in Turkey and how they live? aahahah yes USA are to blame not Blair ? lol and who wanted to destabilize Lybia? u did! and now the shit is ours . "
I am not sure of the point you are making.
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ...
You're quite right there are two sets of rules on this forum one for those who continually get away with posting lies bullshit and hatred oh and poison peddling . And a different set those who protest against it and get chastised ..
You will never learn will you ..??
WHAT the forum isn't rum by you is it ?"
Did I say that? Nope.... Just an observation.... |
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" tell Syrian refugees not to flee infront of ISIS killing squads ahahhahaha u are such a moron lol
Firstly do be careful who you call a 'moron'. There are rules in this Forum Old Son ....
I am all for Syrians fleeing the war there. And they have various 'First Countries of Safe Refuge' to go to. Like Turkey for example but I don't think the UK is one of them although in one exception Greece could be.
Don't let International Law get in the way of your anti-UK attitudes though ...
You're quite right there are two sets of rules on this forum one for those who continually get away with posting lies bullshit and hatred oh and poison peddling . And a different set those who protest against it and get chastised ..
You will never learn will you ..??
WHAT the forum isn't rum by you is it ?
Did I say that? Nope.... Just an observation...."
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