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Referendums...a path to unrest ?
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I have now been through two referendums in a few years. Both have split the country and left bitterness in there wake........Is it not time the politicians did what they are paid for and put there ideas in the party manifesto, letting us vote accordingly. x |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I would say the vast majority, on both sides...........just to say i am not upset with either result in the respective referendums , but it has not been pleasant in Scotland ever since, bitterness is still dividing friends, fellow workers etc |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have now been through two referendums in a few years. Both have split the country and left bitterness in there wake........Is it not time the politicians did what they are paid for and put there ideas in the party manifesto, letting us vote accordingly. x"
Yes. It's called parliamentary documentary - we appear to be abandoning it at present. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Referendums are something which are fine in principle, but in reality are nuts.
Most people don't vote on facts. However most people don't know what they don't know. As is seen on here, everyone is an expert, but most times have taken up an entrenched view and then,deliberately or not, bend the facts to suit that position.
Parliament should be the ones who make the important decisions, but unfortunatey the public have rightly lost confidence in them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"who's pissed off?
will ask you that when a brexit deal is done "
whether a good or bad deal, I have worked hard and there is very little except health that can change my lifestyle & living now, that includes leaving the EU
If anything, I actually feel better now that we have left, shows that we can hold our head up high |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Unfortunately..."The i am alright Jack" mentality is alive and well with some people. This is what causes division and makes some people appear less than enlightened. |
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"Referendums are something which are fine in principle, but in reality are nuts.
Most people don't vote on facts. However most people don't know what they don't know. As is seen on here, everyone is an expert, but most times have taken up an entrenched view and then,deliberately or not, bend the facts to suit that position.
Parliament should be the ones who make the important decisions, but unfortunatey the public have rightly lost confidence in them. "
Most sensible post I've read on here in a while.  |
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"Unfortunately..."The i am alright Jack" mentality is alive and well with some people. This is what causes division and makes some people appear less than enlightened."
Thing is for some of us it was "I'm alright Jack, but it could be for you too" and voted accordingly, for those you were trying to help turn round and vote to make their lives worst!
"Those types" will be the ones bleating the most and attacking Mr Patel's corner shop because their lives haven't improved whilst Mr Patel is still on business. |
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"who's pissed off?
will ask you that when a brexit deal is done
whether a good or bad deal, I have worked hard and there is very little except health that can change my lifestyle & living now, that includes leaving the EU
If anything, I actually feel better now that we have left, shows that we can hold our head up high"
Look at the news we havnt left we are still part of the EU still enjoying all the benefits it gives us and so are the rest of the EU enjoying all the benefits including freedom of movement to the UK .so its only in your mind anything has changed on the EU but if having a new leader of the Tory party makes you happy that's good |
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"Referendums are something which are fine in principle, but in reality are nuts.
Most people don't vote on facts. However most people don't know what they don't know. As is seen on here, everyone is an expert, but most times have taken up an entrenched view and then,deliberately or not, bend the facts to suit that position.
Parliament should be the ones who make the important decisions, but unfortunatey the public have rightly lost confidence in them.
Most sensible post I've read on here in a while. "
Indeed |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have now been through two referendums in a few years. Both have split the country"
When was the country united? There was a north / south divide long before these referendums came around. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Well i did notice that the north of England and the south east of England were very much united.So it is not as simple as north/south splits. But i have always felt we came together as a country and felt a common bond.Now i feel that bond is being sorely tested and will be further in the years to come. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well i did notice that the north of England and the south east of England were very much united.So it is not as simple as north/south splits."
North voted leave, South East contains London which voted remain!
The South West voted to leave but that's conservative / lib Dem country and has no similarity with the north in general elections |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have now been through two referendums in a few years. Both have split the country and left bitterness in there wake........Is it not time the politicians did what they are paid for and put there ideas in the party manifesto, letting us vote accordingly. x"
Yes, the scottish one wasn't too bad but the eu one has just stirred it all up |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Sorry to disillusion you but the Scottish referendum was pure poison. My two neighbours cars were vandalised for having the "wrong" bumper stickers. .....it does not take long for a so called civilised country to feel very alien. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have now been through two referendums in a few years. Both have split the country and left bitterness in there wake........Is it not time the politicians did what they are paid for and put there ideas in the party manifesto, letting us vote accordingly. x"
Referendums are good, provided the losing side decide not to spit their dummies out  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have now been through two referendums in a few years. Both have split the country and left bitterness in there wake........Is it not time the politicians did what they are paid for and put there ideas in the party manifesto, letting us vote accordingly. x
Referendums are good, provided the losing side decide not to spit their dummies out "
Nothing like being magnanimous in victory. |
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"Referendums are something which are fine in principle, but in reality are nuts.
Most people don't vote on facts. However most people don't know what they don't know. As is seen on here, everyone is an expert, but most times have taken up an entrenched view and then,deliberately or not, bend the facts to suit that position.
Parliament should be the ones who make the important decisions, but unfortunatey the public have rightly lost confidence in them. "
Usually I'd agree after all its what they are paid the big bucks for . However in this instance they would have gone against the majority of the people |
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"Referendums are something which are fine in principle, but in reality are nuts.
Most people don't vote on facts. However most people don't know what they don't know. As is seen on here, everyone is an expert, but most times have taken up an entrenched view and then,deliberately or not, bend the facts to suit that position.
Parliament should be the ones who make the important decisions, but unfortunatey the public have rightly lost confidence in them.
Usually I'd agree after all its what they are paid the big bucks for . However in this instance they would have gone against the majority of the people "
Surely they go with who elected them and big business who fund the party ..so a deal for all ..leave the EU ..then negotiate an EEA deal for the good of the nation ..brexiters happy were not in the EU and business happy still have access to the worlds largest single market .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well i did notice that the north of England and the south east of England were very much united.So it is not as simple as north/south splits.
North voted leave, South East contains London which voted remain!
The South West voted to leave but that's conservative / lib Dem country and has no similarity with the north in general elections"
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Actually you could narrow it down even more.
City's voted remain
Towns voted leave |
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"Well i did notice that the north of England and the south east of England were very much united.So it is not as simple as north/south splits.
North voted leave, South East contains London which voted remain!
The South West voted to leave but that's conservative / lib Dem country and has no similarity with the north in general elections"
London and tunbridge wells voted in, the rest of the south east voted out |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well i did notice that the north of England and the south east of England were very much united.So it is not as simple as north/south splits.
North voted leave, South East contains London which voted remain!
The South West voted to leave but that's conservative / lib Dem country and has no similarity with the north in general elections
London and tunbridge wells voted in, the rest of the south east voted out"
I think Liverpool & Manchester had their "silly hats" on during the vote too |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Well as long as we have no more "once in a generation "referendums ...that should see me comfortable out of things anyway.
Yes that is a promise you made Nicola now stick to it FFS x |
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