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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news! |
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over a year ago
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Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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What leads to apathy is a political process where large swathes of society feel left behind and disenfranchised from the system as they feel politicians say one thing to get their vote and then change what that is once they have a mandate..
The referendum for some will be further proof that for them the system doesn't work and we all need to be concerned where that could end up.. |
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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Difference is a referendum is just another word for "consultation", it's not legally binding.
We vote parties in with a clear mandate and they renege on them: do you hold out much hope they'll see this through?!! |
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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What leads to apathy is a political process where large swathes of society feel left behind and disenfranchised from the system as they feel politicians say one thing to get their vote and then change what that is once they have a mandate..
The referendum for some will be further proof that for them the system doesn't work and we all need to be concerned where that could end up.."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!"
but the losing campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the public so where does that leave us? And to suggest that the £350 million/nhs thing had any bearing on the result really shows a lack of understanding as to why people voted to leave and their intelligence. You could just as easily argue that the 350 put a lot of people off leaving as was the case with the Tory MP who 'defected'. Likewise a lot of possible Remainers were put off by the ridiculous scare stories and voted out. At the end of the day votes were cast and one side won and that is that |
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Once democracy goes out of the window you might as well all dress the same have little books (red) of rules that you must obey without question. oh wait! that's been done before  |
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"Apparently there is an anti Brexit march planned for London today.
Lets hope for heavy rain for this sorry shower  "
Let them March, let them bitch and moan, let them do petitions, let them suck sour grapes, it won't make a blind bit of difference. The country voted Leave and Leave we will. All the conservative candidates running for Prime Minister are committed for Britain to Leave the EU now, even Theresa May and Stephen Crabb who were remainers said the will of the British people must now be carried through. Michael Gove also said yesterday if he becomes Prime Minister he will be committed to giving the Nhs and extra 100 million a week from our EU membership fee once we Leave the EU. |
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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Let's just hope that history doesn't remember today as the "day democracy died". |
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"Once democracy goes out of the window you might as well all dress the same have little books (red) of rules that you must obey without question. oh wait! that's been done before "
Some people still have little red books, John McDonnell threw his over the dispatch box at George Osborne.  |
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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Let's just hope that history doesn't remember today as the "day democracy died"."
It won't be, any attempt to overturn the result of the referendum by government will see Leave voters doing a March of their own in their millions. The politicians know this. The result must stand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Once democracy goes out of the window you might as well all dress the same have little books (red) of rules that you must obey without question. oh wait! that's been done before
Some people still have little red books, John McDonnell threw his over the dispatch box at George Osborne. "
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!"
I honestly think that as the Leave campaign could rightfully be accused of criminal deception, the result should be questioned legally.
However, that would shed far too much light on the actual workings of politics. And anyone who thinks that democracy will be respected is kidding themselves, so we can expect to see this kicked repeatedly into the long grass until the heat death of the universe.
Which is definitely the best thing for the country economically and culturally...but a final welcome nail in the illusion of democracy's coffin. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So now all the people who were crowing about demonstrations against the EU spreading across Europe last week are suddenly against demonstrations because they are in favour of the EU?
What was a show of democratic will last week because you fancied the outcome, isn't a democratic right now because you don't like it?
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The result is not in question but put away ones position and try and look objectively at what was said before and yes by both camps and whilst we don't know how this will end up..
People often don't want to, can't be bothered in engaging with the political process and some have always gone with the sound bite. Modern politics is as much about sharp suited, media savvy operators some with little substance..
When those who were not engaged before this can use the excuse that this or that was not true it only serves to allow them to justify their apathy and not engage again, when that happens then democracy suffers for all..
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!"
Part of the issue is how Arron banks supported ukips campaign donating more than 7,million for the cause when the electoral commission set it at £700000 ..he got round it by different companies being registered at the same address .. |
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"So now all the people who were crowing about demonstrations against the EU spreading across Europe last week are suddenly against demonstrations because they are in favour of the EU?
What was a show of democratic will last week because you fancied the outcome, isn't a democratic right now because you don't like it?
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ignoring others and how the decisions made affect their lives be that military or political is not the way..
It's a slippery slope to fuck you jack we got what we want, do what we did for us only and you can lump it.. |
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!
Part of the issue is how Arron banks supported ukips campaign donating more than 7,million for the cause when the electoral commission set it at £700000 ..he got round it by different companies being registered at the same address .."
If you are going to start talking about spending limits then what about the £9 million tax payer funded Pro EU propaganda leaflet David Cameron and the government sent out to every house in the land. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently there is an anti Brexit march planned for London today.
Lets hope for heavy rain for this sorry shower "
Not surprised at all. If London doesn't get its way it will force us. |
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!
Part of the issue is how Arron banks supported ukips campaign donating more than 7,million for the cause when the electoral commission set it at £700000 ..he got round it by different companies being registered at the same address ..
If you are going to start talking about spending limits then what about the £9 million tax payer funded Pro EU propaganda leaflet David Cameron and the government sent out to every house in the land. "
so two wrongs make a right do they ? wasnt the case in thanet when it didnt go ukip's way was it ? so my point is ukip are as lying and corupt as the rest of them .. |
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!
Part of the issue is how Arron banks supported ukips campaign donating more than 7,million for the cause when the electoral commission set it at £700000 ..he got round it by different companies being registered at the same address ..
If you are going to start talking about spending limits then what about the £9 million tax payer funded Pro EU propaganda leaflet David Cameron and the government sent out to every house in the land. so two wrongs make a right do they ? wasnt the case in thanet when it didnt go ukip's way was it ? so my point is ukip are as lying and corupt as the rest of them .."
Two wrongs don't make a right. But to use one of them wrongs as your argument then dismiss the other wrong as a wrong is fcking disalusional at best. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
.
Let's just hope that history doesn't remember today as the "day democracy died"."
indeed, notice how its held in London where the majority voted to remain
Westminster wont dare a second election as they will have to deal with a very pissed off British army, as well as 17 million pissed off Brits |
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"Apparently there is an anti Brexit march planned for London today.
Lets hope for heavy rain for this sorry shower "
The word democracy is being tossed around so much by so many people to defend their entrenched positions that it's in danger of losing its meaning.
Perhaps that's what some are hoping to achieve. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"So now all the people who were crowing about demonstrations against the EU spreading across Europe last week are suddenly against demonstrations because they are in favour of the EU?
What was a show of democratic will last week because you fancied the outcome, isn't a democratic right now because you don't like it?
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no, the point is that they are marching against a democratic decision and if they feel that that is a good thing to do then fair enough, it's their right. They will just be seen for what they are and increase leave support. I just said I hope it rains on their parade |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The vote was cast and the results spoke for themselves,but if people were really determind to try and overturn it thousands do not do it just pissing in the Ocean.
People would have to turn out in their millions in every toen center in every city in every villiage not to riot but to stand in silent protest but this would never happen.
Just before you all start I'm a leaver so nothing to gain here |
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!
Part of the issue is how Arron banks supported ukips campaign donating more than 7,million for the cause when the electoral commission set it at £700000 ..he got round it by different companies being registered at the same address ..
If you are going to start talking about spending limits then what about the £9 million tax payer funded Pro EU propaganda leaflet David Cameron and the government sent out to every house in the land. so two wrongs make a right do they ? wasnt the case in thanet when it didnt go ukip's way was it ? so my point is ukip are as lying and corupt as the rest of them ..
Two wrongs don't make a right. But to use one of them wrongs as your argument then dismiss the other wrong as a wrong is fcking disalusional at best. "
who dismissed the other wrong? READ THE FULL POST .and dont make assumptions |
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By (user no longer on site)
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The will of the British people as demanded by Act of Parliament has been made known. It must be acted upon by that same Parliament. That is how democracy works.
As for the marchers and protesters and whingers and '2nd referendumers'... well let them have a day out in London and enjoy themselves shouting and chanting. But that is isn't actually democracy in operation. It is Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Association and we have had those since 1215 and the Magna Carta... Just in case someone claims it comes from the EU like all the other Rights people claim come from the EU that we enacted before the EU or the EEC were invented. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Apparently there is an anti Brexit march planned for London today.
Lets hope for heavy rain for this sorry shower "
Lots of thunder, lightning, fire and brimstone too.
Some very sad and sorry people in this country. I stopped throwing hissy fits at about age 10. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
.
Let's just hope that history doesn't remember today as the "day democracy died".
indeed, notice how its held in London where the majority voted to remain
Westminster wont dare a second election as they will have to deal with a very pissed off British army, as well as 17 million pissed off Brits"
What has the army got to do with it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It reinforces the stereotype that people who 'March' and 'Protest' do so to make themselves feel better rather than change anything"
I agree, but what's wrong with that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Just watched an interview with a marcher - spotty little student type. The interviewer asks why he and his friends are marching, and he says "because the public have been misinformed". The interviewer then points out that the student is a member of the public, and why does he think he's any different to any other member of public. The student goes bright red, blusters a few "yeah, but no, but yeahs", then a lot of bleeping as he storms off. Bloody hilarious |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It reinforces the stereotype that people who 'March' and 'Protest' do so to make themselves feel better rather than change anything
I agree, but what's wrong with that?"
Haven't they got anything better to do? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats? |
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"It reinforces the stereotype that people who 'March' and 'Protest' do so to make themselves feel better rather than change anything
I agree, but what's wrong with that?
Haven't they got anything better to do? "
Evidently not. We all need to vent sometimes, and they choose not to do it on a swingers forum |
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats? "
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe . |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Apparently there is an anti Brexit march planned for London today.
Lets hope for heavy rain for this sorry shower
The word democracy is being tossed around so much by so many people to defend their entrenched positions that it's in danger of losing its meaning.
Perhaps that's what some are hoping to achieve."
I'm having similar thoughts.  |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats? "
It sounds pretty much like the similar comments made about those who voted to remain. Polarised, binary views get us nowhere.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe ."
pmsl intellectual and educated! That is the problem, they just THINK they are |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
pmsl intellectual and educated! That is the problem, they just THINK they are"
Some are, some aren't. Lumping everyone together gets us nowhere. Your slur is just as bad as those labelling all Brexiters as racist xenophobes. Why do it? It adds nothing to any debate.
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By *obka3Couple
over a year ago
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Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe ."
What money did the EU put into nissan to bring the plant to sunderland, the only reference I can find is the land was sold to them at ag prices and seeing it wasa RAF base it would have belonged to HMG ? |
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe ."
chucking the odd scraps to keep the masses happy, yea .. Gee .. Thanks..! |
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
It sounds pretty much like the similar comments made about those who voted to remain. Polarised, binary views get us nowhere.
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aimed that all those who behave like that. I would say the same if the results were reversed and exiters were protesting. |
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
pmsl intellectual and educated! That is the problem, they just THINK they are
Some are, some aren't. Lumping everyone together gets us nowhere. Your slur is just as bad as those labelling all Brexiters as racist xenophobes. Why do it? It adds nothing to any debate.
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true, just seems to be a general opinion by a lot of the remainers for some reason.
Anyway, off to the pub to drink to Brexit again with my Spanish friends, oh and my favourite Polish barmaid
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Some very sad, sad people
is this the start of the "end of democracy"
some people simply cannot accept the results of a referendum vote.
actions like this will reduce the numbers turning out for future elections, they will say what is the bloody point,
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Let's just hope that history doesn't remember today as the "day democracy died".
indeed, notice how its held in London where the majority voted to remain
Westminster wont dare a second election as they will have to deal with a very pissed off British army, as well as 17 million pissed off Brits"
The army? You should go for a ride on that moped of yours then take a few tranquilisers when you get back. That's way past ridiculous
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe ."
You live in the financial powerhouse known as Spain. So why would you care? Just get a visa when we cut our ties, and stay there |
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
You live in the financial powerhouse known as Spain. So why would you care? Just get a visa when we cut our ties, and stay there "
Because unlike you we care about others and as we have family spread between wales England and Scotland ..we care about their future .as well.as our investments still within the UK .always realising its our choice when we remove those investments from the UK ... |
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"Getting fed up of them now! They think the exiters are all thick uneducated racists. They assume they gave the superior intellect to know why the rest of england and wales voted the other way. They should try living up here where the london elite have abandoned this area and nearly always gave votes go against us.. Did we moan and carry on like spoilt brats?
Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
pmsl intellectual and educated! That is the problem, they just THINK they are"
Whereas of course you know you are? |
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You care about others but thats yous opinion.. You have relations in scotland england etc.. My own opinion is that if scotland go independent and join the eu they could end up like greece without the sunshine. Their deficit is 3 times than greece. But that is my own opinion! I hope Theit never happens. The thread is about accepting decisions that don't go your way isn't it? |
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"You care about others but thats yous opinion.. You have relations in scotland england etc.. My own opinion is that if scotland go independent and join the eu they could end up like greece without the sunshine. Their deficit is 3 times than greece. But that is my own opinion! I hope Theit never happens. The thread is about accepting decisions that don't go your way isn't it? "
It is .. The Scottish nation want in the union wants out ..which union to the Scots want more ..my opinion they will be worst off whichever they choose.
governments of the past forty years have shown investment north of Westminster is thin on the ground .. |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe ."
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? |
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Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
What money did the EU put into nissan to bring the plant to sunderland, the only reference I can find is the land was sold to them at ag prices and seeing it wasa RAF base it would have belonged to HMG ?"
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"It is .. The Scottish nation want in the union wants out ..which union to the Scots want more ..my opinion they will be worst off whichever they choose.
governments of the past forty years have shown investment north of Westminster is thin on the ground .. "
Sorry I can't let that go unchallenged:
the 'Scottish Nation' has no more Constitutional rights than Wales or even East Anglia where I live. And there are more us us here!
While Scotland remains in the Union it is a part of the UK bound by the will OF the UK. Its really simple. And as it happens the 'Scottish Nation' didn't want in. A majority of Scots wanted in and as it happens they were but one TENTH of the people in the UK who wanted out. You and Ms Sturgeon happily forget the million+ Scots who voted 'Leave'.
And as for your jibe about the people of Scotland getting a bad deal out of Westminster in the last two years the Scots have been funded to the tune of £12 Bn and £15 Bn as they enjoy more benefits per person than anyone else (bar those in N. Ireland which is an exceptional case). So maybe (once again) get your facts straight and stop the bullshit. Why should a Scotswoman get free care in her old age and I had to pay for my late Mum's last years in care? Was she more important than my Mother? ....
lets put it this way: Scotland costs us more nett than did the EU by some £2 Bn pounds a year. And we just gave the EU a good kicking ....Ms Sturgeon needs to be very careful... |
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I'm shocked to see how many of these idiots have brought their dogs on the march. The poor animals look really distressed being stuck in the middle of the baying crowds. I hope the police pull their irresponsible owners out of the crowd and hand them over to the RSPCA. How cruel are these gits? |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts?"
yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?) |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?) "
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? |
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The result will and must stand. We have one person one vote. I fail to see how the system failed anyone. I voted leave but that doesn't mean that if the other side had won that I wouldn't respect it. Maybe we should just say fuck it to democracy and move towards a dictatorship. Lets see how these marchers like those apples.. |
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I just saw one video on YouTube of an aggressive guy shouting "shame on you". When he was asked why he was protesting he just shouted "fuck off" as which point his accent revealed that he probably wasn't British! He was then asked where he was from an got even more angry! |
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"I think it is good and I recon london should seek independence from rest of the uk to join the eu, as it is a world capital "
The original nations were largely city states and Singapore does rather well - it's not such a bad idea... |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? "
not really.. Was just saying it was a conservative party in at the time initiative.. Personally it was A token jesture |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? not really.. Was just saying it was a conservative party in at the time initiative.. Personally it was A token jesture"
So what is it you don't like about Europe's most productive car factory? Other than it being a conservative initative? |
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" So what is it you don't like about Europe's most productive car factory? Other than it being a conservative initative? "
it is actually Nissan's most efficient factory worldwide. They just started making the Lexus there... |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? "
if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No! |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No! "
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? |
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What money did the EU put into nissan to bring the plant to sunderland, the only reference I can find is the land was sold to them at ag prices and seeing it wasa RAF base it would have belonged to HMG ?"
The only reason Sunderland was built was for access to the eu, so the land was sold off for buttons and carte blanche planning. It pays sod all in corporation tax but soaks up millions in tax breaks from both uk and eu taxpayers, and still dies very nicely out if the EU...
"The European Investment Bank has agreed to support production of Nissan’s first electric car to be built in Europe and the company’s first European production of electric vehicle batteries. Agreement for EUR 220 m funding from the European Union’s long-term lending institution was signed in Sunderland by Trevor Mann, Nissan Europe Senior Vice President for Manufacturing, and Simon Brooks, European Investment Bank Vice President for the United Kingdom."
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?"
I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? "
not round here no. More bad than good. No doubt others in the uk benefited much better |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies."
so agree with you on this. I am coming round to a best of 3 vote now and wishing back to the coalition government of the LibDems & Conservatives... |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies."
what about the in campaign lies? |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? "
an analogy.. She burns your house down and buys you a shed. Did she do you any good? |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies? "
At least there wouldn't be any change as we already was in the eu, although voting leave is a leap in the dark and no one can predict what will happen. |
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What money did the EU put into nissan to bring the plant to sunderland, the only reference I can find is the land was sold to them at ag prices and seeing it wasa RAF base it would have belonged to HMG ?
The only reason Sunderland was built was for access to the eu, so the land was sold off for buttons and carte blanche planning. It pays sod all in corporation tax but soaks up millions in tax breaks from both uk and eu taxpayers, and still dies very nicely out if the EU...
"The European Investment Bank has agreed to support production of Nissan’s first electric car to be built in Europe and the company’s first European production of electric vehicle batteries. Agreement for EUR 220 m funding from the European Union’s long-term lending institution was signed in Sunderland by Trevor Mann, Nissan Europe Senior Vice President for Manufacturing, and Simon Brooks, European Investment Bank Vice President for the United Kingdom."
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From what I can research the eib is a bank that the eu started to loan money to "support" companies by loaning them money I assume at commercial rates, the EIB raises its funds on the international markets, I assume the tax breaks you refer to are just normal ones that all businesses get such as capital allowances and are nothing to do with the eu,not sure what point you are trying to make,but as far as I can find the EU has not paid any money to nissan to be in the uk and if they did it would have just been money WE put into the eu budget in the first place |
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"Sigh. Violent action is defying democracy. Peaceful protest is freedom of speech.
Sad that people think a vote should make people who disagree shut up. That stance is hardly democracy in itself."
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies.
so agree with you on this. I am coming round to a best of 3 vote now and wishing back to the coalition government of the LibDems & Conservatives... "
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies? "
& they were what? |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies? At least there wouldn't be any change as we already was in the eu, although voting leave is a leap in the dark and no one can predict what will happen."
status quo ? undemocratic dictatorate.. That's the future you want? Imposed austerity on greeks commiting suicide for the big banks, u think that is tollerable? The lies spun by cameron osbourne busted. |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies?
& they were what?"
ffs.. google it!, tired of typing it now. If you want to know why i voted out it wasn't from the material of either side. Pm me if you give a shit. |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? an analogy.. She burns your house down and buys you a shed. Did she do you any good? "
What if you house was already on fire and once it burnt she built you a shed? You know how shit the 70's were don't you? |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies?
& they were what? ffs.. google it!, tired of typing it now. If you want to know why i voted out it wasn't from the material of either side. Pm me if you give a shit."
googled it. it looks like the stay campaign were quite accurate and the leave lied. what do i do next!? |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies?
& they were what? ffs.. google it!, tired of typing it now. If you want to know why i voted out it wasn't from the material of either side. Pm me if you give a shit."
Was it another vote based on emotion ..saves thinking about the important issues I suppose ..or did u play pin the tail on the donkey to decide .. |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies?
& they were what? ffs.. google it!, tired of typing it now. If you want to know why i voted out it wasn't from the material of either side. Pm me if you give a shit.
Was it another vote based on emotion ..saves thinking about the important issues I suppose ..or did u play pin the tail on the donkey to decide .."
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Someone change the record, the needle's stuck |
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"It is democratic to demonstrate also.
But is it democratic to demonstrate against democracy?I would say yes, cos it depend how they won, for example in this case, the leave campaign was all based on lies. what about the in campaign lies?
& they were what? ffs.. google it!, tired of typing it now. If you want to know why i voted out it wasn't from the material of either side. Pm me if you give a shit.
Was it another vote based on emotion ..saves thinking about the important issues I suppose ..or did u play pin the tail on the donkey to decide ..
Yawn, yawn, yawn. Someone change the record, the needle's stuck "
You still stuck in the past we moved on from turntables years ago ..its the digital age now .. |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? an analogy.. She burns your house down and buys you a shed. Did she do you any good?
What if you house was already on fire and once it burnt she built you a shed? You know how shit the 70's were don't you? "
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Listen up... Stop knocking the 70s,i had the greatest childhood ever, didn't get abused by Jimmy saville, listen to great music, great films, enjoyed the power cuts, Christmas started in December and finished in December, TV was fantastic, nobody gave a shit about politics except for some twat who'd been to uni, and nobody spoke to him anyhow,i owned a crossbow at the age of 11 which I bought from a shop with my paper round money and a high powered air rifle by 13 (note I did shoot my mate in the thumb while aiming at a bumble bee) except for that, I managed to get through life without killing, robbing shops, beating old people up or any other crime, I had to scurry around in bushes for porn and I could strip a motorbike down, let alone a bike and rebuild it by the age of 12!!
..... And I used my thumbs for mostly hitch hiking to work at the age of 16.... yeah 16 |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? an analogy.. She burns your house down and buys you a shed. Did she do you any good?
What if you house was already on fire and once it burnt she built you a shed? You know how shit the 70's were don't you? .
Listen up... Stop knocking the 70s,i had the greatest childhood ever, didn't get abused by Jimmy saville, listen to great music, great films, enjoyed the power cuts, Christmas started in December and finished in December, TV was fantastic, nobody gave a shit about politics except for some twat who'd been to uni, and nobody spoke to him anyhow,i owned a crossbow at the age of 11 which I bought from a shop with my paper round money and a high powered air rifle by 13 (note I did shoot my mate in the thumb while aiming at a bumble bee) except for that, I managed to get through life without killing, robbing shops, beating old people up or any other crime, I had to scurry around in bushes for porn and I could strip a motorbike down, let alone a bike and rebuild it by the age of 12!!
..... And I used my thumbs for mostly hitch hiking to work at the age of 16.... yeah 16 "
Well sure Children don't need to care about double digit inflation and double digit interest rates! I'm sorry but 70's music is shit too.
The bike bit is cool though. |
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? an analogy.. She burns your house down and buys you a shed. Did she do you any good?
What if you house was already on fire and once it burnt she built you a shed? You know how shit the 70's were don't you? .
Listen up... Stop knocking the 70s,i had the greatest childhood ever, didn't get abused by Jimmy saville, listen to great music, great films, enjoyed the power cuts, Christmas started in December and finished in December, TV was fantastic, nobody gave a shit about politics except for some twat who'd been to uni, and nobody spoke to him anyhow,i owned a crossbow at the age of 11 which I bought from a shop with my paper round money and a high powered air rifle by 13 (note I did shoot my mate in the thumb while aiming at a bumble bee) except for that, I managed to get through life without killing, robbing shops, beating old people up or any other crime, I had to scurry around in bushes for porn and I could strip a motorbike down, let alone a bike and rebuild it by the age of 12!!
..... And I used my thumbs for mostly hitch hiking to work at the age of 16.... yeah 16
Well sure Children don't need to care about double digit inflation and double digit interest rates! I'm sorry but 70's music is shit too.
The bike bit is cool though. "
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" Yep the only ones who invested in the north was the EU in order to attract Japanese car industry ..strange the north received more from the EU than from Westminster and has for decades and yet the intellectual and educated decided they would rather trust Westminster to start to and improve investment in the area ..delusional I believe .
I think you will find it was the British Government in 1984 agreed the deal with Nissan for Sunderland. And I do believe it was a Conservative Government at that. I stand to be corrected as always but I can find no reference to the EU in that decision ... any sources or facts? yes it was mrs. Thatcher who came up to look the new site over. No eu doubt about it! .. (see what i did there?)
So you approve of what Mrs Thatcher did there then? if your asking if i have a mug with 'i love thatcher' on it.. No!
No I'm asking if you can admit she did anything good? an analogy.. She burns your house down and buys you a shed. Did she do you any good?
What if you house was already on fire and once it burnt she built you a shed? You know how shit the 70's were don't you? .
Listen up... Stop knocking the 70s,i had the greatest childhood ever, didn't get abused by Jimmy saville, listen to great music, great films, enjoyed the power cuts, Christmas started in December and finished in December, TV was fantastic, nobody gave a shit about politics except for some twat who'd been to uni, and nobody spoke to him anyhow,i owned a crossbow at the age of 11 which I bought from a shop with my paper round money and a high powered air rifle by 13 (note I did shoot my mate in the thumb while aiming at a bumble bee) except for that, I managed to get through life without killing, robbing shops, beating old people up or any other crime, I had to scurry around in bushes for porn and I could strip a motorbike down, let alone a bike and rebuild it by the age of 12!!
..... And I used my thumbs for mostly hitch hiking to work at the age of 16.... yeah 16
Well sure Children don't need to care about double digit inflation and double digit interest rates! I'm sorry but 70's music is shit too.
The bike bit is cool though. .
Are you dissing my music!. "
List 4 songs you would hold up as examples of 70's brilliance and I'll play them on the tube to confirm or deny |
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The bike bit is cool though. .
Are you dissing my music!.
List 4 songs you would hold up as examples of 70's brilliance and I'll play them on the tube to confirm or deny"
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Pink Floyd, wish you were here
T-Rex , ballroom of Mars
Bee gees staying alive
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The bike bit is cool though. .
Are you dissing my music!.
List 4 songs you would hold up as examples of 70's brilliance and I'll play them on the tube to confirm or deny.
Pink Floyd, wish you were here
T-Rex , ballroom of Mars
Bee gees staying alive
The doors ,LA woman "
To be fair they were better than I expected. I still think music peaked in the 80's and 90's though. It's been dramatically downhill since 2000 with the exception of EDM |
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"It is .. The Scottish nation want in the union wants out ..which union to the Scots want more ..my opinion they will be worst off whichever they choose.
governments of the past forty years have shown investment north of Westminster is thin on the ground ..
Sorry I can't let that go unchallenged:
the 'Scottish Nation' has no more Constitutional rights than Wales or even East Anglia where I live. And there are more us us here!
While Scotland remains in the Union it is a part of the UK bound by the will OF the UK. Its really simple. And as it happens the 'Scottish Nation' didn't want in. A majority of Scots wanted in and as it happens they were but one TENTH of the people in the UK who wanted out. You and Ms Sturgeon happily forget the million+ Scots who voted 'Leave'.
And as for your jibe about the people of Scotland getting a bad deal out of Westminster in the last two years the Scots have been funded to the tune of £12 Bn and £15 Bn as they enjoy more benefits per person than anyone else (bar those in N. Ireland which is an exceptional case). So maybe (once again) get your facts straight and stop the bullshit. Why should a Scotswoman get free care in her old age and I had to pay for my late Mum's last years in care? Was she more important than my Mother? ....
lets put it this way: Scotland costs us more nett than did the EU by some £2 Bn pounds a year. And we just gave the EU a good kicking ....Ms Sturgeon needs to be very careful..."
Ms sturgeon assumes the Eu wants to take on a net receiver. |
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By *ane DTV/TS
over a year ago
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Still not answered what level of pain and penury "independence" would be acceptable to inflict on the Scottish people.
Still lacking any concrete finacial proposals.
Still not answered "how much to set up an iScotland" - considering the current fuck ups in NHS, Police Scotland and EU Farm payments IT projects are currently budgeted at ~£250 million. |
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"Still not answered what level of pain and penury "independence" would be acceptable to inflict on the Scottish people.
Still lacking any concrete finacial proposals.
Still not answered "how much to set up an iScotland" - considering the current fuck ups in NHS, Police Scotland and EU Farm payments IT projects are currently budgeted at ~£250 million."
Exactly right. On its own Scotland is bankrupt and that is the fact of it and has been for a few years. All this bluster about 'their' oil wealth is just that ... bluster.
What all this recent stuff about 'IndyRef2' is just a clever smokescreen to cover up the failure of the SNP managing the Scottish economy. What is also being put to one side by all this is the fact that Scotland now has to balance its books using the fiscal powers it demanded post IndyRef1. And this will mean either severe cuts or big tax increases. The Chickens are coming home to roost and many Scots I know are not mightily pleased .... |
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text deleted, private message sent direct, objecting to unnecessary Anti-Scottish sentiment is disdain which could cause problems if the wrong person reads |
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!
I honestly think that as the Leave campaign could rightfully be accused of criminal deception, the result should be questioned legally.
However, that would shed far too much light on the actual workings of politics. And anyone who thinks that democracy will be respected is kidding themselves, so we can expect to see this kicked repeatedly into the long grass until the heat death of the universe.
Which is definitely the best thing for the country economically and culturally...but a final welcome nail in the illusion of democracy's coffin."
So over the last few days leave voters have been called stupid,dumb,moronic and many other things but at least we know the difference between the drfinition of WILL and COULD as not once did the leave campaign say we will do an thing they simply stated what could be done |
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"text deleted, private message sent direct, objecting to unnecessary Anti-Scottish sentiment is disdain which could cause problems if the wrong person reads"
I just checked my Inbox and heaved a sigh of relief. My beef is not with the Jocks or Scotland but with Sturgeon, Salmond, Robertson, Whinney and the SNP mafia that act like they are something special when they aren't. They are just another political party and as such are open to criticism, jibes and piss taking like any other. They are just as misleading and manipulative of events as any other party but with the added spice of anti-English sentiment when things go wrong and they seek someone to blame. Well after May this year there is no one else TO blame and why I mentioned roosting Chickens.....  |
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"There is no point in protesting about a legitimate referendum result unless there is evidence that the winning campaign leaders wilfully lied and misled the country.
There is of course no evidence of this because £350,000,000 a week will be pumped into the NHS enabling one new hospital to be built every month. Great news!
I honestly think that as the Leave campaign could rightfully be accused of criminal deception, the result should be questioned legally.
However, that would shed far too much light on the actual workings of politics. And anyone who thinks that democracy will be respected is kidding themselves, so we can expect to see this kicked repeatedly into the long grass until the heat death of the universe.
Which is definitely the best thing for the country economically and culturally...but a final welcome nail in the illusion of democracy's coffin.
So over the last few days leave voters have been called stupid,dumb,moronic and many other things but at least we know the difference between the drfinition of WILL and COULD as not once did the leave campaign say we will do an thing they simply stated what could be done "
Got you now .like we could leave the EU or we will leave the EU .. |
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" So over the last few days leave voters have been called stupid,dumb,moronic and many other things but at least we know the difference between the drfinition of WILL and COULD as not once did the leave campaign say we will do an thing they simply stated what could be done "
Well said. Its what I have been trying to say (and not very well). All we in Vote Leave were offering is the choices that open up to the country out of the EU. Like using the nett £13.2 Bn a year on average we have sent to the EU in the last 5 years for things that are important to THIS country not 27 others. An amount that increased by over 18% in that time.
Having secured our freedom it is now up to future Governments what they do with that freedom, the spare cash and how they maximise all the new options. And the first of the 'next Governments' and the start of that new future starts the first week of September.... |
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" So over the last few days leave voters have been called stupid,dumb,moronic and many other things but at least we know the difference between the drfinition of WILL and COULD as not once did the leave campaign say we will do an thing they simply stated what could be done
Well said. Its what I have been trying to say (and not very well). All we in Vote Leave were offering is the choices that open up to the country out of the EU. Like using the nett £13.2 Bn a year on average we have sent to the EU in the last 5 years for things that are important to THIS country not 27 others. An amount that increased by over 18% in that time.
Having secured our freedom it is now up to future Governments what they do with that freedom, the spare cash and how they maximise all the new options. And the first of the 'next Governments' and the start of that new future starts the first week of September...."
Blimey bit naive the next government will be the same as the last just lead by a new leader still the same majority and same beliefs .. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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" So over the last few days leave voters have been called stupid,dumb,moronic and many other things but at least we know the difference between the drfinition of WILL and COULD as not once did the leave campaign say we will do an thing they simply stated what could be done
Well said. Its what I have been trying to say (and not very well). All we in Vote Leave were offering is the choices that open up to the country out of the EU. Like using the nett £13.2 Bn a year on average we have sent to the EU in the last 5 years for things that are important to THIS country not 27 others. An amount that increased by over 18% in that time.
Having secured our freedom it is now up to future Governments what they do with that freedom, the spare cash and how they maximise all the new options. And the first of the 'next Governments' and the start of that new future starts the first week of September...."
No 'freedom' has been secured. What Leave has achieved is informing the government that the referendum secured a margin of 4% for leave over remain. Everything else that follows that is still be to confirmed, including just how much the negotiation team will cost us (to be sourced from America, Australia, Iceland etc.) and how many extra civil service jobs there will be to see us through this period.
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