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"OP, I'm saddened and sorry to read this. "As am I... Beautifully sorrowful | |||
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"I'm shocked, I don't get why people are being this horrible "Really? For some thinking hateful things becomes saying hateful things. For some that becomes doing hateful things. Some who are really not racist or xenophobic subscribe to views that are ideologically racist and xenophobic. They choose to do nothing, or to talk down the actual racism that is being experienced by others and in doing so help to deny it as being wrong and thereby embolden the racists and xenophobes to move from thought to speech to actions. I was told I would be kicked out of the country yesterday, It was shocking. Farage standing in front of a poster of refugees (those in need of help and asylum) emboldened many. Those who didn't condemn him and refuse to see the act is aggressive and racist but choose to cite it as just a reasonable discussion about immigration help to embolden the racists to behave with impunity. | |||
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"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. " It is and I won't comment again tonight. Your friend's description of what it is to live as an 'other' is very moving. A friend of mine described the need to translate everything as having a constant noise in her head. I hope she finds some peace tonight. | |||
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"I'm shocked, I don't get why people are being this horrible "I was speaking to a Muslim colleague, (he's the chef, does my bacon just as I like it  ) who voted out to give his children a better future and to prevent extremist coming in and spoiling the life he escaped from.
He said, "what have I done? I voted for my children, now they are scared because we were racially abused in the street. This has never happened in the 18 years I've lived here".
After I unsympathetically thought turkey...Christmas, I felt sad and worried for all of us. Someone is going to "run their mouth" to the wrong person, expecting stoicism or fisty cuffs following Queensbury Rules to be met with a sawn off shotgun to the temple.
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"I have heard these things on news but this doesn't happen up in Scotland, honestly very few incidents Was this a London attack? sad to see this happening " It's happening a lot in London and the south east...areas that voted remain! | |||
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"Wouldn't it be better for migrants to this country from the EU to know that they had a decent place to live, a job they will hopefully enjoy, access to a doctor and school etc before the move here, ie control rather than just turning up and hoping for the best and being at the mercy of unscrupulous agencies, employers and landlords? If immigration of the scale that we are seeing is good for them and this country then does it not stand to reason that it is bad for the countries from whence the came? Or are the Remainer types only interested in the gdp figures for this country and the availability of a cheap plumber, nanny, builder etc?" 
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This is so sad.
I was talking to a British born Muslim woman - a science teacher - last night at my daughter's Taekwondo class.
She was genuinely terrified and confused. She says that she doesn't feel welcome in this country for the first time ever.
I found it really difficult to reassure her. | |||
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"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X "It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place. | |||
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"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place. "It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems. | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems."That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population | |||
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This is so sad.
I was talking to a British born Muslim woman - a science teacher - last night at my daughter's Taekwondo class.
She was genuinely terrified and confused. She says that she doesn't feel welcome in this country for the first time ever.
I found it really difficult to reassure her."This is what I'm encountering, it doesn't seem to be targeted towards blacks, but those experiencing this open hostility have been Muslims. | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place. " | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population"Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love ""The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit. | |||
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"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit. "It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows. | |||
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"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows. "I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect. I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening. | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening. "I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years . | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years . "You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok? | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok? "For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain. | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok?
For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain. "Mate I've lived in Manchester, Newcastle, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Auckland, Hong Kong. I'm not exactly sheltered. Plus most of that sounds like BS. Someone got run over and the police just turned away? What part of Manchester are you in?! Nobody is denying racial tensions. But this everyday racism, the flippant kind is the worry | |||
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"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok?
For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain.
Mate I've lived in Manchester, Newcastle, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Auckland, Hong Kong. I'm not exactly sheltered. Plus most of that sounds like BS. Someone got run over and the police just turned away? What part of Manchester are you in?!
Nobody is denying racial tensions. But this everyday racism, the flippant kind is the worry "So now what I say doesn't fit in your ideological it's BS. Well it's not bullshit and has been happening in Oldham for decades. And are you telling me the police in this country don't / haven't turned a blind eye to racial incidents in this country you are very nieve | |||
"There is always racism everywhere all of the time always has been always will be. It's just that at the moment is sells papers and is high up int the news and don't the poititians love it as it gives them more to debate about and blame sides. " | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok?
For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain.
Mate I've lived in Manchester, Newcastle, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Auckland, Hong Kong. I'm not exactly sheltered. Plus most of that sounds like BS. Someone got run over and the police just turned away? What part of Manchester are you in?!
Nobody is denying racial tensions. But this everyday racism, the flippant kind is the worry
So now what I say doesn't fit in your ideological it's BS. Well it's not bullshit and has been happening in Oldham for decades. And are you telling me the police in this country don't / haven't turned a blind eye to racial incidents in this country you are very nieve "They're two different issues and that's what I've tried to explain from the start. We're talking about the Everyman who hasn't said a bad word to anyone, the pensioners, the office workers who are going up to average citizens and saying you need to leave when the week before they hadn't said a word. This isn't about 400 Asians battling in the streets with swords. Because that definitely isn't what I'm talking about. At all. | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok?
For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain.
Mate I've lived in Manchester, Newcastle, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Auckland, Hong Kong. I'm not exactly sheltered. Plus most of that sounds like BS. Someone got run over and the police just turned away? What part of Manchester are you in?!
Nobody is denying racial tensions. But this everyday racism, the flippant kind is the worry
So now what I say doesn't fit in your ideological it's BS. Well it's not bullshit and has been happening in Oldham for decades. And are you telling me the police in this country don't / haven't turned a blind eye to racial incidents in this country you are very nieve
They're two different issues and that's what I've tried to explain from the start. We're talking about the Everyman who hasn't said a bad word to anyone, the pensioners, the office workers who are going up to average citizens and saying you need to leave when the week before they hadn't said a word. This isn't about 400 Asians battling in the streets with swords. Because that definitely isn't what I'm talking about. At all. "Sorry never realised there was two different kinds of racism. | |||
"It's a very worrying Country where on one side you have the leering smug grin of Farage standing in front of his poster depicting a snaking column of refugees as some sort of danger. And on the other side after an MP was tragically murdered by ignorance you get people turning up at a rally with Corbyn in attendance with T shirts shouting for the Eradication of Blairite vermin. Intolerance is being given a platform at both ends of the spectrum. " Indeed | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok?
For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain.
Mate I've lived in Manchester, Newcastle, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Auckland, Hong Kong. I'm not exactly sheltered. Plus most of that sounds like BS. Someone got run over and the police just turned away? What part of Manchester are you in?!
Nobody is denying racial tensions. But this everyday racism, the flippant kind is the worry
So now what I say doesn't fit in your ideological it's BS. Well it's not bullshit and has been happening in Oldham for decades. And are you telling me the police in this country don't / haven't turned a blind eye to racial incidents in this country you are very nieve
They're two different issues and that's what I've tried to explain from the start. We're talking about the Everyman who hasn't said a bad word to anyone, the pensioners, the office workers who are going up to average citizens and saying you need to leave when the week before they hadn't said a word. This isn't about 400 Asians battling in the streets with swords. Because that definitely isn't what I'm talking about. At all.
Sorry never realised there was two different kinds of racism. "You're so adept at twisting things to suit your agenda you should go for the PM job. If after all those explanations though you still don't get what people are saying then you're actually a lot dimmer than I gave you credit for. If you honestly believe elderly neighbours telling a friend of 30+ years to leave their street a few days after the referendum, is the same as 400 Asians with swords running people over in what you described as a war then there's no hope for this conversation | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems." | |||
"It is a shame that she feels like this and in a ideal world this would not happen but let's put this in perspective, racism was around decades before Brexit and will be around for decades after Brexit. And it also works the other way round their are areas in this country that are no go areas to white British folk, again this is not right and in an ideal world would not happen but it's a fact that racism does take place in this country but to blame Brexit is clutching at straws. One love X
It's not the racism people are saying has popped out of nowhere, it's now how people are being more brazen about it. The result has legitimised it in some people's eyes. People wanted their country back but didn't realise that the country is a horrible nasty place.
It has always been brazen if you live in the right places. It has just been pushed under the carpet over the years and now with Brexit and the odd thicko telling some Greek girl to go home we have a racism problem. There has always been problems.
That's exactly what I said. The small minority who have always been brazen have been joined by another minority who have now felt their views are justified in the public domain. It's when these incidents are belittled such as calling them "some Greek girl" that it slowly becomes accepted. There's a more and more reports of it just on Fab which is a tiny percentage of the population
Maybe not PC calling here "some Greek girl" but the fact is I don't know her name so what else should I call her? This is what I am saying I never for one second had a racist thought or tone about her, but buy saying I belittled her saying "some Greek girl" you have turned it into a possible rasist slur. 1 love
"The lady in question" "OPs friend". I didn't say you belittled her, just that a lot of these occurrences are being belittled but saying racism has always been here. It's a problem that's cropped up over the last week quite a bit.
It's a problem that has been around for decades mate come live where I live you see it on an hourly basis fact. The problem is not Brexit the roots go back way beyond that. Solution fck knows.
I'm not disputing it's happened for decades. It's happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. More frequently, to people who've not experienced it for decades, by people who you least it expect.
I'm lucky, I live in an area where it's rare. However, a German lady who's lived here for years called a radio station to tell them she was too scared to leave her house because her neighbours (in her words pension age) told her they don't want her there, in their country, nor do they want to be friends with her as she's foreign. This isn't a long standing problem in these events. This is post Brexit tensions allowing bigotry and racism to be considered acceptable. Paint it how you want it's happening.
I know it's happening been living it the past 25 years .
You're not getting it, have a lie down. THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC BIGOTRY AND RACISM HAS NOT BEEN HAPPENING FOR 25 YEARS! Maybe where you live but not on the widespread and increasing scale it has been. Ok?
For your information I do get it like I say lived it for 25 years. Seen Asian youths drive car at a disabled white youth knock him over and carry on with police watching and do nothing because of racial tensions and not wanting rock the boat. Seen groups of up to 400 Asian youths rioting on the streets with groups of white youths, petrol bombs and swords included . Seen groups up to 150 strong Albanian and Polish rioting on my street with Asian youths again police couldn't do anything. So now your bubble has been burst in your nice little world welcome to modern inner city Britain.
Mate I've lived in Manchester, Newcastle, Sydney, New York, Melbourne, Auckland, Hong Kong. I'm not exactly sheltered. Plus most of that sounds like BS. Someone got run over and the police just turned away? What part of Manchester are you in?!
Nobody is denying racial tensions. But this everyday racism, the flippant kind is the worry
So now what I say doesn't fit in your ideological it's BS. Well it's not bullshit and has been happening in Oldham for decades. And are you telling me the police in this country don't / haven't turned a blind eye to racial incidents in this country you are very nieve
They're two different issues and that's what I've tried to explain from the start. We're talking about the Everyman who hasn't said a bad word to anyone, the pensioners, the office workers who are going up to average citizens and saying you need to leave when the week before they hadn't said a word. This isn't about 400 Asians battling in the streets with swords. Because that definitely isn't what I'm talking about. At all.
Sorry never realised there was two different kinds of racism.
You're so adept at twisting things to suit your agenda you should go for the PM job. If after all those explanations though you still don't get what people are saying then you're actually a lot dimmer than I gave you credit for. If you honestly believe elderly neighbours telling a friend of 30+ years to leave their street a few days after the referendum, is the same as 400 Asians with swords running people over in what you described as a war then there's no hope for this conversation "I get it mate there is racism post Brexit. Mr Adamski the old Polish dude from next door is making noises about all these foreigners comeing over, and Mrs Smith from the office down the road is saying the the country is full all go home. You think these mutterings was not going on pre Brexit?. I can tell you they where being said just a lot of people choose not to listen pre Brexit. And for your info I am of mixed race carribean authentication so have had my share of rasist comments thrown at me by European and African immigrants who have been homed in my area in the last 4 years. So in a nut shell we live in a fcked up rasist country and have done for decades. Nothing to do with Brexit. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. " I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. " Really? | |||
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"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. " She works. She has always worked. I have been tutoring her through her BA, MA and now she's set to embark on a PhD. All self-funded. She's lived in this country for 8 years and last year married another (British) friend of mine. This has nothing to do with the welfare state, just intolerance given voice by the vote. | |||
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"Add to that the guy whose kids go to school with mine, who sits on the Parish Council, who is a local business owner - only problem is, he's Turkish. Cue trolling on social media telling him to get out of the country. " I won't say on a public forum what our son came home with drawn on him by his school friends. He is of German blood and this was ten years ago. The head teacher claimed the boys didn't understand the significance of what they'd done and therein lies much of the problem. | |||
"I've lived in this country for 10 years 9 of it I served in the armed forces and the amount of racism I've experience is just shocking I've had people throw bananas out of moving cars at me I've had people shouting ni**er go home at me I used to wear Hoddies and Id get random people come up to me asking to sell them drugs ...walking to pubs and get the you don't belong here look i I don't drive in London at night now cuz almost every time I get pulled over ...all this while swearing the protect the very people who are doing this shit to me racism has always been here the problem is when someone shouts racism people from different races who have never experienced it says...stop playing the race card or let's integrate....it takes people from both sides to integrate and it's impossible to integrate with people who just don't like you or see you as equal ..maybe the immigrant is not the problem but the way the British looks at them " I don't recognise my country at the moment. The racists are a minority. Unfortunately they're a very noisy minority with feelings of legitimacy. People voted Leave because of the immigrants, (amongst other things). They've fallen for propaganda about the problems here being the fault of everything being overloaded by immigrant numbers. I'm ashamed and saddened. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. She works. She has always worked. I have been tutoring her through her BA, MA and now she's set to embark on a PhD. All self-funded. She's lived in this country for 8 years and last year married another (British) friend of mine. This has nothing to do with the welfare state, just intolerance given voice by the vote. " I'm sure she does. I'm questioning whether the people dishing out racial abuse work too. Anyone who has a career needs to work with all sorts of people so those who are racist don't tend to last long in big organisations. | |||
"I've lived in this country for 10 years 9 of it I served in the armed forces and the amount of racism I've experience is just shocking I've had people throw bananas out of moving cars at me I've had people shouting ni**er go home at me I used to wear Hoddies and Id get random people come up to me asking to sell them drugs ...walking to pubs and get the you don't belong here look i I don't drive in London at night now cuz almost every time I get pulled over ...all this while swearing the protect the very people who are doing this shit to me racism has always been here the problem is when someone shouts racism people from different races who have never experienced it says...stop playing the race card or let's integrate....it takes people from both sides to integrate and it's impossible to integrate with people who just don't like you or see you as equal ..maybe the immigrant is not the problem but the way the British looks at them " You are the same age as my children and they've never experienced anything you have.  | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? " Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. " I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. " Just like most intolerant people and organisations, whe. You see pictures of any of the terrorists I.e ISIS and the like they all look like there is something missing or they are not quite right! Racist all seem to have that same look! | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. " And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. Just like most intolerant people and organisations, whe. You see pictures of any of the terrorists I.e ISIS and the like they all look like there is something missing or they are not quite right! Racist all seem to have that same look! " It's hard not to notice the similarities when you see an EDL or BNP march... | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? " Yes and most of them look like complete fucktards | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? " I don't need the photos, I've been up close and personal. | |||
"I'm shocked, I don't get why people are being this horrible "Sadly,as much as the leave vote was more complex than immigration, walk down working class parts of Britain, and even middle class and rural areas and there are entrenched views based around racism, xenophobic notions and even jingoistic ideals. Obviously many leave voters have no issue with race, culture and religion, but sadly a minor leave vote emboldened the horrible opinions which so far we had been good at stifling out. Realistically it would help if Farage got his arse back here and started encouraging people to report the abuse. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? Yes and most of them look like complete fucktards " You are not judging people on there looks or beliefs there are you? Not having a dig actually I agree just showing how easy people can judge others. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. " I wouldn't say a career cures it, but being in full time work does help open peoples eyes to how most people all want the same fundamental things. At he ver least being in a big company means that people have to push down their sentiments else they risk loosing their job, not the ideal, but better than having annoyed and frustrated people out of work looking for a scapegoat. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? Yes and most of them look like complete fucktards You are not judging people on there looks or beliefs there are you? Not having a dig actually I agree just showing how easy people can judge others. " It's a basic survival instinct that all human have! Being racist is when you look at a smart asian and assume that they are stupid because they are asian. There's nothing racist about looking at a dumb asian and seeing a dumb asian. Likewise I'm looking at dumb white people and seeing dumb white people. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? I don't need the photos, I've been up close and personal. " Then you know what I'm talking about | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? Yes and most of them look like complete fucktards You are not judging people on there looks or beliefs there are you? Not having a dig actually I agree just showing how easy people can judge others. " To some extent we all judge a book by its cover, and to some extent it is useful. e.g, employers sometimes use how well dressed and healthy someone looks when they are really trying to sort out candidates for a job, after looking at who has the qualifications/experience for it. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I wouldn't say a career cures it, but being in full time work does help open peoples eyes to how most people all want the same fundamental things. At he ver least being in a big company means that people have to push down their sentiments else they risk loosing their job, not the ideal, but better than having annoyed and frustrated people out of work looking for a scapegoat. " Exactly, a black persons money has the same value as a white persons money. It's incredibly hard for successful business people to be racist because of this fact. Some of the world's richest people and countries are Arab and Asian so if you have a problem with them then someone who doesn't can make a lot more money than you! I find the biggest bigots are mainly unemployed or the rest are in organisations that don't have market forces to them out. | |||
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"I've lived in this country for 10 years 9 of it I served in the armed forces and the amount of racism I've experience is just shocking I've had people throw bananas out of moving cars at me I've had people shouting ni**er go home at me I used to wear Hoddies and Id get random people come up to me asking to sell them drugs ...walking to pubs and get the you don't belong here look i I don't drive in London at night now cuz almost every time I get pulled over ...all this while swearing the protect the very people who are doing this shit to me racism has always been here the problem is when someone shouts racism people from different races who have never experienced it says...stop playing the race card or let's integrate....it takes people from both sides to integrate and it's impossible to integrate with people who just don't like you or see you as equal ..maybe the immigrant is not the problem but the way the British looks at them You are the same age as my children and they've never experienced anything you have. "maybe they live in a different place I've spent most of time in Portsmouth | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me..." I'm saddened about this and I hope this is he last form of abuse your friend receives. Truth me told many of the Dutch, Italian, Spanish, French and German students and researchers I work with at the uni have been in or close to tears over the hate they have received. An Italian research assistant I'm friends with was told to "fuck off back to Italy and be a plumber there" on the bus into work. | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... I'm saddened about this and I hope this is he last form of abuse your friend receives. Truth me told many of the Dutch, Italian, Spanish, French and German students and researchers I work with at the uni have been in or close to tears over the hate they have received. An Italian research assistant I'm friends with was told to "fuck off back to Italy and be a plumber there" on the bus into work." It happens all the fucking time. We've had it long before BREXIT. There are too many fucktards in this country that get paid to sit on their arse and do nothing but blame everyone else for their problems. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I wouldn't say a career cures it, but being in full time work does help open peoples eyes to how most people all want the same fundamental things. At he ver least being in a big company means that people have to push down their sentiments else they risk loosing their job, not the ideal, but better than having annoyed and frustrated people out of work looking for a scapegoat. Exactly, a black persons money has the same value as a white persons money. It's incredibly hard for successful business people to be racist because of this fact. Some of the world's richest people and countries are Arab and Asian so if you have a problem with them then someone who doesn't can make a lot more money than you! I find the biggest bigots are mainly unemployed or the rest are in organisations that don't have market forces to them out. " Mmmm to a large extent true, though the issue comes when you apply for work in rural areas or in an independent business - eg, I have a Danish surname, yet when I was looking for my first couple of jobs (things like pulling pints, cleaning tables in pubs and bars around my local area) I was often told that my name didn't sound "English" enough - despite the fact that nobody would care about my surname who was being served, and I have a Yorkshire accent so nobody would be able to tell I'm not English. Obviously not all are like this, but there is discrimination to some extent. | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... I'm saddened about this and I hope this is he last form of abuse your friend receives. Truth me told many of the Dutch, Italian, Spanish, French and German students and researchers I work with at the uni have been in or close to tears over the hate they have received. An Italian research assistant I'm friends with was told to "fuck off back to Italy and be a plumber there" on the bus into work. It happens all the fucking time. We've had it long before BREXIT. There are too many fucktards in this country that get paid to sit on their arse and do nothing but blame everyone else for their problems. " Agreed heard and seen it before, I think now the issue is they feel as though they have a mandate to be more aggressive in their accusations and that is the problem. I feel a lot of people, British and migrants feel as though we are walking on eggshells - the Spanish research students told me today that they are looking to move out of their house due to having threatening messages put through their letter box. All it takes is one d*unk biggot to start acting on some of these threats and then more will follow suit, or potentially could. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. I think it's an inevitable consequence of the welfare state. A career is the best cure for racism. Really? Yes really. Do you think the average racist is above average intelligence, with a steady job and good prospects? Look at the bloody pictures of them, they are young, dumb chavs. With a few older ones thrown in to boot. I've met plenty of racist who work, at all levels. My first experience of them was being told that they couldn't employ me as I don't have the English Rose look needed for their firm. 35 years on I see it in a much more nuanced form. I see it with people who I know for a fact know better but still succumb to a culture that tolerates some level of inbuilt racism. Now I'm seeing people I thought I knew voicing racist and xenophobic comments that might well have come from the poorly educated in the past. They just say it enunciating the end consonants on their words. And have you ever seen a photo of a BNP or EDL rally? Yes and most of them look like complete fucktards You are not judging people on there looks or beliefs there are you? Not having a dig actually I agree just showing how easy people can judge others. " It's all in the eyes not how good looking or what colour someone is. | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more" I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. | |||
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"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... I'm saddened about this and I hope this is he last form of abuse your friend receives. Truth me told many of the Dutch, Italian, Spanish, French and German students and researchers I work with at the uni have been in or close to tears over the hate they have received. An Italian research assistant I'm friends with was told to "fuck off back to Italy and be a plumber there" on the bus into work." . It is very sad, but I think we're in danger of conflating two very different problems. Racism like most other isms exists in pretty much every country in the world and with every race..... This is a societal problem!. A sovereign country ruling itself, just like 190 odd others do has pretty much nothing at all to do with it, will a racist use it as an excuse, probably but then they use football as an excuse, flags, anthems, poverty, housing?. Now is there a genuine concern about the pressure of immigration on services, yes. If you throw one meal into a room with two starving people, you'd expect trouble, unfortunately that's just 25,000 years of human nature. Some society's develop a natural tendency of socialism because they prosper by cooperation however if you take away the ability to get benefit that cooperation gives, you go back to arguing and fighting. . . We've started to ask all the right questions, were just coming up with all the wrong answers at the moment, however it's start and quite frankly the world couldn't continue as it was. Evolve or die | |||
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"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. " Why so? | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... " What is it that's working? No, they just talk to eachother and maybe that's the problem. And what are you? Some kind of junkyist? | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... " I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so?" Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish " They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). " In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience " In all honesty, what would you have done if you were with your friend when she was getting abused? | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. " I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience In all honesty, what would you have done if you were with your friend when she was getting abused? " I would have told the prick to fuck off as he does not speak for everyone | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo" I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience In all honesty, what would you have done if you were with your friend when she was getting abused? I would have told the prick to fuck off as he does not speak for everyone " And then get into a shouting match? You can't reason with these people. It'll probably lead to violence and whilst an arrest can be enough for you to lose your job, they have nothing to lose. | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed." I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience In all honesty, what would you have done if you were with your friend when she was getting abused? I would have told the prick to fuck off as he does not speak for everyone And then get into a shouting match? You can't reason with these people. It'll probably lead to violence and whilst an arrest can be enough for you to lose your job, they have nothing to lose. " And if it's tolerated? Who's next? There's no point sitting around at home feeling maladjusted, you've got to make a stand. Or then the forces of intolerance win by default | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem " Probably right. I'm exasperated by people drowning in first world problems. I travel to poor countries a lot and the obsticles people have there are not even on the same scale. All those morons rioting have access to free education, access to free health care, a free dentist and welfare money that stops them starving. Yet they still feel like life is so fucking difficult. I'd either like a tax refund to take back all those public services and then they can justifiably riot. Or can we ship them over to a summer camp in Afghanistan so they can see what real problems look like? | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience In all honesty, what would you have done if you were with your friend when she was getting abused? I would have told the prick to fuck off as he does not speak for everyone And then get into a shouting match? You can't reason with these people. It'll probably lead to violence and whilst an arrest can be enough for you to lose your job, they have nothing to lose. And if it's tolerated? Who's next? There's no point sitting around at home feeling maladjusted, you've got to make a stand. Or then the forces of intolerance win by default " I'm not tolerating it, I'm saying they are beneath the level I feel required to respond to. It's like a dog barking angrily at you, it's just a dog. Try getting arrested on suspicion of assault a few times and it'll change your view of the merits from confrontation. | |||
"On my walk home, I often pass some junkies who inevitably ask for money. It's hard to put into words how much I detest junkies and I've found it very empowering to completely blank them. I don't look at them, don't acknowledge that they exist, won't reply to them however many times they talk to me. I'm wondering if the same strategy would work for racists... I worked with drugs, alcohol and mental health patients of various shades over 10 years in London. As much as you might detest them they are people. I'm not sure simply ignoring a problem makes it vanish They try to manipulate you into pitying them. It's empowering to rise above their emotional games. I'm saying that racists want to offend and in that sense it could empowering to show they can't offend (because their opinion isn't important enough to think about). In both cases the problem should be met head on, not ignored, in my experience In all honesty, what would you have done if you were with your friend when she was getting abused? I would have told the prick to fuck off as he does not speak for everyone And then get into a shouting match? You can't reason with these people. It'll probably lead to violence and whilst an arrest can be enough for you to lose your job, they have nothing to lose. And if it's tolerated? Who's next? There's no point sitting around at home feeling maladjusted, you've got to make a stand. Or then the forces of intolerance win by default I'm not tolerating it, I'm saying they are beneath the level I feel required to respond to. It's like a dog barking angrily at you, it's just a dog. Try getting arrested on suspicion of assault a few times and it'll change your view of the merits from confrontation. " No one's ever arrested me, although a few have tried
So what? Just put up with it? Let it go? Ignore it? Hope they won't do worse next time?
I've been threatened with knives and guns. I've had people try to fight me. I know how to handle myself in a crisis situation without losing my cool or being unsafe.
But I will not be cowed by ignorant bullies.
And as I say, who's next?
Muslims, immigrants, people you don't agree with... maybe the feckless poor?
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"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem Probably right. I'm exasperated by people drowning in first world problems. I travel to poor countries a lot and the obsticles people have there are not even on the same scale. All those morons rioting have access to free education, access to free health care, a free dentist and welfare money that stops them starving. Yet they still feel like life is so fucking difficult. I'd either like a tax refund to take back all those public services and then they can justifiably riot. Or can we ship them over to a summer camp in Afghanistan so they can see what real problems look like? " I have been to developing countries. I have seen poverty. I also know it exists here too. And no amount of dismissal will make that vanish. There is a widening gap between rich and poor, and telling people it's their own fault for not working hard enough is, as I say, Victorian | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem Probably right. I'm exasperated by people drowning in first world problems. I travel to poor countries a lot and the obsticles people have there are not even on the same scale. All those morons rioting have access to free education, access to free health care, a free dentist and welfare money that stops them starving. Yet they still feel like life is so fucking difficult. I'd either like a tax refund to take back all those public services and then they can justifiably riot. Or can we ship them over to a summer camp in Afghanistan so they can see what real problems look like? I have been to developing countries. I have seen poverty. I also know it exists here too. And no amount of dismissal will make that vanish. There is a widening gap between rich and poor, and telling people it's their own fault for not working hard enough is, as I say, Victorian " Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem Probably right. I'm exasperated by people drowning in first world problems. I travel to poor countries a lot and the obsticles people have there are not even on the same scale. All those morons rioting have access to free education, access to free health care, a free dentist and welfare money that stops them starving. Yet they still feel like life is so fucking difficult. I'd either like a tax refund to take back all those public services and then they can justifiably riot. Or can we ship them over to a summer camp in Afghanistan so they can see what real problems look like? I have been to developing countries. I have seen poverty. I also know it exists here too. And no amount of dismissal will make that vanish. There is a widening gap between rich and poor, and telling people it's their own fault for not working hard enough is, as I say, Victorian Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! " . Aspirations are tricky things....I think it's a bit like giving up smoking..... You can't force it on people but you can help them along the path once they've started the journey themselves | |||
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"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. " introduce her to fab, were a friendly bunch | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem Probably right. I'm exasperated by people drowning in first world problems. I travel to poor countries a lot and the obsticles people have there are not even on the same scale. All those morons rioting have access to free education, access to free health care, a free dentist and welfare money that stops them starving. Yet they still feel like life is so fucking difficult. I'd either like a tax refund to take back all those public services and then they can justifiably riot. Or can we ship them over to a summer camp in Afghanistan so they can see what real problems look like? I have been to developing countries. I have seen poverty. I also know it exists here too. And no amount of dismissal will make that vanish. There is a widening gap between rich and poor, and telling people it's their own fault for not working hard enough is, as I say, Victorian Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! . Aspirations are tricky things....I think it's a bit like giving up smoking..... You can't force it on people but you can help them along the path once they've started the journey themselves" The more you pander to their 'problems' the more of them they will realise they have. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can take out the back of the stable and shoot it if it won't drink. | |||
"I feel the sentiment, Lickety, but I don;t want this to descend into another argument. She's very upset. It's a sad gauge of the times. introduce her to fab, were a friendly bunch" I doubt even the you would get a verified meet ... | |||
" Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! " Child poverty is on the increase, saw some stats the other day but can't remember where. They're innocent victims in this. OP - sorry to hear that happened to your friend Joe. Don't people realise that many Brits live overseas too. Ignorance is the problem. I'm finding it very sad on the day they're remembering the start of the Battle of the Somme where countries United together that some people are behaving as they are. Sarah | |||
" Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! Child poverty is on the increase, saw some stats the other day but can't remember where. They're innocent victims in this. OP - sorry to hear that happened to your friend Joe. Don't people realise that many Brits live overseas too. Ignorance is the problem. I'm finding it very sad on the day they're remembering the start of the Battle of the Somme where countries United together that some people are behaving as they are. Sarah " CPAG and JRF both had something out this week. | |||
" Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! Child poverty is on the increase, saw some stats the other day but can't remember where. They're innocent victims in this. OP - sorry to hear that happened to your friend Joe. Don't people realise that many Brits live overseas too. Ignorance is the problem. I'm finding it very sad on the day they're remembering the start of the Battle of the Somme where countries United together that some people are behaving as they are. Sarah " I agree that children are innocent victims but here's an uncomfortable fact about life - there are parents who care more about feeding their own addictions than feeding their children. | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me..." Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.  | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that. "Sadly, it has been a two way street. As you know. | |||
"I've lived in this country for 10 years 9 of it I served in the armed forces and the amount of racism I've experience is just shocking I've had people throw bananas out of moving cars at me I've had people shouting ni**er go home at me I used to wear Hoddies and Id get random people come up to me asking to sell them drugs ...walking to pubs and get the you don't belong here look i I don't drive in London at night now cuz almost every time I get pulled over ...all this while swearing the protect the very people who are doing this shit to me racism has always been here the problem is when someone shouts racism people from different races who have never experienced it says...stop playing the race card or let's integrate....it takes people from both sides to integrate and it's impossible to integrate with people who just don't like you or see you as equal ..maybe the immigrant is not the problem but the way the British looks at them You are the same age as my children and they've never experienced anything you have. maybe they live in a different place I've spent most of time in Portsmouth "I don't doubt your experience, just my children never experienced it. My daughter moved from London to Portsmouth Harbour, she worked for an international organisation. It was on her journey back to Portsmouth Harbour where she met her future husband (white) returning to his ship. | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that. "That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side. It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
Sadly, it has been a two way street. As you know.
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"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
"could get worse, all the remain voters may move up to Scotland if Nicola succeeds, imagine all them foreign Englander's in Scotland, what could be worse
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"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
"It's funny when front page headline is "FTSE up 1.2%" - Errr that's called normal fluctuation! It goes up or down a percent most days!!! | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
could get worse, all the remain voters may move up to Scotland if Nicola succeeds, imagine all them foreign Englander's in Scotland, what could be worse
(joke incase some don't get it)"Lucky you | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
It's funny when front page headline is "FTSE up 1.2%" - Errr that's called normal fluctuation! It goes up or down a percent most days!!! "Just don't mention the pound!! | |||
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"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
It's funny when front page headline is "FTSE up 1.2%" - Errr that's called normal fluctuation! It goes up or down a percent most days!!!
Just don't mention the pound!!"You get these idiot journalists say "FTSE rises on speech by..." - how the fuck do you know that? Did they go round and sample the millions of transactions and ask people what made them trade at that specific point in time!!? CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION!! | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
It's funny when front page headline is "FTSE up 1.2%" - Errr that's called normal fluctuation! It goes up or down a percent most days!!!
Just don't mention the pound!!
You get these idiot journalists say "FTSE rises on speech by..." - how the fuck do you know that? Did they go round and sample the millions of transactions and ask people what made them trade at that specific point in time!!?
CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION!! "Well they can't get accurate results from polling, so I doubt journalists can be more accurate! But no doubt they will fall and rise next week, next year, during the next decade....=-O | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me..." Well her written English is much better than many on here | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
"Haven't you realised Yet the UK are still in the EU ..you cant be that naive to think the experts were talking about a vote they were talking about when the UK actually exits the EU all that's happened so far is the market reacting to public opinion .. | |||
"I'm not sure I feel like part of this country any more I've felt that way since the 2011 riots. Why so? Because it showed how many people here have absolutely no values. It's embarrassing to have them in a civilised country and I bet our taxes pay for most of their lifestyles. I thought the riots were an interesting social phenomenon. It goes back to Orwell's intro to Animal Farm when he writes that the genesis of the story came when he saw a small boy leading a carthorse down a country lane and thought, "How can such a small creature achieve dominion over such a large one?" The answer is, of course, because the horse is bred into servitude and is unaware of its strength. To extend the metaphor, during the 2011 riots it felt like the horse reared its head. I'm not condoning what they did. But again, as with the racist undertones in this country, it hints at an underclass, left behind by the promise of growth and progress. If you want to dismiss them as immoral, feckless and living off your tax dollars then fine. But the problem will remain and the debate will have moved no further forward than Victorian ideas of the 'undeserving poor'. Imo I just reject any notion that chavs stealing TV's and burning thingss have some higher Nobel purpose than opportunistic greed. I said I did not condone it. But your use of language like "chavs" is revealing. It is symptomatic of a problem Probably right. I'm exasperated by people drowning in first world problems. I travel to poor countries a lot and the obsticles people have there are not even on the same scale. All those morons rioting have access to free education, access to free health care, a free dentist and welfare money that stops them starving. Yet they still feel like life is so fucking difficult. I'd either like a tax refund to take back all those public services and then they can justifiably riot. Or can we ship them over to a summer camp in Afghanistan so they can see what real problems look like? I have been to developing countries. I have seen poverty. I also know it exists here too. And no amount of dismissal will make that vanish. There is a widening gap between rich and poor, and telling people it's their own fault for not working hard enough is, as I say, Victorian Nobody starves to death in this country!! It's not that they aren't working hard enough, they aren't working at all! . Aspirations are tricky things....I think it's a bit like giving up smoking..... You can't force it on people but you can help them along the path once they've started the journey themselves The more you pander to their 'problems' the more of them they will realise they have. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You can take out the back of the stable and shoot it if it won't drink. " I'm glad you're not a doctor | |||
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"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me... Intolerance, hatred, abuse and ignorance – these are all traits that are sadly still present in even the most liberal of people, but even sadder, they don’t recognise them as such. You only have to read the abusive comments on these forums directed against Leave voters to realise that.
That's because we are all racist xenophobic bigots on the Leave side.
It's all becoming rather hysterical now. With lots of the remain camp now focusing on accounts of racism, especially now the sky hasn't fallen in, the sun is still rising and setting and there has been no reports of the Four horsemen of the Apocalypse rocking up x
It's funny when front page headline is "FTSE up 1.2%" - Errr that's called normal fluctuation! It goes up or down a percent most days!!!
Just don't mention the pound!!
You get these idiot journalists say "FTSE rises on speech by..." - how the fuck do you know that? Did they go round and sample the millions of transactions and ask people what made them trade at that specific point in time!!?
CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION!! ". Most transactions are made by Autobots..... There just ordinary appliances waiting to take over the world | |||
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"And for the record, you people banging on about Brexit, press misrepresentation and all that other BS you use to tell yourself you're right... You have completely misunderstood the point of my post. I suggest you return to the beginning and read my friend's words. Breathe and think. That's all I ask. I'm off to fuck" That would be why you posted this on the politics forum then?! | |||
"And so the Brexit hijack arrives. "  | |||
"...was abused today by a youth at Elephant & Castle while she was on the phone to her sister. The guy told her to "speak in English now, 'cos we voted out". This is what she sent me..." Your post quoted above says it is all about Brexit | |||
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