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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Boris Johnson is out of the running to be PM!!
Whilst the lefties here probably won't be disappointed, trying reserving your judgement until you see the alternatives!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Boris Johnson is out of the running to be PM!!
Whilst the lefties here probably won't be disappointed, trying reserving your judgement until you see the alternatives!! "
Urgh, I reckon it will be Gove in the end. I reckon the tory party members will want a pro-brexit campaigner as their next leader.
Shame, I actually find May to be moderately okay. :P |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think any of them are fit for the job.
They just need a fall guy (person) in this instance - partly why Johnson won't take it imo."
fall guy for what? |
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
Only the foolhardy devoted brexiters..the rest of us realised he couldn't deliver on the pledges he was making ...."
once Cameron handed him the baby he dropped it..
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
Only the foolhardy devoted brexiters..the rest of us realised he couldn't deliver on the pledges he was making ....
once Cameron handed him the baby he dropped it..
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"Boris Johnson is out of the running to be PM!!
Whilst the lefties here probably won't be disappointed, trying reserving your judgement until you see the alternatives!! "
Bet it will be someone no one has heard of .best for the country and for the party ..its not about going one way or the other ..middle of the road Norway type deal looks more promising with each passing day |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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"I don't think any of them are fit for the job.
They just need a fall guy (person) in this instance - partly why Johnson won't take it imo.
fall guy for what?"
For the shit storm which will erupt when the EU cock Blocks The negotiations, the mass protests demanding a second referendum and the fall out with Scotland and NI |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Boris Johnson is out of the running to be PM!!
Whilst the lefties here probably won't be disappointed, trying reserving your judgement until you see the alternatives!!
Urgh, I reckon it will be Gove in the end. I reckon the tory party members will want a pro-brexit campaigner as their next leader.
Shame, I actually find May to be moderately okay. :P"
What do you like most about her, her awful track record as a minister or her general hatred of foreigners? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
He bloody well should! If you break it, you pay for it."
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Absolutely, I'm still fucking fuming over the cowardly childish actions of Cameron....i love this country I'd go anything for it.... But I'm off
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Your the PM man get a fucking grip, you might not like it but your paid to lead and lead you bloody should.
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I'm really sorry I didn't get the result how I'd have liked... However, this week i will invoke article 50 and next week I'm putting together the best team possible to negotiate our out terms and as soon as it's concluded I shall resign....
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That was what I should have heard |
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
He bloody well should! If you break it, you pay for it..
Absolutely, I'm still fucking fuming over the cowardly childish actions of Cameron....i love this country I'd go anything for it.... But I'm off
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Your the PM man get a fucking grip, you might not like it but your paid to lead and lead you bloody should.
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I'm really sorry I didn't get the result how I'd have liked... However, this week i will invoke article 50 and next week I'm putting together the best team possible to negotiate our out terms and as soon as it's concluded I shall resign....
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That was what I should have heard"
And all the brexiters should have been whining wrong man for the job ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
He bloody well should! If you break it, you pay for it..
Absolutely, I'm still fucking fuming over the cowardly childish actions of Cameron....i love this country I'd go anything for it.... But I'm off
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Your the PM man get a fucking grip, you might not like it but your paid to lead and lead you bloody should.
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I'm really sorry I didn't get the result how I'd have liked... However, this week i will invoke article 50 and next week I'm putting together the best team possible to negotiate our out terms and as soon as it's concluded I shall resign....
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That was what I should have heard
And all the brexiters should have been whining wrong man for the job ..."
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Who people want is irrelevant.
He's the PM , he should be grown up enough to see the will of the people through or don't bother fucking asking it in the first place |
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
He bloody well should! If you break it, you pay for it..
Absolutely, I'm still fucking fuming over the cowardly childish actions of Cameron....i love this country I'd go anything for it.... But I'm off
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Your the PM man get a fucking grip, you might not like it but your paid to lead and lead you bloody should.
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I'm really sorry I didn't get the result how I'd have liked... However, this week i will invoke article 50 and next week I'm putting together the best team possible to negotiate our out terms and as soon as it's concluded I shall resign....
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That was what I should have heard
And all the brexiters should have been whining wrong man for the job ....
Who people want is irrelevant.
He's the PM , he should be grown up enough to see the will of the people through or don't bother fucking asking it in the first place"
Fair point ...not exactly the will though .. Scotland and southern island being dictated to by the other two nations ..dont you think the government is in a no win situation ? That's why on hold the best situation for them .. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Did anyone seriously think he was ever going to stand?
He bloody well should! If you break it, you pay for it..
Absolutely, I'm still fucking fuming over the cowardly childish actions of Cameron....i love this country I'd go anything for it.... But I'm off
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Your the PM man get a fucking grip, you might not like it but your paid to lead and lead you bloody should.
.
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I'm really sorry I didn't get the result how I'd have liked... However, this week i will invoke article 50 and next week I'm putting together the best team possible to negotiate our out terms and as soon as it's concluded I shall resign....
.
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That was what I should have heard
And all the brexiters should have been whining wrong man for the job ....
Who people want is irrelevant.
He's the PM , he should be grown up enough to see the will of the people through or don't bother fucking asking it in the first place
Fair point ...not exactly the will though .. Scotland and southern island being dictated to by the other two nations ..dont you think the government is in a no win situation ? That's why on hold the best situation for them .."
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I think this whole thing is showing up exactly why we are where we are!.... there acting like self serving oligarchs who don't give a rat's arse about anything but the Tory party and what's good for them!.
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If there'd actually been willing to serve the people, which is what they get paid to do? I don't think we'd be in the shit were in |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Fact beats fiction 
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?"
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Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that! |
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!"
Or they haven't a clue what they are doing |
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!"
But why..?
the ftse 100 is ok, there's no worries at all..
disclaimer, according to some.. |
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"I don't think any of them are fit for the job.
They just need a fall guy (person) in this instance - partly why Johnson won't take it imo.
fall guy for what?"
Someone to take a hit if things aren't all rosy in the next few years. It was a poison chalice that Cameron very quickly passed on to the victim.
It's likely why Johnson isn't taking it, he'd prefer to wait it out until time's are better for him. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I don't think any of them are fit for the job.
They just need a fall guy (person) in this instance - partly why Johnson won't take it imo.
fall guy for what?
Someone to take a hit if things aren't all rosy in the next few years. It was a poison chalice that Cameron very quickly passed on to the victim.
It's likely why Johnson isn't taking it, he'd prefer to wait it out until time's are better for him. "
It'll hurt him though. I could have been prusauded to vote for him but if he won't even stand to lead us through the situation he created then I've lost any respect for him and would switch my vote as a matter of principle. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!
But why..?
the ftse 100 is ok, there's no worries at all..
disclaimer, according to some.. "
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Personally, I'm not worried about the markets in the slightest bit, they do what they do and 9 times out of 10 it's got nothing to do with what people think it has.... That being said most people panic like fuck and what we need now is less panic and more stability, markets have less volatility when they can roughly see where there going |
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I've been saying since during run-up to the referendum that it was held without sufficient preparation. An impartial government position on an exit strategy should have first been made.
It would have provided a clear rule book for what would happen, preventing any side or party making claims that were unfounded or lies. And it would have educated the electorate upon what was possible, as well as how this government would progress things.
What we got instead were people saying anything that sounded good but that they had no mandate for, to actually implement.. And a fact sheet could have been produced listing pertinent details, such as actual financial details of expenditure and income etc. We should have been given realistic expectations upon free movement and predicted outcomes following an exit, with trade deals.
Instead we got thrown into it and everyone did their own evaluation, based on spurious claims and often wishful thinking. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!"
You have to be joking. We need a plan before invoking anything. It matters to no one but the UK when Article 50 is invoked and it should only be invoked when there is a credible plan, set before Parliament and gets approval from both houses.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!
You have to be joking. We need a plan before invoking anything. It matters to no one but the UK when Article 50 is invoked and it should only be invoked when there is a credible plan, set before Parliament and gets approval from both houses.
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What credible plan do you want to see?.
We have absolutely no idea what the EU will offer until we invoke article 50 .... How can you have a plan for something you have no idea about.
You get two years minimum for negotiations, in that two years, things will sway one way or the other, all the UK government need to do is state there objectives of the negotiations, then invoke article 50 to start the negotiating.... That gives everybody breathing room because the path is at least set out even though it will more than likely deviate |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!
You have to be joking. We need a plan before invoking anything. It matters to no one but the UK when Article 50 is invoked and it should only be invoked when there is a credible plan, set before Parliament and gets approval from both houses.
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What credible plan do you want to see?.
We have absolutely no idea what the EU will offer until we invoke article 50 .... How can you have a plan for something you have no idea about.
You get two years minimum for negotiations, in that two years, things will sway one way or the other, all the UK government need to do is state there objectives of the negotiations, then invoke article 50 to start the negotiating.... That gives everybody breathing room because the path is at least set out even though it will more than likely deviate "
I don't think the government knows what objectives it has yet. The big issue will be free movement. Agreeing to free movement will leave all the little Englanders feeling betrayed.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!
You have to be joking. We need a plan before invoking anything. It matters to no one but the UK when Article 50 is invoked and it should only be invoked when there is a credible plan, set before Parliament and gets approval from both houses.
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What credible plan do you want to see?.
We have absolutely no idea what the EU will offer until we invoke article 50 .... How can you have a plan for something you have no idea about.
You get two years minimum for negotiations, in that two years, things will sway one way or the other, all the UK government need to do is state there objectives of the negotiations, then invoke article 50 to start the negotiating.... That gives everybody breathing room because the path is at least set out even though it will more than likely deviate
I don't think the government knows what objectives it has yet. The big issue will be free movement. Agreeing to free movement will leave all the little Englanders feeling betrayed.
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They'll have to be a compromise, you could have free movent of people but with no rights to anything, no right to reside, no house, no tax credits, no child benefit, no health care but in return say... You only pay a 5% tax rate?.
I dunno I'm just making that up off the top of my head but there's hundreds of ways to compromise |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!
You have to be joking. We need a plan before invoking anything. It matters to no one but the UK when Article 50 is invoked and it should only be invoked when there is a credible plan, set before Parliament and gets approval from both houses.
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What credible plan do you want to see?.
We have absolutely no idea what the EU will offer until we invoke article 50 .... How can you have a plan for something you have no idea about.
You get two years minimum for negotiations, in that two years, things will sway one way or the other, all the UK government need to do is state there objectives of the negotiations, then invoke article 50 to start the negotiating.... That gives everybody breathing room because the path is at least set out even though it will more than likely deviate
I don't think the government knows what objectives it has yet. The big issue will be free movement. Agreeing to free movement will leave all the little Englanders feeling betrayed.
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They'll have to be a compromise, you could have free movent of people but with no rights to anything, no right to reside, no house, no tax credits, no child benefit, no health care but in return say... You only pay a 5% tax rate?.
I dunno I'm just making that up off the top of my head but there's hundreds of ways to compromise "
You have to know what your opening gambit will be and where your red line is. I suspect these are entirely unknown at the moment. Plus, we don't have the level of skill or experience for these negotiations. We routinely send in quite junior people with the sort of hubris, that it's the UK so it should be ok, that the gods like to punish.
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"Fact beats fiction
Is Gove a plant from the Labour party ?.
Gove if anything, is at least taking the high ground, he's fallen out with Boris because Boris wanted the Norway deal and gove has said that's not what people voted for!.
What they need to do is invoke article 50 as soon as possible and by that I mean like tomorrow, we need a stability factor right now not in October, somebody, anybody needs to come out and state what the guide idea for negotiations are and let the market work from that!
You have to be joking. We need a plan before invoking anything. It matters to no one but the UK when Article 50 is invoked and it should only be invoked when there is a credible plan, set before Parliament and gets approval from both houses.
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What credible plan do you want to see?.
We have absolutely no idea what the EU will offer until we invoke article 50 .... How can you have a plan for something you have no idea about.
You get two years minimum for negotiations, in that two years, things will sway one way or the other, all the UK government need to do is state there objectives of the negotiations, then invoke article 50 to start the negotiating.... That gives everybody breathing room because the path is at least set out even though it will more than likely deviate
I don't think the government knows what objectives it has yet. The big issue will be free movement. Agreeing to free movement will leave all the little Englanders feeling betrayed.
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Why all the vote was in or out nothing else ..if people bought into the lies and rhetoric that's their fault .... |
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