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Rise in racist incidents

By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

It seems that there has been a rise in racist incidents since the referendum. These range from verbal abuse, racist posts on social media, graffiti, cards posted through immigrants' letter boxes.

Much of the media left, right, centre, international, national and local are claiming that this is due to the leave vote.

Now, clearly those who voted leave cannot all be rabid racists.

But, the question is, has the vote promoted or made it otherwise acceptable to be openly racist?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Probably

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

I don't accept the vote has promoted this, but I do think far too many people have blamed immigration for their own problems. In no way is is acceptable to be mysoginistic, racist, homophobic, xenophobic or bigoted based on this vote.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Probably "

Are we being more accepting of overt racism?

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By *ax1971Man over a year ago

St helens

I voted leave and I'm certainly no racist..but unfortunately we will always have idiots who take advantage of situations. X

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

deluded people easily back up their shitty ideas with crap. but yes i think so too.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I don't accept the vote has promoted this, but I do think far too many people have blamed immigration for their own problems. In no way is is acceptable to be mysoginistic, racist, homophobic, xenophobic or bigoted based on this vote."

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I voted leave and I'm certainly no racist..but unfortunately we will always have idiots who take advantage of situations. X"

This thread is not about pointing the finger at individuals and calling them racists.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours."

It would seem that a small minority think it has become acceptable and we all have a duty to shout it down and prevent it wherever we see it.

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By *lttattoocoupleCouple over a year ago

Worcester

It could potentially be no more than normal, just now being picked up by press.

However, it's disgusting behaviour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that there has been a rise in racist incidents since the referendum. These range from verbal abuse, racist posts on social media, graffiti, cards posted through immigrants' letter boxes.

Much of the media left, right, centre, international, national and local are claiming that this is due to the leave vote.

Now, clearly those who voted leave cannot all be rabid racists.

But, the question is, has the vote promoted or made it otherwise acceptable to be openly racist? "

I was in Waitrose earlier and saw first hand what this country is coming to.

In front of my eyes I watched an elderly northern working class pensioner choose a bag of white rice when he could have chosen brown long grain. Ricisim before my eyes?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you're a massive racist and voted leave you're probably now thinking "Wow, didn't realise there were so many people who thought like I did." That's not to say everyone who voted leave does think like that, but most racist people aren't very intelligent so I can see why THEY would think like that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes, it is post - brexit racism. It is all over the news.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours.

It would seem that a small minority think it has become acceptable and we all have a duty to shout it down and prevent it wherever we see it."

I think so too but it looks like people are 'accepting ' it and walking away.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"If you're a massive racist and voted leave you're probably now thinking "Wow, didn't realise there were so many people who thought like I did." That's not to say everyone who voted leave does think like that, but most racist people aren't very intelligent so I can see why THEY would think like that. "

Yup that's kind of what I'm getting at.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To the fanatical brain, as a nation, we have validated their thought process.

What did we expect ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There has been a rise in nationalism and xenophobia worldwide that was predicted by political scientists ages ago. You can see it throughout the western world. What it is a reaction to I will leave to individual interpretation.

Do I think the brexit vote made this more acceptable? Not really, but I think it gave a lot of this racist and xenophobic ideology in the UK direction and purpose.

I'll clarify that I'm NOT saying all leave voters are racist or xenophobic (it seems to be an easy way to dismiss this growing disturbing trend to argue that point). So I clarify, it is not that all leave voters are racist or xenophobic, but this whole debate opened a window for people who are to seize the conversation an push their own agendas.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I dont believe it has increased those that are racist havent become so over night its always been there.

At the moment its being sensationalised because of what happened.

Whether remain or leave supporter decent people are decent people

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By *eliz NelsonMan over a year ago

The Tantric Tea Shop

Despite the country's current problems and division, the only good that can come out, may be that incidents like this can help heal and pull folk together!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours.

It would seem that a small minority think it has become acceptable and we all have a duty to shout it down and prevent it wherever we see it.

I think so too but it looks like people are 'accepting ' it and walking away. "

Of course. Because all these fucking lefties have made smacking someone in the mouth a crime - even if they are being a twat.

I'd walk away from them now because if I didn't I'd sock them right in the jaw and apparently that's a crime now. Back in the good old days we could have a ruckus and walk off with a slapped wrist from a friendly Bobby on the beat. Doesn't work like that anymore...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There has been a rise in nationalism and xenophobia worldwide that was predicted by political scientists ages ago. You can see it throughout the western world. What it is a reaction to I will leave to individual interpretation.

Do I think the brexit vote made this more acceptable? Not really, but I think it gave a lot of this racist and xenophobic ideology in the UK direction and purpose.

Who predicted it? What was their outline logic for the rise?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's exactly this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's exactly this. "

Yeah I agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Do I think the brexit vote made this more acceptable? Not really, but I think it gave a lot of this racist and xenophobic ideology in the UK direction and purpose.

Who predicted it? What was their outline logic for the rise? "

I read really interesting articles about it years ago when the tea party was on the rise in the US. I'll ask Marc for the citations and send them to you.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Of course. Because all these fucking lefties have made smacking someone in the mouth a crime - even if they are being a twat.

Good grief. Is this a parody?

Yeah, punching someone in the face is a crime. Pretty sure it wasn't 'fucking lefties' that are soley responsible for that.

What happens when someone thinks you're the one being a twat, punches you, and the friendly bobby takes their side?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Of course. Because all these fucking lefties have made smacking someone in the mouth a crime - even if they are being a twat.

Good grief. Is this a parody?

Yeah, punching someone in the face is a crime. Pretty sure it wasn't 'fucking lefties' that are soley responsible for that.

What happens when someone thinks you're the one being a twat, punches you, and the friendly bobby takes their side?"

Then it's an awful miscarriage of justice but frankly it's better than the scenario we have now. Anyone in public services has been completely stripped of any discretionary decision making. Everything has to have a process, a form or a rule.

What you see now is that everything is "someone else's job". Well there are only so many police to go around so these things will become more and more common because nobody is willing to step in anymore and involve themselves with an injustice for fear they will come out of it worse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont believe it has increased those that are racist havent become so over night its always been there.

At the moment its being sensationalised because of what happened.

Whether remain or leave supporter decent people are decent people "
......well said.

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan over a year ago

Kent

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours."

Because they now think 52% of the voters agree with them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I wholeheartedldiy believe that the leave win has had a direct influence on the increased racisit behaviours

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By *uerido55Man over a year ago

Manchester

"It seems that there has been a rise in racist incidents since the referendum. These range from verbal abuse, racist posts on social media, graffiti, cards posted through immigrants' letter boxes.

Much of the media left, right, centre, international, national and local are claiming that this is due to the leave vote.

Now, clearly those who voted leave cannot all be rabid racists.

But, the question is, has the vote promoted or made it otherwise acceptable to be openly racist?

I was in Waitrose earlier and saw first hand what this country is coming to.

In front of my eyes I watched an elderly northern working class pensioner choose a bag of white rice when he could have chosen brown long grain. Ricisim before my eyes?"

Go get yer coat! lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wholeheartedldiy believe that the leave win has had a direct influence on the increased racisit behaviours "

But you're not biased or anything

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think it's exactly this. "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that there has been a rise in racist incidents since the referendum. These range from verbal abuse, racist posts on social media, graffiti, cards posted through immigrants' letter boxes.

Much of the media left, right, centre, international, national and local are claiming that this is due to the leave vote.

Now, clearly those who voted leave cannot all be rabid racists.

But, the question is, has the vote promoted or made it otherwise acceptable to be openly racist?

I was in Waitrose earlier and saw first hand what this country is coming to.

In front of my eyes I watched an elderly northern working class pensioner choose a bag of white rice when he could have chosen brown long grain. Ricisim before my eyes?"
I know, I've even heard people say they prefer white chocolate, I mean come on, it's 2015

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably

Are we being more accepting of overt racism? "
no, just racists are more confident I suppose, like most others have said on these threads

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Its because you can't call someone a racist now because they play the racist card

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its because you can't call someone a racist now because they play the racist card

You can't call me a racist, I listen to rap music

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its because you can't call someone a racist now because they play the racist card

You can't call me a racist, I listen to rap music "
do you identify as black like Rachel Dolezal?

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By *lik and PaulCouple over a year ago

Flagrante

The majority that voted to leave were in virtually every area of England so by definition not all in deprived areas. I deplore all vicious and vile remarks whether they are racist or because people voted one way or the other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wholeheartedldiy believe that the leave win has had a direct influence on the increased racisit behaviours

But you're not biased or anything "
no just stating my opinion in an open forum just like anyone else

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Its because you can't call someone a racist now because they play the racist card

You can't call me a racist, I listen to rap music do you identify as black like Rachel Dolezal?

Ha ha good one! I'm Tupac trapped in the body of pee-wee Herman

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wholeheartedldiy believe that the leave win has had a direct influence on the increased racisit behaviours

But you're not biased or anything no just stating my opinion in an open forum just like anyone else "

I believe it's an indirect relationship

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I wholeheartedldiy believe that the leave win has had a direct influence on the increased racisit behaviours

But you're not biased or anything no just stating my opinion in an open forum just like anyone else

I believe it's an indirect relationship "
that's your opinion so cherish it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As one of my friends said to me earlier it's not racist reasons I voted to leave I just think there is far too much money going to foreigners and they are more racist to my family we need to stop immigration now because these Muslims are taking over

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As one of my friends said to me earlier it's not racist reasons I voted to leave I just think there is far too much money going to foreigners and they are more racist to my family we need to stop immigration now because these Muslims are taking over

Yeah let's "send all the Muslims back to Islam" (ignoring the fact that most EU immigrants are Catholic)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seriously

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you're a "rabid racist" anything and everything encourages you to be racist, mainly because your thinking is all screwed up, your a bit nuts and you latch on to anything in the vain hope of empowering your nuttiness!.

People who can think rationally(most of us) are quite capable of taking about stuff and having an opinion without beating up a gay black transexual Muslim feminist on the way home from work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seriously

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my flabber is gassted

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"It could potentially be no more than normal, just now being picked up by press.

However, it's disgusting behaviour"

I can assure you it's not normal, but "some" people seem to have become emboldened.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you're a "rabid racist" anything and everything encourages you to be racist, mainly because your thinking is all screwed up, your a bit nuts and you latch on to anything in the vain hope of empowering your nuttiness!.

People who can think rationally(most of us) are quite capable of taking about stuff and having an opinion without beating up a gay black transexual Muslim feminist on the way home from work."

what about a disabled gay black transexual Muslim feminist?

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public."

A good reason FOR those laws.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours.

It would seem that a small minority think it has become acceptable and we all have a duty to shout it down and prevent it wherever we see it."

I see it more as a significant and vocal minority. And I'm not entirely certain of the 'minority' part of that sentence.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"I dont believe it has increased those that are racist havent become so over night its always been there.

At the moment its being sensationalised because of what happened.

Whether remain or leave supporter decent people are decent people "

I didn't say it has increased it. I asked if it had made it more 'acceptable'.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont believe it has increased those that are racist havent become so over night its always been there.

At the moment its being sensationalised because of what happened.

Whether remain or leave supporter decent people are decent people

I didn't say it has increased it. I asked if it had made it more 'acceptable'."

In the warped logic of a racist - yes it has (but that's an indirect cause and effect relationship)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws."

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

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By *etitesaraTV/TS over a year ago

rochdale

My French-Algerian colleague was abused by his neighbour on Friday afternoon, who demanded to know why he was still here as "we voted you out". Neighbour then called the police to have him arrested and evicted.

Of course, the neighbour is unbalanced but the leave result has enabled & emboldened the racists, this is plainly obvious.

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well."

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont believe it has increased those that are racist havent become so over night its always been there.

At the moment its being sensationalised because of what happened.

Whether remain or leave supporter decent people are decent people

I didn't say it has increased it. I asked if it had made it more 'acceptable'."
oh sorry I change that into ur words then a rise in racist incidents

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"My French-Algerian colleague was abused by his neighbour on Friday afternoon, who demanded to know why he was still here as "we voted you out". Neighbour then called the police to have him arrested and evicted.

Of course, the neighbour is unbalanced but the leave result has enabled & emboldened the racists, this is plainly obvious."

I would have gone with "I'm still here because someone has to fuck your ugly moma"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country. "

What are you saying? That immigrants don't cause cancer?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country. "

i think that freedom more applies to things like whistle blowing and exposing corruption. not opinions on kim kardashians arse or promoting hate crimes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I voted out!!!

I think it's disgusting behaviour of a minority who have chosen the referendum to openly be Racist for their cause what ever that may be Just like a minority chose to be a terrorist.

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By *orn_ball11Man over a year ago

Portrush

No room for racism in this day of age... some people stuck in past... no excuse sad times that there's still so much around us... Pathetic narrow minds I say!!!

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People who can think rationally(most of us) are quite capable of taking about stuff and having an opinion without beating up a gay black transexual Muslim feminist on the way home from work.

what about a disabled gay black transexual Muslim feminist?"
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Leave my nan out of this!

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Facebook as warned people about racist comments but this should be our police doing this, The bright sparks who opted to leave never thought of the consequences their actions would bring to foreign people living here.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country. "

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. "
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What do you suggest?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whoaaa ... back the bus up a bit here folks.

There have, very sadly, been racist attacks and grafiti against many different ethnic people for years. I will dig out a local report of an attack on a Polish newsagents recently near here.

I find it quite offensive to have people infer because I campaigned for Vote Leave I am somehow responsible? How so? What has happened is some idiots have seen an excuse to do today / yesterday what they planned before the referendum and the media are looking for every tit bit and morsel to play to whatever their bias is. The BBC will play out the racial stuff because it was anti-leave. I can assure everyone that no Vote Leave literature was in ANY way racist or encouraged racist behaviour. Had it done so I would have left it alone.

It is prettyu desperate times when the acts of a few, very few, idiots are portrayed as the acts of those who voted Leave. Now I can easily blame Osborne for making the economic impacts we are seeing now worse than they needed to be as it is now a self fulfilling prophecy. But I would never say he CAUSED it.

I guess no one remembers the Brixton riots because the black people there felt racially abused, ignored and under represented. The EU Referendum was a peaceful, but equally as dramatic, version of those riots because the same sentiments came out on the doorstep time and time again. "Too many immigrants, no one of the elite is listening to us and when they do they call us racists. So F**k you EU" ....

I am not a racist and I am appalled at the racist acts. But I am not surprised we are now being blamed because when I was saying back in 2005 we had opened the door to too many people I was called a f**king racist bastard back then. By a Labour MP. Same shit different day.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Racism will never go away but the referendum result has definitely given confidence to the idiots to speak their mind openly.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?"

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Whoaaa ... back the bus up a bit here folks.

There have, very sadly, been racist attacks and grafiti against many different ethnic people for years. I will dig out a local report of an attack on a Polish newsagents recently near here.

Oh well, hard cheese.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control. "

What do you mean the crowds under control? Seriously is a few random idiots not hundreds that have chosen to behave in such a way.

And no doubt the police will make arrests once the said idiots have been found.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

of course not all leavers are racist that would be a stupid and horrible thing to think .but all rasists now think 52% of the population agree with them !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters. "
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Could you explain how they differ at the moment!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I still think the leave win is directly a result in increased racist incidents as it seems to have given the racist minority a platform to conduct their hatred

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully. "

Why should they? They are not racist and they never encouraged racism. In fact quite the opposite but I guess as you never listened to them you never heard. You didn't like the result and you are now looking to make every little thing you can drag up 'Leave's fault'. That is pretty sad really.

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

I agree. But how would you account for the evident rise in overtly racist behaviours.

Because they now think 52% of the voters agree with them."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whoaaa ... back the bus up a bit here folks.

There have, very sadly, been racist attacks and grafiti against many different ethnic people for years. I will dig out a local report of an attack on a Polish newsagents recently near here.

Oh well, hard cheese. "

Its always good to see people getting into the detail and points of a debate. Paying attention to what people are contributing and all that. You know showing their intelligence .... Or in your case lack of same ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably "

Bit of a bold statement

Firstly controlling migration isn't about race, it's actually more equal access to the UK

All people no matter they come from will be treated the same, so Americans and EU national now treated equal

Most Europeans here are white, most blacks and Asians aren't from he EU

Funnily most people complain about migration but a lot aren't even from the EU so this vote has no immediate impact on their numbers

Just because a referendum says we want to leave EU doesn't justify or stimulate these attacks

I would say they are being flagged more proactively due to the nature and timing of the events

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

So we are all racists then? OK we get that ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably

Bit of a bold statement

Firstly controlling migration isn't about race, it's actually more equal access to the UK

All people no matter they come from will be treated the same, so Americans and EU national now treated equal

Most Europeans here are white, most blacks and Asians aren't from he EU

Funnily most people complain about migration but a lot aren't even from the EU so this vote has no immediate impact on their numbers

Just because a referendum says we want to leave EU doesn't justify or stimulate these attacks

I would say they are being flagged more proactively due to the nature and timing of the events "

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whoaaa ... back the bus up a bit here folks.

There have, very sadly, been racist attacks and grafiti against many different ethnic people for years. I will dig out a local report of an attack on a Polish newsagents recently near here.

Oh well, hard cheese.

To be honest, you have lost any moral high ground you had by making it personal. The second you do that you have lost the argument in my books

Refrain from insults and people may listen to you

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control.

What do you mean the crowds under control? Seriously is a few random idiots not hundreds that have chosen to behave in such a way.

And no doubt the police will make arrests once the said idiots have been found. "

Not a few but hundreds of comments abuse & threats but no arrests to make an example of their crimes.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters. .

Could you explain how they differ at the moment!."

For a start they have a regulator that isn't themselves!

Secondly there is a framework to protect against inciting, suggesting, demagoguery and derogatory, where there is no proper context or balance given.

Good Morning Britain couldn't lead with talking points like The Sun headlines without getting into trouble.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control.

What do you mean the crowds under control? Seriously is a few random idiots not hundreds that have chosen to behave in such a way.

And no doubt the police will make arrests once the said idiots have been found.

Not a few but hundreds of comments abuse & threats but no arrests to make an example of their crimes."

Brexiters won't stand for that.

Human rights and hate crimes are political correctness gone mad to them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Oh well, hard cheese.

To be honest, you have lost any moral high ground you had by making it personal. The second you do that you have lost the argument in my books

Refrain from insults and people may listen to you "

Forgive my sensitivity in all this but it feels like people are calling me and people like me racist. And when I take the time to give a detailed response I am told 'hard cheese'. Like its 'nothing'. Well being called a racist is not 'nothing'. It IS personal. And unintelligent. I responded to the statement made not the person.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control.

What do you mean the crowds under control? Seriously is a few random idiots not hundreds that have chosen to behave in such a way.

And no doubt the police will make arrests once the said idiots have been found.

Not a few but hundreds of comments abuse & threats but no arrests to make an example of their crimes."

But that not everyone who voted out, its a minority of those who voted out.

Those who have made comments instigated threats etc deserve to be punished however not the people who thought they made the right choice based on there own opinion.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion weather we agree or not yet many leavers are being abused too called ignorant, rascist, xenophobic etc that too is also abuse which shouldn't happen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably

Bit of a bold statement

Firstly controlling migration isn't about race, it's actually more equal access to the UK

All people no matter they come from will be treated the same, so Americans and EU national now treated equal

Most Europeans here are white, most blacks and Asians aren't from he EU

Funnily most people complain about migration but a lot aren't even from the EU so this vote has no immediate impact on their numbers

Just because a referendum says we want to leave EU doesn't justify or stimulate these attacks

I would say they are being flagged more proactively due to the nature and timing of the events "

I don't understand your point as I would argue most blacks here are from Europe. Well I am and many of us were born here. Same for alot of Asians - granted 2nd or 3rd generation but they are still European

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The whole campaign became about immigration which far right groups jumped on as a platform to twist to fit to their own ideology and this is what's fuelled the racist attacks in my opinion. There is clearly a simmering undercurrent of people who's beliefs aligned with this and it was only when the leave campaign won then felt that they could be open about how they felt. It's always been there and working with minority groups I've had to challenge that a lot. These overtly racist individuals are a minority but now naively feel they have the backing of 17 million others. It's disgusting and I can only say if you experience it in any way report it!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Possibly a rise in reported,real or otherwise,as this would support the current londoncentric,everyone in rest of countrys thick,current media narrative?

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By *imjohnCouple over a year ago

Clacton on sea, Essex

"The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control.

What do you mean the crowds under control? Seriously is a few random idiots not hundreds that have chosen to behave in such a way.

And no doubt the police will make arrests once the said idiots have been found.

Not a few but hundreds of comments abuse & threats but no arrests to make an example of their crimes.

Brexiters won't stand for that.

Human rights and hate crimes are political correctness gone mad to them. "

Brexiters have inadvertently caused this even though most did not vote for this reason, we have had friends spat at & told quite openly in public to fuck off back home because of this but no prior action was taken by councils/police to counteract this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Oh well, hard cheese.

To be honest, you have lost any moral high ground you had by making it personal. The second you do that you have lost the argument in my books

Refrain from insults and people may listen to you

No you didn't, you stated the person lacked intelligence

Just need to learn that some people will never listen to your side of the story

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Probably

Bit of a bold statement

Firstly controlling migration isn't about race, it's actually more equal access to the UK

All people no matter they come from will be treated the same, so Americans and EU national now treated equal

Most Europeans here are white, most blacks and Asians aren't from he EU

Funnily most people complain about migration but a lot aren't even from the EU so this vote has no immediate impact on their numbers

Just because a referendum says we want to leave EU doesn't justify or stimulate these attacks

I would say they are being flagged more proactively due to the nature and timing of the events

I'm not sure that's the case, most are from the Caribbean and mainland Africa

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The whole campaign became about immigration which far right groups jumped on as a platform to twist to fit to their own ideology and this is what's fuelled the racist attacks in my opinion. There is clearly a simmering undercurrent of people who's beliefs aligned with this and it was only when the leave campaign won then felt that they could be open about how they felt. It's always been there and working with minority groups I've had to challenge that a lot. These overtly racist individuals are a minority but now naively feel they have the backing of 17 million others. It's disgusting and I can only say if you experience it in any way report it!!"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The government don't seem to be doing anything about the trouble its caused with its leave policy, racism & abuse has risen by a massive percentage yet no one is acting on it.

Police should be seen actively arresting racist people to get the crowds back under control.

What do you mean the crowds under control? Seriously is a few random idiots not hundreds that have chosen to behave in such a way.

And no doubt the police will make arrests once the said idiots have been found.

Not a few but hundreds of comments abuse & threats but no arrests to make an example of their crimes.

Brexiters won't stand for that.

Human rights and hate crimes are political correctness gone mad to them.

How does your behaviour on here differ from those who have been disgusting and abused your friends??.

I'm a brexiter, I find it hugely insulting your tarring me with the same brush as those who choose to be rascist as I'm the most least rascist person.

I couldn't give a flying fuck about the colour, race, religion of anyone.

as a previous poster said those who choose to remain are just as bad throwing insults and abuse around.

Everyone needs to get a grip the desission is made everyone needs to pull together to make the situation work for everyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters. .

Could you explain how they differ at the moment!.

For a start they have a regulator that isn't themselves!

Secondly there is a framework to protect against inciting, suggesting, demagoguery and derogatory, where there is no proper context or balance given.

Good Morning Britain couldn't lead with talking points like The Sun headlines without getting into trouble. "
.

Oh, so when Owen Jones walked off sky news for accusing them of taking things out of context, he was talking shit?.

Inciting demagoguery and derogatory!!!!... Hardly rounding up Jews is it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe "

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters. .

Could you explain how they differ at the moment!.

For a start they have a regulator that isn't themselves!

Secondly there is a framework to protect against inciting, suggesting, demagoguery and derogatory, where there is no proper context or balance given.

Good Morning Britain couldn't lead with talking points like The Sun headlines without getting into trouble. .

Oh, so when Owen Jones walked off sky news for accusing them of taking things out of context, he was talking shit?.

Inciting demagoguery and derogatory!!!!... Hardly rounding up Jews is it?"

I didn't realise rounding up Jews was the benchmark.

The fact that Owen Jones was there, and there were 2 sides of the story being debated, is standard practice in broadcasting. It's not standard practice in the newspapers.

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By *inky BunnyMan over a year ago

Cardiff

Nothing should be taken at face value.

It seems that we have some highly educated racists, who are able to translate their "Go Home" messages into fluent Polish and Bengali!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian! "

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

"Nothing should be taken at face value.

It seems that we have some highly educated racists, who are able to translate their "Go Home" messages into fluent Polish and Bengali!

Are you saying Polish people and Bengals are behind their own attacks.

Reminds me of something...

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

I think it's exactly this.

Yeah I agree "

I don't agree. There are gullible people who aren't very bright and find themselves lead down a xenophobic, racist route but the real racist are far from stupid. Their plan is to sow discontent, dissatisfaction and division between people. They have been active in the BREXIT campaign and this is not the last we will see of them. If you think a few racists, stupid thugs are the real problem you're seriously underestimating it, they are not the problem, they are merely the symptom.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians "

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?"

Orientals

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By *yrdwomanWoman over a year ago

Putting the 'cum' in Eboracum

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?"

Asians until they get across the Himalayas, then Oriental.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is as much evidence that these instances of racism are being stirred up by remain voter "agent provocateurs" as there is that they're being perpetrated by leave voters. None.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"There is as much evidence that these instances of racism are being stirred up by remain voter "agent provocateurs" as there is that they're being perpetrated by leave voters. None."

Where can we find this evidence?

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By *ane DTV/TS over a year ago

Glasgow (for now)

[Quote]Hardly rounding up Jews is it?[/Quote.]

Thin edge of the wedge. Both leave and Yes in the last 2 ref's played to the nugget of xenophobia the lies buried deep in the hearts of all of us.

They used soft words to push their agendas, nothing too overt just the soft silent drip of 'it's their fault", "it will all be better when we take back control", honeyed words hiding a message of division and distrust.

When you play with the basest of fears, don't expect a beauty to appear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?

Asians until they get across the Himalayas, then Oriental."

Eugh too many syllables

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By *enard ArgenteMan over a year ago

London and France

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?

Asians until they get across the Himalayas, then Oriental."

Asia starts at the Bosphorus.

And extends east to end at Australasia and the Behring straights

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

So you don't think that saying "Turkey is about to join the EU and that will mean 75 million Muslims will have the right to come and live and work in Britain" is not pandering to both Islamophobia and racism?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

I saw/heard plenty of scaremongering.

How do you know they're not racist? Do you know them personally?

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters. .

Could you explain how they differ at the moment!.

For a start they have a regulator that isn't themselves!

Secondly there is a framework to protect against inciting, suggesting, demagoguery and derogatory, where there is no proper context or balance given.

Good Morning Britain couldn't lead with talking points like The Sun headlines without getting into trouble. .

Oh, so when Owen Jones walked off sky news for accusing them of taking things out of context, he was talking shit?.

Inciting demagoguery and derogatory!!!!... Hardly rounding up Jews is it?"

Demagogue: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason.

I wonder who, in the referendum, that could apply to?

But I'm not sure you can actually incite demagoguery. Demagoguery and the demagogues who use it are the ones who do the incitement, in this case to racism.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"Nothing should be taken at face value.

It seems that we have some highly educated racists, who are able to translate their "Go Home" messages into fluent Polish and Bengali!

You don't have to be too clever to use google translate.

Idz do domu - Polish

??????? ???? - Bengali

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Nothing should be taken at face value.

It seems that we have some highly educated racists, who are able to translate their "Go Home" messages into fluent Polish and Bengali!

You don't have to be too clever to use google translate.

Nor to type with a hood on.

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By *nleashedCrakenMan over a year ago

Widnes

"[Quote]Hardly rounding up Jews is it?[/Quote.]

Thin edge of the wedge. Both leave and Yes in the last 2 ref's played to the nugget of xenophobia the lies buried deep in the hearts of all of us.

When you play with the basest of fears, don't expect a beauty to appear."

This

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"it's horrible to think that many people haven't changed and all that laws did about racism was to hide it and make it unacceptable in public.

A good reason FOR those laws.

yeah i think so as well. shame they don't apply to the media as well.

I'm amazed that the likes of The Mail has got away with so much.

On the other hand, freedom of the press is an essential element of a free country.

Freedom of the press is one thing.

Salaciousness and shit stirring is quite another.

Rags like the Mail seem to feel there's no difference.

The problem is they are never held to account. .

What do you suggest?

Have newspapers held to the same standard as broadcasters. .

Could you explain how they differ at the moment!.

For a start they have a regulator that isn't themselves!

Secondly there is a framework to protect against inciting, suggesting, demagoguery and derogatory, where there is no proper context or balance given.

Good Morning Britain couldn't lead with talking points like The Sun headlines without getting into trouble. .

Oh, so when Owen Jones walked off sky news for accusing them of taking things out of context, he was talking shit?.

Inciting demagoguery and derogatory!!!!... Hardly rounding up Jews is it?

Demagogue: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason.

I wonder who, in the referendum, that could apply to?

Every single one of them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?

Asians until they get across the Himalayas, then Oriental.

Asia starts at the Bosphorus.

And extends east to end at Australasia and the Behring straights

No, the levant and Middle East starts there, then Central Asia, then the orient

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying "

Scare story, not going to happen! You are supposed to be smart, don't spread such horseshit!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?

Asians until they get across the Himalayas, then Oriental.

Eugh too many syllables "

Is that an admission of defeat?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

Scare story, not going to happen! You are supposed to be smart, don't spread such horseshit!"

I am Smart, not saying it will happen. But the thought of it is worrying

Like atomic war

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Asian's comes from Indian, not Europe

I thought Japanese people were from Japan but apparently it's Indian!

Americans call Japaenes asian's but in the UK it generally refers to Indians

All the Brits I know would call a Japanese Asian but hey ho.

So what are the rest of Asia called then?

Asians until they get across the Himalayas, then Oriental.

Eugh too many syllables

Is that an admission of defeat?

See above...

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By *iamondjoeMan over a year ago

Glastonbury

"The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying "

Where do I even start?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've noticed people say: I'm not a racist but, when they obviously are. I'm calling people out when they use that term to me. What we forget is: 2 million Brits work abroad and if we aren't careful we will reap what we sow.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I've noticed people say: I'm not a racist but, when they obviously are. I'm calling people out when they use that term to me. What we forget is: 2 million Brits work abroad and if we aren't careful we will reap what we sow."

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

Where do I even start?"

Normally at the beginning and go from there

Pretty easy statement

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

Scare story, not going to happen! You are supposed to be smart, don't spread such horseshit!

I am Smart, not saying it will happen. But the thought of it is worrying

Like atomic war "

If you are smart, then you look at the risk and consider it. Turkey is not even in the top 100 risks we face as a nation. Stop spreading this xenophobic bullshit.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back "

Does everyone want to come back to a recession? And is it really? I am not sure our stats are correct.

The current hate crime is wrong and cowardly.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back "

You should join the next repatriation demonstration.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

Scare story, not going to happen! You are supposed to be smart, don't spread such horseshit!

I am Smart, not saying it will happen. But the thought of it is worrying

Like atomic war

If you are smart, then you look at the risk and consider it. Turkey is not even in the top 100 risks we face as a nation. Stop spreading this xenophobic bullshit."

How is it xenophobic - I couldn't care less what race or country it is

The fact we can give 75 million people the right to come here, of which 98% are rather poor compared to us is worrying

It's simple numbers

Also, how do you know top 200 threats?

I would say mass migration is a major threat. And has impact on social stability

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You should join the next repatriation demonstration. "

Couldn't care less, just making the point that your point is pointless

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

Does everyone want to come back to a recession? And is it really? I am not sure our stats are correct.

The current hate crime is wrong and cowardly. "

Agreed, crime is wrong

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back "

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You should join the next repatriation demonstration.

Couldn't care less, just making the point that your point is pointless "

I sort out a nice St George's flag and do you a flask of tea to take with you.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong."

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

2. The point was if we push for repatriation so will others and 2 million Brits end up back here,cry point was so what. It's either net neutral or means population shrinks. It's not a worry or negative impact

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

Scare story, not going to happen! You are supposed to be smart, don't spread such horseshit!

I am Smart, not saying it will happen. But the thought of it is worrying

Like atomic war

If you are smart, then you look at the risk and consider it. Turkey is not even in the top 100 risks we face as a nation. Stop spreading this xenophobic bullshit.

How is it xenophobic - I couldn't care less what race or country it is

The fact we can give 75 million people the right to come here, of which 98% are rather poor compared to us is worrying

It's simple numbers

Also, how do you know top 200 threats?

I would say mass migration is a major threat. And has impact on social stability "

Only when we act like racist twats towards them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You should join the next repatriation demonstration.

Couldn't care less, just making the point that your point is pointless

I sort out a nice St George's flag and do you a flask of tea to take with you. "

Fresh mint tea please, also please remove yourself from your self imposed Ivory tower

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You should join the next repatriation demonstration.

Couldn't care less, just making the point that your point is pointless

I sort out a nice St George's flag and do you a flask of tea to take with you. "

The flag isn't racist btw.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes I think it is to blame.

It would be right to have those leaders who were campaigning against immigration, or using it as a major component of their campaign, to come out and denounce these attacks clearly and forcefully.

The fact that 75 million people from a poor country could come here scares me, who cares if they are Turkish and Muslim - the fact they are poor and not westernised is worrying

Scare story, not going to happen! You are supposed to be smart, don't spread such horseshit!

I am Smart, not saying it will happen. But the thought of it is worrying

Like atomic war

If you are smart, then you look at the risk and consider it. Turkey is not even in the top 100 risks we face as a nation. Stop spreading this xenophobic bullshit.

How is it xenophobic - I couldn't care less what race or country it is

The fact we can give 75 million people the right to come here, of which 98% are rather poor compared to us is worrying

It's simple numbers

Also, how do you know top 200 threats?

I would say mass migration is a major threat. And has impact on social stability

Only when we act like racist twats towards them."

So if 7.5 million people of whatever race etc come to this country we could cope with that?

Just sheer numbers on Uk infrastructure will kill us

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You should join the next repatriation demonstration.

Couldn't care less, just making the point that your point is pointless

I sort out a nice St George's flag and do you a flask of tea to take with you.

Fresh mint tea please, also please remove yourself from your self imposed Ivory tower "

You can repatriate me from it!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Many will go work elsewhere in the world. Dubai seems popular amongst doctors and I don't blame them.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It seems that there has been a rise in racist incidents since the referendum. These range from verbal abuse, racist posts on social media, graffiti, cards posted through immigrants' letter boxes.

Much of the media left, right, centre, international, national and local are claiming that this is due to the leave vote.

Now, clearly those who voted leave cannot all be rabid racists.

But, the question is, has the vote promoted or made it otherwise acceptable to be openly racist? "

No. Its the media stirring up shit and lying for a change.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Witnessed by me in the pub tonight

Several England fans throwing some Indians out of the pub - calling the Indians "pakis" FFS and to go home, Indians looked like businessmen on a visit to the country.

By the end of the game they were fighting each other

England, England, England

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title..."

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"Witnessed by me in the pub tonight

Several England fans throwing some Indians out of the pub - calling the Indians "pakis" FFS and to go home, Indians looked like businessmen on a visit to the country.

By the end of the game they were fighting each other

England, England, England

That can't be true. It's the media stirring things up.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me "

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

These idiots probably did not even vote,but lets now have some good British law and lock them up,no soft euro law(I wish).I know it will not happen

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point "

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

"These idiots probably did not even vote,but lets now have some good British law and lock them up,no soft euro law(I wish).I know it will not happen"

You mean like our Human Rights Act? Umm ok.

I bet they did vote.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request "

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

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By *ancyDrewWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

if you see racism, call it. We all have a part to play in this. Don't ignore it, call it. Record it on your phone if you can. Stand side by side with whoever is on the receiving end of racist abuse. Call the police.

This is the only way forward.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"if you see racism, call it. We all have a part to play in this. Don't ignore it, call it. Record it on your phone if you can. Stand side by side with whoever is on the receiving end of racist abuse. Call the police.

This is the only way forward. "

Totally agree

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance."

I'm busy, feel free to google it yourself

Easy to find numbers of EU people here and Brotish people in EU

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is the only way forward.

Totally agree

Yup. The rise of iPhone policing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

And so didnt Farge and his cohorts...its a myth..these people play on others fears

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

I'm busy, feel free to google it yourself

Easy to find numbers of EU people here and Brotish people in EU "

Glad your busy, shame you can't be bothered to stand up for your views

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By *ancyDrewWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

This is the only way forward.

Totally agree

Yup. The rise of iPhone policing "

Apologies if am picking this up wrong, but you sound like this is a bad thing?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

And so didnt Farge and his cohorts...its a myth..these people play on others fears

I was actually arguing against the remain scaremongering which stated we would have to take back all the English from EU

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is the only way forward.

Totally agree

Yup. The rise of iPhone policing

Apologies if am picking this up wrong, but you sound like this is a bad thing?"

No, yup is an agreement that it's the right thing to do

Why so negative?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

I'm busy, feel free to google it yourself

Easy to find numbers of EU people here and Brotish people in EU

Glad your busy, shame you can't be bothered to stand up for your views"

I can, but I am not here to educate the less knowledge about the facts of life

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

This is the only way forward.

Totally agree

Yup. The rise of iPhone policing

Apologies if am picking this up wrong, but you sound like this is a bad thing?

No, yup is an agreement that it's the right thing to do

Why so negative?"

So paint a picture of how the world (from UK eyes) will get better in the next 5 years...

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By *anchestercubMan over a year ago

manchester & NI

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

I'm busy, feel free to google it yourself

Easy to find numbers of EU people here and Brotish people in EU

Glad your busy, shame you can't be bothered to stand up for your views

I can, but I am not here to educate the less knowledge about the facts of life "

Facts of life?

They're on Fab, I think they're good!

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

I'm busy, feel free to google it yourself

Easy to find numbers of EU people here and Brotish people in EU

Glad your busy, shame you can't be bothered to stand up for your views

I can, but I am not here to educate the less knowledge about the facts of life "

Evidence?

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By *ancyDrewWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

Like I said, I apologised for not understanding that you were in agreement! No negativity.

There is a view that "we shouldn't be doing the job of the police" which is nonsense.

Now more than ever we all have to stand together.

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By *horehouseCouple over a year ago

dissatisfied

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

And so didnt Farge and his cohorts...its a myth..these people play on others fears

I was actually arguing against the remain scaremongering which stated we would have to take back all the English from EU "

If a baroness saw it was a xenophobic campaign and switched from leave to remain camp how come the rest stuck with supporting such policies

https://www.bebee.com/buzz/618855

Now supporting racist campaign makes you no better than them ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

And so didnt Farge and his cohorts...its a myth..these people play on others fears

I was actually arguing against the remain scaremongering which stated we would have to take back all the English from EU

If a baroness saw it was a xenophobic campaign and switched from leave to remain camp how come the rest stuck with supporting such policies

https://www.bebee.com/buzz/618855

Now supporting racist campaign makes you no better than them ..."

And you do everything a baroness tells you? Do you doff your cap at her?

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By *B9 Queen OP Woman over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Could we keep the immigration talk out of it.

This is whether the leave vote has, in some people's views, made racism acceptable.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Still less than migrants working here

Happy to swap them back

You are getting very close to being racist dude, don't give us the financial rational, what you are saying is totally wrong.

Please see my above point

A. It's not racist, it's not about race and at no point have I been racist

Before you defame people please confirm you understand what a bold statement like that means

Maybe you should pull your neck back in and look at this from other people's perspective. What we read might be different to what you mean, but on the face of it you are moving close to the title...

Pull my neck in? Are you a patronising old person?

If you struggle to understand an articulate point don't blame me

Does that make you a patronising young person, or just wrong?

Makes me smart and on point

I asked for evidence earlier, and you have provided none to support your assertion - perhaps you are wrong?

Evidence of what? Must of missed the request

All the 'facts' you throw in. You have opinions, fair enough, but don't try to feed it to other people unless you have a fact to support it. Nothing you have said supports your anti immigrant stance.

And so didnt Farge and his cohorts...its a myth..these people play on others fears

I was actually arguing against the remain scaremongering which stated we would have to take back all the English from EU

If a baroness saw it was a xenophobic campaign and switched from leave to remain camp how come the rest stuck with supporting such policies

https://www.bebee.com/buzz/618855

Now supporting racist campaign makes you no better than them ..."

And you slagging down brexiters for all being xenophobic makes you no better either.

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