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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Jeremy Corbyn is preparing for his first conference speech later today and its his big moment to emphasise his patriotism and state most Britons share his values, its live 2.15pm on bbc news, what points do you recon he will talk about? Like the nuclear plants and more, should be a good watch. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Simplez - take out the speechs from Harold Wilson and you got Corbyn's speech... Spielberg loves Corbyn as Corbyn has shown one can go "back to the future"... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"emphasise his patriotism
I think we need much less of that, we're becoming far too much like America in our politics. "
It's the last resort of a scoundrel. Tories love to wave the Union Jack don't they?  |
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"emphasise his patriotism
I think we need much less of that, we're becoming far too much like America in our politics.
It's the last resort of a scoundrel. Tories love to wave the Union Jack don't they? "
The right-wing have always believed they have a monopoly on patriotism. |
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"Scrap trident! No ta. Open door immigration policy! No ta. Stay in EU! No ta  "
I edited that for you (cut out the last bit, lol)
Thought that was a terrible, rambling speech from Corbyn. Sounded like he was just preaching to the faithful people who he already has in his pocket. Not much there for the rest of the country who didn't vote Labour at the last election.
At least he could be bothered to do up the top button on his shirt and do up his tie properly unlike when he attended the memorial service the other week. Corbyn is not patriotic at all, his self loathing that he is British and his loathing of Britain is obvious.
Not much talk in his speech of the deficit (taking tips from Ed Miliband there? ). No talk of the EU referendum either, and no talk of the general election result which Labour just lost a few months ago. So 3 of the biggest issues facing Labour which he didn't put much emphasis on.
Also the absence of the likes of Labour big guns like Chukka Ummuna, Yvette Cooper and other Blairites in the audience was plain for all to see from the outside looking in. Divided parties don't win elections. |
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"emphasise his patriotism
I think we need much less of that, we're becoming far too much like America in our politics.
It's the last resort of a scoundrel. Tories love to wave the Union Jack don't they?
The right-wing have always believed they have a monopoly on patriotism. "
That's because the extreme left Wing don't really like Britain much. |
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Give the fella a chance to lay out his cards..
At least we now have an opposition someone who can shift 'tory boy'to the left..
As for the Cooper ' s & other Blairite labour supporters ,Let them go.
I get fed up with all this attack on 'left wing Corbyn' Nobody goes on about 'right wing Cameron'..
Level playing field never.. |
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"emphasise his patriotism
I think we need much less of that, we're becoming far too much like America in our politics.
It's the last resort of a scoundrel. Tories love to wave the Union Jack don't they?
The right-wing have always believed they have a monopoly on patriotism.
That's because the extreme left Wing don't really like Britain much. "
Not being a Luddite is nothing to be ashamed of. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't think he's the Labour saviour.. already in house arguments and some bizarre policy's.
Labour haven't learned any lessons from last time.. firmly sat on the fence when it comes to politics but with this bloke in charge I would have to vote the other way. |
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Once the EU referendum is out of the way, they can get rid of him and have a leader not tainted by the EU fallout.
Labour should do minimal campaigning on the EU ref, leave that for the government of the day. |
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"I suspect this will be his first and last speech at a party conference.
Sadly, I think I agree"
I disagree. So far he's hitting the right notes. I still personally don't agree with his general direction of travel but I do like some of the things he's saying about the nature of the sort of new politics he wants. A kinder, nicer politics with less personal attacks and ridiculing of individuals. A politics that, while not agreeing with all opinions, treats all opinions with respect. A politics that attacks the argument without questioning the good intent of those making them.
If all who claim to support him, and maybe a lot of us who don't, can agree on these points he may actually achieve something special, unique and new in British politics.
Whether he or John Mac will actually be able to convince me and the country of anything else remains to be seen. I liked his speech, let's see where we go from here. |
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By *oo hotCouple
over a year ago
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"I suspect this will be his first and last speech at a party conference.
Sadly, I think I agree
I disagree. So far he's hitting the right notes. I still personally don't agree with his general direction of travel but I do like some of the things he's saying about the nature of the sort of new politics he wants. A kinder, nicer politics with less personal attacks and ridiculing of individuals. A politics that, while not agreeing with all opinions, treats all opinions with respect. A politics that attacks the argument without questioning the good intent of those making them.
If all who claim to support him, and maybe a lot of us who don't, can agree on these points he may actually achieve something special, unique and new in British politics.
Whether he or John Mac will actually be able to convince me and the country of anything else remains to be seen. I liked his speech, let's see where we go from here."
Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on. |
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"I suspect this will be his first and last speech at a party conference.
Sadly, I think I agree
I disagree. So far he's hitting the right notes. I still personally don't agree with his general direction of travel but I do like some of the things he's saying about the nature of the sort of new politics he wants. A kinder, nicer politics with less personal attacks and ridiculing of individuals. A politics that, while not agreeing with all opinions, treats all opinions with respect. A politics that attacks the argument without questioning the good intent of those making them.
If all who claim to support him, and maybe a lot of us who don't, can agree on these points he may actually achieve something special, unique and new in British politics.
Whether he or John Mac will actually be able to convince me and the country of anything else remains to be seen. I liked his speech, let's see where we go from here.
Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on. "
I'd like to think so, even John Mac said last night on Newsnight that it was wrong to question the integrity of those who disagree with them and that it was wrong to call anyone Tory scum. He went on to say 'thers not scum there just wrong'.
I think many who think they support Corbyn and John Mac may find it harder to agree with them than those of us who don't. |
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Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
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Maybe they'll start chanting "pig fuckers" instead, I dunno.
I'm expecting lots of pig masks in Manchester next week though. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on. "
You may not be hearing it, but the Tories will still be scum. |
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"I suspect this will be his first and last speech at a party conference.
Sadly, I think I agree
I disagree. So far he's hitting the right notes. I still personally don't agree with his general direction of travel but I do like some of the things he's saying about the nature of the sort of new politics he wants. A kinder, nicer politics with less personal attacks and ridiculing of individuals. A politics that, while not agreeing with all opinions, treats all opinions with respect. A politics that attacks the argument without questioning the good intent of those making them.
If all who claim to support him, and maybe a lot of us who don't, can agree on these points he may actually achieve something special, unique and new in British politics.
Whether he or John Mac will actually be able to convince me and the country of anything else remains to be seen. I liked his speech, let's see where we go from here.
Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on.
I'd like to think so, even John Mac said last night on Newsnight that it was wrong to question the integrity of those who disagree with them and that it was wrong to call anyone Tory scum. He went on to say 'thers not scum there just wrong'.
I think many who think they support Corbyn and John Mac may find it harder to agree with them than those of us who don't."
Is this the same John Mac who said he wanted to go back in time and assassinate Margaret Thatcher. What a nice man he is. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just finished watching the full speech on BBC's page and it was a true joy to listen to. His policies and ambitions are spot on, he's straight forward and understands the meaning of democracy. I think he will change how politics is made in this country. |
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"Just finished watching the full speech on BBC's page and it was a true joy to listen to. His policies and ambitions are spot on, he's straight forward and understands the meaning of democracy. I think he will change how politics is made in this country. "
I suggest you Google and read Tony Blair's first speech as leader to the Labour Party conference Blackpool 1994.
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"Just finished watching the full speech on BBC's page and it was a true joy to listen to. His policies and ambitions are spot on, he's straight forward and understands the meaning of democracy. I think he will change how politics is made in this country. "
Just a pity Corbyn doesn't respect democracy in the Falklands and the overwhelming result of the referendum they had there, 98% want to stay British. |
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"Just a pity Corbyn doesn't respect democracy in the Falklands and the overwhelming result of the referendum they had there, 98% want to stay British. "
Oh? How so? Have you listened to the speech? |
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"Just a pity Corbyn doesn't respect democracy in the Falklands and the overwhelming result of the referendum they had there, 98% want to stay British.
Oh? How so? Have you listened to the speech?"
Yes he never mentioned the Falklands in his speech but he has made it very clear before he wants to hand over the Falklands to the Argies or have power sharing with the Argies. That's not respecting the result of the democratic referendum they had there. |
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Yes he never mentioned the Falklands in his speech but he has made it very clear before he wants to hand over the Falklands to the Argies or have power sharing with the Argies. That's not respecting the result of the democratic referendum they had there. "
Where have you read that? From what I have read about Corbins view on the Falklands, and what he wants is peaceful conflict resolution and prevention. He states himself that there should be cooperation between UK and falklands with a joint administration because the islanders views are important.
Following quote from The Telegraph;
Mr Corbyn said in an interview with the BBC in 2013 that a "degree of joint administration" might resolve the conflict over the Falkland Islands. He has not stepped back from the suggestion since making it.
He said: "Other situations like this, for example the dispute between Finland and Sweden over the Aman Islands, was sorted out by some degree of joint administration while maintaining nationality.
"It was done with Hong Kong, it has been done to some extent with Gibraltar. There is a way forward.
"It was in Margaret Thatcher's interests in 82 to divert attention form her catastrophic economic issues.
"There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners all of whom suggest without changing the question of nationality there is room for some kind of discussion and debate.
"Why can't we respond to that letter and work on that basis rather than upping the ante and spending more and more money on arms." |
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By *anB451Man
over a year ago
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Yes he never mentioned the Falklands in his speech but he has made it very clear before he wants to hand over the Falklands to the Argies or have power sharing with the Argies. That's not respecting the result of the democratic referendum they had there.
Where have you read that? From what I have read about Corbins view on the Falklands, and what he wants is peaceful conflict resolution and prevention. He states himself that there should be cooperation between UK and falklands with a joint administration because the islanders views are important.
Following quote from The Telegraph;
Mr Corbyn said in an interview with the BBC in 2013 that a "degree of joint administration" might resolve the conflict over the Falkland Islands. He has not stepped back from the suggestion since making it.
He said: "Other situations like this, for example the dispute between Finland and Sweden over the Aman Islands, was sorted out by some degree of joint administration while maintaining nationality.
"It was done with Hong Kong, it has been done to some extent with Gibraltar. There is a way forward.
"It was in Margaret Thatcher's interests in 82 to divert attention form her catastrophic economic issues.
"There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners all of whom suggest without changing the question of nationality there is room for some kind of discussion and debate.
"Why can't we respond to that letter and work on that basis rather than upping the ante and spending more and more money on arms.""
Wouldn't "degree of joint administration" mean sod the 98% that dont want a joint administration? Or would he have 98% of the administration be British and 2% Argentinian? Not sure they'd go for that... |
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"Wouldn't "degree of joint administration" mean sod the 98% that dont want a joint administration? Or would he have 98% of the administration be British and 2% Argentinian? Not sure they'd go for that..."
No, he says that there needs to be a peaceful agreement on how to end the conflict, and that this could be discussed between UK and the Falklands. The suggestion of joint administration is a suggestion based on other countries that have done so successfully. |
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Yes he never mentioned the Falklands in his speech but he has made it very clear before he wants to hand over the Falklands to the Argies or have power sharing with the Argies. That's not respecting the result of the democratic referendum they had there.
Where have you read that? From what I have read about Corbins view on the Falklands, and what he wants is peaceful conflict resolution and prevention. He states himself that there should be cooperation between UK and falklands with a joint administration because the islanders views are important.
Following quote from The Telegraph;
Mr Corbyn said in an interview with the BBC in 2013 that a "degree of joint administration" might resolve the conflict over the Falkland Islands. He has not stepped back from the suggestion since making it.
He said: "Other situations like this, for example the dispute between Finland and Sweden over the Aman Islands, was sorted out by some degree of joint administration while maintaining nationality.
"It was done with Hong Kong, it has been done to some extent with Gibraltar. There is a way forward.
"It was in Margaret Thatcher's interests in 82 to divert attention form her catastrophic economic issues.
"There is a letter been produced by five nobel peace prize winners all of whom suggest without changing the question of nationality there is room for some kind of discussion and debate.
"Why can't we respond to that letter and work on that basis rather than upping the ante and spending more and more money on arms.""
I've no need to say where I read it as you just typed it all out for me. What you just said is Corbyn intends to dismiss the 98% result of the democratic referendum in which the Falkland islanders themselves voted to remain fully British. The Falkland islanders don't want a power sharing deal, 98% want to remain fully British. Corbyn wants to dismiss that, dismiss democracy and impose his own personal view on the Falklands. |
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By *anB451Man
over a year ago
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"Wouldn't "degree of joint administration" mean sod the 98% that dont want a joint administration? Or would he have 98% of the administration be British and 2% Argentinian? Not sure they'd go for that...
No, he says that there needs to be a peaceful agreement on how to end the conflict, and that this could be discussed between UK and the Falklands. The suggestion of joint administration is a suggestion based on other countries that have done so successfully. "
I think you misunderstand my point. If he believes in democracy then surely the decision lies with the Falkland Islanders. Who voted overwhelmingly to stay British. Argentina obviously doesn't like this result but ignoring the result to placate the Argentinians would surely make him undemocratic? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've no need to say where I read it as you just typed it all out for me. What you just said is Corbyn intends to dismiss the 98% result of the democratic referendum in which the Falkland islanders themselves voted to remain fully British. The Falkland islanders don't want a power sharing deal, 98% want to remain fully British. Corbyn wants to dismiss that, dismiss democracy and impose his own personal view on the Falklands. "
Well, you obviously had a view before I came along and quoted the telegraph, so I wonder where you got that from? What he is saying is that we need a peaceful resolution to a conflict, and to that he has a solution that doesn't have to change the nationality of the falklands. This is a suggestion and the opinion of the people on falkland matters, and this needs to be discussed further. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I think you misunderstand my point. If he believes in democracy then surely the decision lies with the Falkland Islanders. Who voted overwhelmingly to stay British. Argentina obviously doesn't like this result but ignoring the result to placate the Argentinians would surely make him undemocratic?"
I don't understand how debate is undemocratic, and this is exactly what Corbin is asking for. There needs to be a peaceful solution a conflict, this is what he is promoting and wishing to reach a solution for. In no way has he disregared the views of the islanders. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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I cannot believe what I read here,he does not believe in democracy,he believes in what the people decide.
The people are a committee as in all left wing/communist regimes.
He is lying scum |
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"Wouldn't "degree of joint administration" mean sod the 98% that dont want a joint administration? Or would he have 98% of the administration be British and 2% Argentinian? Not sure they'd go for that...
No, he says that there needs to be a peaceful agreement on how to end the conflict, and that this could be discussed between UK and the Falklands. The suggestion of joint administration is a suggestion based on other countries that have done so successfully. "
There is no conflict in the Falklands now. The Falklands is at peace. The only way there will be conflict is if Argentina decide to invade again. |
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To be fair, if you are someone who believes that the Falklands are relevant in any way to the current political debate then you were never going to vote for Corbyn anyway.
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"Wouldn't "degree of joint administration" mean sod the 98% that dont want a joint administration? Or would he have 98% of the administration be British and 2% Argentinian? Not sure they'd go for that...
No, he says that there needs to be a peaceful agreement on how to end the conflict, and that this could be discussed between UK and the Falklands. The suggestion of joint administration is a suggestion based on other countries that have done so successfully.
I think you misunderstand my point. If he believes in democracy then surely the decision lies with the Falkland Islanders. Who voted overwhelmingly to stay British. Argentina obviously doesn't like this result but ignoring the result to placate the Argentinians would surely make him undemocratic?"
On a technical point. It's not just the Falkland Islanders who have a say on this matter, the British people also have a right to decide if they want the Falklanders and/or the islands to remain British.
I personally am in favour of the Falklands remaining British at what ever cost but it's a bit ridiculous to suggest that British foreign policy towards Argentina should be totally dictated by the wishes of less than 3,000 Falkland Islanders.
Isn't this post meant to be about Corbyn's speech and about what he said in his speech. Not about what he said in some other speech or what he didn't say in this one. |
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Now it's emerged in the media (reported on itv news earlier) that some chunks of his speech were copied from a blog somewhere. (a blog which Ed Miliband refused to take material from). Just like his first PMQ's using other people's questions.
So is Corbyn too thick to come up with his own material or what? |
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"To be fair, if you are someone who believes that the Falklands are relevant in any way to the current political debate then you were never going to vote for Corbyn anyway.
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It is relevant when Labour supporters say Corbyn respects democracy. He clearly doesn't. |
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"To be fair, if you are someone who believes that the Falklands are relevant in any way to the current political debate then you were never going to vote for Corbyn anyway.
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To be even fairer, quite a lot of people who don't believe the Falklands are relevant to the current political debate probably aren't going to vote for him either!!  |
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"To be fair, if you are someone who believes that the Falklands are relevant in any way to the current political debate then you were never going to vote for Corbyn anyway.
It is relevant when Labour supporters say Corbyn respects democracy. He clearly doesn't. "
I don't think that follows. If he that proposal for the Falklands to the British people as part of his election manifesto and they elected him in then he would have a democratic mandate from an electorate of 70,000,000. There would be nothing democratic about allowing 3,000 people to veto it. |
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"I don't think that follows. If he that proposal for the Falklands to the British people as part of his election manifesto and they elected him in then he would have a democratic mandate from an electorate of 70,000,000. There would be nothing democratic about allowing 3,000 people to veto it."
Electorate of 70 million... eh? |
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"To be fair, if you are someone who believes that the Falklands are relevant in any way to the current political debate then you were never going to vote for Corbyn anyway.
It is relevant when Labour supporters say Corbyn respects democracy. He clearly doesn't.
I don't think that follows. If he that proposal for the Falklands to the British people as part of his election manifesto and they elected him in then he would have a democratic mandate from an electorate of 70,000,000. There would be nothing democratic about allowing 3,000 people to veto it."
so your latest pearl of wisdom is that the number of people who are eligable to vote in uk elections outnumbers the total population (including adults, children) by 5.5 million ..... nice work |
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Erm the Falklands are on the other side of the world, having a more peaceful and co operative relationship with Argentina makes sense, because its next door.
We also don't have a operating aircraft carrier? ATM or soon we wont, or long range bombers. |
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The forecast for the Uk population at the next election is 67.2m, so I suspect the poster was either rounding up or paying too much attention to the fear mongering right wing press on immigration.
There is some real bile on here about a guy who seems a very decent man. It would make a nice change to have someone who believes in peace in charge.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on.
You may not be hearing it, but the Tories will still be scum."
Labour already signed up to the torys fiscal policy though so it's hard to call one scum without the other |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Wouldn't "degree of joint administration" mean sod the 98% that dont want a joint administration? Or would he have 98% of the administration be British and 2% Argentinian? Not sure they'd go for that...
No, he says that there needs to be a peaceful agreement on how to end the conflict, and that this could be discussed between UK and the Falklands. The suggestion of joint administration is a suggestion based on other countries that have done so successfully. "
There is a peaceful solution to the conflict, she's called the HMS astute and her and some typhoons based on the island are more than a match for nearly anything the bankrupt argintinian military can muster to try and sail across.
There's no conflict atm is there? It's all peaceful.
See the solution works. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on.
You may not be hearing it, but the Tories will still be scum.
Labour already signed up to the torys fiscal policy though so it's hard to call one scum without the other "
Signed up to the destination, not the route. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" .......
Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on.
You may not be hearing it, but the Tories will still be scum.
Labour already signed up to the torys fiscal policy though so it's hard to call one scum without the other
Signed up to the destination, not the route."
All a bit academic after touting anti austerity for ages then going "OK yeah shot we need austerity.. but don't worry we'll cut different things!!!" |
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"To be fair, if you are someone who believes that the Falklands are relevant in any way to the current political debate then you were never going to vote for Corbyn anyway.
It is relevant when Labour supporters say Corbyn respects democracy. He clearly doesn't.
I don't think that follows. If he that proposal for the Falklands to the British people as part of his election manifesto and they elected him in then he would have a democratic mandate from an electorate of 70,000,000. There would be nothing democratic about allowing 3,000 people to veto it.
so your latest pearl of wisdom is that the number of people who are eligable to vote in uk elections outnumbers the total population (including adults, children) by 5.5 million ..... nice work "
The point is still valid at 64,500,000 so I'm happy with that figure if that's the one you want use. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Does this mean that we will no longer be hearing the words "Tory scum" and other such niceties from the spitting Labour activists?
They will have to all behave much nicer from now on.
You may not be hearing it, but the Tories will still be scum.
Labour already signed up to the torys fiscal policy though so it's hard to call one scum without the other
Signed up to the destination, not the route.
All a bit academic after touting anti austerity for ages then going "OK yeah shot we need austerity.. but don't worry we'll cut different things!!!""
Not if what you're cutting is tax evasion. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Someone said they'd seen him earlier in IKEA looking for a new cabinet...  "
He should have gone into the shop and chosen a few on the far left.
I have noticed Corbyn biggest supporter on here has been quiet. Anyone checked under Clifton Suspension Bridge to see if he's thrown himself off? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I suspect this will be his first and last speech at a party conference.
Did you have a tenner on that?
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I wish. I'd predicted six months for Corbyn but I suspect now that the support of the unions will see him at least try his luck with a leadership battle. |
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