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"Hi, it's not often I post in the politics section but my hairdresser made a statement yesterday that "we (the world/ UK) cannot function without oil" . What are people's thoughts on this? Is she correct ? I know we're moving to alternative fuel for transportation sectors (hydrogen, fuel cells, battery etc). Homes will eventually move to green solutions or nuclear I think - not sure about remote homes that are heated by oil? What about jet fuel - is that based on oil🤔🤔 Then I think manufacturing is maybe a big user - production of plastics maybe?? Really interested in people's thoughts - will the world usage reduce in phases across different countries?? " Love this Midnight for me it will be about 30 years and we might not be burning oil. But oil makes so much more plastic, most polymers for carpet, clothing and fabric, grease and oil used in gear boxes posably including wind turbine gearbox?, PVC for cables, and so much more. But burning oil will reduce but large ships and jet aircraft burn so much its hard to reduce it. A 777 loads up to 100 tons of fule. That's 100,000 liters. Bet you can't get that in you car, lol. A container ship burns about 1.5 tones of heavy oil per hour at sea. So we will be needing oil for some time. Gas even longer. | |||
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"Of course we need hydrocarbons, what else is going to grease the wheels of the next 100 years of capitalism, bringing more of the world's population out of poverty, the UK is still on track for net zero hydrocarbon free bankcruptsy. " No oil and bigger pot holes, there is no ashfelt to mack tarmac. | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️" Going anywhere nice on holiday this year? | |||
"Welcome to the sea of tranquility that is the Politics Section Midnight 👋 I think it will be a long time before we are oil free, if ever. I do support reducing our dependency on fossil fuels but the current targets for Net Zero are just not achievable, and are being largely ignored by China and India." Thanks!! Hope I don't regret it 😆 Yes she had a lot of thoughts about India...but most especially China ! | |||
"The world is many decades possibly centuries away from functioning without oil" I agree - Do you think it's the we wealth to be made or inability to change technology that is the biggest inhibitor? | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️" Well we have to agree to disagree on a LOT of things... She's got some 'interesting' thoughts on Trump + the "great work that musk is doing" 
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"Hi, it's not often I post in the politics section but my hairdresser made a statement yesterday that "we (the world/ UK) cannot function without oil" . What are people's thoughts on this? Is she correct ? I know we're moving to alternative fuel for transportation sectors (hydrogen, fuel cells, battery etc). Homes will eventually move to green solutions or nuclear I think - not sure about remote homes that are heated by oil? What about jet fuel - is that based on oil🤔🤔 Then I think manufacturing is maybe a big user - production of plastics maybe?? Really interested in people's thoughts - will the world usage reduce in phases across different countries?? Love this Midnight for me it will be about 30 years and we might not be burning oil. But oil makes so much more plastic, most polymers for carpet, clothing and fabric, grease and oil used in gear boxes posably including wind turbine gearbox?, PVC for cables, and so much more. But burning oil will reduce but large ships and jet aircraft burn so much its hard to reduce it. A 777 loads up to 100 tons of fule. That's 100,000 liters. Bet you can't get that in you car, lol. A container ship burns about 1.5 tones of heavy oil per hour at sea. So we will be needing oil for some time. Gas even longer. " Yeah that's quite a sobering thought 😶 | |||
"Crude oil, through refining processes like distillation, yields a wide array of products, including gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel, petrochemical feedstocks, waxes, lubricating oils, and asphalt. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Fuels: Gasoline: Used as fuel for cars, motorcycles, and other vehicles with internal combustion engines. Diesel fuel: Used in diesel engines, which can work on thicker, heavier oil. Jet fuel: Primarily used to power jet engines. Heating oil: Used for heating homes and businesses. Kerosene: Used for heating and lighting Petrochemicals: Feedstocks: Used as raw materials for various chemical products, including plastics, fertilizers, and synthetic fibers. Other Products: Waxes: Used in candles, polishes, and other applications. Lubricating oils: Used to reduce friction and wear in machinery. Asphalt: Used for paving roads and other surfaces. Petroleum jelly: Derived from a heavy, waxy substance called petrolatum, which is refined and purified from crude oil. Bitumen: A semi-solid black colored substance obtained as the last residue in fractional distillation of crude petroleum, which is mainly used as a raw material for the construction of roads. " that is a huge list. Does the source have the breakdown of % by sector? | |||
"Of course we need hydrocarbons, what else is going to grease the wheels of the next 100 years of capitalism, bringing more of the world's population out of poverty, the UK is still on track for net zero hydrocarbon free bankcruptsy. " That was my hairdressers view -too big a business to allow it to die out | |||
"Of course we need hydrocarbons, what else is going to grease the wheels of the next 100 years of capitalism, bringing more of the world's population out of poverty, the UK is still on track for net zero hydrocarbon free bankcruptsy. No oil and bigger pot holes, there is no ashfelt to mack tarmac." Maybe we won't need roads -cars of the future will be drones? | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️ Going anywhere nice on holiday this year?" Not now  | |||
"Crude oil, through refining processes like distillation, yields a wide array of products, including gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel, petrochemical feedstocks, waxes, lubricating oils, and asphalt. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Fuels: Gasoline: Used as fuel for cars, motorcycles, and other vehicles with internal combustion engines. Diesel fuel: Used in diesel engines, which can work on thicker, heavier oil. Jet fuel: Primarily used to power jet engines. Heating oil: Used for heating homes and businesses. Kerosene: Used for heating and lighting Petrochemicals: Feedstocks: Used as raw materials for various chemical products, including plastics, fertilizers, and synthetic fibers. Other Products: Waxes: Used in candles, polishes, and other applications. Lubricating oils: Used to reduce friction and wear in machinery. Asphalt: Used for paving roads and other surfaces. Petroleum jelly: Derived from a heavy, waxy substance called petrolatum, which is refined and purified from crude oil. Bitumen: A semi-solid black colored substance obtained as the last residue in fractional distillation of crude petroleum, which is mainly used as a raw material for the construction of roads. that is a huge list. Does the source have the breakdown of % by sector? " PM me, I worked for one of the world's largest oil companies for 35 years and have numerous data sources. | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️ Going anywhere nice on holiday this year? Not now "🤣🤣 #staycation | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️ Well we have to agree to disagree on a LOT of things... She's got some 'interesting' thoughts on Trump + the "great work that musk is doing"
"I guess she likes Musk because of all his cuts.🙈 | |||
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"Im a word No!without oil life would return to the dark ages. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot." So we can live without, we choose not to? | |||
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"Oil is really only necessary for aviation and space. Pretty much all other uses are optional, now that we have hydrogen cell, electric and nuclear/renewables. If we got to the Victorian times without oil and now have the above, we certainly wouldn't go back to the dark ages without. The economic and living standards shock of immediate withdrawal would make it untenable, but ultimately it's a good-to-have at this point, more than a need." The Victorians go too machinery lubricants were primarily derived from whales, don’t think we will be going back to that. | |||
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"Oil is really only necessary for aviation and space. Pretty much all other uses are optional, now that we have hydrogen cell, electric and nuclear/renewables." You're thinking solely about burning the stuff. What about all the products of the plastics industry, that all rely on oil? To give one example, electrical wiring is coated in a thin flexible insulation made from oil products. How would we continue to use electricity without that wiring insulation? Yes, we could go back to using paper soaked in tallow, like we used to, but we'd have to accept the increase in house fires that would accompany that. Oil is needed for more than just burning. | |||
" Oil is needed for more than just burning." 100%. The OP was focussed on burning oil for fuel, the plastics was brought up as a side issue, almost. No argument on its use in plastics (of course alternatives are possible, if not as cheap/convenient). | |||
" Oil is needed for more than just burning. 100%. The OP was focussed on burning oil for fuel, the plastics was brought up as a side issue, almost. No argument on its use in plastics (of course alternatives are possible, if not as cheap/convenient)." Still a big no even if its just about burning. A few electric cars ain't gonna cut it. Not when there's jets flying, diesel trucks, ships and tractors. Every JCB, crane and digger you see are all burning something. So no, absolutely no chance are we any where near being able to stop using oil. | |||
"Crude oil, through refining processes like distillation, yields a wide array of products, including gasoline, diesel fuel, jet fuel, petrochemical feedstocks, waxes, lubricating oils, and asphalt. Here's a more detailed breakdown: Fuels: Gasoline: Used as fuel for cars, motorcycles, and other vehicles with internal combustion engines. Diesel fuel: Used in diesel engines, which can work on thicker, heavier oil. Jet fuel: Primarily used to power jet engines. Heating oil: Used for heating homes and businesses. Kerosene: Used for heating and lighting Petrochemicals: Feedstocks: Used as raw materials for various chemical products, including plastics, fertilizers, and synthetic fibers. Other Products: Waxes: Used in candles, polishes, and other applications. Lubricating oils: Used to reduce friction and wear in machinery. Asphalt: Used for paving roads and other surfaces. Petroleum jelly: Derived from a heavy, waxy substance called petrolatum, which is refined and purified from crude oil. Bitumen: A semi-solid black colored substance obtained as the last residue in fractional distillation of crude petroleum, which is mainly used as a raw material for the construction of roads. that is a huge list. Does the source have the breakdown of % by sector? PM me, I worked for one of the world's largest oil companies for 35 years and have numerous data sources. "  | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️ Going anywhere nice on holiday this year? Not now
🤣🤣 #staycation"
Washing my hair | |||
"Hairdressers like taxi drivers often talk a lot of sense because they hear a wide variety of opinions. ✂️ Well we have to agree to disagree on a LOT of things... She's got some 'interesting' thoughts on Trump + the "great work that musk is doing"
I guess she likes Musk because of all his cuts.🙈"Tish-boom Well I desperately hope I'm proved wrong and they are actually doing amazing work  | |||
"I think it’s probably a bit of both, we have allowed ourselves to become dependent on black oil and it has become integral to many economies as a result. The desire to establish alternatives is weakened by the massive financial dependence many economies have on the industry. A world free of dependency on the black stuff is a long way off, certainly not in my lifetime. " Yes I agree with this | |||
"Im a word No!without oil life would return to the dark ages. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot." It was more around are we able to replace oil with alternatives rather than just stop using it | |||
"Not for a long time, we’re probably about 20 years away from petrol not being the majority of the vehicles on the road (the ban in 2030 will not happen) it will be replaced by e-fuels but that’s a way of being marketable. Until we find a replacement for it in lubrication and plastics we will never stop using it." There are advances in plastic production. I'd love it to happen in my lifetime, but time is ticking | |||
"Oil is really only necessary for aviation and space. Pretty much all other uses are optional, now that we have hydrogen cell, electric and nuclear/renewables. If we got to the Victorian times without oil and now have the above, we certainly wouldn't go back to the dark ages without. The economic and living standards shock of immediate withdrawal would make it untenable, but ultimately it's a good-to-have at this point, more than a need." So you think all sectors could use an alternative? Or you mean we'd have to choose to close some sectors down? | |||
"Im a word No!without oil life would return to the dark ages. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot. It was more around are we able to replace oil with alternatives rather than just stop using it" This crosses over a bit with my recycling thread. If it was easier and cheaper to recycle plastic we'd need less oil to produce new plastic products. | |||
"Oil is really only necessary for aviation and space. Pretty much all other uses are optional, now that we have hydrogen cell, electric and nuclear/renewables. If we got to the Victorian times without oil and now have the above, we certainly wouldn't go back to the dark ages without. The economic and living standards shock of immediate withdrawal would make it untenable, but ultimately it's a good-to-have at this point, more than a need. The Victorians go too machinery lubricants were primarily derived from whales, don’t think we will be going back to that. " Oh that is very true. I hope that is never repeated 
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"No, we can't live without oil. Not as we are set up at the moment. We rely on the by products of the petro chemical industry for everything from plastics to the clothes you wear. It's too interwoven into industry and every day objects for us to just stop. And in this new age of instant shopping and worldwide distribution, transport via land sea or air isn't done by eco friendly methods. We're a long away from not being reliant on oil and its by products." Our current 'make, consume, discard model' is not eco friendly. I buy from Charity shops, but I also purchase tonnes of new shit | |||
"Oil is really only necessary for aviation and space. Pretty much all other uses are optional, now that we have hydrogen cell, electric and nuclear/renewables. You're thinking solely about burning the stuff. What about all the products of the plastics industry, that all rely on oil? To give one example, electrical wiring is coated in a thin flexible insulation made from oil products. How would we continue to use electricity without that wiring insulation? Yes, we could go back to using paper soaked in tallow, like we used to, but we'd have to accept the increase in house fires that would accompany that. Oil is needed for more than just burning." Its uses are eye-opening | |||
" Oil is needed for more than just burning. 100%. The OP was focussed on burning oil for fuel, the plastics was brought up as a side issue, almost. No argument on its use in plastics (of course alternatives are possible, if not as cheap/convenient)." I'll be honest, I thought transportation was the biggest consumer and everything else was minor.. I'm seeing it isn't now | |||
"Im a word No!without oil life would return to the dark ages. Anyone who thinks differently is an idiot. It was more around are we able to replace oil with alternatives rather than just stop using it This crosses over a bit with my recycling thread. If it was easier and cheaper to recycle plastic we'd need less oil to produce new plastic products." Imagine the scale of recycling we'd need - it's almost like we need the apocalypse first  | |||
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 awesome,,why stop there,,lets try live without sunlight,,vegetables,,maybe water
quick one - oil is PRIMARLY used for ;
plastics, medicines , synthetics , appliances, medical devices, computer chips/screens/harddrives/ keyboards, phones, electrical cables / infastruction, plumbing farming and fuel,,,
now go deep dive and youll realise,,,its in everything,,,so getting away from a combustion engine is one myriad of issues & thoughts,,but oil,,,,christ no..not by a few generational leaps ( maybe the new quantum AI mightsolve that issue - but its also made of oil component soooo...)
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