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By (user no longer on site) OP 7 weeks ago
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What good did she ever do?
Why are Tories hailing her as some great leader and admire her?
Personally I think she did an awful lot of harm to the north that still impacts us northerners today!
A truly awful person with no empathy for the working class
Do - did she do anything positive ?
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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Brought inflation under control post labour.
Reformed trade unions, which crippled the UK.
Deregulated London's financial markets, that kick started the city we have today.
Took back the Falklands from Argentina.
Helped end the cold war.
Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
She did a lot and stuck to her word unlike the politicians we have today.
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"Brought inflation under control post labour.
Reformed trade unions, which crippled the UK.
Deregulated London's financial markets, that kick started the city we have today.
Took back the Falklands from Argentina.
Helped end the cold war.
Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
She did a lot and stuck to her word unlike the politicians we have today.
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Most of this was good.
Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad.
Some of her best reforms such as poll tax were then rescinded by the wets who followed her. |
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She dragged Britain (albeit kicking and screaming) out of the malaise of the 1970's. For sure a lot of people didn't like it but very few medicines taste nice.
Anyone who lived and worked through the 70's knew that the cycle of strike/pay rise/inflation had to be broken (a bit like the welfare cycle today) it just wasn't sustainable. She broke it. 
People who go on about inflation today have no idea. I think it peaked at 28% before she got it under control.
She fought against the growing influence of the EU and while it was always going to be a losing battle she had a good few successes, not least negotiating Britain's rebate.
She broke the all too powerful unions who were constantly holding successive governments to ransom. It had to stop, she stopped it.
She repaid public debt instead of borrowing more. Imagine that today.
She presided over a time of unparalleled growth and prosperity. To be fair not everyone wanted to jump on board but for those of us who did the rewards far outstripped the negatives.
She stood up to a foreign aggressor when UK territory was invaded and won.
Lastly but probably most importantly, she had a vision and stuck to it. She didn't get everything right, there were mistakes. But unlike those who have followed her she didn't blow with the political wind. The lady was not for turning. |
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What good did she ever do?
Did you live in those times? The UK was a basket case, well down down the road to third world living standards and the laughing stock of Europe. The country barely functioned at a day-to-day level. Enter Maggie Thatcher. She reversed the decline, and got the UK back on track to amongst the best performing countries in the world. Was her medicine nasty? Yes indeed, but it saved the patient. |
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"Brought inflation under control post labour.
Reformed trade unions, which crippled the UK.
Deregulated London's financial markets, that kick started the city we have today.
Took back the Falklands from Argentina.
Helped end the cold war.
Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
She did a lot and stuck to her word unlike the politicians we have today.
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Totally agree with you.
We will need some one like her to sort this mess out now,,,we will be in recession very soon if not now,,, |
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"Brought inflation under control post labour.
Reformed trade unions, which crippled the UK.
Deregulated London's financial markets, that kick started the city we have today.
Took back the Falklands from Argentina.
Helped end the cold war.
Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
She did a lot and stuck to her word unlike the politicians we have today.
Totally agree with you.
We will need some one like her to sort this mess out now,,,we will be in recession very soon if not now,,,"
As long as it’s only a technical recession  |
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She had considerable empathy with the working class. It’s where she came from herself.
Most of her voters were working and lower middle class people who simply wanted a better life for themselves and their families. And they could see that they were never going to achieve that living in dismal Socialist Britain.
Plus ca change….. |
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"What good did she ever do?
Did you live in those times? The UK was a basket case, well down down the road to third world living standards and the laughing stock of Europe. The country barely functioned at a day-to-day level. Enter Maggie Thatcher. She reversed the decline, and got the UK back on track to amongst the best performing countries in the world. Was her medicine nasty? Yes indeed, but it saved the patient."
This
Yes, unlike the OP I did live and work in the 70's and other than the music it was a miserable time.
Mostly governed by Labour with a brief spell of a weak (Heath) Tory government. Constant strikes, raging inflation and the title "sick man of Europe". Mountains of rubbish in the streets, dead bodies in freezer trucks, power cuts, 3 day week. No heating or display lights in shops. Dark, dismal and miserable. Thank god for David Bowie among others.
From May '79 Mrs T started turning it around and led us into the prosperous 80's.
If not for her Britain would have sunk without trace by the mid 80's, if not before. |
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She fucked the building trade, fucked the steel, mining and agriculture,she fucked manufacturing, ushered in the era of zero hours contracts by convincing people to work for themselves and subsequently agencies (unheard of before thatchers Britan) .
Sold off council housing stock via right to buy, school playing fields sold off, all these industries privatised many have never worked correctly since.
Created divisions in society.
I mean the list is endless but if you all only want to see it through rose tinted glasses you crack on.
The only thing Thatcher had that no PM has had since was BALLS great big brass ones, she wouldn't have taken any of this sycophantic behaviour that's expected there day's regards Trump. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"She fucked the building trade, fucked the steel, mining and agriculture,she fucked manufacturing, ushered in the era of zero hours contracts by convincing people to work for themselves and subsequently agencies (unheard of before thatchers Britan) .
Sold off council housing stock via right to buy, school playing fields sold off, all these industries privatised many have never worked correctly since.
Created divisions in society.
I mean the list is endless but if you all only want to see it through rose tinted glasses you crack on.
The only thing Thatcher had that no PM has had since was BALLS great big brass ones, she wouldn't have taken any of this sycophantic behaviour that's expected there day's regards Trump."
Subsidies, over staffing and being held to ransom. No wonder Tony Blair wrapped his arms around Thatcher’s economic model he never reversed privatisation and literally lived off the deregulation of the financial markets, until they lost control of them in 2008 |
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"Brought inflation under control post labour.
Reformed trade unions, which crippled the UK.
Deregulated London's financial markets, that kick started the city we have today.
Took back the Falklands from Argentina.
Helped end the cold war.
Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
She did a lot and stuck to her word unlike the politicians we have today.
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Agree with most of this but selling services is a big loss when you look at how cheap they where sold for.
And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k. |
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She fucked mining? No coal mining was already fucked. Apart from power generation and steel making the demand for coal had gone. Domestic use was almost non-existent, the railways had gone diesel or electric years before and coal hungry steam engines were history in shipping.
Coal production needed cutting back drastically and the original planned closures were just a fraction of what eventually had to shut down. Not because of the plans but because of the strike itself. Good mines closed because of lack of or no maintenance for over a year. Scargill and his political strike fucked the miners not Thatcher.
British Steel was as good as fucked long before Thatcher. A million quid a day losses doesn't sound much 50 years later, but in the 70's that was serious money and that what what BS was losing. It was unsustainable and was always going to hit the buffers.
Privatised industry's not working? OK to be fair some of the utility company's are a disgrace now but in the 80's when they were privatised it was a breath of fresh air. Anyone trying to get a phone installed in the 70's would testify to that. How they have been run since is another story and don't forget that Blair/Brown were in charge for 14 years.
I would accept that the right to buy scheme was a double edged sword but it was popular at the time and many working people benefitted from it.
A lot of (not all) playing fields were hardly (if at all) used. One near where I used to live got the local pub team training one night a week and that was it. The nearby school didn't use it at all. Now houses.
As for the divided society. It's more divided now than it has ever been and she left power 35 years ago. I'd look at more recent events for the causes of that. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k."
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either."
Labour had 13 years to reverse thatchers right to buy and did not.
On checking it also seems thatcher built more council housing than Labour. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either."
Absolutely right.
If it was such a bad thing I would have thought Blair/Brown would have abolished it day one. They didn't. |
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"She fucked the building trade, fucked the steel, mining and agriculture,she fucked manufacturing, ushered in the era of zero hours contracts by convincing people to work for themselves and subsequently agencies (unheard of before thatchers Britan) .
Sold off council housing stock via right to buy, school playing fields sold off, all these industries privatised many have never worked correctly since.
Created divisions in society.
I mean the list is endless but if you all only want to see it through rose tinted glasses you crack on.
The only thing Thatcher had that no PM has had since was BALLS great big brass ones, she wouldn't have taken any of this sycophantic behaviour that's expected there day's regards Trump."
If you think she fucked manufacturing, steel etc; you're having a laugh. The unions did that by themselves with their constant strikes and restrictive practices.
Remember the 3 day week? Inflation hit nearly 30%. It truly was a winter of discontent.
Right to buy was possibly/probably a good idea maybe not perfectly implemented. Of course, you can't please everybody - that's a fact of life now just as it was then.
As others have said we were 'The sick man of Europe'.
We needed leadership. She stood up and and grasped the nettle. It's easy to decry everything but we were going nowhere. Tell me who, at that time, would have done a better job?
... Ah; the silence is deafening!
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Absolutely right.
If it was such a bad thing I would have thought Blair/Brown would have abolished it day one. They didn't."
Over two million affordable homes sold at one time discounts and not replaced
And people now moan about two thirds of annual housing benefit going to private landlords
Reap what you sow |
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By (user no longer on site) OP 7 weeks ago
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Absolutely right.
If it was such a bad thing I would have thought Blair/Brown would have abolished it day one. They didn't.
Over two million affordable homes sold at one time discounts and not replaced
And people now moan about two thirds of annual housing benefit going to private landlords
Reap what you sow "
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"Over two million affordable homes sold at one time discounts and not replaced
And people now moan about two thirds of annual housing benefit going to private landlords
Reap what you sow "
I think people complain about the benefits system in general.
Some may say it's not generous enough; others may say it's too generous.
That's politics for you. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either."
Was a discount based on how long you had been renting as I remember. But no one was going to have the money to replace the houses that where sold at a discount. That is why there is a shortage now. So in my mind people that are for this system have to live with the shortage of social housing. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Absolutely right.
If it was such a bad thing I would have thought Blair/Brown would have abolished it day one. They didn't.
Over two million affordable homes sold at one time discounts and not replaced
And people now moan about two thirds of annual housing benefit going to private landlords
Reap what you sow "
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By *os19Man 7 weeks ago
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Although I was a young boy when she came into power and I have always voted Labour although the last 15 years have come close to voting Conservative I feel Margaret Thatcher did 2 good things.I feel that by allowing people to buy their council home at the discount rate they would become mortgage holders and would stick at their job and take up overtime opportunities.Also I personally feel it’s a good thing to have a mortgage and after 20-30 years when the mortgage has been paid off you can say to yourself with pride this is mine.Afterall there is a saying a English man home is his castle.The second good thing she did was resign. |
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The right to buy was clever when your also trying to destroy organised labour, when you paid the council rent you just went in arrears but when it's a building society and a possible default and snatch back that no doubt had an affect on some taking industrial action..
There was a dark side to her with some of the friends she had and what the state got up to in her time.. |
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"Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel."
"Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad."
I'm not sure you can claim British Airways as "essentials for life". |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Labour had 13 years to reverse thatchers right to buy and did not.
On checking it also seems thatcher built more council housing than Labour. "
I did not know that about Thatcher building more council homes than Labour. People say she was not for the common working people but surely they were the greatest beneficiaries of the right to buy scheme. Gave people a foot on the ladder and a reason on to look after their property. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Labour had 13 years to reverse thatchers right to buy and did not.
On checking it also seems thatcher built more council housing than Labour. "
i think you may be confusing council house building with the advent of 3rd party social housing building ie housing associations ... the upshot being that the revenue stream from council rent was stripped away from councils, yet the councils were still required to pay housing benefit. a negative double whammy for councils in reality. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Labour had 13 years to reverse thatchers right to buy and did not.
On checking it also seems thatcher built more council housing than Labour.
I did not know that about Thatcher building more council homes than Labour. People say she was not for the common working people but surely they were the greatest beneficiaries of the right to buy scheme. Gave people a foot on the ladder and a reason on to look after their property."
Yes, two million people bought their council homes and yes a foot on the ladder agreed.
Four decades on housing is more akin to an escalator. Homeownership levels have fallen over the past 24 years from their peak of 71% in 2001 to around 62% now. The private rental sector has swelled, in addition to selling off two million homes at substantial discounts the country is paying £16bn annually in housing benefit, two thirds of it to the private sector. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Labour had 13 years to reverse thatchers right to buy and did not.
On checking it also seems thatcher built more council housing than Labour.
i think you may be confusing council house building with the advent of 3rd party social housing building ie housing associations ... the upshot being that the revenue stream from council rent was stripped away from councils, yet the councils were still required to pay housing benefit. a negative double whammy for councils in reality."
Shelter says that 31,000 social housing units (all parties) were built in 2024. After right to buy and demolitions, a net loss of 9000. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Labour had 13 years to reverse thatchers right to buy and did not.
On checking it also seems thatcher built more council housing than Labour.
i think you may be confusing council house building with the advent of 3rd party social housing building ie housing associations ... the upshot being that the revenue stream from council rent was stripped away from councils, yet the councils were still required to pay housing benefit. a negative double whammy for councils in reality.
Shelter says that 31,000 social housing units (all parties) were built in 2024. After right to buy and demolitions, a net loss of 9000. "
yeah ... so not council houses then |
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"What good did she ever do?
Why are Tories hailing her as some great leader and admire her?
Personally I think she did an awful lot of harm to the north that still impacts us northerners today!
A truly awful person with no empathy for the working class
Do - did she do anything positive ?
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Closed all the coal mines.. maybe she was a head of her time? |
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She didn't deal with Saville, she couldn't take criticism, she believed her own bs.
The army n airforce kept the Falklands, she blew up the Belgrano in error.
She gave council tenants the right to buy and landed them in debt with a recession and credit crunch high interest rates wrecking home owners and small businesses.
Poll tax debacle and destroyed the mining industry which saved alot of miners from lung disease.
She changed into a bloke as each election won.
She had a spitting image puppet voiced by a male.
Nearly blown up in Brighton, Trump moment.
Ultimately betrayed by spineless front benchers.
Saved Britain from Callaghan.
She was bit of a mixed....... bag.
She had funny daughter. |
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"all well and good. but councils had just finished paying off the 20-25 year finance deal for building houses only to have them compulsory purchased by the occupier at 32% of the market value. "
The govt didn't dare build new houses for years due to right to buy. Cost to build a new home then allocate it to your wee granny with 30years tenancy who buys it at a 70% discount on the market value. Whilst they still have to pay the build costs.
In Scotland new build council housing only ramped up once the right to buy was abolished.
The capital receipts from sales were no where near enough to cover replacement homes needed and in many cases were siphoned into other areas of capital spend within local government. |
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"Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad.
I'm not sure you can claim British Airways as "essentials for life"."
No, however we need a fully integrated public transport system which includes buses and trains. This can only happen if they are not run for profit and routes are decided based on need not commercial issues.
Therefore deregulation of the buses and introducing rail franchises wese mistakes. |
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"When BT, and British Gas where sold at a discount. You could buy a shear for £1, on the day it was floted each shear jumped to £4 so it was more about a give away than a sell off. "
That must have made people quite sheepish... |
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"When BT, and British Gas where sold at a discount. You could buy a shear for £1, on the day it was floted each shear jumped to £4 so it was more about a give away than a sell off.
That must have made people quite sheepish..."
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the pension liability from privatisation is still with us. people who took the early retirement offer of a full gold plated pension at age 46 (along with the lump sum and shares etc.) .... my own late father who passed away just a couple of years ago, was in receipt of in excess of 3000 a month .... and there's people who will be receiving similar size payments for the next 10 years. that's 50 years worth for thousands of people to sit at home all paid for by the taxpayer just to strip the assets from the country. the money from those assets didn't last long either... perhaps until 1994 at the most. like they say, 'it's the economy stupid' |
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"Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad.
I'm not sure you can claim British Airways as "essentials for life".
No, however we need a fully integrated public transport system which includes buses and trains. This can only happen if they are not run for profit and routes are decided based on need not commercial issues.
Therefore deregulation of the buses and introducing rail franchises wese mistakes."
With hindsight they probably were mistakes. However history is littered with mistakes that seemed like a good idea at the time.
British Rail, like most other nationalised industry at the time, was pretty much a basket case in the 70's. Unreliable, expensive, old rolling stock and a trashed reputation. (to be fair not much has changed).
It needed massive investment and rather than pumping more and more taxpayers money into it Thatcher saw the private sector as the way forward.
I still think that overall it's better today than if it hadn't been privatised but it still has a long way to go.
As an aside on the subject of railways.
Next week are taking the train from Alicante to Madrid. Two and a half hours at peak time on one of Europe's fastest and most modern trains. The cost? 29€ (£24) one way.
I'm a bit out of touch with UK rail fares but I wondered what Manchester to London (similar distance) would cost today. I just googled it. On the 9.15 from Piccadilly to Euston (same day and similar time to ours) coming up at £78.50 one way.
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"When BT, and British Gas where sold at a discount. You could buy a shear for £1, on the day it was floted each shear jumped to £4 so it was more about a give away than a sell off. "
Probably part of the plan. Thatcher wanted a share-owning public who were aware of the link between business, profit and prosperity (similar to the US). In that goal she partially succeeded, but you only have to be a regular on these threads and see 'big business grinds us into poverty' vibes to realise there's still a long way to go  |
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"When BT, and British Gas where sold at a discount. You could buy a shear for £1, on the day it was floted each shear jumped to £4 so it was more about a give away than a sell off. "
I bought and sold British Gas shares and made a profit but I certainly did not quadruple my money nor remember anyone else doing so. Maybe doubled it at best. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad.
I'm not sure you can claim British Airways as "essentials for life".
No, however we need a fully integrated public transport system which includes buses and trains. This can only happen if they are not run for profit and routes are decided based on need not commercial issues.
Therefore deregulation of the buses and introducing rail franchises wese mistakes."
For public transport to work, it can’t be held hostage by unions, and it needs technical and functional improvements as part of a standard operating model.
Privatisation happened because the damage was already done... Services were inefficient, over subsidised, and with no hope of modernisation.
It was easier to pass the problems and costs to the private sector. Unfortunately they also have the same problems with unions preventing development of the services and holding the country to ransom whenever they can't get what they want.
I can see the problem...
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"When BT, and British Gas where sold at a discount. You could buy a shear for £1, on the day it was floted each shear jumped to £4 so it was more about a give away than a sell off.
Probably part of the plan. Thatcher wanted a share-owning public who were aware of the link between business, profit and prosperity (similar to the US). In that goal she partially succeeded, but you only have to be a regular on these threads and see 'big business grinds us into poverty' vibes to realise there's still a long way to go "
Yes, big business grinds us into poverty. Government always knows best. |
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"Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad.
I'm not sure you can claim British Airways as "essentials for life".
No, however we need a fully integrated public transport system which includes buses and trains. This can only happen if they are not run for profit and routes are decided based on need not commercial issues.
Therefore deregulation of the buses and introducing rail franchises wese mistakes.
With hindsight they probably were mistakes. However history is littered with mistakes that seemed like a good idea at the time.
British Rail, like most other nationalised industry at the time, was pretty much a basket case in the 70's. Unreliable, expensive, old rolling stock and a trashed reputation. (to be fair not much has changed).
It needed massive investment and rather than pumping more and more taxpayers money into it Thatcher saw the private sector as the way forward.
I still think that overall it's better today than if it hadn't been privatised but it still has a long way to go.
As an aside on the subject of railways.
Next week are taking the train from Alicante to Madrid. Two and a half hours at peak time on one of Europe's fastest and most modern trains. The cost? 29€ (£24) one way.
I'm a bit out of touch with UK rail fares but I wondered what Manchester to London (similar distance) would cost today. I just googled it. On the 9.15 from Piccadilly to Euston (same day and similar time to ours) coming up at £78.50 one way.
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that's a poor choice of examples considering your travelling by renfe which is nationalised company that is a major onwer of franchises in the uk which it overcharges uk passengers in order to subsidise the spanish rail operation.
anyway, i recommend you break the journey and stop in Cuenca for the night and enjoy the views from the tasca's at the top of gorge and have vasos or two of last years utiel raquena tinto |
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"Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
Privatising the essentials for life (power, water, transport) and for security (steel) was bad.
I'm not sure you can claim British Airways as "essentials for life".
No, however we need a fully integrated public transport system which includes buses and trains. This can only happen if they are not run for profit and routes are decided based on need not commercial issues.
Therefore deregulation of the buses and introducing rail franchises wese mistakes.
With hindsight they probably were mistakes. However history is littered with mistakes that seemed like a good idea at the time.
British Rail, like most other nationalised industry at the time, was pretty much a basket case in the 70's. Unreliable, expensive, old rolling stock and a trashed reputation. (to be fair not much has changed).
It needed massive investment and rather than pumping more and more taxpayers money into it Thatcher saw the private sector as the way forward.
I still think that overall it's better today than if it hadn't been privatised but it still has a long way to go.
As an aside on the subject of railways.
Next week are taking the train from Alicante to Madrid. Two and a half hours at peak time on one of Europe's fastest and most modern trains. The cost? 29€ (£24) one way.
I'm a bit out of touch with UK rail fares but I wondered what Manchester to London (similar distance) would cost today. I just googled it. On the 9.15 from Piccadilly to Euston (same day and similar time to ours) coming up at £78.50 one way.
that's a poor choice of examples considering your travelling by renfe which is nationalised company that is a major onwer of franchises in the uk which it overcharges uk passengers in order to subsidise the spanish rail operation.
anyway, i recommend you break the journey and stop in Cuenca for the night and enjoy the views from the tasca's at the top of gorge and have vasos or two of last years utiel raquena tinto "
Would love to do Cuenca, it's still on my to do list of Spanish cities, but this trip is a tight schedule.
Only a couple of nights in Madrid then a long haul flight out of Barajas. Will probably end up drinking Chilean or Argentinian.
I get that my example wasn't the best but it's the one I have recent personal experience of and one hell of a difference. |
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Would love to do Cuenca, it's still on my to do list of Spanish cities, but this trip is a tight schedule.
Only a couple of nights in Madrid then a long haul flight out of Barajas. Will probably end up drinking Chilean or Argentinian.
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well when you do, make sure you take a picnic lunch and visit the Ciudad Encantada out of town. and I highly recommend staying at Hotel Leonor de Aquitania with a room overlooking the gorge ..... and you get to use the spa all for a very resonable 50 quid. it's where me and the boys stay when were's working on the solar farm every 6 months. |
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"Did Thatcher really have to fuck the rest of the country over in favour of London and turning it into the money laundering capital it is now?"
Or to put it another way, thank God we have the City of London to keep the country solvent. We've had devolution, municipal mayors, but the regions still languish. |
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"Did Thatcher really have to fuck the rest of the country over in favour of London and turning it into the money laundering capital it is now?
Or to put it another way, thank God we have the City of London to keep the country solvent. We've had devolution, municipal mayors, but the regions still languish."
a good reason for zonal taxation innit |
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I remember sitting in my classroom in Scunthorpe back in 1970. The local striking steelworkers were holding a rally outside. They were chanting “What do we want? Twenty percent! When do we want it? Now! Followed by the usual “Maggie Maggie Maggie! Out out out!
They didn’t get twenty percent, and within a few years most of the local steel works had been closed.
I had done work experience on one of the steel works. There was sleeping bags where night workers would take it in turns to sleep, workers clocking their absent mates in and out, and some would spend most of their shifts down the pub!
But yeah, the closures were all Maggie's fault… |
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"In 1970 she was education minister..
fab time traveller society daytrip to blackpool .... anyone interested meet here 9.00am last wednesday"
Will there be cake..?
Proper sized wagon wheels from back in the day..
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fab time traveller society daytrip to blackpool .... anyone interested meet here 9.00am last wednesday
Will there be cake..?
Proper sized wagon wheels from back in the day..
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no cake .... but there will be foot long curly wurlys and if you got any empty corona pop bottles you'll 8p back on every one ... oh, and there'll be white dog poo |
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fab time traveller society daytrip to blackpool .... anyone interested meet here 9.00am last wednesday
Will there be cake..?
Proper sized wagon wheels from back in the day..
no cake .... but there will be foot long curly wurlys and if you got any empty corona pop bottles you'll 8p back on every one ... oh, and there'll be white dog poo "
8? Was thruppunce I think, used to borrow them off one side and go round again till they put two blokes on the lorry..
Curly wurlies and dog poo sort of go together in a weird way.. |
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"I remember sitting in my classroom in Scunthorpe back in 1970. The local striking steelworkers were holding a rally outside. They were chanting “What do we want? Twenty percent! When do we want it? Now! Followed by the usual “Maggie Maggie Maggie! Out out out!
They didn’t get twenty percent, and within a few years most of the local steel works had been closed.
I had done work experience on one of the steel works. There was sleeping bags where night workers would take it in turns to sleep, workers clocking their absent mates in and out, and some would spend most of their shifts down the pub!
But yeah, the closures were all Maggie's fault…"
Nowadays Labour loves shutting down coal mines and steelworks.
Labour still cares about the workers. It’s just the Chinese workers they care about not the ones in Britain. |
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"In 1970 she was education minister..
fab time traveller society daytrip to blackpool .... anyone interested meet here 9.00am last wednesday
Will there be cake..?
Proper sized wagon wheels from back in the day..
no cake .... but there will be foot long curly wurlys and if you got any empty corona pop bottles you'll 8p back on every one ... oh, and there'll be white dog poo
8? Was thruppunce I think, used to borrow them off one side and go round again till they put two blokes on the lorry..
Curly wurlies and dog poo sort of go together in a weird way.."
8p, in the 70's I was getting 10p a bottle the same price has a bag of kayli sherbet. |
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"the pension liability from privatisation is still with us. people who took the early retirement offer of a full gold plated pension at age 46 (along with the lump sum and shares etc.) .... my own late father who passed away just a couple of years ago, was in receipt of in excess of 3000 a month .... and there's people who will be receiving similar size payments for the next 10 years. that's 50 years worth for thousands of people to sit at home all paid for by the taxpayer just to strip the assets from the country. the money from those assets didn't last long either... perhaps until 1994 at the most. like they say, 'it's the economy stupid'"
Yer same my late farther was British Gas such a good pension + Discount on Gas even in retirement and got given shears when privatised and on top for every shear he purchased was given another. So a pound turned in to £8 0ver night. Good for him but not so good for the country. |
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"the pension liability from privatisation is still with us. people who took the early retirement offer of a full gold plated pension at age 46 (along with the lump sum and shares etc.) .... my own late father who passed away just a couple of years ago, was in receipt of in excess of 3000 a month .... and there's people who will be receiving similar size payments for the next 10 years. that's 50 years worth for thousands of people to sit at home all paid for by the taxpayer just to strip the assets from the country. the money from those assets didn't last long either... perhaps until 1994 at the most. like they say, 'it's the economy stupid'
Yer same my late farther was British Gas such a good pension + Discount on Gas even in retirement and got given shears when privatised and on top for every shear he purchased was given another. So a pound turned in to £8 0ver night. Good for him but not so good for the country."
Shears? Did he have a big hedge? |
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I've been greatly surprised by this thread. I expected it to quickly fill up with Thatcher hate posts, but so far most people have actually discussed her 'legacy' without just venting.
Well done all of you. |
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"the pension liability from privatisation is still with us. people who took the early retirement offer of a full gold plated pension at age 46 (along with the lump sum and shares etc.) .... my own late father who passed away just a couple of years ago, was in receipt of in excess of 3000 a month .... and there's people who will be receiving similar size payments for the next 10 years. that's 50 years worth for thousands of people to sit at home all paid for by the taxpayer just to strip the assets from the country. the money from those assets didn't last long either... perhaps until 1994 at the most. like they say, 'it's the economy stupid'
Yer same my late farther was British Gas such a good pension + Discount on Gas even in retirement and got given shears when privatised and on top for every shear he purchased was given another. So a pound turned in to £8 0ver night. Good for him but not so good for the country.
Shears? Did he have a big hedge?"
No I had to cut the Hedge or not get my pocket money if it got out of control. |
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"I've been greatly surprised by this thread. I expected it to quickly fill up with Thatcher hate posts, but so far most people have actually discussed her 'legacy' without just venting.
Well done all of you."
Wait a minute I ain't saying Mrs Thatcher did good, but she did deliberately set out to break the solidarity and strength of the industrial manufacturing working class, thatchers Britain closed down a vast majority of the industrial heartlands reducing the GDP returns for the that sector which was vastly more than it is now similar to exports, it has all gone to the developing industrial parts of the globe, we do export a lot of financial banking services which is were the majority of the GDP returns come from these days.  |
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"Not a massive fan but she was a real leader.
And compared to this bunch of criminal, weak , useless Liebour party she was an angel."
I always say that Thatcher and zkinnock, were the only decent politicians britain ever had. Everyone since then, seems to be helping themselves, instead of running a country. |
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"And as for The right to BUY housing schemes, what a mess that was always going to be, let's sell a £50k house for £5k.
Lots of people benefitted from right to buy. I think it was a 50% discount.
But either way more social hosing should have been built to replenish the hosing stock; that was the biggest failing. Interestingly the Labour government didn't abolish that right either.
Was a discount based on how long you had been renting as I remember. But no one was going to have the money to replace the houses that where sold at a discount. That is why there is a shortage now. So in my mind people that are for this system have to live with the shortage of social housing. "
There is a shortage because of the lifetime tenancy that was automatically given as a council tenant. Lots and lots of elderly people in 3/4 bed houses that are not being moved into suitable accommodation, so that families can have a home. We need more housing associations and less cheap council accommodation, where too many are enjoying cheap rent and higher wages. Council rent should be set according to household income, not per property. |
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"Lots and lots of elderly people in 3/4 bed houses that are not being moved into suitable accommodation, so that families can have a home. We need more housing associations and less cheap council accommodation, where too many are enjoying cheap rent and higher wages. Council rent should be set according to household income, not per property."
But if people are charged according to income, then those elderly people will be able to stay in their 4 bed houses for cheap, while the young couple with a baby in a 1 bed flat will be paying more for the privilege. Is that really how you want council rent to work? |
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"I've been greatly surprised by this thread. I expected it to quickly fill up with Thatcher hate posts, but so far most people have actually discussed her 'legacy' without just venting.
Well done all of you.
Wait a minute I ain't saying Mrs Thatcher did good, but she did deliberately set out to break the solidarity and strength of the industrial manufacturing working class, thatchers Britain closed down a vast majority of the industrial heartlands reducing the GDP returns for the that sector which was vastly more than it is now similar to exports, it has all gone to the developing industrial parts of the globe, we do export a lot of financial banking services which is were the majority of the GDP returns come from these days. "
What she broke was the str@nglehold that militant Bolshevik trade union leaders had over the 'industrial manufacturing working class' who then proceeded to inflict misery on the nation. Zero sympathy. |
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"I've been greatly surprised by this thread. I expected it to quickly fill up with Thatcher hate posts, but so far most people have actually discussed her 'legacy' without just venting.
Well done all of you.
Wait a minute I ain't saying Mrs Thatcher did good, but she did deliberately set out to break the solidarity and strength of the industrial manufacturing working class, thatchers Britain closed down a vast majority of the industrial heartlands reducing the GDP returns for the that sector which was vastly more than it is now similar to exports, it has all gone to the developing industrial parts of the globe, we do export a lot of financial banking services which is were the majority of the GDP returns come from these days.
What she broke was the str@nglehold that militant Bolshevik trade union leaders had over the 'industrial manufacturing working class' who then proceeded to inflict misery on the nation. Zero sympathy."
Yes it's very hard to sympathise with the unions from that time.
From Red Robbo (remember him?) and his cohorts destroying the once world class car industry to coal miners switching the lights off pretty much on a whim. There were dozens if not hundreds of other instances. It got so bad that even the Carry On gang made a movie highlighting the absurdity of it.
Someone had to tackle them head on. Labour where in hock to the Unions so it was cometh the hour cometh the woman.
Sad to see that in some areas, railways being a prime example, we are creeping back and Labour (as we have already seen) will never grasp that nettle. |
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"I've been greatly surprised by this thread. I expected it to quickly fill up with Thatcher hate posts, but so far most people have actually discussed her 'legacy' without just venting.
Well done all of you.
Wait a minute I ain't saying Mrs Thatcher did good, but she did deliberately set out to break the solidarity and strength of the industrial manufacturing working class, thatchers Britain closed down a vast majority of the industrial heartlands reducing the GDP returns for the that sector which was vastly more than it is now similar to exports, it has all gone to the developing industrial parts of the globe, we do export a lot of financial banking services which is were the majority of the GDP returns come from these days.
What she broke was the str@nglehold that militant Bolshevik trade union leaders had over the 'industrial manufacturing working class' who then proceeded to inflict misery on the nation. Zero sympathy.
Yes it's very hard to sympathise with the unions from that time.
From Red Robbo (remember him?) and his cohorts destroying the once world class car industry to coal miners switching the lights off pretty much on a whim. There were dozens if not hundreds of other instances. It got so bad that even the Carry On gang made a movie highlighting the absurdity of it.
Someone had to tackle them head on. Labour where in hock to the Unions so it was cometh the hour cometh the woman.
Sad to see that in some areas, railways being a prime example, we are creeping back and Labour (as we have already seen) will never grasp that nettle."
Oh yes the absurdity. Remember The Stawbs song Part of the Union? Sums up the UK at the time perfectly. It should be played in full before the 6-o-Clock News every day |
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By *9alMan 7 weeks ago
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"I've been greatly surprised by this thread. I expected it to quickly fill up with Thatcher hate posts, but so far most people have actually discussed her 'legacy' without just venting.
Well done all of you.
Wait a minute I ain't saying Mrs Thatcher did good, but she did deliberately set out to break the solidarity and strength of the industrial manufacturing working class, thatchers Britain closed down a vast majority of the industrial heartlands reducing the GDP returns for the that sector which was vastly more than it is now similar to exports, it has all gone to the developing industrial parts of the globe, we do export a lot of financial banking services which is were the majority of the GDP returns come from these days.
What she broke was the str@nglehold that militant Bolshevik trade union leaders had over the 'industrial manufacturing working class' who then proceeded to inflict misery on the nation. Zero sympathy.
Yes it's very hard to sympathise with the unions from that time.
From Red Robbo (remember him?) and his cohorts destroying the once world class car industry to coal miners switching the lights off pretty much on a whim. There were dozens if not hundreds of other instances. It got so bad that even the Carry On gang made a movie highlighting the absurdity of it.
Someone had to tackle them head on. Labour where in hock to the Unions so it was cometh the hour cometh the woman.
Sad to see that in some areas, railways being a prime example, we are creeping back and Labour (as we have already seen) will never grasp that nettle.
Oh yes the absurdity. Remember The Stawbs song Part of the Union? Sums up the UK at the time perfectly. It should be played in full before the 6-o-Clock News every day "
whilst there were some excessive union practices in the 70s unions did protect workers against unfair contracts & kept wages up, are working people better off with zero hours contracts & low wages that need to be topped up with benefits? The rail unions have managed to keep their members wages up . Most of us have seen our wages reduced in real terms for decades while wealthy management & hedge funds etc have prospered, Thatcherism has not worked for ordinary people. |
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trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems. |
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems. "
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal? |
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?"
yes, plenty of industrial settings where union membership is a contractual requirement. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?"
Compulsory union membership is illegal. This is why we have the "right to choose" in UK employment law.
I find union supporters and ambassadors are mostly driven by gut feel. |
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
Compulsory union membership is illegal. This is why we have the "right to choose" in UK employment law.
I find union supporters and ambassadors are mostly driven by gut feel. "
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?"
Completely illegal in the UK. |
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
Completely illegal in the UK."
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
Compulsory union membership is illegal. This is why we have the "right to choose" in UK employment law.
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'Compulsory' Union membership sounds like a scam to get money out of naive/desperate employees. I doubt if the Unions even see any money. |
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
yes, plenty of industrial settings where union membership is a contractual requirement."
Never heard of that before. In effect that is a "closed shop" something that was outlawed years, nay decades ago. |
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The UK was a basket case, well down down the road to third world living standards and the laughing stock of Europe. The country barely functioned at a day-to-day level. world. Was her medicine nasty?
This sounds familiar |
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems. "
No problem with responsible trade unionism. I'd say a union member should be on every board of directors. But in the 70s & 80s the unions had been hijacked my militant wreckers intent on bring the country to it's knees. Without Thatcher they would have succeeded. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
yes, plenty of industrial settings where union membership is a contractual requirement.
Never heard of that before. In effect that is a "closed shop" something that was outlawed years, nay decades ago."
It would be a closed shop.
Even if an employer pays the union fees for an employee they must be given an option to opt out and it would never be part of any uk employment contract, not one that was legal.
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
yes, plenty of industrial settings where union membership is a contractual requirement.
Never heard of that before. In effect that is a "closed shop" something that was outlawed years, nay decades ago.
It would be a closed shop.
Even if an employer pays the union fees for an employee they must be given an option to opt out and it would never be part of any uk employment contract, not one that was legal.
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By *9alMan 7 weeks ago
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?"
I have found the opposite, my employer actively discourages union membership & find ways to get rid of anyone who is in a union, may not be legal but difficult to prove, |
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
yes, plenty of industrial settings where union membership is a contractual requirement.
Never heard of that before. In effect that is a "closed shop" something that was outlawed years, nay decades ago.
It would be a closed shop.
Even if an employer pays the union fees for an employee they must be given an option to opt out and it would never be part of any uk employment contract, not one that was legal.
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Can you clarify which Union you are signing people up to ? |
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
yes, plenty of industrial settings where union membership is a contractual requirement.
Never heard of that before. In effect that is a "closed shop" something that was outlawed years, nay decades ago.
It would be a closed shop.
Even if an employer pays the union fees for an employee they must be given an option to opt out and it would never be part of any uk employment contract, not one that was legal.
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Can you clarify which Union you are signing people up to ? "
i'm not signing anybody up to any union
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union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
I have found the opposite, my employer actively discourages union membership & find ways to get rid of anyone who is in a union, may not be legal but difficult to prove, "
You do realise that you can sign up to a union that represents your industry and you do not have to tell your employer
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“Lots and lots of elderly people in 3/4 bed houses that are not being moved into suitable accommodation, so that families can have a home”
Agree 100%, as any objectively-minded person would… BUT, whenever it’s been tried, even to the extent of Granny being allowed to remain in the 3/4 bed house with an increase to her cheap rent, it was labelled by the press “Bedroom Tax” and politicians who wanted to stay in their jobs chickened out.
As for Trade Unions, I say (only half-jokingly) that if it weren’t for them we’d all be working sixteen hours a day down a coalmine. Showing my age, as a young man I was in the T&GW and NATSOPA, my respective employers weren’t “closed-shop” (it was illegal even then), but their employment contracts allowed for a deduction to be made from our wages and a choice made between it covering union membership fees or given to charitable causes. As the money was being taken anyway, we naturally opted for being protected by a trade union. |
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By *9alMan 7 weeks ago
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
I have found the opposite, my employer actively discourages union membership & find ways to get rid of anyone who is in a union, may not be legal but difficult to prove,
You do realise that you can sign up to a union that represents your industry and you do not have to tell your employer
Just pay your dues"
its not obvious which union represents my industry as its a newish field, I am sure some would take my money but would they be any help in a crisis? |
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Thatcher caused the Falklands War with her swinging defence cuts and ignoring the sabre rattling of the Argentines. Once the invasion happened she had to win back the islands to save both her skin and the Tory party's, no matter how many died to take back the islands it had to be done to keep her in power.
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By *coptoCouple 7 weeks ago
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Really? And I thought the landing of Argentine troops on the island (Operación Rosario) was the cause!
Despite Reagan favouring a "deal" the Argentine junta set impossible conditions, and even Michael Foot didn't dare object too strongly with British public opinion being what it was.
Of course, when the body bags started coming home...
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"union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems."
"Contractual requirement? Is that legal?"
"Completely illegal in the UK."
After the introduction of the Employment Act 1990, all forms of "Closed Shop" are illegal in the UK.
It might be included in an employment contract, but as an unenforceable clause, it holds no power. |
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"Thatcher caused the Falklands War with her swinging defence cuts and ignoring the sabre rattling of the Argentines. Once the invasion happened she had to win back the islands to save both her skin and the Tory party's, no matter how many died to take back the islands it had to be done to keep her in power.
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it cost my family my eldest brother .... it wasn't worth the loss  |
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"Thatcher caused the Falklands War with her swinging defence cuts and ignoring the sabre rattling of the Argentines. Once the invasion happened she had to win back the islands to save both her skin and the Tory party's, no matter how many died to take back the islands it had to be done to keep her in power.
it cost my family my eldest brother .... it wasn't worth the loss "
Thoughts with you mate..
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"Brought inflation under control post labour.
Reformed trade unions, which crippled the UK.
Deregulated London's financial markets, that kick started the city we have today.
Took back the Falklands from Argentina.
Helped end the cold war.
Privatised BT, British Gas, British airways and Steel.
She did a lot and stuck to her word unlike the politicians we have today.
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"trade union derangement syndrome is still very strong with the few in the south east that did well out of thatcherism.
union membership is a contractual requirement for the lads that work for me. it ensures that they get access to all sorts of benefits as a result, which gives peace of mind when 3rd parties fuck up and cause problems.
I'm from the north west and did great thanks.
Contractual requirement? Is that legal?
I have found the opposite, my employer actively discourages union membership & find ways to get rid of anyone who is in a union, may not be legal but difficult to prove,
You do realise that you can sign up to a union that represents your industry and you do not have to tell your employer
Just pay your dues
its not obvious which union represents my industry as its a newish field, I am sure some would take my money but would they be any help in a crisis?"
They would provide employment law advice and if needed a lawyer to fight your case. |
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