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Doubtful that Russia will withdraw from the occupied territories. What would happen to the people within those lands whose allegiance is more with Russia than Ukraine? I can’t imagine they would be welcomed back by the Ukrainian authorities. Likely to be a massacre.
I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
But good luck to Ukraine if it wants to fight on. Not really the UK’s problem. If Greece and Spain want to continue providing support good luck to them. |
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"Doubtful that Russia will withdraw from the occupied territories. What would happen to the people within those lands whose allegiance is more with Russia than Ukraine? I can’t imagine they would be welcomed back by the Ukrainian authorities. Likely to be a massacre.
I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
But good luck to Ukraine if it wants to fight on. Not really the UK’s problem. If Greece and Spain want to continue providing support good luck to them."
So what happens to the farmer or homes that where in ukrain but are now under Russia occupation and let's say said farmer was at war with Russia, they can't exactly just go home or would be arrested, or worse. |
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I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
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Lavrov said this yesterday, no nato troops in Ukraine as peacekeepers.
French Mirage jets used for the first time last night and wait for a squadron of Typhoons, don’t think it will be long before the gloves are off |
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"French Mirage jets in the skies last night
Won’t be long before the RAF are there"
To defend Poland from missiles apparently.
The mail also has trump saying Putin needs peace. But dose not say why. Think there maybe trouble at home. Apparently he dose not want the vetrans back as they might come for him. |
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"Doubtful that Russia will withdraw from the occupied territories. What would happen to the people within those lands whose allegiance is more with Russia than Ukraine? I can’t imagine they would be welcomed back by the Ukrainian authorities. Likely to be a massacre.
I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
But good luck to Ukraine if it wants to fight on. Not really the UK’s problem. If Greece and Spain want to continue providing support good luck to them.
So what happens to the farmer or homes that where in ukrain but are now under Russia occupation and let's say said farmer was at war with Russia, they can't exactly just go home or would be arrested, or worse. "
Indeed it’s a tricky situation.
There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians to protect them against violence and threats from Ukraine.
No doubt there are/were people there who regard themselves as Ukrainian too.
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"French Mirage jets in the skies last night
Won’t be long before the RAF are there
To defend Poland from missiles apparently.
The mail also has trump saying Putin needs peace. But dose not say why. Think there maybe trouble at home. Apparently he dose not want the vetrans back as they might come for him. "
Maybe the Americans know that if Putin falls the aftermath might be worse internally for Russians and externally..?
Better the devil you know etc..
Ukraine if it agrees to a cease fire and a peace deal probably knows that what's lost is gone for now.. |
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"Doubtful that Russia will withdraw from the occupied territories. What would happen to the people within those lands whose allegiance is more with Russia than Ukraine? I can’t imagine they would be welcomed back by the Ukrainian authorities. Likely to be a massacre.
I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
But good luck to Ukraine if it wants to fight on. Not really the UK’s problem. If Greece and Spain want to continue providing support good luck to them.
So what happens to the farmer or homes that where in ukrain but are now under Russia occupation and let's say said farmer was at war with Russia, they can't exactly just go home or would be arrested, or worse.
Indeed it’s a tricky situation.
There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians to protect them against violence and threats from Ukraine.
No doubt there are/were people there who regard themselves as Ukrainian too.
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Various estimates IRO 1.5 million damaged homes, 3.7m citizens fled from eastern Ukraine, a country with 95% home ownership recorded in 2021. People have lost everything
Former family homes; refurbished by Russia, Mariupol flats can now be bought online iro €45000 |
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By *coptoCouple 7 weeks ago
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“There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians”
That’s EXACTLY the justification of Germany’s annexation of Czech Sudetanland, which everyone chose to ignore/condone. And we know how that ended... |
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By *ornagainchristianMan 7 weeks ago
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The sad truth is that WWIII is imminent. It’s not ‘if’ it’s ‘when’.
Russia are accelerating their weapons production to well in excess of what they need in Ukraine, and have had a massive strategic and morale boost knowing that Donald Dump is on side (I’d love to know what minuscule fee or cheap sales stunt that defecated cheeseburger of a man sold out his allies for). They know now that the US won’t retaliate with nukes or even standard means of warfare, and that any invasion of NATO countries will be backed up by Dump with an offer of peace provided it means he gets some huge cut of our GDP. Exactly as he’s doing with Ukraine. He’s a playground bully after your lunch money and will happily watch the other bully beat you up until you agree to pay him and go without food yourself.
I hate to say this but I am to some degree trying to come to terms with the possibility that we all may be involved in the conflict soon, and that death may be not so far away. As depressing as that is, I’m starting to feel it’s just the reality of it. I just hope if that time is near I can at least feel like I’ve made my peace, and be taking them, whoever they are, down with me |
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"“There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians”
That’s EXACTLY the justification of Germany’s annexation of Czech Sudetanland, which everyone chose to ignore/condone. And we know how that ended..."
Ukraine is free to carry on fighting if it wishes. Good luck to them.
Unfortunately the UK has been very badly run for a long time and has no money and no military to speak of, so we cannot help.
There are 190 odd countries on the planet. Hopefully some of them may be better placed to assist Ukraine in its struggles. |
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Ukraine if it agrees to a cease fire and a peace deal probably knows that what's lost is gone for now.."
Donbass and Crimea gone for good.
Russia won’t agree to the peace deal in any form because it’s clear Europe is mobilising €800bn investment in defence and actual forces ‘of the willing’. May not be long before French, UK and others have bases in Ukraine
All those handshakes and hugs at this weeks summit will be troops and aircraft soon.
I just don’t see what Russia can do next ? |
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"“There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians”
That’s EXACTLY the justification of Germany’s annexation of Czech Sudetanland, which everyone chose to ignore/condone. And we know how that ended...
Ukraine is free to carry on fighting if it wishes. Good luck to them.
Unfortunately the UK has been very badly run for a long time and has no money and no military to speak of, so we cannot help.
There are 190 odd countries on the planet. Hopefully some of them may be better placed to assist Ukraine in its struggles."
Reported that 18-20 countries are ‘willing’. At 5k troops each plus aircraft and €800bn invested as peacekeepers that’s a formidable force. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"“There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians”
That’s EXACTLY the justification of Germany’s annexation of Czech Sudetanland, which everyone chose to ignore/condone. And we know how that ended...
Ukraine is free to carry on fighting if it wishes. Good luck to them.
Unfortunately the UK has been very badly run for a long time and has no money and no military to speak of, so we cannot help.
There are 190 odd countries on the planet. Hopefully some of them may be better placed to assist Ukraine in its struggles.
Reported that 18-20 countries are ‘willing’. At 5k troops each plus aircraft and €800bn invested as peacekeepers that’s a formidable force. "
The question I have, do they have the ammunition, shells etc to equip? |
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For me I'm fed up with all these crack pots millions been killed why if we can't all get on I'm happy to finish it I'm fed up of living in a world like this I've got a new grandson and I don't hold out for him so I'm up for nuclear war finish it once and for all my hope is that anyone left looks and says never again. |
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I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. |
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"I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. "
it dosent matter if the eu has fouf times the population, do you honestly think people would take any notice if they started calling people to fight for ukraine? The goverment in this country seem to hate the se tion of society they would expect to fight, really cant see them bding in any hurry to put there lives on the line for smarmmer
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"I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. "
I think if more keyboard corporals did something about it and actually went to fight in Ukraine maybe Ukraine would have won already. At least then we could say they practise their principles and it’s not just a load of hot air.
Though to be fair I think conscription in the UK could benefit the country as I’d expect the population to drop by about ten million overnight as anyone with a foreign passport will be on the next available flights out.
Luckily I’m too old but maybe I’ll get enlisted into the Home Guard and have to protect the local mosque with a broom handle. I’ll learn some Russian just in case.
Though with Labour in charge I’ll probably have to buy my own broom handle and (non elitist) uniform. |
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"I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. it dosent matter if the eu has fouf times the population, do you honestly think people would take any notice if they started calling people to fight for ukraine? The goverment in this country seem to hate the se tion of society they would expect to fight, really cant see them bding in any hurry to put there lives on the line for smarmmer"
BBC south west half an hour ago mid interview ‘ possible deployment ‘ in Ukraine. |
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"I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. it dosent matter if the eu has fouf times the population, do you honestly think people would take any notice if they started calling people to fight for ukraine? The goverment in this country seem to hate the se tion of society they would expect to fight, really cant see them bding in any hurry to put there lives on the line for smarmmer"
I repeat... willingness to fight |
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"I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. it dosent matter if the eu has fouf times the population, do you honestly think people would take any notice if they started calling people to fight for ukraine? The goverment in this country seem to hate the se tion of society they would expect to fight, really cant see them bding in any hurry to put there lives on the line for smarmmer
BBC south west half an hour ago mid interview ‘ possible deployment ‘ in Ukraine. "
What boots on the ground or air support. Even air support to protect equipment will help Nato can't man a 600Km front line. |
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"I love this Russia won't accept this, that or the next thing shite. At some point, the EU or Europe is going to have to say tough. How's about a full scale special military operation into russian territory? I repeat that EU has 10x the money of russia, four times the population, NATO without the US is far more advanced than Russia so the issue is willingness to fight. it dosent matter if the eu has fouf times the population, do you honestly think people would take any notice if they started calling people to fight for ukraine? The goverment in this country seem to hate the se tion of society they would expect to fight, really cant see them bding in any hurry to put there lives on the line for smarmmer
BBC south west half an hour ago mid interview ‘ possible deployment ‘ in Ukraine.
What boots on the ground or air support. Even air support to protect equipment will help Nato can't man a 600Km front line. "
If the bombing doesn’t stop I think there may be intervention. By who, when and where exactly I have no idea, but the mood and language is changing now |
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
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Just to note: Ukraine was shoved into many wars started by the USA.
Look at the huge casualties in Ukrainian and Russian lives lost due to neo cons pushing for trouble with Russia.
Toppling a democratic elected leader in UN observed elections then leaving it to go "tits up" starting yet another fucking war with Ukraine and Russia.
To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous, to be an ally of the USA is fucking fatal.
Enough Ukrainians and Russians have died and not starmer is wanting a confrontation with British lives.
Let's see how starmer and the other idiots in parliament would feel sending their sons and daughters to the front line to die. Let's see how theyd like having their kids bleed out on a front line!
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
What would they fight with?
Obviously they'll loose.
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Ukraine is making more and more ammunition, and drones, most countries would probably learn alot about what they have achieved. |
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By *abioMan 7 weeks ago
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"French Mirage jets in the skies last night
Won’t be long before the RAF are there
To defend Poland from missiles apparently.
The mail also has trump saying Putin needs peace. But dose not say why. Think there maybe trouble at home. Apparently he dose not want the vetrans back as they might come for him. "
The reason why the French mirages were “scrambled” last night is that on the Russian attack on Odesa , for the first time in ages the Russians Black Sea fleet launched missiles from submarines…. (Ukraine have actually done a great job of taking out the main Black Sea base and ships that were there)
Because those missiles we’re in effect “heading north” if those missiles didn’t hit Odesa, next stop is basically Lviv, which is only 40 miles from the polish border |
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
What would they fight with?
Obviously they'll loose.
Ukraine is making more and more ammunition, and drones, most countries would probably learn alot about what they have achieved. "
At the cost of many lives. Ukrainian and Russian |
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
What would they fight with?
Obviously they'll loose.
Ukraine is making more and more ammunition, and drones, most countries would probably learn alot about what they have achieved.
At the cost of many lives. Ukrainian and Russian "
Yes probably.
But if putin wants more are you saying give it to him if it saves lives. |
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
What would they fight with?
Obviously they'll loose.
Ukraine is making more and more ammunition, and drones, most countries would probably learn alot about what they have achieved.
At the cost of many lives. Ukrainian and Russian
Yes probably.
But if putin wants more are you saying give it to him if it saves lives. "
In this case (a war of attriciion ) it's purely down to who runs out of troops first.
The Russians have been putting North Koreans into the meat grinder , Ukraine put the Azov? Neo-nazi Militia into th meat grinder and are now wiped out n now putting in conscript and volunteer international units into the meat grinder.
Russia will probably get more north Koreans in ,possibly even the Iranian revolutionary guard
In this case a war of attriciion will mean Russia will win and take over the whole of Ukraine
Or do a peace deal , granted Putin will be ready to break the deal but can give Ukraine time which is against them.
The future? Dissolve NATO as its main partner can't be relied on any more and causes more trouble than they're worth.
When all the shit settles, have a European alliance without the USA.
That way we (Europe) can be dis-associated with usa meddling.
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I'm sorry to say that yes Putin would win the Donbass.
But better than loosing the whole of Ukraine.
Like I say - to be an enemy of the USA is dangerous, to be an ally of the USA is fatal! |
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
What would they fight with?
Obviously they'll loose.
Ukraine is making more and more ammunition, and drones, most countries would probably learn alot about what they have achieved.
At the cost of many lives. Ukrainian and Russian
Yes probably.
But if putin wants more are you saying give it to him if it saves lives.
In this case (a war of attriciion ) it's purely down to who runs out of troops first.
The Russians have been putting North Koreans into the meat grinder , Ukraine put the Azov? Neo-nazi Militia into th meat grinder and are now wiped out n now putting in conscript and volunteer international units into the meat grinder.
Russia will probably get more north Koreans in ,possibly even the Iranian revolutionary guard
In this case a war of attriciion will mean Russia will win and take over the whole of Ukraine
Or do a peace deal , granted Putin will be ready to break the deal but can give Ukraine time which is against them.
The future? Dissolve NATO as its main partner can't be relied on any more and causes more trouble than they're worth.
When all the shit settles, have a European alliance without the USA.
That way we (Europe) can be dis-associated with usa meddling.
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definitely agree with the last part |
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By (user no longer on site) 7 weeks ago
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"Will Ukraine troops on the ground still fight on. Without US Support or supply's.
What would they fight with?
Obviously they'll loose.
Ukraine is making more and more ammunition, and drones, most countries would probably learn alot about what they have achieved.
At the cost of many lives. Ukrainian and Russian
Yes probably.
But if putin wants more are you saying give it to him if it saves lives. "
It's gauling to think of giving in to Putin and I hear what you say btw, it's just an in winnable situation the USA put Ukraine in
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By *ada123Couple 7 weeks ago
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"Doubtful that Russia will withdraw from the occupied territories. What would happen to the people within those lands whose allegiance is more with Russia than Ukraine? I can’t imagine they would be welcomed back by the Ukrainian authorities. Likely to be a massacre.
I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
But good luck to Ukraine if it wants to fight on. Not really the UK’s problem. If Greece and Spain want to continue providing support good luck to them.
So what happens to the farmer or homes that where in ukrain but are now under Russia occupation and let's say said farmer was at war with Russia, they can't exactly just go home or would be arrested, or worse.
Indeed it’s a tricky situation.
There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians to protect them against violence and threats from Ukraine.
No doubt there are/were people there who regard themselves as Ukrainian too.
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Wasn't that the exact same excuse used by Hitler when he invaded the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia? Russia spent years creating unrest to justify invading.
There are 502,216 Chinese living in Britain. I am sure some are unhappy. Does that give them China the right to invade? |
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By *abioMan 7 weeks ago
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"Doubtful that Russia will withdraw from the occupied territories. What would happen to the people within those lands whose allegiance is more with Russia than Ukraine? I can’t imagine they would be welcomed back by the Ukrainian authorities. Likely to be a massacre.
I can’t see Russia accepting any NATO forces on its border either.
But good luck to Ukraine if it wants to fight on. Not really the UK’s problem. If Greece and Spain want to continue providing support good luck to them."
Donetsk and Donbas might be more Russian, but the rest is definitely more Ukrainian! |
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By *abioMan 7 weeks ago
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"“There are vast numbers of people in what was eastern Ukraine who regard themselves as Russian. It may be propaganda but Russia in part “invaded” these areas because they were “invited in” by Russians”
That’s EXACTLY the justification of Germany’s annexation of Czech Sudetanland, which everyone chose to ignore/condone. And we know how that ended...
Ukraine is free to carry on fighting if it wishes. Good luck to them.
Unfortunately the UK has been very badly run for a long time and has no money and no military to speak of, so we cannot help.
There are 190 odd countries on the planet. Hopefully some of them may be better placed to assist Ukraine in its struggles.
Reported that 18-20 countries are ‘willing’. At 5k troops each plus aircraft and €800bn invested as peacekeepers that’s a formidable force.
The question I have, do they have the ammunition, shells etc to equip? "
The answer is “they will”
Remember that “loan” Britain gave to Ukraine last week… basically Ukraine are spending it on ammunition being built by BAE in Belfast
The biggest advantage the us have is procurement processes.. 1 type of everything for one type of equipment…. If the Europeans can streamline their procurement processes rather than each country doing it separately.. it would definitely speed up everything |
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The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it. |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it."
Yes it is time to end it.
Ukraine defeated because of its so called allies. Willing European NATO members could put 500 jets in the skies now and see Russia off while it is also weakened. |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it.
Yes it is time to end it.
Ukraine defeated because of its so called allies. Willing European NATO members could put 500 jets in the skies now and see Russia off while it is also weakened. "
…and Russia, if backed into a corner would probably start considering tactical nukes, and then bigger nukes & then we’re all gone.
Like I said, time to end it. |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it.
Yes it is time to end it.
Ukraine defeated because of its so called allies. Willing European NATO members could put 500 jets in the skies now and see Russia off while it is also weakened.
…and Russia, if backed into a corner would probably start considering tactical nukes, and then bigger nukes & then we’re all gone.
Like I said, time to end it."
Usyk pushed back and defeated a bully, the bully then retired. |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it.
Yes it is time to end it.
Ukraine defeated because of its so called allies. Willing European NATO members could put 500 jets in the skies now and see Russia off while it is also weakened.
…and Russia, if backed into a corner would probably start considering tactical nukes, and then bigger nukes & then we’re all gone.
Like I said, time to end it.
Usyk pushed back and defeated a bully, the bully then retired. "
Fury didn’t have nukes for fists tbf |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it.
Yes it is time to end it.
Ukraine defeated because of its so called allies. Willing European NATO members could put 500 jets in the skies now and see Russia off while it is also weakened. "
you honestly think russia wouldn't start shooting planes down?and correct me if I'm wrong didn't jrts get given to ukraine? Think they lost a couple just after they got given them but since then it seems like they don't wana put them up in case they lose anymore,another game changer that didn't change anything |
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"More successful air strikes last night thanks to USA. Reported 11 killed
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the russians were having successfull air strikes long before trump stopped aid but I guess if your only watching sky or BBC you will think that they are shooting 90% of everything out of the sky |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it."
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"More successful air strikes last night thanks to USA. Reported 11 killed
the russians were having successfull air strikes long before trump stopped aid but I guess if your only watching sky or BBC you will think that they are shooting 90% of everything out of the sky"
If you think glide bombs targeting residential areas, schools, hospitals etc is a sign of success then a lot are still getting through. |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it.
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Time for everyone in the west to agree they have failed Ukraine and agree a peace deal by handing over the donbass, return €300bn Russian assets held under sanctions, release all other sanctions, reinstate all the trade, forget reparations, no European troops in Ukraine etc and move on. This is the only deal Russia will be agreeing to. |
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"The best the Ukies can hope for is the end of the war along current lines.
Russia isn’t giving up what it has won.
Ukraine hasn’t got the manpower to win it back.
Whatever additional manpower Europe can supply would probably be matched by Iran/NK/China on the Russian side.
Like Trump says, time to end it.
Yes it is time to end it.
Ukraine defeated because of its so called allies. Willing European NATO members could put 500 jets in the skies now and see Russia off while it is also weakened.
…and Russia, if backed into a corner would probably start considering tactical nukes, and then bigger nukes & then we’re all gone.
Like I said, time to end it."
"bigger nukes" Great idea. Let us end it all.
When the history of humanity is written by an intelligent cockroach let it show the good humans died standing up to a murderous tirant and his transactional, narcissistic, cowardly puppet, rather than cowering behind their pc monitor saying "I am frightened! Putin has nukes".  |
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"More successful air strikes last night thanks to USA. Reported 11 killed
the russians were having successfull air strikes long before trump stopped aid but I guess if your only watching sky or BBC you will think that they are shooting 90% of everything out of the sky
If you think glide bombs targeting residential areas, schools, hospitals etc is a sign of success then a lot are still getting through. "
its a war they will be hittin whatever they can bit like us and the yanks in iraq we seemed pretty happy blowing up shit in residential neighbourhoods, does make me laugh yhat people think anyone sticks too rules during war |
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Time for everyone in the west to agree they have failed Ukraine and agree a peace deal by handing over the donbass, return €300bn Russian assets held under sanctions, release all other sanctions, reinstate all the trade, forget reparations, no European troops in Ukraine etc and move on. This is the only deal Russia will be agreeing to. "
Well let’s see eh?
The fact we seem to be making tentative steps now towards negotiations I think is a positive.
What’s the alternative? Forever wars?
Let’s not forget here, the Russians, whether you agree with their reasons, nonetheless had their reasons for invading Ukraine. They didn’t do it for no reasons at all did they?
I actually see their pov regarding NATO expansion & think the US in particular are hypocrites.
You think of the Cuban Missile Crisis & the US reaction to that.
You also think of the fuss they kicked up over a single Chinese balloon flying over?
Why should Russia accept the encroachment of a so called ‘defensive’ organisation creeping towards their border? Like Putin said, who is the defensive alliance directed towards?
It began expanding under Boris Yeltsin ffs. Yeltsin was no threat to The West.
So what was the excuse?
Answer: The US was using NATO as a tool to maintain US hegemony over the European continent.
Something Europe has now found out under Trump to its own cost. |
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"More successful air strikes last night thanks to USA. Reported 11 killed
the russians were having successfull air strikes long before trump stopped aid but I guess if your only watching sky or BBC you will think that they are shooting 90% of everything out of the sky
If you think glide bombs targeting residential areas, schools, hospitals etc is a sign of success then a lot are still getting through. its a war they will be hittin whatever they can bit like us and the yanks in iraq we seemed pretty happy blowing up shit in residential neighbourhoods, does make me laugh yhat people think anyone sticks too rules during war"
USA has paid $2.5bn reparations to Iraq and UK paid £5.4million. Uk spent £10bn on the war and over 400 Uk service personnel’s lives. No winners there.
Ukraine will likely lose 20% territory, need 3/4 trillion euros to rebuild, an undisclosed 250-400k lives lost, and €300bn in loans and repayable lend lease, at the very least. |
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Time for everyone in the west to agree they have failed Ukraine and agree a peace deal by handing over the donbass, return €300bn Russian assets held under sanctions, release all other sanctions, reinstate all the trade, forget reparations, no European troops in Ukraine etc and move on. This is the only deal Russia will be agreeing to.
Well let’s see eh?
The fact we seem to be making tentative steps now towards negotiations I think is a positive.
What’s the alternative? Forever wars?
Let’s not forget here, the Russians, whether you agree with their reasons, nonetheless had their reasons for invading Ukraine. They didn’t do it for no reasons at all did they?
I actually see their pov regarding NATO expansion & think the US in particular are hypocrites.
You think of the Cuban Missile Crisis & the US reaction to that.
You also think of the fuss they kicked up over a single Chinese balloon flying over?
Why should Russia accept the encroachment of a so called ‘defensive’ organisation creeping towards their border? Like Putin said, who is the defensive alliance directed towards?
It began expanding under Boris Yeltsin ffs. Yeltsin was no threat to The West.
So what was the excuse?
Answer: The US was using NATO as a tool to maintain US hegemony over the European continent.
Something Europe has now found out under Trump to its own cost."
So concede and end the war. Nobody anywhere except Ukraine is standing up to Russia so get the peace deal done. |
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Any peace deal will be capitulation by Ukraine’s allies
Russian MP and TV presenter Yevgeny Popov told BBC Newsnight last night that the prospect of UK soldiers in Ukraine was "unacceptable" and warned that "British troops will be direct targets for our missiles, you will get coffins in return". |
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"Any peace deal will be capitulation by Ukraine’s allies
Russian MP and TV presenter Yevgeny Popov told BBC Newsnight last night that the prospect of UK soldiers in Ukraine was "unacceptable" and warned that "British troops will be direct targets for our missiles, you will get coffins in return"."
Think the other quote was We will fertilis the soil with British Blood. |
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the russians like to talk a lot of talk, but their talk comes cheap ... they've been all mouth and no trousers since they started with their antics and all it's got them is hundreds of thousands of dead russians and fuck all else. |
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"the russians like to talk a lot of talk, but their talk comes cheap ... they've been all mouth and no trousers since they started with their antics and all it's got them is hundreds of thousands of dead russians and fuck all else."
It's also got them a broken economy. Short on workers and interest rates sky high. |
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"Any peace deal will be capitulation by Ukraine’s allies
Russian MP and TV presenter Yevgeny Popov told BBC Newsnight last night that the prospect of UK soldiers in Ukraine was "unacceptable" and warned that "British troops will be direct targets for our missiles, you will get coffins in return"."
Coffins? Luxury!!! Most Russian and N.Korea soldiers are left where they fell to be eaten by starving dogs, pigs, rats and, on occasions, their starving comrades.
Similar to what King Donald once said "They are eating the DAWGS!!" only in Ukraine he would say "The dawgs are eating them!!"  |
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"the russians like to talk a lot of talk, but their talk comes cheap ... they've been all mouth and no trousers since they started with their antics and all it's got them is hundreds of thousands of dead russians and fuck all else."
If by fuck all else you mean a land corridor to Crimea then yeah that’s fuck all. And they are still inching forwards btw |
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"Any peace deal will be capitulation by Ukraine’s allies
Russian MP and TV presenter Yevgeny Popov told BBC Newsnight last night that the prospect of UK soldiers in Ukraine was "unacceptable" and warned that "British troops will be direct targets for our missiles, you will get coffins in return".
Coffins? Luxury!!! Most Russian and N.Korea soldiers are left where they fell to be eaten by starving dogs, pigs, rats and, on occasions, their starving comrades.
Similar to what King Donald once said "They are eating the DAWGS!!" only in Ukraine he would say "The dawgs are eating them!!" "
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"Any peace deal will be capitulation by Ukraine’s allies
Russian MP and TV presenter Yevgeny Popov told BBC Newsnight last night that the prospect of UK soldiers in Ukraine was "unacceptable" and warned that "British troops will be direct targets for our missiles, you will get coffins in return".
Think the other quote was We will fertilis the soil with British Blood. "
‘We will fertilise soil with British blood'
and using the bodies of British troops to feed "thousands of local mice".
1895 Russian owned properties in Uk, two thirds of them empty. Time for an auction |
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"Any peace deal will be capitulation by Ukraine’s allies
Russian MP and TV presenter Yevgeny Popov told BBC Newsnight last night that the prospect of UK soldiers in Ukraine was "unacceptable" and warned that "British troops will be direct targets for our missiles, you will get coffins in return".
Think the other quote was We will fertilis the soil with British Blood.
‘We will fertilise soil with British blood'
and using the bodies of British troops to feed "thousands of local mice".
1895 Russian owned properties in Uk, two thirds of them empty. Time for an auction "
yea let's start selling people's property and giving the money away that's really gona attract investors into the country,please invest here but if your country does something we don't like we will seize your assets |
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"still inching forwards btw
in a war that they proclaimed would take 72 hrs .... as proven, russian talk is cheap and they've achieved fuck all else "
pretty sure it was an American military man who said three days |
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