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"I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say,"
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Incineration of Gaza coming while he withdraws support for Ukraine. |
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""I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say,"
says Donald Trump
Incineration of Gaza coming while he withdraws support for Ukraine. "
Or Hamas (or Gazans) could avoid this entirely - step down and lay down arms. Israel has tried complete withdrawal and almost complete autonomy within Gaza. It failed.
Has Hamas *ever* tried peace? Not according to their charter. |
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By *abioMan 7 weeks ago
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Well, to be fair, Hamas did actually fulfill all their obligations in stage 1 of the ceasefire deal.. and want to go to stage 2 (which is Israel withdrawing all their troops from Gaza)
Israel are now the ones dragging their feet.. and have now broken the agreement by refusing to let any humanitarian aid into Gaza at all
So it doesn’t surprise me at all that Trump is backing benny |
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""I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say,"
says Donald Trump
Incineration of Gaza coming while he withdraws support for Ukraine.
Or Hamas (or Gazans) could avoid this entirely - step down and lay down arms. Israel has tried complete withdrawal and almost complete autonomy within Gaza. It failed.
Has Hamas *ever* tried peace? Not according to their charter."
Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing? |
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Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
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That is a valid, but unrelated question.
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Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?"
That's the negotiation, surely. Israel has previously withdrawn completely from Gaza. Gaza is objectively better off without Hamas. It's probable that Israel would withdraw entirely if Hamas were to accept terms and a peacekeeping force (say Egypt/Jordan/Saudi) were empowered during a transition. Probable. Maybe.
What is certain is that life for Gazans would be immensely better without Hamas. |
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""I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say,"
says Donald Trump
Incineration of Gaza coming while he withdraws support for Ukraine.
Or Hamas (or Gazans) could avoid this entirely - step down and lay down arms. Israel has tried complete withdrawal and almost complete autonomy within Gaza. It failed.
Has Hamas *ever* tried peace? Not according to their charter.
Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?"
You've seen the documentary, well at least you said you had so you know the Israel have already withdrew from Gaza on a previous occasion. So it's not Palestinians that they want to see eliminated it's the Hamas terrorists.
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"Well, to be fair, Hamas did actually fulfill all their obligations in stage 1 of the ceasefire deal.. and want to go to stage 2 (which is Israel withdrawing all their troops from Gaza)
Israel are now the ones dragging their feet.. and have now broken the agreement by refusing to let any humanitarian aid into Gaza at all
So it doesn’t surprise me at all that Trump is backing benny "
It's not totally accurate to say that Israel refused to let any humanitarian aid into Gaza at all because they have, there is aid stockpiled in Gaza now waiting to be distributed. This won't last for very long so hopefully this can be resolved and Israel will strat letting aid continue.
Let's not forget though that Hamas aren't playing by all the rules either, trying to pass of remains of a Palestinian woman as the mother of those two boys who also died was shocking and horrendous, especially when it was rectified very quickly once this was exposed, suggesting Hamas knew where these ladies remains actually were all along.
There was also the issue of the group in the North of Gaza who were attacked because they were setting up explosive ordnance up, not very ceasefirey from these guys.
So let's hope the talks can progress and the ceasefire continues.
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Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
That is a valid, but unrelated question.
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?
That's the negotiation, surely. Israel has previously withdrawn completely from Gaza. Gaza is objectively better off without Hamas. It's probable that Israel would withdraw entirely if Hamas were to accept terms and a peacekeeping force (say Egypt/Jordan/Saudi) were empowered during a transition. Probable. Maybe.
What is certain is that life for Gazans would be immensely better without Hamas."
Hamas reportedly democratically elected and also reported 75% gazans supported 7/10 attacks chanting in the streets while Israeli women getting butchered by Islamic savages. |
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""I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say,"
says Donald Trump
Incineration of Gaza coming while he withdraws support for Ukraine.
Or Hamas (or Gazans) could avoid this entirely - step down and lay down arms. Israel has tried complete withdrawal and almost complete autonomy within Gaza. It failed.
Has Hamas *ever* tried peace? Not according to their charter.
Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?You've seen the documentary, well at least you said you had so you know the Israel have already withdrew from Gaza on a previous occasion. So it's not Palestinians that they want to see eliminated it's the Hamas terrorists.
Mrs x"
Fur the report now off air documentary, BBC filmmakers can’t even pick a random boy from a million children without a link to Hamas |
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""I am sending Israel everything it needs to finish the job, not a single Hamas member will be safe if you don't do as I say,"
says Donald Trump
Incineration of Gaza coming while he withdraws support for Ukraine.
Or Hamas (or Gazans) could avoid this entirely - step down and lay down arms. Israel has tried complete withdrawal and almost complete autonomy within Gaza. It failed.
Has Hamas *ever* tried peace? Not according to their charter.
Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?You've seen the documentary, well at least you said you had so you know the Israel have already withdrew from Gaza on a previous occasion. So it's not Palestinians that they want to see eliminated it's the Hamas terrorists.
Mrs x
Fur the report now off air documentary, BBC filmmakers can’t even pick a random boy from a million children without a link to Hamas "
It's not that documentary, this is Israel and tge Palistinians, it's a three part documentary that speaks to the main players about why peace has not be achieved in the area and the reasons for this as described by all sides involved.
It was good but didn't offer anything new to the debate other than a look at the map of West Bank that was proposed by Israel PM, giving the Palestinians over 95% of the territory and 4 % of existing Israel land to make up for the shortfall from the proposal. Palestinians didn't even refuse this, they just ignored it and walked away from any deal.
And it also explained about the Israel defences against the Hamas tunnels, how it was built and how much it cost, didn't know much about that, so that was illuminating for me.
Mrs x
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Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
That is a valid, but unrelated question.
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?
That's the negotiation, surely. Israel has previously withdrawn completely from Gaza. Gaza is objectively better off without Hamas. It's probable that Israel would withdraw entirely if Hamas were to accept terms and a peacekeeping force (say Egypt/Jordan/Saudi) were empowered during a transition. Probable. Maybe.
What is certain is that life for Gazans would be immensely better without Hamas."
It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
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It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
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The point was that Gaza/Hamas could avoid retaliation (as threatened by Trump) by choosing differently. But the discussion always comes back to a form of moralising trench warfare that leads nowhere. Side A good, side B bad. Or (with a sense of snide Western superiority) Side A bad, side B worse. |
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Do war crimes justify counter war crimes like withholding all humanitarian aid?
That is a valid, but unrelated question.
Also re: Hamas - if they disarmed, would Israel withdraw or continue their persecution of Gazans for existing?
That's the negotiation, surely. Israel has previously withdrawn completely from Gaza. Gaza is objectively better off without Hamas. It's probable that Israel would withdraw entirely if Hamas were to accept terms and a peacekeeping force (say Egypt/Jordan/Saudi) were empowered during a transition. Probable. Maybe.
What is certain is that life for Gazans would be immensely better without Hamas.
It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
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So explain exactly how Hamas was created by Israel? Because as far as I'm aware it's an off shoot of previous terrorist groups and Palestinians were committing acts of terror way before the state of Israel was established in 1948. Hamas was created due to certain individuals hatred of Jews, simple. It was in their constitution but you ignore that.
You cannot negotiate with Hamas leaders, if you'd watched the documentary you'd know this. Khaled Meshaal has stated, in that documentary you referenced in your OP, that 'political action is futile without resistance'.
He doubled down on this when he said...'we have learned through our long history with this enemy they only succumb to pressure from armed resistance'.
And to make it absolutely clear you cannot negotiate with these terrorists he said, whilst emerging theatrically from the middle of a missile, built on a stage, after another ceasefire in 2012 that... 'our message was true politics comes from the heart of the missile not from absurd negotiations'.
These are direct quotes from this documentary. Love to see you spin this.
As for the West Bank, they were offered over 95% of it, with Israel only keeping just less than 5%, with the shortfall being made up of some other Israeli territories but Fatah just walked away and didn't come back to conclude the negotiations.
Just shows you that you cannot negotiate with these groups. They don't want a two state solution they just want all the land to be one Palestinian state.
Gaza was handed back by Sharon and the West Bank was almost handed back by Olmert. But the Palestinians just walked away from negotiations. This is all in the documentary, the one you asked us to watch but you seem to refuse what was said in it.
Watch it and see if I'm lying.
Thses groups cannot even agree with each other, making alliances one minute and then stabbing each other in the back the next.
Abbas even sought Israels help to provide an excuse to cancel elections when he realised Hamas would beat his Fatsh group in an election. You couldn't make it up, going to your alleged enemy to ask for help to save your political career. Watch the documentary see if I'm lying about that.
They cannot be trusted, but then again they are just murderous terrorist scum so what do you expect.
Mrs x
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It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
The point was that Gaza/Hamas could avoid retaliation (as threatened by Trump) by choosing differently. But the discussion always comes back to a form of moralising trench warfare that leads nowhere. Side A good, side B bad. Or (with a sense of snide Western superiority) Side A bad, side B worse."
Do what is your solution realistically?
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It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
The point was that Gaza/Hamas could avoid retaliation (as threatened by Trump) by choosing differently. But the discussion always comes back to a form of moralising trench warfare that leads nowhere. Side A good, side B bad. Or (with a sense of snide Western superiority) Side A bad, side B worse.
Do what is your solution realistically?
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Hamas gives up. Israel withdraws. Someone competent takes over until a benign civilian government emerges. Neither Israel not Gazans will be happy with that, but the killing stops. This forms the basis of whatever the way forward is. |
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It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
The point was that Gaza/Hamas could avoid retaliation (as threatened by Trump) by choosing differently. But the discussion always comes back to a form of moralising trench warfare that leads nowhere. Side A good, side B bad. Or (with a sense of snide Western superiority) Side A bad, side B worse.
Do what is your solution realistically?
Hamas gives up. Israel withdraws. Someone competent takes over until a benign civilian government emerges. Neither Israel not Gazans will be happy with that, but the killing stops. This forms the basis of whatever the way forward is."
You are absolutely right, Hamas need to be removed from power if there's any chance of a peace here,
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It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
The point was that Gaza/Hamas could avoid retaliation (as threatened by Trump) by choosing differently. But the discussion always comes back to a form of moralising trench warfare that leads nowhere. Side A good, side B bad. Or (with a sense of snide Western superiority) Side A bad, side B worse.
Do what is your solution realistically?
Hamas gives up. Israel withdraws. Someone competent takes over until a benign civilian government emerges. Neither Israel not Gazans will be happy with that, but the killing stops. This forms the basis of whatever the way forward is."
I would apply that to Israel too, a benign Gaza and Israel and west bank The removal of all extremists including the Israeli government.
Jews and Palestinians did have some sort of co-existance before all this mess |
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I would apply that to Israel too, a benign Gaza and Israel and west bank The removal of all extremists including the Israeli government.
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You're now equating two dissimilar things.
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Jews and Palestinians did have some sort of co-existance before all this mess"
Not really. Well, technically kind of. Technically they co-exist right now. |
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Do you think Trump will actually act on this soon? Not saying he is right but he could be seen as weak, in some quarters, if he doesn't follow through and that's not whats needed here right now.
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"Do you think Trump will actually act on this soon? Not saying he is right but he could be seen as weak, in some quarters, if he doesn't follow through and that's not whats needed here right now.
Mrs x"
He keeps putting it on Israel. His hands will be "clean" - if nothing happens, he'll blame Israel for dithering. |
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It is related as Hamas commited the act of taking civilian hostages rather than military prisoners and Israel reciprocated by withholding all aid into Gaza .
On the note of Hamas , as I've mentioned before, Israel inadvertantly created Hamas, just to add the part where their constitution of wanting Israel obliterated, doesn't necessarily mean killing all the Jews.
I would certainly like Israel's system of apartheid be dismantled and also taken into administration and the Israeli government abolished in its current form.
The point was that Gaza/Hamas could avoid retaliation (as threatened by Trump) by choosing differently. But the discussion always comes back to a form of moralising trench warfare that leads nowhere. Side A good, side B bad. Or (with a sense of snide Western superiority) Side A bad, side B worse."
Re: the issue of moralising - wasn't that the reason for creating Israel in the first place, yet double standards when applying this to the arabs, in that they have the ordacity to not share or accept the logic of Zionism that they have to acknowledge their inferior existence and be willingly evicted and subjugated and admire the Zionists ?
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Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
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Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
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Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x"
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
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Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
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Statistics, out of context, is basically a lie.
You're suggesting, for example, that the people of Gaza should be able to vote in Israeli elections. |
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"Brilliant, Hamas should be destroyed and don’t give fuck all to Ukraine and the money laundering head zalensky..
If only the UK had balls"
Unfortunately, 'destroyed' is much too close to murdered. There's been too much loss of life on all sides. |
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"Brilliant, Hamas should be destroyed and don’t give fuck all to Ukraine and the money laundering head zalensky..
If only the UK had balls
Unfortunately, 'destroyed' is much too close to murdered. There's been too much loss of life on all sides. "
Exactly! And it's also been proven over and over again that no matter how many terrorists killed you cannot kill an ideology |
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Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
Statistics, out of context, is basically a lie.
You're suggesting, for example, that the people of Gaza should be able to vote in Israeli elections."
Erm no I'm answering the question about Arabs/Palestinians within the border of israel |
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Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
Statistics, out of context, is basically a lie.
You're suggesting, for example, that the people of Gaza should be able to vote in Israeli elections.
Erm no I'm answering the question about Arabs/Palestinians within the border of israel"
Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct. |
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"Another on"
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Arab citizens within Israel have poorly funded schools contributinh to their attaining lower levels of education meaning reduced employment prospects and earning power; compared to the jewish |
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Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
Statistics, out of context, is basically a lie.
You're suggesting, for example, that the people of Gaza should be able to vote in Israeli elections.
Erm no I'm answering the question about Arabs/Palestinians within the border of israel
Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct."
Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4 |
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Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
Statistics, out of context, is basically a lie.
You're suggesting, for example, that the people of Gaza should be able to vote in Israeli elections.
Erm no I'm answering the question about Arabs/Palestinians within the border of israel
Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct.
Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4"
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Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct.
Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4"
Population of Israel is ~10 million.
73.2% are Jews who can vote in Israeli elections.
21.1% are Arabs, who can* vote in Israeli elections.
5.7% are "others" (those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christians other than Arabs and Armenians, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization) who can vote in Israeli elections.
*There is an exception. Arabs in East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel annexed East Jerusalem. Arabs needed to choose to either become citizens of Israel or remain Jordanian (or Palestinian, if you will). Those who chose Israeli citizenship can vote in Israeli elections. The rest can vote in Palestinian elections (as can Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza) but not in Israeli elections.
In short, if one is an Israeli citizen (Arab, Jewish or other), they may vote in Israeli elections. If one is Palestinian but not an Israeli citizen, they may vote in Palestinian elections. |
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
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That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x |
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"Brilliant, Hamas should be destroyed and don’t give fuck all to Ukraine and the money laundering head zalensky..
If only the UK had balls
Unfortunately, 'destroyed' is much too close to murdered. There's been too much loss of life on all sides.
Exactly! And it's also been proven over and over again that no matter how many terrorists killed you cannot kill an ideology"
That's rubbish as well, Nazism in Germany is still a major thing is it?
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"Another on
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Arab citizens within Israel have poorly funded schools contributinh to their attaining lower levels of education meaning reduced employment prospects and earning power; compared to the jewish"
So do working class kids in most countries, that's just economics.
How do you account for those Palestinians in the Knessett, tge Supreme Court as judges then?
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Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct.
Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4
Population of Israel is ~10 million.
73.2% are Jews who can vote in Israeli elections.
21.1% are Arabs, who can* vote in Israeli elections.
5.7% are "others" (those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christians other than Arabs and Armenians, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization) who can vote in Israeli elections.
*There is an exception. Arabs in East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel annexed East Jerusalem. Arabs needed to choose to either become citizens of Israel or remain Jordanian (or Palestinian, if you will). Those who chose Israeli citizenship can vote in Israeli elections. The rest can vote in Palestinian elections (as can Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza) but not in Israeli elections.
In short, if one is an Israeli citizen (Arab, Jewish or other), they may vote in Israeli elections. If one is Palestinian but not an Israeli citizen, they may vote in Palestinian elections."
Please stop, he hates the truth, proper makes a mockery of his wild conspiracy theories he keeps spouting. Yull upset him haha,
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In 2021, the Israeli government approved a $9 billion, five-year plan to boost employment, improve health-care services and housing, and develop infrastructure, among other goals in the "Arab sector". Benjamin Netanyahu has designated more funding for the sector than any of his predecessors. |
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x"
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Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct.
Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4
Population of Israel is ~10 million.
73.2% are Jews who can vote in Israeli elections.
21.1% are Arabs, who can* vote in Israeli elections.
5.7% are "others" (those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christians other than Arabs and Armenians, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization) who can vote in Israeli elections.
*There is an exception. Arabs in East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel annexed East Jerusalem. Arabs needed to choose to either become citizens of Israel or remain Jordanian (or Palestinian, if you will). Those who chose Israeli citizenship can vote in Israeli elections. The rest can vote in Palestinian elections (as can Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza) but not in Israeli elections.
In short, if one is an Israeli citizen (Arab, Jewish or other), they may vote in Israeli elections. If one is Palestinian but not an Israeli citizen, they may vote in Palestinian elections.Please stop, he hates the truth, proper makes a mockery of his wild conspiracy theories he keeps spouting. Yull upset him haha,
Mrs x"
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Are you suggesting that ~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote? That doesn't sound correct.
Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4
Population of Israel is ~10 million.
73.2% are Jews who can vote in Israeli elections.
21.1% are Arabs, who can* vote in Israeli elections.
5.7% are "others" (those with Jewish ancestry but not recognized as Jewish by religious law, non-Jewish family members of Jewish immigrants, Christians other than Arabs and Armenians, and residents without a distinct ethnic or religious categorization) who can vote in Israeli elections.
*There is an exception. Arabs in East Jerusalem. In 1967, Israel annexed East Jerusalem. Arabs needed to choose to either become citizens of Israel or remain Jordanian (or Palestinian, if you will). Those who chose Israeli citizenship can vote in Israeli elections. The rest can vote in Palestinian elections (as can Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza) but not in Israeli elections.
In short, if one is an Israeli citizen (Arab, Jewish or other), they may vote in Israeli elections. If one is Palestinian but not an Israeli citizen, they may vote in Palestinian elections.Please stop, he hates the truth, proper makes a mockery of his wild conspiracy theories he keeps spouting. Yull upset him haha,
Mrs x
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Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with "
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"Brilliant, Hamas should be destroyed and don’t give fuck all to Ukraine and the money laundering head zalensky..
If only the UK had balls
Unfortunately, 'destroyed' is much too close to murdered. There's been too much loss of life on all sides.
Exactly! And it's also been proven over and over again that no matter how many terrorists killed you cannot kill an ideologyThat's rubbish as well, Nazism in Germany is still a major thing is it?
Mrs x"
I don't think you realise it but you've proven my point!
Natism is still alive and well as an ideology as has the Hamas ideology.
Hamas have as many fighters now than before 7 October.
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with "
And it's not my opinion it's a fact, all citizens of Israel have an equal votes in elections, the other poster even gave you a percentage breakdown of the electorate and you still refuse to accept you might be wrong,
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"Brilliant, Hamas should be destroyed and don’t give fuck all to Ukraine and the money laundering head zalensky..
If only the UK had balls
Unfortunately, 'destroyed' is much too close to murdered. There's been too much loss of life on all sides.
Exactly! And it's also been proven over and over again that no matter how many terrorists killed you cannot kill an ideologyThat's rubbish as well, Nazism in Germany is still a major thing is it?
Mrs x
I don't think you realise it but you've proven my point!
Natism is still alive and well as an ideology as has the Hamas ideology.
Hamas have as many fighters now than before 7 October.
Don't believe me? That's the CIA intelligence!"
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with And it's not my opinion it's a fact, all citizens of Israel have an equal votes in elections, the other poster even gave you a percentage breakdown of the electorate and you still refuse to accept you might be wrong,
Mrs x"
Correct my math here.
As I remember what I read 20%? Of the population of Israel is Arab, so that would mean 5% of the population are Arab that are not allowed to vote |
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"Brilliant, Hamas should be destroyed and don’t give fuck all to Ukraine and the money laundering head zalensky..
If only the UK had balls
Unfortunately, 'destroyed' is much too close to murdered. There's been too much loss of life on all sides.
Exactly! And it's also been proven over and over again that no matter how many terrorists killed you cannot kill an ideologyThat's rubbish as well, Nazism in Germany is still a major thing is it?
Mrs x
I don't think you realise it but you've proven my point!
Natism is still alive and well as an ideology as has the Hamas ideology.
Hamas have as many fighters now than before 7 October.
Don't believe me? That's the CIA intelligence!Haha you are quite funny at times, Mrs x"
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with And it's not my opinion it's a fact, all citizens of Israel have an equal votes in elections, the other poster even gave you a percentage breakdown of the electorate and you still refuse to accept you might be wrong,
Mrs x"
Re: the other poster giving me the breakdown of votes: is that the poster who doesn't know the difference between four fifths (80%?) and one quarter (25%) ? You mean That poster? |
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By *otMe66Man 6 weeks ago
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In 70 AD, 100 Jews and Muslims were asked… "What have the Romans ever done for you?"
And the top answer was? They destroyed the Temple and renamed Judea to Palestine
In 1095 AD, 100 Crusaders, Jews, Muslims and Ottomans were asked… "What have the Romans ever done for you?"
And the top answer was? roads, and an empire to fight over.
In 2025 100 people were asked.."What have the Romans ever done for you"?
And the top answer was? Pizza.
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"In 70 AD, 100 Jews and Muslims were asked… "What have the Romans ever done for you?"
And the top answer was? They destroyed the Temple and renamed Judea to Palestine
In 1095 AD, 100 Crusaders, Jews, Muslims and Ottomans were asked… "What have the Romans ever done for you?"
And the top answer was? roads, and an empire to fight over.
In 2025 100 people were asked.."What have the Romans ever done for you"?
And the top answer was? Pizza.
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"In 70 AD, 100 Jews and Muslims were asked… "What have the Romans ever done for you?"
And the top answer was? They destroyed the Temple and renamed Judea to Palestine
In 1095 AD, 100 Crusaders, Jews, Muslims and Ottomans were asked… "What have the Romans ever done for you?"
And the top answer was? roads, and an empire to fight over.
In 2025 100 people were asked.."What have the Romans ever done for you"?
And the top answer was? Pizza.
Hey your a takin the pizza here! ? "
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Re: the other poster giving me the breakdown of votes: is that the poster who doesn't know the difference between four fifths (80%?) and one quarter (25%) ? You mean That poster? "
You said:
"Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote"
This means fewer than 25% can vote.
You then said, after being asked if "~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote" (i.e. approximately 80% cannot vote, which means "fewer than 25% can vote"):
"Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4"
This means you are asserting that 25% cannot (and so 75% can) vote.
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with And it's not my opinion it's a fact, all citizens of Israel have an equal votes in elections, the other poster even gave you a percentage breakdown of the electorate and you still refuse to accept you might be wrong,
Mrs x
Correct my math here.
As I remember what I read 20%? Of the population of Israel is Arab, so that would mean 5% of the population are Arab that are not allowed to vote"
Not true, all citizens can vote,
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with And it's not my opinion it's a fact, all citizens of Israel have an equal votes in elections, the other poster even gave you a percentage breakdown of the electorate and you still refuse to accept you might be wrong,
Mrs x
Correct my math here.
As I remember what I read 20%? Of the population of Israel is Arab, so that would mean 5% of the population are Arab that are not allowed to vote Not true, all citizens can vote,
Mrs x"
Evidence please (note I'm not resorting to posting daft replies like "yawn", "your getting boring", etc...) |
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Re: the other poster giving me the breakdown of votes: is that the poster who doesn't know the difference between four fifths (80%?) and one quarter (25%) ? You mean That poster?
You said:
"Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote"
This means fewer than 25% can vote.
You then said, after being asked if "~4/5 of Arabs within Israel (i.e. excluding Gaza & West Bank) cannot vote" (i.e. approximately 80% cannot vote, which means "fewer than 25% can vote"):
"Not 4 our of 5 , 1 out of 4"
This means you are asserting that 25% cannot (and so 75% can) vote.
So who doesn't know the difference between what?"
@Seacreste - who doesn't know the difference between what?
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"Tried to delete my previous post to rephrase it ..
So
Wasn't Israel created out of a sense of cherry picking morality by giving the Jews a "homeland" due to the atrocities of ww2 by giving them land where Arabs were living
Then apply lack of morality to Arabs who have the ordacity to not accept that logic of Zionism and be willingly evicted and subjugated?
Holding their hands up and accepting they're inferior and don't deserve to live there?
Israel was not 'cherry picking morality' because of the atrocities of WW2, where do you get your ideas from?
The Balfour Declaration was issued in 1917, calling for a homeland for the Jewish people. The First World War hadn't even ended yet, so unless there was some sort of time machine the atrocities that the Jews faced in Europe were still decades away.
Where do you get the idea anyone is subjugated in Israel, you always conveniently forget the 2 million Palestinians who live peacefully in Israel as its citizens, how are they subjugated or made to feel inferior?
Mrs x
Yes they are subjugated and made to feel inferior.
Under one in four Palestinians have the right to vote in elections in Israel even though they have historical roots there , while immigrant Jews have the right.
Would you like more examples?
That's just not true all citizens of Israel have the right to vote in their elections, you'd just say anything to put Israel down, Mrs x
Well that's just your opinion isn't it. It's the Zionism that I disagree with And it's not my opinion it's a fact, all citizens of Israel have an equal votes in elections, the other poster even gave you a percentage breakdown of the electorate and you still refuse to accept you might be wrong,
Mrs x
Correct my math here.
As I remember what I read 20%? Of the population of Israel is Arab, so that would mean 5% of the population are Arab that are not allowed to vote Not true, all citizens can vote,
Mrs x
Evidence please (note I'm not resorting to posting daft replies like "yawn", "your getting boring", etc...)"
Evidence? From a guy that supplies none at doesn't even bother looking at it when it is supplied to him.
I don't care whether you believe it or not, your just being obtuse,
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"Not true, all citizens can vote,
Mrs x
Evidence please (note I'm not resorting to posting daft replies like "yawn", "your getting boring", etc...)"
https://www.gov.il/apps/elections/elections-knesset-15/heb/lexicon/esystem.html
"...the active right of every Israeli citizen, who is at least 18 years old, to vote..." |
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Mrs x
Evidence please (note I'm not resorting to posting daft replies like "yawn", "your getting boring", etc...)
https://www.gov.il/apps/elections/elections-knesset-15/heb/lexicon/esystem.html
"...the active right of every Israeli citizen, who is at least 18 years old, to vote...""
Know i said i wouldn't give any evidence but will try one last time, since others are still trying.
"Israel has ratified the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination treaties.
Ethnic and religious minorities have full voting rights in Israel and are entitled to government benefits under various laws. Israel's Employment Law (1988) prohibits discrimination–in hiring, working conditions, promotion, professional training or studies, discharge or severance pay, and benefits and payments provided for employees in connection with their retirement from employment–due to race, religion, nationality, and land of origin, among other reasons."
Is that enough for you?
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@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
He won't like you telling the truth and talking sense, not one little bit, Mrs x"
I don't know, reading the thread it got a little confusing around the numbers and Israeli citizens. Hopefully it might help remove some confusion.
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
He won't like you telling the truth and talking sense, not one little bit, Mrs x
I don't know, reading the thread it got a little confusing around the numbers and Israeli citizens. Hopefully it might help remove some confusion.
I blame the Romans "
What have they ever done for us? Life of Brian, brilliant film, always makes me giggle just thinking about it haha,
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
He won't like you telling the truth and talking sense, not one little bit, Mrs x
I don't know, reading the thread it got a little confusing around the numbers and Israeli citizens. Hopefully it might help remove some confusion.
I blame the Romans What have they ever done for us? Life of Brian, brilliant film, always makes me giggle just thinking about it haha,
Mrs x"
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
He won't like you telling the truth and talking sense, not one little bit, Mrs x"
unlike some people who can't put any evidence forward at all and she scoffs from the sidelines like the Mrs from Ireland , I challenge her to read the following link then get back to me on how Israel is sooooo " democratic "
Can she do that? I doubt it!
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/israel-discriminatory-measures-undermine-palestinian-representation-in-knesset-2/
In the meantime I'll look at the other poster's fabulous statical figures , Typically the mathmtical expert who confused l 80% with 25% and confused Gazan Arabs with Israeli Arabs (further up in my posts) must be accurate 
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"@Seacreste: All "Israeli citizens" can vote, this includes "Arab citizens of Israel". They make up 20% of the population with their ethnicity and as they are citizens of Israel they have full voting rights.
"Approx 3 - 5 % of the population that live in Israel are not Israeli citizens" and therefore can't vote in National elections.
Permanent residents and others make up the 3 - 5%, permanent residents can vote in local elections.
He won't like you telling the truth and talking sense, not one little bit, Mrs x
unlike some people who can't put any evidence forward at all and she scoffs from the sidelines like the Mrs from Ireland , I challenge her to read the following link then get back to me on how Israel is sooooo " democratic "
Can she do that? I doubt it!
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2019/09/israel-discriminatory-measures-undermine-palestinian-representation-in-knesset-2/
In the meantime I'll look at the other poster's fabulous statical figures , Typically the mathmtical expert who confused l 80% with 25% and confused Gazan Arabs with Israeli Arabs (further up in my posts) must be accurate
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So instead of admitting that ALL citizens have equal voting rights in Israel, which, by the way, was brought up by yourself you then try and switch attention to another issue.
But I'll read it, something you never do,
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@_otme66 & Tennessee .
re; the voting figures and elections I've posted a link below.
Incidentally, 972 was founded by Israelis in Tel-Aviv.
I just thought I'd mention that for the usual poster who just runs on opinions and scoffs
https://www.972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/
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"Typically the mathmtical expert who confused l 80% with 25% and confused Gazan Arabs with Israeli Arabs (further up in my posts) must be accurate
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You really don't see it, do you? You won't actually engage where you make an error, you'd rather obliquely double down.
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"@_otme66 & Tennessee .
re; the voting figures and elections I've posted a link below.
Incidentally, 972 was founded by Israelis in Tel-Aviv.
I just thought I'd mention that for the usual poster who just runs on opinions and scoffs
https://www.972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/
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Yes. This seems accurate (but out of date). It is not materially different to what was said above. |
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By *otMe66Man 6 weeks ago
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"@_otme66 & Tennessee .
re; the voting figures and elections I've posted a link below.
Incidentally, 972 was founded by Israelis in Tel-Aviv.
I just thought I'd mention that for the usual poster who just runs on opinions and scoffs
https://www.972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/
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The link takes me to an article written 13 years ago. As you know, the region has been fluid for thousands of years and will likely remain fluid for another thousand.
From my simple perspective, taking sides adds fuel to the fire, removing the fanatics is the answer, in my humble opinion. |
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"@_otme66 & Tennessee .
re; the voting figures and elections I've posted a link below.
Incidentally, 972 was founded by Israelis in Tel-Aviv.
I just thought I'd mention that for the usual poster who just runs on opinions and scoffs
https://www.972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/
The link takes me to an article written 13 years ago. As you know, the region has been fluid for thousands of years and will likely remain fluid for another thousand.
From my simple perspective, taking sides adds fuel to the fire, removing the fanatics is the answer, in my humble opinion."
Well the short answer is what would you consider netenyahu to be.? A fanatic and extremist would be one of my first thoughts on him.
Yes it's an old link I posted but I think netenyahu was pm then and nothing has changed from there,
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
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"@_otme66 & Tennessee .
re; the voting figures and elections I've posted a link below.
Incidentally, 972 was founded by Israelis in Tel-Aviv.
I just thought I'd mention that for the usual poster who just runs on opinions and scoffs
https://www.972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/
The link takes me to an article written 13 years ago. As you know, the region has been fluid for thousands of years and will likely remain fluid for another thousand.
From my simple perspective, taking sides adds fuel to the fire, removing the fanatics is the answer, in my humble opinion.
Well the short answer is what would you consider netenyahu to be.? A fanatic and extremist would be one of my first thoughts on him.
Yes it's an old link I posted but I think netenyahu was pm then and nothing has changed from there,
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It really doesn't matter what I think or anyone else thinks, nobody in the region is listening.
The reality is the situation will never allow for a peaceful resolution, and a 2 state solution is not the answer either.
Thousands of years of displacement and troubles are evidence of this.
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"@_otme66 & Tennessee .
re; the voting figures and elections I've posted a link below.
Incidentally, 972 was founded by Israelis in Tel-Aviv.
I just thought I'd mention that for the usual poster who just runs on opinions and scoffs
https://www.972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/
The link takes me to an article written 13 years ago. As you know, the region has been fluid for thousands of years and will likely remain fluid for another thousand.
From my simple perspective, taking sides adds fuel to the fire, removing the fanatics is the answer, in my humble opinion.
Well the short answer is what would you consider netenyahu to be.? A fanatic and extremist would be one of my first thoughts on him.
Yes it's an old link I posted but I think netenyahu was pm then and nothing has changed from there,
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You do know he released over 700 convicted Hamas terrorists to secure the release of just one of Israels soldiers Hamas kidn@pped. Doesn't sound very fanatical or extreme, other than being extremely lenient with this terrible terrorist regime.
You do know this don't you?
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