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I was just pondering, since NATO forces boots on the ground would most likely upset Putin.
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Could Ukraine ask from help from other European countries who are not NATO members ? And thus could they put their boots on the ground ?
A quick google of "which European countries are not in NATO ?" reveals the following list. (I've left in ones that definitely won't help, eg Belarus. And we know where Russia stands)
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Cyprus
Georgia
Ireland
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Vatican City
Austria and Switzerland, could in theory deploy troops to Ukraine could they not ? (I know both are "Neutral" but I feel it may be time for certain European countries to decide in a changing world if that now serves them any more ?)
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A wider picture being, is America's intransigence going to send EU countries scrabbling towards more closer military ties, ultimately causing the RF even more trouble ? |
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I don’t think Ukraine has ever asked for troops (other than volunteers -2.5k€pm)
From the beginning they asked for aircraft which took nearly two years and only a few migs, they had a strong army but inadequate number of tanks and artillery. Their so called allies dilly dallyed for two years; can’t send this can’t send that whilst UA military strength reduced. A miracle they have survived so long.
Europe only has itself to blame. |
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By *eacresteMan 2 days ago
hart village - Hartlepool |
"They could form an alliance with European countries that border Russia. Finland, Poland and the Baltics, which is enough of a force to stop Russia crossing the border again. "
Would have to convince them of the vested interest in that though.
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By *otMe66Man 2 days ago
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"They could form an alliance with European countries that border Russia. Finland, Poland and the Baltics, which is enough of a force to stop Russia crossing the border again.
Would have to convince them of the vested interest in that though.
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After Ukraine, I don’t think it would take a lot of persuasion, and not being part of the alliance lays them wide open. |
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By *ronisMan 2 days ago
Edinburgh |
"I was just pondering, since NATO forces boots on the ground would most likely upset Putin.
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Could Ukraine ask from help from other European countries who are not NATO members ? And thus could they put their boots on the ground ?
A quick google of "which European countries are not in NATO ?" reveals the following list. (I've left in ones that definitely won't help, eg Belarus. And we know where Russia stands)
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Cyprus
Georgia
Ireland
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Vatican City
Austria and Switzerland, could in theory deploy troops to Ukraine could they not ? (I know both are "Neutral" but I feel it may be time for certain European countries to decide in a changing world if that now serves them any more ?)
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A wider picture being, is America's intransigence going to send EU countries scrabbling towards more closer military ties, ultimately causing the RF even more trouble ?"
Short answer NO.
No one is going to risk conflict with Russia.
Lichtenstein, Vatican City... be serious. That military powerhouse Ireland. Stop, please stop.
They have more to gain by staying out if it.
It's already decided.
Didn't you get the memo? |
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Short answer NO.
No one is going to risk conflict with Russia.
Lichtenstein, Vatican City... be serious. That military powerhouse Ireland. Stop, please stop.
They have more to gain by staying out if it.
It's already decided."
Decided by whom exactly ? I cannot recall seeing an announcement by Ukraine on what they have already decided.
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Didn't you get the memo?"
The "appeasement / surrender / capitulation memo" where a nation surrenders to an invading force ? No. I did not receive that memo, thankfully. |
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By *ronisMan 2 days ago
Edinburgh |
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Short answer NO.
No one is going to risk conflict with Russia.
Lichtenstein, Vatican City... be serious. That military powerhouse Ireland. Stop, please stop.
They have more to gain by staying out if it.
It's already decided.
Decided by whom exactly ? I cannot recall seeing an announcement by Ukraine on what they have already decided.
Didn't you get the memo?
The "appeasement / surrender / capitulation memo" where a nation surrenders to an invading force ? No. I did not receive that memo, thankfully. "
There's that word again straight out of a world that doesn't exist anymore, appeasement.
This isn't Chamberlain in 38/39.
You're such a tough nut but you won't be the one dying. Thousands have and stopping it is essential.
This ends one of two ways.
1.compromise ,which means you don't get all you want but you're not destroyed or
2.annihilation .
There's no perfect end to this just one that limits death and destruction.
All the armchair warriors are so tough but they ain't suffering. |
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By *ronisMan 2 days ago
Edinburgh |
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Short answer NO.
No one is going to risk conflict with Russia.
Lichtenstein, Vatican City... be serious. That military powerhouse Ireland. Stop, please stop.
They have more to gain by staying out if it.
It's already decided.
Decided by whom exactly ? I cannot recall seeing an announcement by Ukraine on what they have already decided.
Didn't you get the memo?
The "appeasement / surrender / capitulation memo" where a nation surrenders to an invading force ? No. I did not receive that memo, thankfully. "
It's decided. Why would you know about it? Who are you? Nobody.
There are powers at play here you cannot comprehend. |
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By *eacresteMan 2 days ago
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"They could form an alliance with European countries that border Russia. Finland, Poland and the Baltics, which is enough of a force to stop Russia crossing the border again.
Would have to convince them of the vested interest in that though.
After Ukraine, I don’t think it would take a lot of persuasion, and not being part of the alliance lays them wide open."
Never the less, Putin would try to split them. They'd all have to stick together no matter what and the likes of the UK Germany etc will have to show full support through equipment etc.
I remember with the gulf war when the UK had a critical shortage of ordinance and had to buy it from Germany and possibly other countries.
Even happend with Ukraine where we just didn't have the amount of kit to supply Ukraine eith. Without leaving ourselves short
Supply is a problem both financial and ready supply.
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It's decided. Why would you know about it? Who are you? Nobody.
There are powers at play here you cannot comprehend.
Do you need a hug ?
Wtf are you waffling about?
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It's what Zelensky should have said to The Donald and to Vance. He was being belittled and subjected to a supercilious and uncalled for attack.
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It seemed appropriate to offer you the same kindness. |
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By *ronisMan 2 days ago
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It's decided. Why would you know about it? Who are you? Nobody.
There are powers at play here you cannot comprehend.
Do you need a hug ?
Wtf are you waffling about?
It's what Zelensky should have said to The Donald and to Vance. He was being belittled and subjected to a supercilious and uncalled for attack.
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It seemed appropriate to offer you the same kindness."
An ungrateful petulant brat lecturing the people financing him is what I saw.
The USA has nothing to gain from this so it's likely they'll just up sticks and leave him to it.
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By *ermbiMan 1 day ago
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"I was just pondering, since NATO forces boots on the ground would most likely upset Putin.
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Could Ukraine ask from help from other European countries who are not NATO members ? And thus could they put their boots on the ground ?
A quick google of "which European countries are not in NATO ?" reveals the following list. (I've left in ones that definitely won't help, eg Belarus. And we know where Russia stands)
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Cyprus
Georgia
Ireland
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Vatican City
Austria and Switzerland, could in theory deploy troops to Ukraine could they not ? (I know both are "Neutral" but I feel it may be time for certain European countries to decide in a changing world if that now serves them any more ?)
.
A wider picture being, is America's intransigence going to send EU countries scrabbling towards more closer military ties, ultimately causing the RF even more trouble ?
Short answer NO.
No one is going to risk conflict with Russia.
Lichtenstein, Vatican City... be serious. That military powerhouse Ireland. Stop, please stop.
They have more to gain by staying out if it.
It's already decided.
Didn't you get the memo?"
Well to answer your sneering response Ireland has already indicated it would send a peace keeping mission. We are a small Ireland and neutral but play our part in UN peacekeeping. |
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"I was just pondering, since NATO forces boots on the ground would most likely upset Putin.
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Could Ukraine ask from help from other European countries who are not NATO members ? And thus could they put their boots on the ground ?
A quick google of "which European countries are not in NATO ?" reveals the following list. (I've left in ones that definitely won't help, eg Belarus. And we know where Russia stands)
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Cyprus
Georgia
Ireland
Kosovo
Liechtenstein
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Switzerland
Ukraine
Vatican City
Austria and Switzerland, could in theory deploy troops to Ukraine could they not ? (I know both are "Neutral" but I feel it may be time for certain European countries to decide in a changing world if that now serves them any more ?)
.
A wider picture being, is America's intransigence going to send EU countries scrabbling towards more closer military ties, ultimately causing the RF even more trouble ?
Short answer NO.
No one is going to risk conflict with Russia.
Lichtenstein, Vatican City... be serious. That military powerhouse Ireland. Stop, please stop.
They have more to gain by staying out if it.
It's already decided.
Didn't you get the memo?
Well to answer your sneering response Ireland has already indicated it would send a peace keeping mission. We are a small Ireland and neutral but play our part in UN peacekeeping. "
I think any peace plan will require neutral UN countries to police the border.
I can’t see Russia being happy at all about UK troops sitting on its border. The UK isn’t exactly a neutral observer in this war.
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"If prefer to see a realistic and fair peace plan in place.
What would that involve?
Difficult to have a peace plan that doesn’t reward the aggressor."
If it stops the killing I really don't care, escalation can't be the only option? |
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"If prefer to see a realistic and fair peace plan in place.
What would that involve?
Difficult to have a peace plan that doesn’t reward the aggressor.
If it stops the killing I really don't care, escalation can't be the only option?"
Unfortunately in Putins case is likely the only option
Every man knows there’s only one way to deal with bullies. |
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By *eacresteMan 1 day ago
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A brief history:
The west topple the government of Ukraine for a west leaning government
USA and NATO brag about the intention to add Ukraine to NATO and Joe biden bragging about it too.
Russia kind of pushed into acting first and invade Crimea, then try to invade Ukraine
Now that's happened the USA and Europe over did the bragging and it's all blown up in their faces.
They now bottle it .
NATO and the USA are all mouth and no trousers.
The only way to prevent the Ukraine being totally over run is for Europe to own their mistakes grow some balls and help Ukraine out militarily
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By *eacresteMan 1 day ago
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Btw USA and Europe and NATO are to blame with their bragging about Ukraine joining NATO without realising how far Russia would react.
Now what's done is done but the USA NATO and Europe should acknowledge their mistake an own the problem. |
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It’s odd how we never hear much about Afghanistan nowadays.
Another country we were with until the bitter end. Until the day we weren’t.
The UK has its own history of compromise in Northern Ireland. Is it great in principle that IRA terrorists have lived out their days in freedom rather than in prison where they belonged for their crimes?
No. But it was a price worth paying to bring peace to Northern Ireland.
It’s odd that we seem to be pursuing such a purist stance in Ukraine, where we don’t particularly have any interests.
What is the goal here? What’s the end game? What does Starmer want to achieve? How do we judge whether he has succeeded or not?
There has never seemed to be any plan with Ukraine. It all just “lets prolong the war because someone else is doing the dying”. |
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By *otMe66Man 1 day ago
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"Btw USA and Europe and NATO are to blame with their bragging about Ukraine joining NATO without realising how far Russia would react.
Now what's done is done but the USA NATO and Europe should acknowledge their mistake an own the problem."
Not a chance! Europe are petrified of Putin, easier to throw Ukraine under the bus in the hope it weakens the Russian's enough to buy them some time to have a couple of meetings about things... |
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"A brief history:
The west topple the government of Ukraine for a west leaning government
USA and NATO brag about the intention to add Ukraine to NATO and Joe biden bragging about it too.
Russia kind of pushed into acting first and invade Crimea, then try to invade Ukraine
Now that's happened the USA and Europe over did the bragging and it's all blown up in their faces.
They now bottle it .
NATO and the USA are all mouth and no trousers.
The only way to prevent the Ukraine being totally over run is for Europe to own their mistakes grow some balls and help Ukraine out militarily
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The Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0 |
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The comment above about Chamberlain & appeasement is spot on.
Do we think Hitler sat in that bunker in Berlin, losing the war, wouldn’t have gone nuclear if he had the option? If he & the Nazi top brass were prepared to kill themselves as they did, I reckon he would have.
Nukes are the clear difference between Hitler & Putin, just for everybody who still doesn’t understand that. |
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"The comment above about Chamberlain & appeasement is spot on.
Do we think Hitler sat in that bunker in Berlin, losing the war, wouldn’t have gone nuclear if he had the option? If he & the Nazi top brass were prepared to kill themselves as they did, I reckon he would have.
Nukes are the clear difference between Hitler & Putin, just for everybody who still doesn’t understand that."
Do Ukraine want to push into Moscow ? |
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Do Ukraine want to push into Moscow ?"
1. They have actually attacked Moscow
2. If nukes were not a part of the equation, do you think The West would have invaded Russia with a view of enabling regime change? |
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Do Ukraine want to push into Moscow ?
1. They have actually attacked Moscow
2. If nukes were not a part of the equation, do you think The West would have invaded Russia with a view of enabling regime change?"
THAT is what it’s all about Alfie!
Trump had a private meeting with Putin, I can only guess how many times nuclear war was mentioned. I have always wanted Ukraine to kick Russia’s arse, but am not in favour of the continuing of this war. It doesn’t matter how many new weapons we send to the Ukraine, they will run out of personnel, because they are dying out there. If we carry on the way we are going, then the ugly head of a nuclear threat will emerge.
Fuck that! |
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Trump had a private meeting with Putin, I can only guess how many times nuclear war was mentioned. I have always wanted Ukraine to kick Russia’s arse, but am not in favour of the continuing of this war. It doesn’t matter how many new weapons we send to the Ukraine, they will run out of personnel, because they are dying out there. If we carry on the way we are going, then the ugly head of a nuclear threat will emerge.
Fuck that!"
You are correct. Ukraine with a population 3.5 times smaller than Russia’s will run out of personnel. That has been obvious for a while.
Whilst not condoning the Russian invasion AT ALL, I don’t think NATO expansion has helped this situation.
It has fuelled Russian paranoia, which is why we are where we are.
An opportunity lost after the end of the Cold War I reckon. |
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We've got to stop the fighting first, before getting the longer-term peace plan in place. Trump's 24 hours was obviously bullshit, when Friday's explosion against Zelensky dramatically showed he's not very on the ball, nor in synch with Europe and Ukraine.
We need to normalise respect for international law and to strengthen the international facilities and assets that enforce it overall. We can't continue with individual states just deciding to pursue whatever their desires are, without repercussions, nor investments from all. |
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By *eacresteMan 23 hours ago
hart village - Hartlepool |
"A brief history:
The west topple the government of Ukraine for a west leaning government
USA and NATO brag about the intention to add Ukraine to NATO and Joe biden bragging about it too.
Russia kind of pushed into acting first and invade Crimea, then try to invade Ukraine
Now that's happened the USA and Europe over did the bragging and it's all blown up in their faces.
They now bottle it .
NATO and the USA are all mouth and no trousers.
The only way to prevent the Ukraine b0eing totally over run is for Europe to own their mistakes grow some balls and help Ukraine out militarily
The Ukrainian parliament voted to remove Yanukovych from office by 328 to 0"
International observers declared the voting of Yanukovych as a fair and legal democratic election.
Before the West germandery |
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Boots on the ground and planes in the air
'Europe must do the heavy lifting' he says
Starmer says those willing will intensify planning now, with real urgency, before reaffirming the UK's commitment to backing this with "boots on the ground, and planes in the air".
"Europe must do the heavy lifting," he says.
But the agreement needs US backing, he continues, "let me clear, we agree with Trump on the urgent need for a durable peace. Now we need to deliver together". |
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By *eacresteMan 23 hours ago
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Trump had a private meeting with Putin, I can only guess how many times nuclear war was mentioned. I have always wanted Ukraine to kick Russia’s arse, but am not in favour of the continuing of this war. It doesn’t matter how many new weapons we send to the Ukraine, they will run out of personnel, because they are dying out there. If we carry on the way we are going, then the ugly head of a nuclear threat will emerge.
Fuck that!
You are correct. Ukraine with a population 3.5 times smaller than Russia’s will run out of personnel. That has been obvious for a while.
Whilst not condoning the Russian invasion AT ALL, I don’t think NATO expansion has helped this situation.
It has fuelled Russian paranoia, which is why we are where we are.
An opportunity lost after the end of the Cold War I reckon."
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For all of you wanting to rattle your sabres from the comfort of your armchairs, if you’d been watching any news from any BRICS countries you’d know they have Russia’s back. You are arguing escalating war with Russia, China and India all at once. Get real. They are the new global economic superpower, get used to it. Do you honestly believe all conflicts are won by the cowboys with white hats? |
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"For all of you wanting to rattle your sabres from the comfort of your armchairs, if you’d been watching any news from any BRICS countries you’d know they have Russia’s back. You are arguing escalating war with Russia, China and India all at once. Get real. They are the new global economic superpower, get used to it. Do you honestly believe all conflicts are won by the cowboys with white hats?"
It does read that the politicians have already spoken for us already
Von der Leyen. ‘Prepare for the worst ‘
Starmer ‘boots on ground and planes in the air ‘
Jingoistic talk from Europe |
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By *eacresteMan 21 hours ago
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"For all of you wanting to rattle your sabres from the comfort of your armchairs, if you’d been watching any news from any BRICS countries you’d know they have Russia’s back. You are arguing escalating war with Russia, China and India all at once. Get real. They are the new global economic superpower, get used to it. Do you honestly believe all conflicts are won by the cowboys with white hats?"
Ukraine is a lost cause then?
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The US have been the driving force behind this conflict for over 15 years. It started when the CIA stepped in after the President Yanukovych declined loans from the European Central Bank which had restrictive conditions regarding Ukrainian assets. The US government was caught with its pants down when a recording was released of them deciding who they were replacing the President with. Now the US have the mineral rights and control of the agricultural land that they wanted they are walking away rubbing their hands.
The Ukraine is the victim here. Boots on the ground is only good news for influential weapons manufacturers and the politicians they lobby. |
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By *eacresteMan 18 hours ago
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"The US have been the driving force behind this conflict for over 15 years. It started when the CIA stepped in after the President Yanukovych declined loans from the European Central Bank which had restrictive conditions regarding Ukrainian assets. The US government was caught with its pants down when a recording was released of them deciding who they were replacing the President with. Now the US have the mineral rights and control of the agricultural land that they wanted they are walking away rubbing their hands.
The Ukraine is the victim here. Boots on the ground is only good news for influential weapons manufacturers and the politicians they lobby."
Yep. Some ally eh?
Possibly if European army played Putin's game.
Amass on the ukrain border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine |
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Amass on the Ukraine border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine "
A coalition force to engage and expel would be my preferred solution as well.
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And I think a Grand Invite to the world, writ large.
"Any non-native Ukranian who comes to join the Grand Coalition will receive military training and be attached to the military forces of the Grand Coalition as Auxiliaries. These Auxiliaries, upon successful ejection of RF forces from Ukraine, will be offered a parcel of land and citizenship. They will pay a reduced tax rate for the rest of their natural lives to honour their service. They will remain Auxiliaries, but are free to continue the rest of the lives in Ukraine, where much rebuilding and work will be necessary. This offer is available to any citizen of the world, including those from the RF and NK." |
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By *otMe66Man 17 hours ago
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Amass on the Ukraine border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine
A coalition force to engage and expel would be my preferred solution as well.
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And I think a Grand Invite to the world, writ large.
"Any non-native Ukranian who comes to join the Grand Coalition will receive military training and be attached to the military forces of the Grand Coalition as Auxiliaries. These Auxiliaries, upon successful ejection of RF forces from Ukraine, will be offered a parcel of land and citizenship. They will pay a reduced tax rate for the rest of their natural lives to honour their service. They will remain Auxiliaries, but are free to continue the rest of the lives in Ukraine, where much rebuilding and work will be necessary. This offer is available to any citizen of the world, including those from the RF and NK.""
Are you fighting in Ukraine? |
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Amass on the Ukraine border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine
A coalition force to engage and expel would be my preferred solution as well.
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And I think a Grand Invite to the world, writ large.
"Any non-native Ukranian who comes to join the Grand Coalition will receive military training and be attached to the military forces of the Grand Coalition as Auxiliaries. These Auxiliaries, upon successful ejection of RF forces from Ukraine, will be offered a parcel of land and citizenship. They will pay a reduced tax rate for the rest of their natural lives to honour their service. They will remain Auxiliaries, but are free to continue the rest of the lives in Ukraine, where much rebuilding and work will be necessary. This offer is available to any citizen of the world, including those from the RF and NK."
Are you fighting in Ukraine?"
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They’ll be no Euro boots on the ground taking the fight to Russia, because if Russia ends up seriously on the back foot with nothing to show for it, tactical nukes could come into play.
…& what would Europe do in response to that? Ostracise Russia? They have already done that haven’t they? |
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"They’ll be no Euro boots on the ground taking the fight to Russia, because if Russia ends up seriously on the back foot with nothing to show for it, tactical nukes could come into play.
…& what would Europe do in response to that? Ostracise Russia? They have already done that haven’t they?"
No fight needs to be taken to Russia.
Just expelling them from Ukraine. That is all. |
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By *otMe66Man 16 hours ago
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Amass on the Ukraine border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine
A coalition force to engage and expel would be my preferred solution as well.
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And I think a Grand Invite to the world, writ large.
"Any non-native Ukranian who comes to join the Grand Coalition will receive military training and be attached to the military forces of the Grand Coalition as Auxiliaries. These Auxiliaries, upon successful ejection of RF forces from Ukraine, will be offered a parcel of land and citizenship. They will pay a reduced tax rate for the rest of their natural lives to honour their service. They will remain Auxiliaries, but are free to continue the rest of the lives in Ukraine, where much rebuilding and work will be necessary. This offer is available to any citizen of the world, including those from the RF and NK."
Are you fighting in Ukraine?
Why turn it on me ? I could ask you the same question but that would be terribly rude."
Have I misunderstood your post? It reads as supporting a call for all people to join the Ukrainian military fight. Is that what you’re wanting?
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"For all of you wanting to rattle your sabres from the comfort of your armchairs, if you’d been watching any news from any BRICS countries you’d know they have Russia’s back. You are arguing escalating war with Russia, China and India all at once. Get real. They are the new global economic superpower, get used to it. Do you honestly believe all conflicts are won by the cowboys with white hats?
Ukraine is a lost cause then?
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it's been a lost cause since 2022 |
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Amass on the Ukraine border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine
A coalition force to engage and expel would be my preferred solution as well.
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And I think a Grand Invite to the world, writ large.
"Any non-native Ukranian who comes to join the Grand Coalition will receive military training and be attached to the military forces of the Grand Coalition as Auxiliaries. These Auxiliaries, upon successful ejection of RF forces from Ukraine, will be offered a parcel of land and citizenship. They will pay a reduced tax rate for the rest of their natural lives to honour their service. They will remain Auxiliaries, but are free to continue the rest of the lives in Ukraine, where much rebuilding and work will be necessary. This offer is available to any citizen of the world, including those from the RF and NK."
Are you fighting in Ukraine?
Why turn it on me ? I could ask you the same question but that would be terribly rude.
Have I misunderstood your post? It reads as supporting a call for all people to join the Ukrainian military fight. Is that what you’re wanting?
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By *otMe66Man 15 hours ago
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Amass on the Ukraine border, not as NATO but as allies willing to take on Russia.
Yes they are NATO but the collective defense is nullified if a NATO country attacks Russia.
Threaten Putin's forces and when ready, attack the Russian forces but only to push them out if Ukraine. Not go into Russia.
Obviously the USA (who initiated this fucking mess) wouldn't be involved but if the Europeans stood firm and took the fight to Russia then in a conventional war could be easily kicked out of the Ukraine
A coalition force to engage and expel would be my preferred solution as well.
.
And I think a Grand Invite to the world, writ large.
"Any non-native Ukranian who comes to join the Grand Coalition will receive military training and be attached to the military forces of the Grand Coalition as Auxiliaries. These Auxiliaries, upon successful ejection of RF forces from Ukraine, will be offered a parcel of land and citizenship. They will pay a reduced tax rate for the rest of their natural lives to honour their service. They will remain Auxiliaries, but are free to continue the rest of the lives in Ukraine, where much rebuilding and work will be necessary. This offer is available to any citizen of the world, including those from the RF and NK."
Are you fighting in Ukraine?
Why turn it on me ? I could ask you the same question but that would be terribly rude.
Have I misunderstood your post? It reads as supporting a call for all people to join the Ukrainian military fight. Is that what you’re wanting?
What do you think it reads as ? How did you comprehend it ? In what way ? In what context ? "
I have already explained how it reads....  |
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"For all of you wanting to rattle your sabres from the comfort of your armchairs, if you’d been watching any news from any BRICS countries you’d know they have Russia’s back. You are arguing escalating war with Russia, China and India all at once. Get real. They are the new global economic superpower, get used to it. Do you honestly believe all conflicts are won by the cowboys with white hats?
Ukraine is a lost cause then?
it's been a lost cause since 2022"
Yes, and the loosers are Russia, even if they got the hole country no one would respect them and pootin. He's a liar and can't be trusted, a kgb thug, who is mad as they come, thinks he's Peter the Great an Yeltsin totally off his trolley, |
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Very peculiar selection of countries at yesterday’s Ukraine security summit.
Half of Europe not there. Maybe couldn’t be bothered or weren’t invited.
Baltic states not invited.
Even the countries adjacent to Ukraine are unwilling to participate in any military force.
Why is the UK leading the charge to war again? What’s the UK obsession with Ukraine if the rest of Europe can’t be arsed?
Why is another foreign issue the UK’s problem to solve when nobody else is interested? |
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"The US have been the driving force behind this conflict for over 15 years. It started when the CIA stepped in after the President Yanukovych declined loans from the European Central Bank which had restrictive conditions regarding Ukrainian assets. The US government was caught with its pants down when a recording was released of them deciding who they were replacing the President with. Now the US have the mineral rights and control of the agricultural land that they wanted they are walking away rubbing their hands.
The Ukraine is the victim here. Boots on the ground is only good news for influential weapons manufacturers and the politicians they lobby."
Your revision of history cheapens the lives lost during the Maidan somewhat  |
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"For all of you wanting to rattle your sabres from the comfort of your armchairs, if you’d been watching any news from any BRICS countries you’d know they have Russia’s back. You are arguing escalating war with Russia, China and India all at once. Get real. They are the new global economic superpower, get used to it. Do you honestly believe all conflicts are won by the cowboys with white hats?
Ukraine is a lost cause then?
it's been a lost cause since 2022
Yes, and the loosers are Russia, even if they got the hole country no one would respect them and pootin. He's a liar and can't be trusted, a kgb thug, who is mad as they come, thinks he's Peter the Great an Yeltsin totally off his trolley, "
lol that's funny that you think it would bother putin or Russia if no one respected them,and let's be honest it's only those on the west who would hold that view,there are plenty more countries around the world who are more than happy to do business with them |
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