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In news that will probably surprise no one apart from the Labour government, the energy price cap is heading up again, raising annual energy bills by £111 for the average household.
I’m sure Miliband said that Labour was going to reduce energy bills by £300. Not sure what has happened there.
At least we can take comfort in knowing that Miliband is providing “global leadership” in the fight against climate change.
How much higher should we expect energy bills to be by the end of this Parliament? |
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By *otMe66Man 6 days ago
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I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I seem to recall Starmer promising a windfall tax on energy companies to help offset council tax increases, that hasn’t happened. However, Ofgem has given energy companies a get out of jail card, allowing them to pass their debt onto paying customers, ensuring they don’t take the hit for non payments.
We’re really excelling in energy policy in the UK, aren’t we… |
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It seems wrong that electricity prices are linked to gas prices, which means they rise even when electric generation costs may fall. If they uncoupled this, allowing people to get the benefit of some cost savings, it would be the right thing to do |
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Well the main excuse for this rise will soon be a non story so energy prices should fall........Hahahahahaha did I really write that load of tosh the news have already said more rises in June or July who will they blame then.
Because the narrative has changed for European leaders so called, so I look forward to the new excuse to rise energy prices again this year. |
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"In news that will probably surprise no one apart from the Labour government, the energy price cap is heading up again, raising annual energy bills by £111 for the average household.
I’m sure Miliband said that Labour was going to reduce energy bills by £300. Not sure what has happened there.
At least we can take comfort in knowing that Miliband is providing “global leadership” in the fight against climate change.
How much higher should we expect energy bills to be by the end of this Parliament?"
How do they get to this figure and what dose it realy mean.
So is it realy £5 a month on house holds and a bit at the pump for fule for the car.
Guess the net news cry will be energy poverty. lol |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills."
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved. |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved."
No point in repayment meters as they charge more than DD, the poor take the hit again, then from your taxes you will pay for emergency heating by the use of emergency energy cards, damp issues fixed by your tax, emergency accommodation as house is to cold.
So your suggestion only makes you pay more
Remember it is the government who is responsible for energy security when found wanting they blame everyone else except themselves. |
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By *deepdiveMan 6 days ago
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved.
No point in repayment meters as they charge more than DD, the poor take the hit again, then from your taxes you will pay for emergency heating by the use of emergency energy cards, damp issues fixed by your tax, emergency accommodation as house is to cold.
So your suggestion only makes you pay more
Remember it is the government who is responsible for energy security when found wanting they blame everyone else except themselves."
It is the government that is responsible for overall energy costs and the Labour government has inherited a system from the previous government which is tied to the price of gas as has been mentioned before.
Had previous governments (for it to be other than the conservative government,that means more than 14 years ago) invested sensibly in renewables, grid upgrades, nuclear etc. we wouldn't be in this position.
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved.
No point in repayment meters as they charge more than DD, the poor take the hit again, then from your taxes you will pay for emergency heating by the use of emergency energy cards, damp issues fixed by your tax, emergency accommodation as house is to cold.
So your suggestion only makes you pay more
Remember it is the government who is responsible for energy security when found wanting they blame everyone else except themselves.
It is the government that is responsible for overall energy costs and the Labour government has inherited a system from the previous government which is tied to the price of gas as has been mentioned before.
Had previous governments (for it to be other than the conservative government,that means more than 14 years ago) invested sensibly in renewables, grid upgrades, nuclear etc. we wouldn't be in this position.
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I wasn't blaming labour as they just got in and I am aware it was on the tories watch.
Millband looked pretty peed off on the news today ha. |
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"A nation of poorly insulated old dwellings (51% band C Epc and lower) and very low rate (5%) of homes with solar.
Reap what you sow "
Solar is to expensive for most, or not suitable for there property. We looked at it but would take 15years to brake even on the investment so not very appealing.
As for pooly insulated property it is time to look at pulling sum property down and rebuilding but how this works I don't know. I know slum clearance did happen in sum areas but much more is needed. |
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Expect another 50% minimum. 'Net Zero' is costing us billions and making millions for people such as Milliband. It's a con on a massive scale and we are fools for thinking it will change the climate. |
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By *otMe66Man 6 days ago
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There are a number of things bothering me about the state of UK energy.
The government has banned new licences for North Sea drilling gas and oil, after announcing it was forming "GB Energy", which has gone very quiet!!!
Why couldn't they grant licences for drilling and sales of gas only to the domestic market, it is the same model as the renewable but using fossil fuels. We are cutting our noses off here, and there is no way of saying it any differently.
The government are preventing the use of existing reserves which in turn is making us vulnerable to the markets we import from.
Madness. |
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By *deepdiveMan 6 days ago
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"A nation of poorly insulated old dwellings (51% band C Epc and lower) and very low rate (5%) of homes with solar.
Reap what you sow
Solar is to expensive for most, or not suitable for there property. We looked at it but would take 15years to brake even on the investment so not very appealing.
As for pooly insulated property it is time to look at pulling sum property down and rebuilding but how this works I don't know. I know slum clearance did happen in sum areas but much more is needed. "
I agree entirely.
Solar is a long term investment but the government should aid more with installations however; if energy is wasted by heating outdoors due to poor insulation then it is time to think again and rebuild. |
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"There are a number of things bothering me about the state of UK energy.
The government has banned new licences for North Sea drilling gas and oil, after announcing it was forming "GB Energy", which has gone very quiet!!!
Why couldn't they grant licences for drilling and sales of gas only to the domestic market, it is the same model as the renewable but using fossil fuels. We are cutting our noses off here, and there is no way of saying it any differently.
The government are preventing the use of existing reserves which in turn is making us vulnerable to the markets we import from.
Madness. "
Complete Madness
Even if they where to limit extraction to say 50% of consumption in the UK so none was sold over sea when demand was low. It would still be a win for jobs, win for reduced prices, win on tax, and if people have spare cash to invest or spend its a win again.
But the green lobby really don't want it. |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I seem to recall Starmer promising a windfall tax on energy companies to help offset council tax increases, that hasn’t happened. However, Ofgem has given energy companies a get out of jail card, allowing them to pass their debt onto paying customers, ensuring they don’t take the hit for non payments.
We’re really excelling in energy policy in the UK, aren’t we…"
Wtf, ofgem are therefore dicks. Why haven't the companies got insurance to cover unpaid bills?
This is as bad as water companies charging customers extra to update their systems so that they ensure profits for shareholders.
Fucking capitalistic shit... protect the owners at any cost. |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved.
No point in repayment meters as they charge more than DD, the poor take the hit again, then from your taxes you will pay for emergency heating by the use of emergency energy cards, damp issues fixed by your tax, emergency accommodation as house is to cold.
So your suggestion only makes you pay more
Remember it is the government who is responsible for energy security when found wanting they blame everyone else except themselves."
No paying more.
Again, why should we pay for someone else’s bills?
No money = no power. No emergency cards, damp fixes or any other soft policies. |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I seem to recall Starmer promising a windfall tax on energy companies to help offset council tax increases, that hasn’t happened. However, Ofgem has given energy companies a get out of jail card, allowing them to pass their debt onto paying customers, ensuring they don’t take the hit for non payments.
We’re really excelling in energy policy in the UK, aren’t we…
Wtf, ofgem are therefore dicks. Why haven't the companies got insurance to cover unpaid bills?
This is as bad as water companies charging customers extra to update their systems so that they ensure profits for shareholders.
Fucking capitalistic shit... protect the owners at any cost."
Would guess the cost of insurance on every account would cost more then everyone picking up the unpaid bills.
But Ofgem and company's have made it harder to install pre payment meters and I do believe they are not allowed to disconnect vanarable customs. So its almost another benefit really. |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved.
No point in repayment meters as they charge more than DD, the poor take the hit again, then from your taxes you will pay for emergency heating by the use of emergency energy cards, damp issues fixed by your tax, emergency accommodation as house is to cold.
So your suggestion only makes you pay more
Remember it is the government who is responsible for energy security when found wanting they blame everyone else except themselves.
No paying more.
Again, why should we pay for someone else’s bills?
No money = no power. No emergency cards, damp fixes or any other soft policies."
Don't know if I could discount someone on a home dialysis machine knowing they might not make it.
But I get its taking the piss when people abuse a system. |
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"I would like to know exactly how much of the bill increases are due to the debt allowance scheme, with nearly £3 billion in unpaid bills, that must be a significant uplift in our bills.
I think it’s less than £50.
However, why should we pay for someone else’s bills at all? Surely they should be put onto prepayment meters as soon as debt starts to be significant. Then when they can’t pay there isn’t any energy. Problem solved.
No point in repayment meters as they charge more than DD, the poor take the hit again, then from your taxes you will pay for emergency heating by the use of emergency energy cards, damp issues fixed by your tax, emergency accommodation as house is to cold.
So your suggestion only makes you pay more
Remember it is the government who is responsible for energy security when found wanting they blame everyone else except themselves.
No paying more.
Again, why should we pay for someone else’s bills?
No money = no power. No emergency cards, damp fixes or any other soft policies."
Believe me that is exactly how it goes, there are agencies funded by the government to support those who are in energy poverty which now includes so many pensioners this funding is tax payers money, so by doing as you advise would only see you and I and everyone else except the 1% paying more tax.
This is another fail in the budget, as it is kinda of a stealth tax, for those who realise it. |
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The energy companies at least used to pretend to be playing the game when they raised their prices in the winter but lowered them in the summer. Now they appear to have given up that pretence as they are putting up their prices in the summer as well. |
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"The energy companies at least used to pretend to be playing the game when they raised their prices in the winter but lowered them in the summer. Now they appear to have given up that pretence as they are putting up their prices in the summer as well."
Previously ofgem set prices every six months so went up and down once each year now it’s three monthly three rises one fall . 😡 |
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"Why haven't the companies got insurance to cover unpaid bills?"
Previous governments have passed laws which make it illegal to cut off vulnerable people, and illegal to force them on to pre-payment meters. No insurance company will cover you for a risk that is absolutely certain to happen. |
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"Why haven't the companies got insurance to cover unpaid bills?
Previous governments have passed laws which make it illegal to cut off vulnerable people, and illegal to force them on to pre-payment meters. No insurance company will cover you for a risk that is absolutely certain to happen."
So if your classed as vulnerable don't pay all your bill and the rest will pick up the slack. |
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