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By *hagTonight OP Man 7 days ago
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I have sen some signs and behaviors that he might be one or developing into one, others have also said the same thing that they have seen some signs, one clear one was how he have signed an executive order claiming that only the president and attorney general an speak for "what the law is".
Signs of a dictator tend to resort to force or fraud to gain political power, do you know of any other signs?
What is your view about it,, is he one or becoming a dictator? |
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Power in the US is split between the President, Congress, and the judiciary.
So Trump has no more ability to be a Dictator than any other US President.
European Leftists may be getting confused because they are used to soporific European politicians who don’t do anything, and President Trump is actually doing his job, as opposed to his predecessor who couldn’t string a sentence together and spent half his time as President on the beach at his holiday home.
They may there be confusing “dynamism” with “being a Dictator”.
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He wants to be, but not yet.
Vis a vis the bot's comments above about a "strong leader". He is, like those that have gone before him, testing the resolve of the rest of the USA to his authoritarian powers. His problem is he has none of the skills required to pull it off like those that have come before him.
There are however already signs that the spineless acquiescence of elected Republican members is being tested by their own electors so there is a hope that the majority of the electorate, if not the House and Senate, may act eventually. God knows what SCOTUS will do.
On the positive side the newly elected Chancellor Mertz of Germany has identified the need for Europe to rapidly rearm to combat the threat "from both sides". Heralding an end to the USA and Germany relationship that has stood since 1945. Sadly I think he is right. We have grown soft. Now is the time to stand up and recognise the real and present danger facing us from both sides. |
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"Power in the US is split between the President, Congress, and the judiciary.
So Trump has no more ability to be a Dictator than any other US President.
European Leftists may be getting confused because they are used to soporific European politicians who don’t do anything, and President Trump is actually doing his job, as opposed to his predecessor who couldn’t string a sentence together and spent half his time as President on the beach at his holiday home.
They may there be confusing “dynamism” with “being a Dictator”.
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There is evidence developing that he and his cronies are ignoring the courts, and that they know the courts have no real power to retaliate. |
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"Not yet Shag, not yet. "
Indeed. You have to get all your ducks in a row first. Even Adolf knew he had to do that.
If Trump manages to neuter the US Courts - the citizens' last line of defence until the next election - then he'll be a dictator. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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Trump wants change and that will rattle cages, it doesn't make him a dictator.
Trump even as POTUS, has boundaries that if crossed will be met with challenges and even removal from office if serious enough. I would be interested to hear what people consider he has done to give him the label of a dictator.
As I see it, the closest a president gets to becoming a dictator is when they leave office and use their powers of pardon, all the criminals that judges and juries found guilty no longer guilty... Every POTUS has done this. |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening."
This..
He's like the angry child who's been allowed to pick the team, set the rules etc because last season he wasn't picked..
The appointments are more disruptive and will have his beady angry eyes upon themselves when the reality of what he wants meets the constitution which the supreme court will work to and abide by regardless of having a majority 'republican' leaning.. |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening.
Fair enough. How far do you think he's going to push it? He's a lot less restrained this time."
Yes, I agree, and more focussed. But the US Courts and Constitution have shown themselves to be both robust and flexible enough to withstand him. The biggest danger would be if he found a way to stand for a 3rd term. |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening.
This..
He's like the angry child who's been allowed to pick the team, set the rules etc because last season he wasn't picked..
The appointments are more disruptive and will have his beady angry eyes upon themselves when the reality of what he wants meets the constitution which the supreme court will work to and abide by regardless of having a majority 'republican' leaning.."
Ultimately that's what he is, a disrupter who leans towards chaos more than control. |
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He would be given the chance as that's how he's run his business
Most politicians would be, the government is supposed to be set up to stop individuals going too far
The left crying about Donnie being Hitler are as ridiculous to me as the right crying that Obama was the antichrist
He's just another politician, he'll be gone in a few year's and the world will carry on, just like it did after his first term |
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"He would be given the chance as that's how he's run his business
Most politicians would be, the government is supposed to be set up to stop individuals going too far
The left crying about Donnie being Hitler are as ridiculous to me as the right crying that Obama was the antichrist
He's just another politician, he'll be gone in a few year's and the world will carry on, just like it did after his first term "
Agree with that but would add given his position he stands to cause pretty seismic changes globally with some of what he will do or try to do these next four years.. |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening.
Fair enough. How far do you think he's going to push it? He's a lot less restrained this time.
Yes, I agree, and more focussed. But the US Courts and Constitution have shown themselves to be both robust and flexible enough to withstand him. The biggest danger would be if he found a way to stand for a 3rd term."
They were last time. Hopefully, they will remain so. They're the only protection US citizens have from him.
The rest of us around the world. Who knows? Grow a spine and resist? Or cave in to his will?
He doesn't have to be a dictator to cause massive harm. |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening.
Fair enough. How far do you think he's going to push it? He's a lot less restrained this time.
Yes, I agree, and more focussed. But the US Courts and Constitution have shown themselves to be both robust and flexible enough to withstand him. The biggest danger would be if he found a way to stand for a 3rd term.
They were last time. Hopefully, they will remain so. They're the only protection US citizens have from him.
The rest of us around the world. Who knows? Grow a spine and resist? Or cave in to his will?
He doesn't have to be a dictator to cause massive harm."
I wonder when "He who saves his country does not violate any laws" comes back to bite him in the arse when the people turn against him.  |
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By *abioMan 7 days ago
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"Power in the US is split between the President, Congress, and the judiciary.
So Trump has no more ability to be a Dictator than any other US President.
European Leftists may be getting confused because they are used…….
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…… and let me cut the rest of the diatribe off
Trump in a lot of his “Executive Orders “ so far is trying to circumvent the powers of other branches
For example… birthright citizenship….i think that probably comes under judiciary and the 14th amendment!
Freezing spending… only congress has the power of the purse! And you can’t stop spending if that money has already been allocated!.. you can’t just claw it back!
Disbanding government departments… and can only be done via congress
We you are seeing is a concerted effort to grab powers |
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"Power in the US is split between the President, Congress, and the judiciary.
So Trump has no more ability to be a Dictator than any other US President.
European Leftists may be getting confused because they are used…….
…… and let me cut the rest of the diatribe off
Trump in a lot of his “Executive Orders “ so far is trying to circumvent the powers of other branches
For example… birthright citizenship….i think that probably comes under judiciary and the 14th amendment!
Freezing spending… only congress has the power of the purse! And you can’t stop spending if that money has already been allocated!.. you can’t just claw it back!
Disbanding government departments… and can only be done via congress
We you are seeing is a concerted effort to grab powers "
No different than Biden pushing his student loan forgiveness when the Supreme Court said no.
This happens all the time in the UK and elsewhere.
Government tries to do something and some pressure group goes to court to stop it. Sometimes they do sometimes they don’t.
It’s just how a developed country works (or in the case of the UK no longer works).
When the Tory government’s Rwanda plan gets knocked back by the courts it’s just how things are. I might think that things need reorganising somewhat to allow more or less action, but I don’t go around screaming that Rishi Sunak is the next Hitler. |
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By *abioMan 7 days ago
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"I see Donald's claiming the CDU/CSU election victory is partly down to him. Clearly, what Merz had to say has passed him by."
It’s going to come as a shock to Donald when someone tells him his vice president refused to meet any German party when he was in Munich other than the afd ….
And he is going to be even more gutted when he find out Merz is very “merkel like” … |
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"No, he’s a strong leader that gets shit done! Wish the UK had a leader like Trump, we have woke lefty clowns running the UK."
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What shit is he getting done, other than dismantling federal departments without a spending review, installing Musk as his lunatic henchman to do it, making false claims about history (Ukraine started the war) and failing to understand the delicate nature of international relationships and diplomacy |
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"He would be given the chance as that's how he's run his business
Most politicians would be, the government is supposed to be set up to stop individuals going too far
The left crying about Donnie being Hitler are as ridiculous to me as the right crying that Obama was the antichrist
He's just another politician, he'll be gone in a few year's and the world will carry on, just like it did after his first term "
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But unfortunately unlike Obama, Biden Bush etc he intends to scorch the earth he leaves behind him. |
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"I see Donald's claiming the CDU/CSU election victory is partly down to him. Clearly, what Merz had to say has passed him by.
It’s going to come as a shock to Donald when someone tells him his vice president refused to meet any German party when he was in Munich other than the afd ….
And he is going to be even more gutted when he find out Merz is very “merkel like” …"
Does anything shock him, though?
As for Merz being like Merkel, I'm not so sure. He's showing no sign at all of trying to be nice to Putin. She tried it, thinking it was worth a punt; it turned out not to be. Can't see that mistake being repeated. |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening.
Fair enough. How far do you think he's going to push it? He's a lot less restrained this time.
Yes, I agree, and more focussed. But the US Courts and Constitution have shown themselves to be both robust and flexible enough to withstand him. The biggest danger would be if he found a way to stand for a 3rd term.
They were last time. Hopefully, they will remain so. They're the only protection US citizens have from him.
The rest of us around the world. Who knows? Grow a spine and resist? Or cave in to his will?
He doesn't have to be a dictator to cause massive harm.
I wonder when "He who saves his country does not violate any laws" comes back to bite him in the arse when the people turn against him. "
i thought his followers were just blind sheep who were in a cult, if thats the case they wont turn on him, if your talking about those he didnt vote for him i must say they havent done anything yet |
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"He isn't, probably would like to be, but zero chance of it happening.
Fair enough. How far do you think he's going to push it? He's a lot less restrained this time.
Yes, I agree, and more focussed. But the US Courts and Constitution have shown themselves to be both robust and flexible enough to withstand him. The biggest danger would be if he found a way to stand for a 3rd term.
They were last time. Hopefully, they will remain so. They're the only protection US citizens have from him.
The rest of us around the world. Who knows? Grow a spine and resist? Or cave in to his will?
He doesn't have to be a dictator to cause massive harm.
I wonder when "He who saves his country does not violate any laws" comes back to bite him in the arse when the people turn against him. i thought his followers were just blind sheep who were in a cult, if thats the case they wont turn on him, if your talking about those he didnt vote for him i must say they havent done anything yet"
Not all his followers are cult sheep. Some people actually were fool enough to believe what he said. The cult is about 25% to 30% of his following. |
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"I see Donald's claiming the CDU/CSU election victory is partly down to him. Clearly, what Merz had to say has passed him by.
It’s going to come as a shock to Donald when someone tells him his vice president refused to meet any German party when he was in Munich other than the afd ….
And he is going to be even more gutted when he find out Merz is very “merkel like” …"
Oh dear 🤦♂️ Merz famously hates Merkel and is famously unlike her. |
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"I see Donald's claiming the CDU/CSU election victory is partly down to him. Clearly, what Merz had to say has passed him by.
It’s going to come as a shock to Donald when someone tells him his vice president refused to meet any German party when he was in Munich other than the afd ….
And he is going to be even more gutted when he find out Merz is very “merkel like” …
Oh dear 🤦♂️ Merz famously hates Merkel and is famously unlike her."
That's what I thought. He's no Putin fan either. I think he might have a somewhat strained relationship with Donald and his little helpers. |
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"I see Donald's claiming the CDU/CSU election victory is partly down to him. Clearly, what Merz had to say has passed him by.
It’s going to come as a shock to Donald when someone tells him his vice president refused to meet any German party when he was in Munich other than the afd ….
And he is going to be even more gutted when he find out Merz is very “merkel like” …
Oh dear 🤦♂️ Merz famously hates Merkel and is famously unlike her.
That's what I thought. He's no Putin fan either. I think he might have a somewhat strained relationship with Donald and his little helpers."
His feud with Merkel has been going on 20 years since she double crossed him to become leader. |
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"I see Donald's claiming the CDU/CSU election victory is partly down to him. Clearly, what Merz had to say has passed him by.
It’s going to come as a shock to Donald when someone tells him his vice president refused to meet any German party when he was in Munich other than the afd ….
And he is going to be even more gutted when he find out Merz is very “merkel like” …
Oh dear 🤦♂️ Merz famously hates Merkel and is famously unlike her.
That's what I thought. He's no Putin fan either. I think he might have a somewhat strained relationship with Donald and his little helpers.
His feud with Merkel has been going on 20 years since she double crossed him to become leader."
Fair enough. I knew he didn't like her. Hadn't realised it was such an old grudge. 🙂 |
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"He wants to be, but not yet.
Vis a vis the bot's comments above about a "strong leader". He is, like those that have gone before him, testing the resolve of the rest of the USA to his authoritarian powers. His problem is he has none of the skills required to pull it off like those that have come before him.
There are however already signs that the spineless acquiescence of elected Republican members is being tested by their own electors so there is a hope that the majority of the electorate, if not the House and Senate, may act eventually. God knows what SCOTUS will do.
On the positive side the newly elected Chancellor Mertz of Germany has identified the need for Europe to rapidly rearm to combat the threat "from both sides". Heralding an end to the USA and Germany relationship that has stood since 1945. Sadly I think he is right. We have grown soft. Now is the time to stand up and recognise the real and present danger facing us from both sides. "
I think in some cases trump likes to paint a picture with his speeches and announcements. In the case of Germany and others they are seeing a picture of a Europe without American military protection and a common conclusion is that European countries need to urgently increase their defence capabilities. The war in Ukraine has unfortunately helped trump massively get that point across. He also is not adverse to using American help to cut a business deal as like seems to be happy with Ukraine and their minerals. |
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It's sad that a leader has limited respect for tradition and the rule of law and he could prove very harmful for his country, as well as the world. On the last point, he will likely harm global safety, in combatting global heating, potentially causing centuries long devastation, whilst heating runs away.
Superficially, he doesn't appear to care. He's a risk, depending on how he now pushes things. His comments upon not needing to vote in future, could suggest many things and his stocking of the judiciary with his servants doesn't bode positively either.
It's likely to be a very small number of very rich people who will benefit from his tenure.
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Well since Trump's emergence on the world political stage he definitely seems to be the catalyst for the "me first" attitude which seems to be rampant in today's society, forgoing the feelings and respect for others putting ones self above all. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Well since Trump's emergence on the world political stage he definitely seems to be the catalyst for the "me first" attitude which seems to be rampant in today's society, forgoing the feelings and respect for others putting ones self above all."
America first, he became POTUS on the back of that.
I also think European countries are waking up to the fact that they have not considered themselves first, and are now struggling to workout what to do from both a military and internal perspective. |
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"Well since Trump's emergence on the world political stage he definitely seems to be the catalyst for the "me first" attitude which seems to be rampant in today's society, forgoing the feelings and respect for others putting ones self above all.
America first, he became POTUS on the back of that.
I also think European countries are waking up to the fact that they have not considered themselves first, and are now struggling to workout what to do from both a military and internal perspective. "
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But he's not putting the interests of America first, he's taken a wrecking ball to it's constitution and federal departments, the only thing being prioritised here is his ego. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Well since Trump's emergence on the world political stage he definitely seems to be the catalyst for the "me first" attitude which seems to be rampant in today's society, forgoing the feelings and respect for others putting ones self above all.
America first, he became POTUS on the back of that.
I also think European countries are waking up to the fact that they have not considered themselves first, and are now struggling to workout what to do from both a military and internal perspective.
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But he's not putting the interests of America first, he's taken a wrecking ball to its constitution and federal departments, the only thing being prioritised here is his ego."
In your opinion what has he broken ref constitution? |
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"No,Trump was elected using the normal US democratic process. He is nothing like a dictator, only those who's vested interests he affects complain about him to be fair."
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Oh, so that'll be about 95% of the population then! |
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