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"Become like China as a counter to Nigel Farage? Not sure it's worth it. Has Tony got a lot of tech shares?" That was my first thought! | |||
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"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear." I've got bloody loads to hide.  | |||
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"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear." Big Brother poster boy over here | |||
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"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear." Exactly,.I'd rather be safe from terrorists than scared of who knows I was in Tesco | |||
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"To all the people saying "we're all monitored already" and "it's worth it for safety" it's like you never heard of the term: Death by a 1000 cuts How easily and merrily we march into dystopia "  | |||
"Good idea, lets get them out to people now, use the data held on driving licences / passports and NI numbers. All below is registered with a card not physically in their hands, but should carry ID last point. Anyone arriving at a NHS facility that hasn't got an ID card, does not get treated and will be reported / arrested. Any business that employs a person without an ID card, 6 months prison on first offence. Any person stopped / arrested for whatever crime that does not have a card, and should not be in the country deport. Make a temp card available in other countries to people seeking asylum and can prove their identity, they can then use that card to arrive via any route. If any person arrives seeking asylum without a card, deport them straight away. " Agree with some of that in principle but who will implement any of it in practice ? We hardly enforce the laws we already have around illegal immigration and the black economy and our borders are open to anyone who fancies it. | |||
"Good idea, lets get them out to people now, use the data held on driving licences / passports and NI numbers. All below is registered with a card not physically in their hands, but should carry ID last point. Anyone arriving at a NHS facility that hasn't got an ID card, does not get treated and will be reported / arrested. Any business that employs a person without an ID card, 6 months prison on first offence. Any person stopped / arrested for whatever crime that does not have a card, and should not be in the country deport. Make a temp card available in other countries to people seeking asylum and can prove their identity, they can then use that card to arrive via any route. If any person arrives seeking asylum without a card, deport them straight away. Agree with some of that in principle but who will implement any of it in practice ? We hardly enforce the laws we already have around illegal immigration and the black economy and our borders are open to anyone who fancies it." That fits in with an article I just read. A guy came here via the small boats route, claimed asylum but within hours of being put into a hotel, absconded. He worked illegally for a few years at a cannabis place, tending the plants, obviously not paying into the system via tax. Then one day went to A& E and got himself an operation on the NHS using his real name (was deemed an emergency). Once better he has fled back to his home country, despite the fact he was claiming asylum from it. Something's definitely broken and may take more than ID cards to fix but it's a start | |||
"Good idea, lets get them out to people now, use the data held on driving licences / passports and NI numbers. All below is registered with a card not physically in their hands, but should carry ID last point. Anyone arriving at a NHS facility that hasn't got an ID card, does not get treated and will be reported / arrested. Any business that employs a person without an ID card, 6 months prison on first offence. Any person stopped / arrested for whatever crime that does not have a card, and should not be in the country deport. Make a temp card available in other countries to people seeking asylum and can prove their identity, they can then use that card to arrive via any route. If any person arrives seeking asylum without a card, deport them straight away. Agree with some of that in principle but who will implement any of it in practice ? We hardly enforce the laws we already have around illegal immigration and the black economy and our borders are open to anyone who fancies it. That fits in with an article I just read. A guy came here via the small boats route, claimed asylum but within hours of being put into a hotel, absconded. He worked illegally for a few years at a cannabis place, tending the plants, obviously not paying into the system via tax. Then one day went to A& E and got himself an operation on the NHS using his real name (was deemed an emergency). Once better he has fled back to his home country, despite the fact he was claiming asylum from it. Something's definitely broken and may take more than ID cards to fix but it's a start" If we had ID cards there would soon be a flourishing black market in fake or cloned ones, just as we've got thousands of people driving on fake licences or even getting others to take their test. Without an enforcement infrastructure nothing will change. | |||
"Good idea, lets get them out to people now, use the data held on driving licences / passports and NI numbers. All below is registered with a card not physically in their hands, but should carry ID last point. Anyone arriving at a NHS facility that hasn't got an ID card, does not get treated and will be reported / arrested. Any business that employs a person without an ID card, 6 months prison on first offence. Any person stopped / arrested for whatever crime that does not have a card, and should not be in the country deport. Make a temp card available in other countries to people seeking asylum and can prove their identity, they can then use that card to arrive via any route. If any person arrives seeking asylum without a card, deport them straight away. " That sounds quite sensible and well thought out, Mrs x | |||
"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear." Like saying you don't belive in free speech because you've got nothing to say | |||
"To all the people saying "we're all monitored already" and "it's worth it for safety" it's like you never heard of the term: Death by a 1000 cuts How easily and merrily we march into dystopia " It baffles me how people just goose step into line isn't it. Absolute bootlickers ha ha | |||
"Former PM Tony Blair has suggested the UK needs compulsory ID cards and massive roll out of facial recognition tech to counter what he calls 'populism'. Do you think ID cards are a good idea or is Blair out of touch again? " anything blair has to say i dont want to hear, and as far as im aware he isnt an elected official so can keep his ideas to himself and last but not least why dosent he crawl back under the rock from wich he came | |||
"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear. Like saying you don't belive in free speech because you've got nothing to say" That's a good way to put it. | |||
"Great idea. Nothing to hide nothing to fear." Says the man who doesn't show his face on any of his profile pictures. | |||
"Great idea. Nothing to hide nothing to fear. Says the man who doesn't show his face on any of his profile pictures." Ouch !  | |||
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"Not seen the details but I'm broadly against facial recognition being used, when there should be a presumption of innocence and surveillance of everything of everyone isn't commensurate with this, for the tiny minority who might have done something wrong. ID cards were an unpopular idea last time and I don't have any more support for it today. I think it's likely the same overall, across the population. Any problems or needs can likely be solved via existing.means. it would probably be another very expensive government IT failure to fail to stay within budget and be open to abuse. I don't get what the motivation could be. " Yes to all your points. | |||
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"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear. Exactly,.I'd rather be safe from terrorists than scared of who knows I was in Tesco " And if those terrorists were born, raised and educated in the UK? Would their state issued ID card not make life easier for them? Or is that sort of thing just impossible? | |||
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"They would need to improve the facial recognition technology. I have to use it on my banking app sometimes and it’s totally shite, takes multiple tries to even register the image let alone recognise it, been locked out of bank account twice for trying too many times, then it’s into the branch to get them to do the transactions and sort out the account. " I'd be having an identity crisis in those circumstances. | |||
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"They would need to improve the facial recognition technology. I have to use it on my banking app sometimes and it’s totally shite, takes multiple tries to even register the image let alone recognise it, been locked out of bank account twice for trying too many times, then it’s into the branch to get them to do the transactions and sort out the account. I'd be having an identity crisis in those circumstances. "My friend just tells me it’s because I’m two faced and it can’t decide which one too acknowledge  | |||
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"Here is a heads up, FR is all ready being trialed I saw one here in my home town, and have seen auditors on YouTube asking the police all about it. Also how will ID cards stop the boats." It is beyond trial, it is used today in every airport in the UK. The police use it too, live recognition and retrospective recognition. See my post towards top of thread ref asylum seekers and ID cards. | |||
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"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear. Like saying you don't belive in free speech because you've got nothing to say That's a good way to put it." Nothing to hide so nothing to fear eh? I think that's probably true for the vast majority in UK. But what if some laws were introduced that made the vast majority on the wrong side of the law. For example..being the 11th person at a funeral when only 10 are allowed, being in Tesco without proof of a vaccination or something, going to work somewhere that it was mandatory to have a medical intervention, buying coal, gas or petrol after you've already overspent on your carbon credit limit, being too far from your home whenever a pointless lockdown is called, not reacting on the correct manner whenever the "emergency alert" goes off on your smartphone. Nothing to hide and nothing to fear as it stands maybe....just wait until you catch up with the future. An awful lot of people could find themselves breaking laws that don't exist yet! | |||
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"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. " I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old. "Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. " Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever. "It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that. "Yes In the UK, all driving licenses must be in photocard format by 2033. However, you can continue to use your paper license until it expires. Check it dose not have a expiry date as well. And after 70 you have to renew every 3 years. Guess you have not moved or had points in a long time. Go you. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old. "Wow that is super impressive! You can fly under the radar for sure, assuming you haven't got a passport? | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 " At birth when registered would be a logical starting point, it would stay with a person forever like a NI number. This would be inline with other European countries, but not all. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that. "Oh and don't think you xan drive over sea. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 At birth when registered would be a logical starting point, it would stay with a person forever like a NI number. This would be inline with other European countries, but not all. " You don't get a NI number till 16 at the moment unless you request 1 But this might also make Children more accountable for there actions. Be good to link the under 18's to perants. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Wow that is super impressive! You can fly under the radar for sure, assuming you haven't got a passport? "No passport either | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that.
Yes
In the UK, all driving licenses must be in photocard format by 2033. However, you can continue to use your paper license until it expires.
Check it dose not have a expiry date as well.
And after 70 you have to renew every 3 years.
Guess you have not moved or had points in a long time. Go you."It has an expiry date that corresponds to 70th. The last points I had are hand written in the space provided on the back of the license, they have long expired but have never bothered to get them removed. Haven’t moved since I first got a license in 1984, haven’t actually moved since 1970 | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that.
Yes
In the UK, all driving licenses must be in photocard format by 2033. However, you can continue to use your paper license until it expires.
Check it dose not have a expiry date as well.
And after 70 you have to renew every 3 years.
Guess you have not moved or had points in a long time. Go you.
It has an expiry date that corresponds to 70th.
The last points I had are hand written in the space provided on the back of the license, they have long expired but have never bothered to get them removed.
Haven’t moved since I first got a license in 1984, haven’t actually moved since 1970 "Oh well you could be OK Happy days I guess you are almost out of the system. I find it hard when I need ID. It must be almost impossible for you. But good luck. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that.
Yes
In the UK, all driving licenses must be in photocard format by 2033. However, you can continue to use your paper license until it expires.
Check it dose not have a expiry date as well.
And after 70 you have to renew every 3 years.
Guess you have not moved or had points in a long time. Go you.
It has an expiry date that corresponds to 70th.
The last points I had are hand written in the space provided on the back of the license, they have long expired but have never bothered to get them removed.
Haven’t moved since I first got a license in 1984, haven’t actually moved since 1970
Oh well you could be OK
Happy days I guess you are almost out of the system.
I find it hard when I need ID. It must be almost impossible for you. But good luck. "The only thing it has impacted on is voting and I haven’t done that for a while anyway🤷 As for needing ID in general, the only people who have asked was at the bank but they were happy with paper license, a couple of utility bills and my bank card, I have been using the same branch since I was a teenager though | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that.
Yes
In the UK, all driving licenses must be in photocard format by 2033. However, you can continue to use your paper license until it expires.
Check it dose not have a expiry date as well.
And after 70 you have to renew every 3 years.
Guess you have not moved or had points in a long time. Go you.
It has an expiry date that corresponds to 70th.
The last points I had are hand written in the space provided on the back of the license, they have long expired but have never bothered to get them removed.
Haven’t moved since I first got a license in 1984, haven’t actually moved since 1970
Oh well you could be OK
Happy days I guess you are almost out of the system.
I find it hard when I need ID. It must be almost impossible for you. But good luck.
The only thing it has impacted on is voting and I haven’t done that for a while anyway🤷
As for needing ID in general, the only people who have asked was at the bank but they were happy with paper license, a couple of utility bills and my bank card, I have been using the same branch since I was a teenager though "Is your nickname "The Shadow"
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"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 At birth when registered would be a logical starting point, it would stay with a person forever like a NI number. This would be inline with other European countries, but not all. You don't get a NI number till 16 at the moment unless you request 1 But this might also make Children more accountable for there actions. Be good to link the under 18's to perants. " Sounds like brand them with a hot iron at birth. | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. I have a driving license but it does not have a photo on it, yes I’m old.
Only for the next 8 years unless it expires sooner then it will have to have a photo on it. They don't last forever.
It doesn’t expire until I’m 70. Are they changing the license rules in 8 years, hadn’t heard that.
Yes
In the UK, all driving licenses must be in photocard format by 2033. However, you can continue to use your paper license until it expires.
Check it dose not have a expiry date as well.
And after 70 you have to renew every 3 years.
Guess you have not moved or had points in a long time. Go you.
It has an expiry date that corresponds to 70th.
The last points I had are hand written in the space provided on the back of the license, they have long expired but have never bothered to get them removed.
Haven’t moved since I first got a license in 1984, haven’t actually moved since 1970
Oh well you could be OK
Happy days I guess you are almost out of the system.
I find it hard when I need ID. It must be almost impossible for you. But good luck.
The only thing it has impacted on is voting and I haven’t done that for a while anyway🤷
As for needing ID in general, the only people who have asked was at the bank but they were happy with paper license, a couple of utility bills and my bank card, I have been using the same branch since I was a teenager though "I am like you. | |||
"Everyone on this thread I am sure will agree, that the men who fought WW!! wehre doing so for all of our freedoms. So why are people now so excited or disgusted enough to give those freedoms away?" I guess you don't have anything that identify you then not e en a bank card. Cash is the only payment that's hard to trace.. Is it freedom when a crime is committed against you but, the perpetrator cannot be identified. | |||
"Everyone on this thread I am sure will agree, that the men who fought WW!! wehre doing so for all of our freedoms. So why are people now so excited or disgusted enough to give those freedoms away? I guess you don't have anything that identify you then not e en a bank card. Cash is the only payment that's hard to trace.. Is it freedom when a crime is committed against you but, the perpetrator cannot be identified." Yes. | |||
"Everyone on this thread I am sure will agree, that the men who fought WW!! wehre doing so for all of our freedoms. So why are people now so excited or disgusted enough to give those freedoms away? I guess you don't have anything that identify you then not e en a bank card. Cash is the only payment that's hard to trace.. Is it freedom when a crime is committed against you but, the perpetrator cannot be identified. Yes. " So do I take it you support face less crime. And crime going un punished. Did my granddad fight for this. | |||
"Everyone on this thread I am sure will agree, that the men who fought WW!! wehre doing so for all of our freedoms. So why are people now so excited or disgusted enough to give those freedoms away? I guess you don't have anything that identify you then not e en a bank card. Cash is the only payment that's hard to trace.. Is it freedom when a crime is committed against you but, the perpetrator cannot be identified. Yes. So do I take it you support face less crime. And crime going un punished. Did my granddad fight for this." I support the freedoms your grandad and mine fought for. Crime going unpunished has noting to do with my or your freedoms. | |||
"Everyone on this thread I am sure will agree, that the men who fought WW!! wehre doing so for all of our freedoms. So why are people now so excited or disgusted enough to give those freedoms away? I guess you don't have anything that identify you then not e en a bank card. Cash is the only payment that's hard to trace.. Is it freedom when a crime is committed against you but, the perpetrator cannot be identified. Yes. So do I take it you support face less crime. And crime going un punished. Did my granddad fight for this. I support the freedoms your grandad and mine fought for. Crime going unpunished has noting to do with my or your freedoms." No it dose not but when CCTV evidence shows how done a crime there is no date bace to match it to at the moment. So it's hard to get a prosecution. | |||
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"Everyone on this thread I am sure will agree, that the men who fought WW!! wehre doing so for all of our freedoms. So why are people now so excited or disgusted enough to give those freedoms away? I guess you don't have anything that identify you then not e en a bank card. Cash is the only payment that's hard to trace.. Is it freedom when a crime is committed against you but, the perpetrator cannot be identified. Yes. So do I take it you support face less crime. And crime going un punished. Did my granddad fight for this. I support the freedoms your grandad and mine fought for. Crime going unpunished has noting to do with my or your freedoms. No it dose not but when CCTV evidence shows how done a crime there is no date bace to match it to at the moment. So it's hard to get a prosecution. " "dose"or does? Says it all. As I have said for my granddads and yours I will not give away their freedoms they enjoyed and fought for. I really have nothing more to say. | |||
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"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 At birth when registered would be a logical starting point, it would stay with a person forever like a NI number. This would be inline with other European countries, but not all. You don't get a NI number till 16 at the moment unless you request 1 But this might also make Children more accountable for there actions. Be good to link the under 18's to perants. Sounds like brand them with a hot iron at birth." Is that how you see ID, your posts are very emotive and I'm not sure personal ID warrants such emotion from anyone other than those not having ID would negatively impact. Have you considered the benefits of ID and ID cards? There are practical questions worth discussing, but I’m not sure ID cards warrants such dramatic comparisons. | |||
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"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 At birth when registered would be a logical starting point, it would stay with a person forever like a NI number. This would be inline with other European countries, but not all. You don't get a NI number till 16 at the moment unless you request 1 But this might also make Children more accountable for there actions. Be good to link the under 18's to perants. Sounds like brand them with a hot iron at birth." My dogs have to be chiped why not chip baby's all the police need then is a chip reader. | |||
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"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one " You can’t vote now in a general election without one of the officially recognised forms of photo ID. There is a list of what is acceptable. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one " If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one You can’t vote now in a general election without one of the officially recognised forms of photo ID. There is a list of what is acceptable. " I did say rumours about not needing ID, news reports, social media etc | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them." For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it" Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems. " | |||
"I really hate to break the bad news, if you have a driving licence or a passport you are already part of a facial recognition database. Having an ID card wont make surveillance more intrusive than it is today, but it will help manage illegal entry and possibly enable safe routes. Yer I'm not bothered buy one. But if we are going to have to carry ID cards. Should they be free? And what age would you get your first one? 16 At birth when registered would be a logical starting point, it would stay with a person forever like a NI number. This would be inline with other European countries, but not all. You don't get a NI number till 16 at the moment unless you request 1 But this might also make Children more accountable for there actions. Be good to link the under 18's to perants. Sounds like brand them with a hot iron at birth. Is that how you see ID, your posts are very emotive and I'm not sure personal ID warrants such emotion from anyone other than those not having ID would negatively impact. Have you considered the benefits of ID and ID cards? There are practical questions worth discussing, but I’m not sure ID cards warrants such dramatic comparisons." I do not see a benefit of throwing away my freedoms none at all. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems. "If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you? The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all. A car stop carries different rules. So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less. Doesn't sound good to me at all. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all."If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that? | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?"Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right. Rights as said before that people died to uphold. And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all. What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap."Few million who shouldn’t be here is more accurate. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap.
Few million who shouldn’t be here is more accurate."And is that a reason we should all give up our freedoms? The people who have to wear I.D cards without choice are prisoners. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all."Yes I carry my phone most of the time and there is a pick of my driving licence on it as ID. And would me happy to show it and be on my way. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap.
Few million who shouldn’t be here is more accurate.
And is that a reason we should all give up our freedoms?
The people who have to wear I.D cards without choice are prisoners."Yes, it is a reasonable trade off. Most of us carry some form of identification anyway so it isn’t much of a problem. Having to show identification reasonably frequently to carry out daily activities is again not too much hassle. Certainly it is needed before being able to access any services, benefits or healthcare. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap.
Few million who shouldn’t be here is more accurate.
And is that a reason we should all give up our freedoms?
The people who have to wear I.D cards without choice are prisoners."That's a lot of people even in my job I sometimes have to wear I'd to get into a fercility, probably 80% of working people ware ID or have to sign in and out at work. | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap."I'm really not following your thought process. All your personal info for an ID card already exists, it puts it in one place. Nobody would expect an ID card to remove freedom, that just isn't making sense. I seem to remember you quoting "youtube auditors" a few times, are you applying their activities and the purposeful crafted interactions with the police to create content as a benchmark for ID cards? | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap.
I'm really not following your thought process.
All your personal info for an ID card already exists, it puts it in one place. Nobody would expect an ID card to remove freedom, that just isn't making sense.
I seem to remember you quoting "youtube auditors" a few times, are you applying their activities and the purposeful crafted interactions with the police to create content as a benchmark for ID cards? "To mention posts from other threads is against the forum rules. The way you need to go to justify yourself, such a pity. | |||
" Yes, it is a reasonable trade off. Most of us carry some form of identification anyway so it isn’t much of a problem. Having to show identification reasonably frequently to carry out daily activities is again not too much hassle. Certainly it is needed before being able to access any services, benefits or healthcare." I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but I don’t ever recall having had to produce ID to access healthcare | |||
"With the scandals that we know governments around the world have got up to and I can't even imagine the shit we don't know about and people actually talking about putting chips inside your body, It is getting to a point that we will be carrying Id cards but it shouldn't be forced on us, Most people already do carry some sort of ID, driving license, mobile phones etc anyway but isn't there rumours going around about being able to vote without ID, If we have to carry ID cards of some sort in the future you shouldn't be able to vote without one If we already have documents that are connected to national databases, that we use regularly such as passports and drivers licence's, what is the pushback on a national ID "card" that would help cut down on illegal overstay, enhance credit and security checks as an example? Most other countries are using them. For me it depends on what is on the ID card, Photo, Name, DOB, place of birth, I can't think of anything else that needs to be on it Do you know what information is held on your biometric passport, the chip? Digital copy of you passport photo for facial recognition, a digital copy of your passport number, this can be checked against the printed number on the passport, security features to prevent the passport being tampered or copied and travel information when digitally stamped by countries you enter and leave. I would suggest all of that plus, NI number, address, NHS number, UK citizenship confirmation, driving licence information (wouldn't need 2 docs) With that information you would be able to access all public services, health services etc etc. The impact would not be to have a card, it would be if a person doesn't have a card, that will restrict severely their opportunities to play the systems.
If you were to be stopped by the police in the street and they asked for you to identify yourself would you?
The law states that you do not (unless you are suspected of a crime) have to give the police any personal information at all.
A car stop carries different rules.
So you are asking me to give up my freedoms make the rich and lawmakers more powerful and me less.
Doesn't sound good to me at all.
If you don't need to identify yourself unless you are suspected of committing a crime, why would having a national ID card change that?
Freedom to express freedom to consider freedom to keep my personal details to myself, it is my right.
Rights as said before that people died to uphold.
And now due to immigration the health service, you would call for everyone to be branded so these few hundred thousand people who iyo shouldn't be here so punish them put off those who may come here with an I.D card for all.
What crap what utter sh1t,i do not give up my freedoms because some one who has issues with how the government run immigration or the health service, utter crap.
I'm really not following your thought process.
All your personal info for an ID card already exists, it puts it in one place. Nobody would expect an ID card to remove freedom, that just isn't making sense.
I seem to remember you quoting "youtube auditors" a few times, are you applying their activities and the purposeful crafted interactions with the police to create content as a benchmark for ID cards?
To mention posts from other threads is against the forum rules.
The way you need to go to justify yourself, such a pity."You mentioned auditors in this thread... Never mind, lets just leave it there, it is a far easier thing to do | |||
" Yes, it is a reasonable trade off. Most of us carry some form of identification anyway so it isn’t much of a problem. Having to show identification reasonably frequently to carry out daily activities is again not too much hassle. Certainly it is needed before being able to access any services, benefits or healthcare. I may have got the wrong end of the stick, but I don’t ever recall having had to produce ID to access healthcare " And that’s the problem. It should be compulsory to carry ID and to produce it to access services such as healthcare. Injure yourself or fall ill abroad and the first question they ask is how you will pay for your treatment. This country is soft. | |||
"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear." Maybe it is about being able to live a life without being under scrutiny. No one business if and when I go to the shops, scratch my ass, or go to meet a couple. Comments like this should put everyone on alert to know that people amongst us are eager for government to take over every aspect of our lives. | |||
"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear. Maybe it is about being able to live a life without being under scrutiny. No one business if and when I go to the shops, scratch my ass, or go to meet a couple. Comments like this should put everyone on alert to know that people amongst us are eager for government to take over every aspect of our lives." how would they be taking over, they already hold the information, so what would be changing? | |||
"Great idea. Nothinv to hide nothi g to fear. Maybe it is about being able to live a life without being under scrutiny. No one business if and when I go to the shops, scratch my ass, or go to meet a couple. Comments like this should put everyone on alert to know that people amongst us are eager for government to take over every aspect of our lives." Not sure it puts you under scrutiny as such. It is for being able to prove you are who you say you are when needed. Going to hospital for example. Things like going to the shops is probably already available to a lot of organizations especially if you have loyalty cards and pay by debit card. How an ID card would know you are going to meet a couple I have no idea. Even less of how it knows when you scratch your ass | |||
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"Let me clarify, this post is ID Cards and Facial Recognition. My point is more towards facial recognition. My points were that cameras follow us virtually everywhere these days. Shops say they are for shoplifting, unfortunately these days in Britain they seem pretty ineffective. My point is there should be concern about our loss of privacy. My points were scratching your ass in public. No one should have a data base to see who scratches there ass and how many times they do it. We enjoy meeting people for sex, pretty intimate and should not be put on a data base with cameras following us all the way to someone's house. My concern is where facial recognition is taking us in the UK and US. Seems pretty drastic in China. With someone like starmer in the UK might not be all that far away, where the government can virtually watch every step you take in the day. NHS is in a bad way. Do you want starmer watching you each day seeing if you take in to many chocolate bars and fine you with a NHS tax because you are increasing your probability of having to get increased treatments for your diabetes? The link is the current facial recognition in China https://www.cnet.com/news/politics/in-china-facial-recognition-public-shaming-and-control-go-hand-in-hand/" Facial recognition is already in use at airports, large events, protests, and in towns and cities for public safety. Every time you send an email, browse the web, make a phone call, or use a bank card, you leave a digital footprint far beyond just cameras. Your main concern seems to be China and how its government uses this technology. China operates under a hybrid system, state control remains strong despite a shift toward private business and billionaires. However, here in the UK, we have democratic safeguards and legal processes, which, while not perfect, allow people to challenge authority. Surveillance is everywhere, places you might not consider... Billions of images are taken daily on mobile phones and uploaded to social media, often used to shame or promote peoples actions, ironically that is the same concern raised in the link you provided. That’s something outside of government control, however it’s being used by the police to retrospectively prosecute people for crimes. I wont mention messaging apps | |||
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"I wonder if twins, triplets ect have swapped photo ID cards. How does digital handle lookalikes twins and even disguise? If someone puts on a false nose will it be fooled. Can that digital image be misused manipulated. Cases of wrong cars on multi lanes being given tickets but they weren't speeding. A friend got hauled by security in a department store because they mistook him for a thief they were after. VAR didn't fair to well in football apart from the delaying the game it is still fallable. " Facial recognition in public settings, is often used to match known criminals to random faces in crowds, masks or disguises could be effective. However, when high quality images are compared, such as at an airport passport machine the technology is far more sophisticated. It measures biometric markers like pupil distance and facial contours, which are unique to each individual. If twins or triplets tried to fool such a system, they would likely be flagged as persons of interest, or they wouldn't be trying to fool it in the first place. The system would also detect any attempts to cover key facial features, leading to a failed verification. At that point, human intervention would step in, and probably let them go | |||
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"To all the people saying "we're all monitored already" and "it's worth it for safety" it's like you never heard of the term: Death by a 1000 cuts How easily and merrily we march into dystopia " | |||
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