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By *abio OP Man 5 weeks ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
So officially let the EU 5 years today, and yougov did a huge survey asking people where they stood now?
So interesting results….
55% of people said it was wrong to leave the EU as opposed to 30% who said it was right
62% of people saw Brexit more as a failure so far, as opposed to 11% who saw Brexit more as a success so far
64% of people would support closer ties with the EU without formally rejoining any part of the bloc
55% would fully support rejoining the EU
So.. I know that no one is ever going to admit they were wrong here (been here far too long for that!)
I would just ask if some opinions have changed a little on what you would have wanted
Or maybe you have completely flipped!
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Nobody could have foresaw the pandemic coming so really Brexit happened at the worst possible time, however I'm not sure if the pandemic would have made a difference to the success or lack of to Brexit.
I hate that we where lied to regards the financial benefits of Brexit.
I voted leave based on my own personal experience regarding the building trade and how overrun it had become with cheaper European labour causing wage stagnation and employers unwilling to invest in British workers and apprenticeships which we are now seeing the results of lack of new trade's.
Wages have increased and I'm finally earning the money I was pre credit crunch,it's taken a long time.
I'd be all for rejoining if labour of foreign workers was more tightly regulated |
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Those people who have a grievance are always loudest, so I would expect the majority of respondents to be Remainers. Given that, I'm surprised that the figure for those that think it was wrong to leave is only at 55%. I would have guessed at much higher. |
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"So officially let the EU 5 years today, and yougov did a huge survey asking people where they stood now?
So interesting results….
55% of people said it was wrong to leave the EU as opposed to 30% who said it was right
62% of people saw Brexit more as a failure so far, as opposed to 11% who saw Brexit more as a success so far
64% of people would support closer ties with the EU without formally rejoining any part of the bloc
55% would fully support rejoining the EU
So.. I know that no one is ever going to admit they were wrong here (been here far too long for that!)
I would just ask if some opinions have changed a little on what you would have wanted
Or maybe you have completely flipped!
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I was wrong, and it's shot me in the foot as am thinking of retirement over sea but that's more complicated now.
On the flip side this keeps more older people with cash in the UK helping the UK economy, and not taking money over sea,
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Officially we left, but in reality we didn’t. Year upon year we have elected people from the three party system that didn’t want BREXIT. All that shit with the now former speaker of the house and all the other guffawing toadies. We won the referendum and we deserved better.
Don’t be surprised when Reform UK rock the UK political scene to its very foundations. We need Nigel in No10! |
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I get a bit bored listening to people complain that they were lied to.
You were also told the truth. Both sides of the argument were made.
If you voted leave, you got what you wanted and the disadvantages of it were clearly pointed out to you.
Take responsibility for what you did. After all, everybody else is having to. |
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"I get a bit bored listening to people complain that they were lied to."
I've not heard any Leavers complaining that they were lied to. I've heard plenty of Remainders complaining that the other side only won because they fell for the lies, but I've not heard Leavers saying that |
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By *otMe66Man 5 weeks ago
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I voted remain and was so disappointed that it went the wrong way, for me.
However, I have accepted that was the outcome and what is now driving me crazy is the constant "because of Brexit" fill in the gaps...
I want our politicians to now move on with speed and implement changes that take advantage of leaving the EU, it is time to get on with it. |
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"I get a bit bored listening to people complain that they were lied to.
I've not heard any Leavers complaining that they were lied to. I've heard plenty of Remainders complaining that the other side only won because they fell for the lies, but I've not heard Leavers saying that "
That's a fair point. You're right, what I'm more annoyed about is remainers making the "Don't blame them, they were lied to" excuse. It's infantilising.
Some leavers do use it - but, as you say, fewer than remainers who love to speak for them.
In any case, it happened. Whatever damage it's caused hasn't been utterly catastrophic.
That said, nobody seems to have a good idea about how to repair it - and by that I mean one that both the EU and the UK electorate can stomach. |
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"So officially let the EU 5 years today, and yougov did a huge survey asking people where they stood now?
So interesting results….
55% of people said it was wrong to leave the EU as opposed to 30% who said it was right
62% of people saw Brexit more as a failure so far, as opposed to 11% who saw Brexit more as a success so far
64% of people would support closer ties with the EU without formally rejoining any part of the bloc
55% would fully support rejoining the EU
So.. I know that no one is ever going to admit they were wrong here (been here far too long for that!)
I would just ask if some opinions have changed a little on what you would have wanted
Or maybe you have completely flipped!
I was wrong, and it's shot me in the foot as am thinking of retirement over sea but that's more complicated now.
On the flip side this keeps more older people with cash in the UK helping the UK economy, and not taking money over sea,
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Now that just sums it up in my opinion.i maintain that the ideal of Brexit isn't the issue, it's the implementation. Similarly the ECHR. For example, the 90 days rule. EU citizens aren't subject to that, they have 180 days. It might not sound like much but it's problematic and, frankly, if you EU could be bothered to ask for it, why couldn't Lord Frost and his team? It's the implementation |
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Never votex in the referendum and cant say the result has impacted my life, probably a bit shit if you happen to have a holiday home there that you cant visit as often as you used to but hey shit happens, |
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You just have to look at the state of EU countries to see if remaining in the EU would have helped the country. The EU is basically a dead man walking slowly into irrelevance. Economically declining with a military defence worth fuck all. |
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I worked for a shipping company and was made redundant because of streamlining and cost cuts after BREXIT, total nightmare, the admin was horrendous.
I didn't vote for it, and wasn't totally against it. Yes we should have stayed in. But we'll have to see after the next 5yrs
to realise if the good outways the bad.
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I voted Remain but I wouldn't vote to rejoin. The EU countries are locked into a downward spiral of economic and social decline which it will be easier to escape from outside the EU institutions. Unfortunately I see little sign that there are British politicians with the ideas and will to make this happen so the UK will continue to go downhill whether in or our of an increasingly irrelevant EU. |
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By *ermbiMan 5 weeks ago
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"I get a bit bored listening to people complain that they were lied to.
You were also told the truth. Both sides of the argument were made.
If you voted leave, you got what you wanted and the disadvantages of it were clearly pointed out to you.
Take responsibility for what you did. After all, everybody else is having to."
So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
When saying everything would be OK on the border with Ireland was a lie. Politicians and others didn't think of the impact on NI.
It was crap loaded with more crap with nobody knowing what they were on about just spouting own self interest. |
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By *ermbiMan 5 weeks ago
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"Officially we left, but in reality we didn’t. Year upon year we have elected people from the three party system that didn’t want BREXIT. All that shit with the now former speaker of the house and all the other guffawing toadies. We won the referendum and we deserved better.
Don’t be surprised when Reform UK rock the UK political scene to its very foundations. We need Nigel in No10!"
You can keep Nigel. NI doesn't need him. Time to unify the island |
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"Those that voted leave have been very quiet for the last few years. Brexit has been a dose of the clap for business "
That's not been my experience at all. Both sides seem just as vocal and passionate as before when the subject comes up. It just seems as time goes on and people get on with their lives, it's understandably not discussed as much these days. |
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"I voted Remain but I wouldn't vote to rejoin. The EU countries are locked into a downward spiral of economic and social decline which it will be easier to escape from outside the EU institutions. Unfortunately I see little sign that there are British politicians with the ideas and will to make this happen so the UK will continue to go downhill whether in or our of an increasingly irrelevant EU."
The EU being in such a mess has shown the projections to be worthless. I agree the UK politicians are a problem |
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"Officially we left, but in reality we didn’t. Year upon year we have elected people from the three party system that didn’t want BREXIT. All that shit with the now former speaker of the house and all the other guffawing toadies. We won the referendum and we deserved better.
Don’t be surprised when Reform UK rock the UK political scene to its very foundations. We need Nigel in No10!
You can keep Nigel. NI doesn't need him. Time to unify the island"
Please unify, save the rest of us an absolute fortune. |
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"Those that voted leave have been very quiet for the last few years. Brexit has been a dose of the clap for business
That's not been my experience at all. Both sides seem just as vocal and passionate as before when the subject comes up. It just seems as time goes on and people get on with their lives, it's understandably not discussed as much these days."
A significant impact locally on tourism. I read a 500% fall in eu visas being issued. Which explains the substantial fall in companies booking accommodation down here for DML linked contracts. I suppose it keeps jobs in uk. |
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By *exyusMan 5 weeks ago
halifax |
Blame the wet politicians who havn't can't or won't take advantage of brexit - for decades MP's have been lazy knowing a lot of their work was donr by EU together with whole host of UK quango's etc
political revolution is coming but whether too late who knows............ |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies."
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie."
Was that on top of the normal annual increase or instead of? |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies."
"Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie."
"Was that on top of the normal annual increase or instead of?"
It was a 7.4% increase, way above the average of 1.2% leading up to that (both figures in real terms). |
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"Officially we left, but in reality we didn’t. Year upon year we have elected people from the three party system that didn’t want BREXIT. All that shit with the now former speaker of the house and all the other guffawing toadies. We won the referendum and we deserved better.
Don’t be surprised when Reform UK rock the UK political scene to its very foundations. We need Nigel in No10!"
Never gonna happen. Thanks god for that.
Usually the ardent brexiters will blame someone else for the failure that brexit was. You are no exception. I put the blame strongly on YOU
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie."
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first"
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000."
Number one: where the f..k did you take that sum? Cost per minute of what? Which service and in what period?
Number two: was the claim on the brexit bus a lie or not? It was a massive lie, and people fell for it like idiots. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
Terra Firma |
"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000.
Number one: where the f..k did you take that sum? Cost per minute of what? Which service and in what period?
Number two: was the claim on the brexit bus a lie or not? It was a massive lie, and people fell for it like idiots."
The budget for the NHS is in the public domain, shocking isn't it?
The cost of being in the EU of £350 million a week was misleading, it din't take into account the subsidies / rebates we got back. The actual cost was closer to £250 million a week.
I do not think that was then diverted into the NHS as a whole, if it did and we take that figure not the 350 million, it would fund the NHS for 12 hours and 11 minutes. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000.
Number one: where the f..k did you take that sum? Cost per minute of what? Which service and in what period?
Number two: was the claim on the brexit bus a lie or not? It was a massive lie, and people fell for it like idiots.
The budget for the NHS is in the public domain, shocking isn't it?
The cost of being in the EU of £350 million a week was misleading, it din't take into account the subsidies / rebates we got back. The actual cost was closer to £250 million a week.
I do not think that was then diverted into the NHS as a whole, if it did and we take that figure not the 350 million, it would fund the NHS for 12 hours and 11 minutes."
And it’s still bullshit, as this hypothetical 350 millions a week do not need to be divided equally towards every single point of the budget but could be sent to, example, the improvement of social care or to train and recruit more gps, or to build a new hospital (another lie by Boris).
So your claim that it would only last for half a day is as false as farage pretending not to be part of the establishment. |
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We voted to Remain and it’s been the shit show and failed project we always expected it to be largely because it was built on emotions and fantasy and devoid of any Brexit strategy or plan.
It has damaged the country economically, massively divided the country and caused years of non productive distraction for our Government.
We are unable to think of a single benefit to our family that’s come from it all other than becoming Irish citizens!
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000.
Number one: where the f..k did you take that sum? Cost per minute of what? Which service and in what period?
Number two: was the claim on the brexit bus a lie or not? It was a massive lie, and people fell for it like idiots.
The budget for the NHS is in the public domain, shocking isn't it?
The cost of being in the EU of £350 million a week was misleading, it din't take into account the subsidies / rebates we got back. The actual cost was closer to £250 million a week.
I do not think that was then diverted into the NHS as a whole, if it did and we take that figure not the 350 million, it would fund the NHS for 12 hours and 11 minutes.
And it’s still bullshit, as this hypothetical 350 millions a week do not need to be divided equally towards every single point of the budget but could be sent to, example, the improvement of social care or to train and recruit more gps, or to build a new hospital (another lie by Boris).
So your claim that it would only last for half a day is as false as farage pretending not to be part of the establishment."
I've got nothing to prove or disprove the numbers are in the public domain and available for any one to see.
If you think I have this wrong, put your figures up here and show me. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies."
"Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie."
"Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first"
If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up. |
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"We voted to Remain and it’s been the shit show and failed project we always expected it to be largely because it was built on emotions and fantasy and devoid of any Brexit strategy or plan.
It has damaged the country economically, massively divided the country and caused years of non productive distraction for our Government.
We are unable to think of a single benefit to our family that’s come from it all other than becoming Irish citizens!
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You could apply every point to the current govt and the general election. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000.
Number one: where the f..k did you take that sum? Cost per minute of what? Which service and in what period?
Number two: was the claim on the brexit bus a lie or not? It was a massive lie, and people fell for it like idiots.
The budget for the NHS is in the public domain, shocking isn't it?
The cost of being in the EU of £350 million a week was misleading, it din't take into account the subsidies / rebates we got back. The actual cost was closer to £250 million a week.
I do not think that was then diverted into the NHS as a whole, if it did and we take that figure not the 350 million, it would fund the NHS for 12 hours and 11 minutes.
And it’s still bullshit, as this hypothetical 350 millions a week do not need to be divided equally towards every single point of the budget but could be sent to, example, the improvement of social care or to train and recruit more gps, or to build a new hospital (another lie by Boris).
So your claim that it would only last for half a day is as false as farage pretending not to be part of the establishment.
I've got nothing to prove or disprove the numbers are in the public domain and available for any one to see.
If you think I have this wrong, put your figures up here and show me."
There is no figure to show. I explained you why your point is BS, if you don’t get it I suggest you read it twice. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up."
The “350 million per week spared if we leave the EU” claim has been largely debunked ages ago. It even has its on Wikipedia page. Bringing it back from the cesspool of brexit lies won’t make it any more real. |
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By *otMe66Man 4 weeks ago
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
I'm not sure how you would notice an extra £350 million a week being pumped into the NHS. It would last approx 17 hours before running out, the cost per minute is £342000.
Number one: where the f..k did you take that sum? Cost per minute of what? Which service and in what period?
Number two: was the claim on the brexit bus a lie or not? It was a massive lie, and people fell for it like idiots.
The budget for the NHS is in the public domain, shocking isn't it?
The cost of being in the EU of £350 million a week was misleading, it din't take into account the subsidies / rebates we got back. The actual cost was closer to £250 million a week.
I do not think that was then diverted into the NHS as a whole, if it did and we take that figure not the 350 million, it would fund the NHS for 12 hours and 11 minutes.
And it’s still bullshit, as this hypothetical 350 millions a week do not need to be divided equally towards every single point of the budget but could be sent to, example, the improvement of social care or to train and recruit more gps, or to build a new hospital (another lie by Boris).
So your claim that it would only last for half a day is as false as farage pretending not to be part of the establishment.
I've got nothing to prove or disprove the numbers are in the public domain and available for any one to see.
If you think I have this wrong, put your figures up here and show me.
There is no figure to show. I explained you why your point is BS, if you don’t get it I suggest you read it twice."
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies."
"Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie."
"Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first"
"If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up."
"The “350 million per week spared if we leave the EU” claim has been largely debunked ages ago. It even has its on Wikipedia page. Bringing it back from the cesspool of brexit lies won’t make it any more real."
The exact amount can be argued about, but whether it was £350m a week or just £150m a week, it was still a lot of money that we no longer have to pay.
But we weren't discussing the exact amount, we were talking about whether the saved money went to the NHS, and it did. Even if £350m was an exaggeration, the NHS budget was increased by even more than that. |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up.
The “350 million per week spared if we leave the EU” claim has been largely debunked ages ago. It even has its on Wikipedia page. Bringing it back from the cesspool of brexit lies won’t make it any more real.
The exact amount can be argued about, but whether it was £350m a week or just £150m a week, it was still a lot of money that we no longer have to pay.
But we weren't discussing the exact amount, we were talking about whether the saved money went to the NHS, and it did. Even if £350m was an exaggeration, the NHS budget was increased by even more than that."
And you are one of the gullible ones who really thought it was a good idea to fund it by leaving the EU? Are you implying that the government couldn’t have raised the funding without leaving the EU?
It’s all tosh, brought by liars to try to justify the worst decision in a generation and to try to avoid responsibility for it. Grow some, all of you. |
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By *ermbiMan 4 weeks ago
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Bad idea. I'll thought out. No reliable information. No point in blaming pandemic. Reduction in economy overall. Never let there be a referendum on anything again except in Ireland to unify the island so that we can get fully back into the EU |
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies."
"Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie."
"Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first"
"If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up."
"The “350 million per week spared if we leave the EU” claim has been largely debunked ages ago. It even has its on Wikipedia page. Bringing it back from the cesspool of brexit lies won’t make it any more real."
"The exact amount can be argued about, but whether it was £350m a week or just £150m a week, it was still a lot of money that we no longer have to pay.
But we weren't discussing the exact amount, we were talking about whether the saved money went to the NHS, and it did. Even if £350m was an exaggeration, the NHS budget was increased by even more than that."
"And you are one of the gullible ones who really thought it was a good idea to fund it by leaving the EU? Are you implying that the government couldn’t have raised the funding without leaving the EU?
It’s all tosh, brought by liars to try to justify the worst decision in a generation and to try to avoid responsibility for it. Grow some, all of you."
You couldn't win the point you wanted to make, so now you've moved the goalposts and started to argue something else. And thrown in a personal insult for good measure.
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up.
The “350 million per week spared if we leave the EU” claim has been largely debunked ages ago. It even has its on Wikipedia page. Bringing it back from the cesspool of brexit lies won’t make it any more real.
The exact amount can be argued about, but whether it was £350m a week or just £150m a week, it was still a lot of money that we no longer have to pay.
But we weren't discussing the exact amount, we were talking about whether the saved money went to the NHS, and it did. Even if £350m was an exaggeration, the NHS budget was increased by even more than that.
And you are one of the gullible ones who really thought it was a good idea to fund it by leaving the EU? Are you implying that the government couldn’t have raised the funding without leaving the EU?
It’s all tosh, brought by liars to try to justify the worst decision in a generation and to try to avoid responsibility for it. Grow some, all of you."
And if the EU falls apart in the long term will it have then been a good discussion to get out first?
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"So the extra money blazoned on the side of a bus was lies.
Not really. Membership of the EU did cost us a lot of money, and we no longer have to pay that. The bus said that we should give the money to the NHS, and the NHS budget was indeed increased by a bit more than the figure that was printed on the bus.
Not really a lie.
Stop repeating that bullshit. I work in the nhs and I’ve never seen the 350 billions a week that bozo the clown promised and that minor clown still repeat after years. That claim has been debunked ages ago, it was and still is a big fat lie. Like the guy who said it first
If you've not seen it, it's because you've not been looking. The claim on the bus was £50m per day, or £350m per week. The NHS funding increase was about £394m per week.
Like the other guy said, it's all public record. You can just look it up.
The “350 million per week spared if we leave the EU” claim has been largely debunked ages ago. It even has its on Wikipedia page. Bringing it back from the cesspool of brexit lies won’t make it any more real.
The exact amount can be argued about, but whether it was £350m a week or just £150m a week, it was still a lot of money that we no longer have to pay.
But we weren't discussing the exact amount, we were talking about whether the saved money went to the NHS, and it did. Even if £350m was an exaggeration, the NHS budget was increased by even more than that.
And you are one of the gullible ones who really thought it was a good idea to fund it by leaving the EU? Are you implying that the government couldn’t have raised the funding without leaving the EU?
It’s all tosh, brought by liars to try to justify the worst decision in a generation and to try to avoid responsibility for it. Grow some, all of you.
And if the EU falls apart in the long term will it have then been a good discussion to get out first?
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People have been predicting the EU fall apart anytime now for a long time; it's boring to repeat it IMO.
Anyway, with the threat of Russia, an unreliable USA, the rise of the right, reliance on China, economic protectionism, & the challenges of climate change, the EU has a lot of challenges to face...but collectively we can do it.
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By *hief ScoutMan 4 weeks ago
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Personally I've always felt that you can't stick two dozen countries with different needs, different priorities, different outlooks etc, into a "one size fits all" system and expect it to work. On that basis I voted 'out' and would do so again.
Around the time of the Referendum I picked up a set of the information leaflets published for the 1975 Referendum, and it seemed to me the issues outlined then hadn't been addressed properly in the then intervening forty years.
In 1975 Harold Wilson had the political shrewdness Cameron lacked, in as much as he set his case out (in favour of staying in), then stood back and let everyone else get on with the bunfight. Cameron was always going to be 'finished' if the vote went against him. |
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I think the Starmer plan is:
Crash the economy - tick
Blame the poor economic performance on the UK not being in the EU - starting to drip feed this narrative
Tie the UK to the EU with a new EU deal pre next GE - this will require the abject surrender of the UK’s interests
Go into the next election with a commitment to rejoin the EU.
The fundamental thing to understand is that there is nothing more important to Starmer than being “accepted” by multinational interests. This is his number one priority. |
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