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"So, what was up with that then? " It’s got a lot of people defending it who wouldn’t defend it were it anyone other than ‘their side’ | |||
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"So Musk raises his arm celebrating his buddy winning the election and everyone throws a hissy. The late great Denis Law (who sadly passed last week) used to raise his arm every time he scored a goal, and he scored quite a few. Even his statue has his arm raised. The more I read on here and elsewhere, the more I'm convinced that the left are having a collective nervous breakdown. Calm down, get over yourselves. There's a lot more to think about than an eccentric billionaire getting a bit over excited." Did Law also raise his hand to his chest before raising a flat palm and quickly bringing it back down? | |||
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"So Musk raises his arm celebrating his buddy winning the election and everyone throws a hissy. The late great Denis Law (who sadly passed last week) used to raise his arm every time he scored a goal, and he scored quite a few. Even his statue has his arm raised. The more I read on here and elsewhere, the more I'm convinced that the left are having a collective nervous breakdown. Calm down, get over yourselves. There's a lot more to think about than an eccentric billionaire getting a bit over excited." Hardly comparable. This is an 'eccentric billionaire' with the ear of a volatile and unstable president, and addressing a political audience. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this?" What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? | |||
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"To be fair I've just looked at it and it looks intentionally deliberate and very errrrr Nazi "Or perhaps more of a Roman style hail the Emperor. Is this the game plan Emperor Trump ruler of planet earth? | |||
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"To be fair I've just looked at it and it looks intentionally deliberate and very errrrr Nazi
Or perhaps more of a Roman style hail the Emperor.
Is this the game plan Emperor Trump ruler of planet earth?"There’s no evidence that the Roman’s saluted like this - though obviously through Hollywood and so on it became ‘a thing’ - so that’s still effective in spreading the imagery. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister?" My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister?" What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. " So you don’t believe it’s worthy of thought? I wonder if you’d feel the same were it a member of the left making such a gesture? | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement?" I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. So you don’t believe it’s worthy of thought? I wonder if you’d feel the same were it a member of the left making such a gesture? " I would feel exactly the same if it was Harris, Starmer, Biden, Rayner (choose whoever the fuck you like). | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement." Maybe you should go look. It may help you  | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. So you don’t believe it’s worthy of thought? I wonder if you’d feel the same were it a member of the left making such a gesture? I would feel exactly the same if it was Harris, Starmer, Biden, Rayner (choose whoever the fuck you like). " As would I. It just seems we have differing standards of what is acceptable at political rallies. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you "Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice. Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows? | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows? "Have you read what the ADL have said yet? | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows?
Have you read what the ADL have said yet?
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows?
Have you read what the ADL have said yet?
Yes. Hence what I said. "You made no comment on their statement. Here's the questions I asked initially.... "What are your thoughts on the ADL statement?" | |||
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"So Musk raises his arm celebrating his buddy winning the election and everyone throws a hissy. The late great Denis Law (who sadly passed last week) used to raise his arm every time he scored a goal, and he scored quite a few. Even his statue has his arm raised. The more I read on here and elsewhere, the more I'm convinced that the left are having a collective nervous breakdown. Calm down, get over yourselves. There's a lot more to think about than an eccentric billionaire getting a bit over excited." I think this may be the best bit of whataboutism ever… hall of fame worthy for the gymnastics done there!! Simone biles would be proud!!! It a bit like saying every toon fan was a bit dodgy because every weekend they copied the shearer celebration!! Difference is , even football fans knew the difference between what shearers celebrations was, and what paulo di canio’s celebration alluded to… but hey… what a couple of degrees difference between friends… amma right? | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows?
Have you read what the ADL have said yet?
Yes. Hence what I said.
You made no comment on their statement.
Here's the questions I asked initially....
"What are your thoughts on the ADL statement?""I said ‘maybe he was simply exited’ - did I not? That was in direct response to their statement. I fail to see how they can categorically state that it *wasn't* a n@zi salute anymore than anyone can categorically state that it was. It was most definitely a salute in the same style, of that we can all agree. Now we can debate how comfortable we are with such imagery in public office. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows?
Have you read what the ADL have said yet?
Yes. Hence what I said.
You made no comment on their statement.
Here's the questions I asked initially....
"What are your thoughts on the ADL statement?"
I said ‘maybe he was simply exited’ - did I not? That was in direct response to their statement.
I fail to see how they can categorically state that it *wasn't* a n@zi salute anymore than anyone can categorically state that it was.
It was most definitely a salute in the same style, of that we can all agree. Now we can debate how comfortable we are with such imagery in public office.
"The ADL statement doesn't mention anything about him being 'excited' so I'm not sure how you expect me to understand your reply was in response. I'd prefer to listen to people that deal with this type of thing daily than some lefties with axes to grind and points to score. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows?
Have you read what the ADL have said yet?
Yes. Hence what I said.
You made no comment on their statement.
Here's the questions I asked initially....
"What are your thoughts on the ADL statement?"
I said ‘maybe he was simply exited’ - did I not? That was in direct response to their statement.
I fail to see how they can categorically state that it *wasn't* a n@zi salute anymore than anyone can categorically state that it was.
It was most definitely a salute in the same style, of that we can all agree. Now we can debate how comfortable we are with such imagery in public office.
The ADL statement doesn't mention anything about him being 'excited' so I'm not sure how you expect me to understand your reply was in response.
I'd prefer to listen to people that deal with this type of thing daily than some lefties with axes to grind and points to score. "They used the word enthusiasm, did they not? Excitability is related to enthusiasm, no? Forgive me for giving you my thoughts, as you requested. Now are you comfortable seeing this ‘salute’ on stage at a mainstream political rally? | |||
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"The scary thing is that Musk obviously doesn't care whether it is seen as one or not. Who in their right mind would want to go within a million miles of being associated with something like that?" It’s because he is what we like to call a “fuck you” level of wealth We were trying to work out the other day what is the sum of money you need to be at…. Say or do the most offensive thing.. and people give you a pass! I reckon about 150- 200 million… but I am happy to move lower if needed  | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? What are your thoughts on the ADL statement? I have no idea since I’ve not seen any ADL statement. Maybe you should go look. It may help you
Once again, I find it hard to believe that anyone (let alone a so called genius) would make ‘that’ salute in a moment. Of excitement. Twice.
Still, maybe he was simply exited. Maybe those who don’t see it as a problem would be comfortable using the gesture themselves in public. Who knows?
Have you read what the ADL have said yet?
Yes. Hence what I said.
You made no comment on their statement.
Here's the questions I asked initially....
"What are your thoughts on the ADL statement?"
I said ‘maybe he was simply exited’ - did I not? That was in direct response to their statement.
I fail to see how they can categorically state that it *wasn't* a n@zi salute anymore than anyone can categorically state that it was.
It was most definitely a salute in the same style, of that we can all agree. Now we can debate how comfortable we are with such imagery in public office.
The ADL statement doesn't mention anything about him being 'excited' so I'm not sure how you expect me to understand your reply was in response.
I'd prefer to listen to people that deal with this type of thing daily than some lefties with axes to grind and points to score.
They used the word enthusiasm, did they not? Excitability is related to enthusiasm, no? Forgive me for giving you my thoughts, as you requested.
Now are you comfortable seeing this ‘salute’ on stage at a mainstream political rally? "What 'salute' are you talking about? If it was a Nazi 'salute' then no I wouldn't be comfortable, but since it wasn't I'm comfortable. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. So you don’t believe it’s worthy of thought? I wonder if you’d feel the same were it a member of the left making such a gesture? I would feel exactly the same if it was Harris, Starmer, Biden, Rayner (choose whoever the fuck you like). " I believe you would feel the same. Checks out with other posts of yours I’ve read. I don’t agree that it’s nothing though. Also you could have chosen people actually on the left  | |||
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"The scary thing is that Musk obviously doesn't care whether it is seen as one or not. Who in their right mind would want to go within a million miles of being associated with something like that?" I agree. It’s scary | |||
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"Anyway… my thoughts… knew what he was doing but lacked the positioning awareness to give him plausible deniability The application was not “wrong” enough….. I am surprised he didn’t give the extra “wink” just for style points " I don’t know if he’s tweeted about it but I’m expecting a ridiculous tweet that doesn’t exactly deny it, more just tells people to stop talking about it | |||
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"So Musk raises his arm celebrating his buddy winning the election and everyone throws a hissy. The late great Denis Law (who sadly passed last week) used to raise his arm every time he scored a goal, and he scored quite a few. Even his statue has his arm raised. The more I read on here and elsewhere, the more I'm convinced that the left are having a collective nervous breakdown. Calm down, get over yourselves. There's a lot more to think about than an eccentric billionaire getting a bit over excited. Did Law also raise his hand to his chest before raising a flat palm and quickly bringing it back down?" No, he used to hold his shirt cuff with his middle finger. Message to aliens? | |||
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"Anyway… my thoughts… knew what he was doing but lacked the positioning awareness to give him plausible deniability The application was not “wrong” enough….. I am surprised he didn’t give the extra “wink” just for style points I don’t know if he’s tweeted about it but I’m expecting a ridiculous tweet that doesn’t exactly deny it, more just tells people to stop talking about it" You know they are all going to say he forgot about the other arm, and what he was really aiming for was the Usain Bolt pose! Or if he had the other arm in a semi circle he could have claimed “teapot!” | |||
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"Anyway… my thoughts… knew what he was doing but lacked the positioning awareness to give him plausible deniability The application was not “wrong” enough….. I am surprised he didn’t give the extra “wink” just for style points I don’t know if he’s tweeted about it but I’m expecting a ridiculous tweet that doesn’t exactly deny it, more just tells people to stop talking about it You know they are all going to say he forgot about the other arm, and what he was really aiming for was the Usain Bolt pose! Or if he had the other arm in a semi circle he could have claimed “teapot!” " | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. So you don’t believe it’s worthy of thought? I wonder if you’d feel the same were it a member of the left making such a gesture? I would feel exactly the same if it was Harris, Starmer, Biden, Rayner (choose whoever the fuck you like). I believe you would feel the same. Checks out with other posts of yours I’ve read. I don’t agree that it’s nothing though. Also you could have chosen people actually on the left "Call me psychic but I knew someone would be along to say those people aren't left wing. Hence the "(choose whoever the fuck you like)" | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this? What are your thoughts on Musk doing this? Innocent and harmless? Naive? Or sinister? My thoughts are the left are trying to make it something, nothing out of the ordinary tbf. So you don’t believe it’s worthy of thought? I wonder if you’d feel the same were it a member of the left making such a gesture? I would feel exactly the same if it was Harris, Starmer, Biden, Rayner (choose whoever the fuck you like). I believe you would feel the same. Checks out with other posts of yours I’ve read. I don’t agree that it’s nothing though. Also you could have chosen people actually on the left
Call me psychic but I knew someone would be along to say those people aren't left wing. Hence the "(choose whoever the fuck you like)""You’re a psychic. | |||
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"I wonder if the ADL are gonna get in a hissy fit over this?" Activities of daily living?  | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills." What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? " I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread." And what would you describe the gestures as? | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. And what would you describe the gestures as? " An over excited billionaire waving his arm around without thinking perhaps. | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. And what would you describe the gestures as? An over excited billionaire waving his arm around without thinking perhaps." It makes sense when you put it like this. Because I, someone who is NOT. A billionaire, wave my hand with my palm open to be seen. I do not wave it as though saluting. But as I am not an excited billionaire, that’s probably the reason I’ve never done something that might accidentally be seen as a [redacted] | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. And what would you describe the gestures as? An over excited billionaire waving his arm around without thinking perhaps. It makes sense when you put it like this. Because I, someone who is NOT. A billionaire, wave my hand with my palm open to be seen. I do not wave it as though saluting. But as I am not an excited billionaire, that’s probably the reason I’ve never done something that might accidentally be seen as a [redacted]" You don't need to be a billionaire to pretend to throw your heart to a person or persons and say, thank you with all my heart. If you did I think people might find it reasonable and acceptable. | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. And what would you describe the gestures as? An over excited billionaire waving his arm around without thinking perhaps. It makes sense when you put it like this. Because I, someone who is NOT. A billionaire, wave my hand with my palm open to be seen. I do not wave it as though saluting. But as I am not an excited billionaire, that’s probably the reason I’ve never done something that might accidentally be seen as a [redacted] You don't need to be a billionaire to pretend to throw your heart to a person or persons and say, thank you with all my heart. If you did I think people might find it reasonable and acceptable. " I suspect you’re not very good at throwing if that’s your technique | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience." Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be?" Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. And what would you describe the gestures as? An over excited billionaire waving his arm around without thinking perhaps. It makes sense when you put it like this. Because I, someone who is NOT. A billionaire, wave my hand with my palm open to be seen. I do not wave it as though saluting. But as I am not an excited billionaire, that’s probably the reason I’ve never done something that might accidentally be seen as a [redacted] You don't need to be a billionaire to pretend to throw your heart to a person or persons and say, thank you with all my heart. If you did I think people might find it reasonable and acceptable. I suspect you’re not very good at throwing if that’s your technique "It would seem that way based on the left wing critical throwing scale, I could end up being rated as any number of things. If I ever get emotional and mime a throw of the heart, I shall first ask everyone to present their political leanings to me, before any such a gesture is completed. That should prevent some very awkward moments and misunderstandings, and remove the joy from every moment. I think I'm on my way to becoming left wing. | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be?" I always thought he was a bit of a dickhead but I don't hold it aginst him. Never liked his cars or his dance moves but that's not a big deal for me either. I'm not on X so the way he behaves doesn't really bother me. | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? " I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? " None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. | |||
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"Surprise surprise people have now stopped calling trump hitler there now implying someone else is the new hitler I'm guessing most of you wouldn't know what a nazi was even if they had the uniform on" Has anyone implied that Musk is Hitler? What’s your view on his salute? What do you think he was doing? And do you think he’s oblivious to the optics of that action? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others." Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? " A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly | |||
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"I don't worry about what someone i don't know and am ever likely to meet does elon is s grown man I'm sure he can defend himself,mabey wait for his explanation instead of guessing what he meant by it mabey? Just a thought" So you have no opinion at all? Do you think it looked like ‘that’ salute? Would you do it in public? Perhaps in celebration? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? " There are two possibilities - He didn't know the salute fully, which is possible because he moved out if South Africa only after school and there is a good chance he didn't come across details of the salute - He knew it but didn't care for what people would think and he just wanted to express himself, which is also possible Neither of the possibilities have anything to do with whether he is a genius or not. You are talking about the world's richest person running some of the most innovative and successful businesses, and also one of the most powerful man in the politics today. Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly " You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius?" No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s."You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box. | |||
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"I don't worry about what someone i don't know and am ever likely to meet does elon is s grown man I'm sure he can defend himself,mabey wait for his explanation instead of guessing what he meant by it mabey? Just a thought So you have no opinion at all? Do you think it looked like ‘that’ salute? Would you do it in public? Perhaps in celebration? " is stuck my arm out in the air with a clenched fist at football when my teams scored,as for elon nope I don't have an opinion,why would I? I know him as well as I know you.like I said I've not heard his explanation and all I've seen on tv is a 3 or 4 second clip don't know what he was doing or said before or after,if I've learnt anything over the last few years is don't take what the news says as fact straight away | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. " How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him. | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s.
You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box.
"I made assumptions? You literally excused him because of Asperger’s. Did his Asperger’s also make him promote antisemitic output on X as well? You know as well as I do, he fucked up and did the indefensible. Maybe he was joking around and made a mistake. But he knew what he was doing - it’s not an involuntary act to make that salute. It’s offensive to give him a free pass like that. | |||
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"Wrong angle to be nazi salute, if you look at the stills. What would you describe it as, if you watch the video? I watched the video with a critical eye cos of this thread. And what would you describe the gestures as? " Do I really have to describe the physical action? Btw I'm a leftie. | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him." Oh it’s not personal, I’d have beef with anyone making that salute, at a rally, on the street, anywhere. Wouldn’t you? | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. " Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs  .
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs .
There is as much correlation between intellect and behaviour as there is between intellect and common sense."Now it is plausible that Musk may lack the common sense to understand the impact of his stupid salute. Especially given his recent history of promoting antisemitic output on X - he really should know better. So perhaps he is a business genius, who’s also a bit thick. Kinda like a footballer who can score a free-kick from 30 yards but finds rudimentary English behind them. | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s.
You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box.
I made assumptions? You literally excused him because of Asperger’s. Did his Asperger’s also make him promote antisemitic output on X as well?
You know as well as I do, he fucked up and did the indefensible. Maybe he was joking around and made a mistake. But he knew what he was doing - it’s not an involuntary act to make that salute. It’s offensive to give him a free pass like that.
"You are taking every piece of information no matter what it is and dumping it without consideration. Your argument to draw this out has gone from nobody can say for sure, to, he is a genius and knows what he is doing. You have not taken into account his words, the situation, and how excited he was. The next 4 years are going to be very interesting... | |||
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"Kamala Harris did the same salute videos of her doing it online ..is she a nazi too? 🤷🏻♂️" Kamala thumped her chest, then raised her palm, face down, before returning to her waist? I’m gonna need a link | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s.
You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box.
I made assumptions? You literally excused him because of Asperger’s. Did his Asperger’s also make him promote antisemitic output on X as well?
You know as well as I do, he fucked up and did the indefensible. Maybe he was joking around and made a mistake. But he knew what he was doing - it’s not an involuntary act to make that salute. It’s offensive to give him a free pass like that.
You are taking every piece of information no matter what it is and dumping it without consideration.
Your argument to draw this out has gone from nobody can say for sure, to, he is a genius and knows what he is doing. You have not taken into account his words, the situation, and how excited he was.
The next 4 years are going to be very interesting..."Your argument is Asperger’s, he’s excited, he was throwing his heart to the crowd. Would you do that gesture? Seriously, would you do it in public? On camera? | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him. Oh it’s not personal, I’d have beef with anyone making that salute, at a rally, on the street, anywhere. Wouldn’t you? " Now you have moved goalposts. From "he isn't a genius" to "he did that salute so he is bad" To answer your question, I wouldn't blindly hate someone because of a salute. It depends on intention. Did he do the salute because he is a Nazi? If not, I don't care. Same with Swastika. You won't have beef with a Hindu for putting up swastika symbol, would you? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s.
You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box.
I made assumptions? You literally excused him because of Asperger’s. Did his Asperger’s also make him promote antisemitic output on X as well?
You know as well as I do, he fucked up and did the indefensible. Maybe he was joking around and made a mistake. But he knew what he was doing - it’s not an involuntary act to make that salute. It’s offensive to give him a free pass like that.
You are taking every piece of information no matter what it is and dumping it without consideration.
Your argument to draw this out has gone from nobody can say for sure, to, he is a genius and knows what he is doing. You have not taken into account his words, the situation, and how excited he was.
The next 4 years are going to be very interesting...
Your argument is Asperger’s, he’s excited, he was throwing his heart to the crowd.
Would you do that gesture? Seriously, would you do it in public? On camera? "This is the key thing - if you have no problem with Musk doing this in front of the world, you’d also be comfortable doing it in the street - since it’s meaningless and he was excited or whatever. How many here would do it? Anyone? | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him. Oh it’s not personal, I’d have beef with anyone making that salute, at a rally, on the street, anywhere. Wouldn’t you? Now you have moved goalposts. From "he isn't a genius" to "he did that salute so he is bad" To answer your question, I wouldn't blindly hate someone because of a salute. It depends on intention. Did he do the salute because he is a Nazi? If not, I don't care. Same with Swastika. You won't have beef with a Hindu for putting up swastika symbol, would you?" So you’re not a Nazi (presumably), would you be comfortable doing that salute in public? That’s the logic you just set out. If you’d not do it in public, why not? | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s.
You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box.
I made assumptions? You literally excused him because of Asperger’s. Did his Asperger’s also make him promote antisemitic output on X as well?
You know as well as I do, he fucked up and did the indefensible. Maybe he was joking around and made a mistake. But he knew what he was doing - it’s not an involuntary act to make that salute. It’s offensive to give him a free pass like that.
You are taking every piece of information no matter what it is and dumping it without consideration.
Your argument to draw this out has gone from nobody can say for sure, to, he is a genius and knows what he is doing. You have not taken into account his words, the situation, and how excited he was.
The next 4 years are going to be very interesting...
Your argument is Asperger’s, he’s excited, he was throwing his heart to the crowd.
Would you do that gesture? Seriously, would you do it in public? On camera? "I'm afraid you are missing the core element inside the information I have provided, I can't spell it out any further, other than you might do better by separating the act as if he was walking into a room of employees and one of coming out to to packed inauguration full of emotion. People do strange things under emotive pressure. | |||
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" I just see someone who was doing something awkward to express this sentiment that landed differently with some audience. Accepting that this is what it was, are we all agreed now that he’s not quite the genius people make him out to be? Is someone being genius or not dependent on knowing or not knowing Nazi salutes? I’d expect anyone with a rudimentary level of education to understand the importance, wouldn’t you? None of the schools outside Europe (and maybe America) teach you the details of what a Nazi salute looks like. I knew about it only when I moved to Europe. Even then, I have seen only the picture with a stretched arm. I didn't know that touching the chest before doing so was part of the salute until I saw the news today. What you consider "rudimentary level of education" might not be considered the same by others. Well we know that Elon was very well schooled in both South Africa and the USA, was he not? Are you suggesting that Elon musk at aged 53 wasn’t aware of that salute and what it means? A few considerations when a person suffers with Aspergers: Heightened sensitivity and overstimulation in relation to loud noises, bright lights, unusual textures, or strong tastes. Poor coordination. Clumsiness. Unusual body postures and gestures. As mentioned he comes across really awkward when excited, there are reasons people have outside of their intellect that can make them act differntly You’re alll still defending it/him
He should know better. He does know better, he just thinks he’s untouchable. And to be fair he probably is untouchable - because he’s the richest man in the world.
It’s nothing to do with Asperger’s.
You have made so many assumptions to help fit this into your Elon Musk box.
I made assumptions? You literally excused him because of Asperger’s. Did his Asperger’s also make him promote antisemitic output on X as well?
You know as well as I do, he fucked up and did the indefensible. Maybe he was joking around and made a mistake. But he knew what he was doing - it’s not an involuntary act to make that salute. It’s offensive to give him a free pass like that.
You are taking every piece of information no matter what it is and dumping it without consideration.
Your argument to draw this out has gone from nobody can say for sure, to, he is a genius and knows what he is doing. You have not taken into account his words, the situation, and how excited he was.
The next 4 years are going to be very interesting...
Your argument is Asperger’s, he’s excited, he was throwing his heart to the crowd.
Would you do that gesture? Seriously, would you do it in public? On camera?
I'm afraid you are missing the core element inside the information I have provided, I can't spell it out any further, other than you might do better by separating the act as if he was walking into a room of employees and one of coming out to to packed inauguration full of emotion. People do strange things under emotive pressure. "They don’t do strange things like a ‘Roman salute’ and it’s disingenuous to pretend they do. Seriously. | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him. Oh it’s not personal, I’d have beef with anyone making that salute, at a rally, on the street, anywhere. Wouldn’t you? Now you have moved goalposts. From "he isn't a genius" to "he did that salute so he is bad" To answer your question, I wouldn't blindly hate someone because of a salute. It depends on intention. Did he do the salute because he is a Nazi? If not, I don't care. Same with Swastika. You won't have beef with a Hindu for putting up swastika symbol, would you? So you’re not a Nazi (presumably), would you be comfortable doing that salute in public? That’s the logic you just set out. If you’d not do it in public, why not? " Do you acknowledge that you have moved goalposts? That we are arguing about he is good/bad guy and not about whether he is a genius or not? | |||
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"Kamala Harris did the same salute videos of her doing it online ..is she a nazi too? 🤷🏻♂️ Kamala thumped her chest, then raised her palm, face down, before returning to her waist? I’m gonna need a link" Don’t worry, the clip is hilariously incomparable | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him. Oh it’s not personal, I’d have beef with anyone making that salute, at a rally, on the street, anywhere. Wouldn’t you? Now you have moved goalposts. From "he isn't a genius" to "he did that salute so he is bad" To answer your question, I wouldn't blindly hate someone because of a salute. It depends on intention. Did he do the salute because he is a Nazi? If not, I don't care. Same with Swastika. You won't have beef with a Hindu for putting up swastika symbol, would you? So you’re not a Nazi (presumably), would you be comfortable doing that salute in public? That’s the logic you just set out. If you’d not do it in public, why not? Do you acknowledge that you have moved goalposts? That we are arguing about he is good/bad guy and not about whether he is a genius or not?" I’ve argue that he’s either a bad guy because he did an unforgivable thing, or he’s very thick. You can choose which you believe | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs .
There is as much correlation between intellect and behaviour as there is between intellect and common sense.
Now it is plausible that Musk may lack the common sense to understand the impact of his stupid salute. Especially given his recent history of promoting antisemitic output on X - he really should know better.
So perhaps he is a business genius, who’s also a bit thick. Kinda like a footballer who can score a free-kick from 30 yards but finds rudimentary English behind them. ""Genius, a bit thick", I think you should stick with intellect and common sense otherwise you come across as contradictory. | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs .
There is as much correlation between intellect and behaviour as there is between intellect and common sense.
Now it is plausible that Musk may lack the common sense to understand the impact of his stupid salute. Especially given his recent history of promoting antisemitic output on X - he really should know better.
So perhaps he is a business genius, who’s also a bit thick. Kinda like a footballer who can score a free-kick from 30 yards but finds rudimentary English behind them.
"Genius, a bit thick", I think you should stick with intellect and common sense otherwise you come across as contradictory."Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here. | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs .
There is as much correlation between intellect and behaviour as there is between intellect and common sense.
Now it is plausible that Musk may lack the common sense to understand the impact of his stupid salute. Especially given his recent history of promoting antisemitic output on X - he really should know better.
So perhaps he is a business genius, who’s also a bit thick. Kinda like a footballer who can score a free-kick from 30 yards but finds rudimentary English behind them.
"Genius, a bit thick", I think you should stick with intellect and common sense otherwise you come across as contradictory.
Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here."Qualify thick | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. How so? I gave you two possibilities here. Not knowing the Hitler salute or knowing it but not giving a fuck about what people think are not signs that he isn't a genuis. You are doing some serious mental gymnastics here just because you don't like him. Oh it’s not personal, I’d have beef with anyone making that salute, at a rally, on the street, anywhere. Wouldn’t you? Now you have moved goalposts. From "he isn't a genius" to "he did that salute so he is bad" To answer your question, I wouldn't blindly hate someone because of a salute. It depends on intention. Did he do the salute because he is a Nazi? If not, I don't care. Same with Swastika. You won't have beef with a Hindu for putting up swastika symbol, would you? So you’re not a Nazi (presumably), would you be comfortable doing that salute in public? That’s the logic you just set out. If you’d not do it in public, why not? Do you acknowledge that you have moved goalposts? That we are arguing about he is good/bad guy and not about whether he is a genius or not? I’ve argue that he’s either a bad guy because he did an unforgivable thing, or he’s very thick. You can choose which you believe " As I explained above, there is nothing that shows he is thick. I don't think he did an "unforgivable thing" either. He expressed his emotions in a certain way. If you interpret it this way, it's not his problem. If a Hindu puts up a swastika poster, would you consider it "unforgivable"? | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs .
There is as much correlation between intellect and behaviour as there is between intellect and common sense.
Now it is plausible that Musk may lack the common sense to understand the impact of his stupid salute. Especially given his recent history of promoting antisemitic output on X - he really should know better.
So perhaps he is a business genius, who’s also a bit thick. Kinda like a footballer who can score a free-kick from 30 yards but finds rudimentary English behind them.
"Genius, a bit thick", I think you should stick with intellect and common sense otherwise you come across as contradictory.
Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here."That's just your opinion. Don't think many people would agree with your idea of thick. | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here. That's just your opinion. Don't think many people would agree with your idea of thick." I dunno. I think you have to be a bit stupid to do it . Or dropped on your head | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. " It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. | |||
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" Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here. That's just your opinion. Don't think many people would agree with your idea of thick." So you’d be willing to make that salute in public? If not, why not? | |||
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" Do you really think that him doing this salute makes him less of a genius? No. I think it’s evidence that he’s not and never has been a genius. Next you'll be saying having affairs is a sign of genius cos Einstein had affairs .
There is as much correlation between intellect and behaviour as there is between intellect and common sense.
Now it is plausible that Musk may lack the common sense to understand the impact of his stupid salute. Especially given his recent history of promoting antisemitic output on X - he really should know better.
So perhaps he is a business genius, who’s also a bit thick. Kinda like a footballer who can score a free-kick from 30 yards but finds rudimentary English behind them.
"Genius, a bit thick", I think you should stick with intellect and common sense otherwise you come across as contradictory.
Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here.
Qualify thick "Completely oblivious to the impact of one’s actions upon others. Unaware of history. Assuming of own perceived importance and untouchability, perhaps? Do you think it was a sensible thing to do? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. " What were his intentions? How can you be sure? Are you making assumptions about his intent? | |||
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" If a Hindu puts up a swastika poster, would you consider it "unforgivable"?" Apples and oranges since the swastika had a meaning of peace long before it was utilised by the Nazis in the 1930’s. | |||
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" Anyone making that gesture in public or otherwise, is a bit thick, let’s be real here. That's just your opinion. Don't think many people would agree with your idea of thick. So you’d be willing to make that salute in public? If not, why not? " I won't do it simply because that's not how I express my feelings. If I have a specific way I express my feelings that resembles gestures of bad people in history, I won't give a fuck what others think, unless it is illegal in the country. As I mentioned above, if a Hindu puts up a swastika symbol on his door, he is neither a bad person nor "thick". If I were a religious Hindu, I wouldn't mind putting up the swastika statue. Reasonable people would understand that my intentions aren't to hurt anyone. And I don't give a fuck about the unreasonable ones. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. " If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. What were his intentions? How can you be sure? Are you making assumptions about his intent? " If you don't know the intentions, isn't it wrong to assume that he is bad? What happened to presumed innocent until proven guilty? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. What were his intentions? How can you be sure? Are you making assumptions about his intent? If you don't know the intentions, isn't it wrong to assume that he is bad? What happened to presumed innocent until proven guilty?" But you said it was ‘clear that his intentions were totally different’? Based upon? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.." Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. What were his intentions? How can you be sure? Are you making assumptions about his intent? If you don't know the intentions, isn't it wrong to assume that he is bad? What happened to presumed innocent until proven guilty? But you said it was ‘clear that his intentions were totally different’? Based upon? " Because he followed the gesture with a line saying that his heart goes out to everyone. If you don't consider that good enough, that's fair. But definitely there isn't evidence that his intentions were bad? Goes back to my question about whether you should presume guilty in this case? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line?" Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.." I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too. "One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself. | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself."I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not? | |||
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"One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself." *themselves  | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. " Do people only have to apologise for things they intended to do, then? | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not? "I answered it above. Copy pasting again: I won't do it simply because that's not how I express my feelings. If I have a specific way I express my feelings that resembles gestures of bad people in history, I won't give a fuck what others think, unless it is illegal in the country. As I mentioned above, if a Hindu puts up a swastika symbol on his door, he is neither a bad person nor "thick". If I were a religious Hindu, I wouldn't mind putting up the swastika statue. Reasonable people would understand that my intentions aren't to hurt anyone. And I don't give a fuck about the unreasonable ones. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. Do people only have to apologise for things they intended to do, then? " well you know ... casual fascism an'all that | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not? "You can't get your head around the fact it was not meant as a salute... If you think he meant to do a nazi salute you might need to have a long hard think about why you feel that way, let me know too. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. Do people only have to apologise for things they intended to do, then? " People apologise for mistakes. If he didn't do that gesture with bad intentions, he didn't commit any mistakes. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. " I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not?
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I won't do it simply because that's not how I express my feelings. If I have a specific way I express my feelings that resembles gestures of bad people in history, I won't give a fuck what others think, unless it is illegal in the country.
As I mentioned above, if a Hindu puts up a swastika symbol on his door, he is neither a bad person nor "thick". If I were a religious Hindu, I wouldn't mind putting up the swastika statue. Reasonable people would understand that my intentions aren't to hurt anyone. And I don't give a fuck about the unreasonable ones."And as was explained, the Hindu swastika is apples and oranges. So you’d wouldn’t do the salute because that’s not how you express your feelings - the logic being that it is how Elon does. So what was he feeling? How do you know? You’re defending someone based upon how *you* feel about it/them - not based upon the broader impact of the action. If Jeremy Corbyn did such a salute, I *guarantee* you’d not be defending it/him. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. Do people only have to apologise for things they intended to do, then? People apologise for mistakes. If he didn't do that gesture with bad intentions, he didn't commit any mistakes." That’s not how mistakes work. | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not?
I answered it above. Copy pasting again:
I won't do it simply because that's not how I express my feelings. If I have a specific way I express my feelings that resembles gestures of bad people in history, I won't give a fuck what others think, unless it is illegal in the country.
As I mentioned above, if a Hindu puts up a swastika symbol on his door, he is neither a bad person nor "thick". If I were a religious Hindu, I wouldn't mind putting up the swastika statue. Reasonable people would understand that my intentions aren't to hurt anyone. And I don't give a fuck about the unreasonable ones.
And as was explained, the Hindu swastika is apples and oranges.
So you’d wouldn’t do the salute because that’s not how you express your feelings - the logic being that it is how Elon does. So what was he feeling? How do you know?
You’re defending someone based upon how *you* feel about it/them - not based upon the broader impact of the action.
If Jeremy Corbyn did such a salute, I *guarantee* you’d not be defending it/him. "Yes but Jeremy Corbyn is an arsehole 🤷♂️ | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not?
I answered it above. Copy pasting again:
I won't do it simply because that's not how I express my feelings. If I have a specific way I express my feelings that resembles gestures of bad people in history, I won't give a fuck what others think, unless it is illegal in the country.
As I mentioned above, if a Hindu puts up a swastika symbol on his door, he is neither a bad person nor "thick". If I were a religious Hindu, I wouldn't mind putting up the swastika statue. Reasonable people would understand that my intentions aren't to hurt anyone. And I don't give a fuck about the unreasonable ones.
And as was explained, the Hindu swastika is apples and oranges.
So you’d wouldn’t do the salute because that’s not how you express your feelings - the logic being that it is how Elon does. So what was he feeling? How do you know?
You’re defending someone based upon how *you* feel about it/them - not based upon the broader impact of the action.
If Jeremy Corbyn did such a salute, I *guarantee* you’d not be defending it/him.
Yes but Jeremy Corbyn is an arsehole 🤷♂️"And Musk isn’t? Double standards on that salute isn’t a good look. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .." I'm sure he wont say sorry for 2 reasons, firstly he knows it was not meant as a nazi salute and secondly triggered left wing activists biting at the bit to undermine everything said and done under the Trump administration is going to be relentless. | |||
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"Some very easily led and very excitable people in this thread, it is no wonder the conflicting reporting in the Guardian is accepted as the truth. " easily led. Yes. Better throw my degree away. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. I'm sure he wont say sorry for 2 reasons, firstly he knows it was not meant as a nazi salute and secondly triggered left wing activists biting at the bit to undermine everything said and done under the Trump administration is going to be relentless. " Thirdly, narcissists don’t apologise. | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself."You don’t have to try and create imaginary comparable scenarios. What I’m suggesting is exactly what I’m suggesting. | |||
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"Some very easily led and very excitable people in this thread, it is no wonder the conflicting reporting in the Guardian is accepted as the truth. easily led. Yes. Better throw my degree away. " A degree proves nothing to anyone about how easily led a person can be... | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
You don’t have to try and create imaginary comparable scenarios. What I’m suggesting is exactly what I’m suggesting. "Also no it’s not even close to being the same thing
Besides- who in here SUPPORTS him making the gesture? I thought people were only suggesting he didn’t realise the gesture?
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"Some very easily led and very excitable people in this thread, it is no wonder the conflicting reporting in the Guardian is accepted as the truth. easily led. Yes. Better throw my degree away. A degree proves nothing to anyone about how easily led a person can be... "No it’s just that my degree was all about challenging power and dominant ideas. And I’m talking about MY degree | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. I'm sure he wont say sorry for 2 reasons, firstly he knows it was not meant as a nazi salute and secondly triggered left wing activists biting at the bit to undermine everything said and done under the Trump administration is going to be relentless. Thirdly, narcissists don’t apologise." You are getting desperate now
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
You don’t have to try and create imaginary comparable scenarios. What I’m suggesting is exactly what I’m suggesting. "And it doesn't make any sense. I can support someone for doing something without doing it myself. | |||
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"Some very easily led and very excitable people in this thread, it is no wonder the conflicting reporting in the Guardian is accepted as the truth. easily led. Yes. Better throw my degree away. A degree proves nothing to anyone about how easily led a person can be...
No it’s just that my degree was all about challenging power and dominant ideas. And I’m talking about MY degree "Everyone has biases, degrees or not and recognising them is a critical part of genuine critical thinking...... | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
You don’t have to try and create imaginary comparable scenarios. What I’m suggesting is exactly what I’m suggesting.
Also no it’s not even close to being the same thing
Besides- who in here SUPPORTS him making the gesture? I thought people were only suggesting he didn’t realise the gesture?
"Not sure if you read the comments above. He made a gesture. Sure it's very similar to Nazi gesture. I don't believe he did it because it's a Nazi gesture or to show his Nazi leanings. Whether he knew it's Nazi gesture or not is a moot point. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. Do people only have to apologise for things they intended to do, then? People apologise for mistakes. If he didn't do that gesture with bad intentions, he didn't commit any mistakes. That’s not how mistakes work. " How else do they work? | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
You don’t have to try and create imaginary comparable scenarios. What I’m suggesting is exactly what I’m suggesting.
Also no it’s not even close to being the same thing
Besides- who in here SUPPORTS him making the gesture? I thought people were only suggesting he didn’t realise the gesture?
Not sure if you read the comments above. He made a gesture. Sure it's very similar to Nazi gesture. I don't believe he did it because it's a Nazi gesture or to show his Nazi leanings. Whether he knew it's Nazi gesture or not is a moot point."Well there's nothing else it could have been,no gesture or celebration close to this "style" and only ever used by Nazis. As I said before it was a deliberately provoking gesture. | |||
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"I suggest everyone that thinks it was not that salute, posts a video, face included maybe?, online on social media platforms of them doing exactly what he did. And on here too.
One can support someone doing something without having to do that act himself. What you are saying is akin to asking someone who supports trans rights to become a trans himself.
I’ve asked you if you’d do that salute in public? and if not, why not?
I answered it above. Copy pasting again:
I won't do it simply because that's not how I express my feelings. If I have a specific way I express my feelings that resembles gestures of bad people in history, I won't give a fuck what others think, unless it is illegal in the country.
As I mentioned above, if a Hindu puts up a swastika symbol on his door, he is neither a bad person nor "thick". If I were a religious Hindu, I wouldn't mind putting up the swastika statue. Reasonable people would understand that my intentions aren't to hurt anyone. And I don't give a fuck about the unreasonable ones.
And as was explained, the Hindu swastika is apples and oranges.
"Why? Repeating a gesture done by a bad person in history in itself isn't bad unless the person is doing it intentionally. A Hindu wearing Swastika because he hates Jews is a bad thing. A Hindu wearing Swastika for religious reasons isn't a bad thing. It's intentions which matter. " So you’d wouldn’t do the salute because that’s not how you express your feelings - the logic being that it is how Elon does. So what was he feeling? How do you know? " Scroll up please. I have answered this one too already. He followed up the gesture with a line. And if you don't know what his intentions were, you don't presume guilty until innocence is proven. " You’re defending someone based upon how *you* feel about it/them - not based upon the broader impact of the action. " What impact did it cause? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .." In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. Do people only have to apologise for things they intended to do, then? People apologise for mistakes. If he didn't do that gesture with bad intentions, he didn't commit any mistakes. That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work?" According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. | |||
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" Well there's nothing else it could have been,no gesture or celebration close to this "style" and only ever used by Nazis. " This is not true. There are plenty of images of other politicians doing not exactly the same but very similar gestures and the internet is seriously analysing them all today. " As I said before it was a deliberately provoking gesture." And why did he follow up the gesture with "My heart goes out to you"? If he was deliberately provoking, he could have just left the gesture hanging there. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance." Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. | |||
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" Well there's nothing else it could have been,no gesture or celebration close to this "style" and only ever used by Nazis. This is not true. There are plenty of images of other politicians doing not exactly the same but very similar gestures and the internet is seriously analysing them all today. As I said before it was a deliberately provoking gesture. And why did he follow up the gesture with "My heart goes out to you"? If he was deliberately provoking, he could have just left the gesture hanging there." sorry all rubbish. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. " Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. I'm sure he wont say sorry for 2 reasons, firstly he knows it was not meant as a nazi salute and secondly triggered left wing activists biting at the bit to undermine everything said and done under the Trump administration is going to be relentless. " I don't think for a minute he will say sorry even if it was unintended.. But he could clarify it wasn't meant offensively.. But again he won't.. | |||
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" Well there's nothing else it could have been,no gesture or celebration close to this "style" and only ever used by Nazis. This is not true. There are plenty of images of other politicians doing not exactly the same but very similar gestures and the internet is seriously analysing them all today. As I said before it was a deliberately provoking gesture. And why did he follow up the gesture with "My heart goes out to you"? If he was deliberately provoking, he could have just left the gesture hanging there. sorry all rubbish." Cool argument | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. " I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. I'm sure he wont say sorry for 2 reasons, firstly he knows it was not meant as a nazi salute and secondly triggered left wing activists biting at the bit to undermine everything said and done under the Trump administration is going to be relentless. Thirdly, narcissists don’t apologise. You are getting desperate now
"I’m desperate? I’m not one of the one’s trying to justify *that* image. It’s one of the things about 21st century politics - we’re sick of being told ‘you know that thing you just saw with your own eyes? Well it didn’t happen’ followed by a load of people who also saw it saying ‘yep, definitely didn’t happen’ Musk threw up the salute. Is he a Nazi? I dunno. Did he do it? Yep. Don’t turn yourself inside out trying to explain why or what he meant, because you don’t know. All we know, all of us here, is that he did it. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. " No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything." Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. " And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick." I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. " It's the people who expect apologies from someone who didn't make any mistake that are arrogant. The mistake is theirs for misunderstanding. No one owes them an apology. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance." Why is it a stupid idea? What harm has it really causes except some people throwing tantrums on the internet? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. It's the people who expect apologies from someone who didn't make any mistake that are arrogant. The mistake is theirs for misunderstanding. No one owes them an apology." In this case that's probably several million people then.. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. It's the people who expect apologies from someone who didn't make any mistake that are arrogant. The mistake is theirs for misunderstanding. No one owes them an apology. In this case that's probably several million people then.. "Yes, it's an international disease
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. It's the people who expect apologies from someone who didn't make any mistake that are arrogant. The mistake is theirs for misunderstanding. No one owes them an apology. In this case that's probably several million people then..
Yes, it's an international disease
People getting offended over silly things and expecting apologies all the time"And those who because of arrogance, sociopathic tendencies simply lack common decency but are lauded by others.. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. It's the people who expect apologies from someone who didn't make any mistake that are arrogant. The mistake is theirs for misunderstanding. No one owes them an apology. In this case that's probably several million people then..
Yes, it's an international disease
People getting offended over silly things and expecting apologies all the time
And those who because of arrogance, sociopathic tendencies simply lack common decency but are lauded by others.."It's not about decency. It's about not bending over to a bunch of entitled brats who believe that everyone owes them an apology for something they took offense over. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance." Elon Musk 'thick' - oh this thread has been comedy gold ! 🤣 🤣🤣 | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance. Elon Musk 'thick' - oh this thread has been comedy gold ! 🤣 🤣🤣" You don’t think it’s thick to do that salute at a rally? Would you do it? If not, why? | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance. Elon Musk 'thick' - oh this thread has been comedy gold ! 🤣 🤣🤣 You don’t think it’s thick to do that salute at a rally? Would you do it? If not, why? " 🤣🤣🤣 | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance. Elon Musk 'thick' - oh this thread has been comedy gold ! 🤣 🤣🤣 You don’t think it’s thick to do that salute at a rally? Would you do it? If not, why? 🤣🤣🤣" Would you do it? It’s a simple question. And if not, why wouldn’t you? | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance. Elon Musk 'thick' - oh this thread has been comedy gold ! 🤣 🤣🤣 You don’t think it’s thick to do that salute at a rally? Would you do it? If not, why? 🤣🤣🤣 Would you do it? It’s a simple question. And if not, why wouldn’t you? " This question has been answered multiple times. Not sure why you keep parroting it. | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. In the world stage, no matter what you do, someone is going to get upset. We can't go around wasting our time apologising for everything. Fancy being so up ones own arse or so busy that one can't even contemplate the possibility that one might have intentionally or otherwise upset others.. And even if one did realise being so arrogant or something else that one can't say a simple word.. It's the people who expect apologies from someone who didn't make any mistake that are arrogant. The mistake is theirs for misunderstanding. No one owes them an apology. In this case that's probably several million people then..
Yes, it's an international disease
People getting offended over silly things and expecting apologies all the time
And those who because of arrogance, sociopathic tendencies simply lack common decency but are lauded by others..
It's not about decency. It's about not bending over to a bunch of entitled brats who believe that everyone owes them an apology for something they took offense over."Families of holocaust survivors are entitled brats? | |||
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"It’s bizarre to see so many folk defending someone (anyone) making that particular gesture. Pretending he didn’t know what it means, or it was involuntary somehow. What a time to be alive. It's bizzare that people are up with pitch forks just because someone did a gesture that Hitler did even though it's clear that his intentions were totally different. If there were any intentions in what he did then they suggests fore thought.. I'm not sure what someone's intentions might be other than to cause offence in making a gesture such as that with it's similarities to history.. Did you watch the video? Guy was awkward as fuck throughout. And the line following that gesture was that his heart goes out to everyone. If his intention was to cause offence, why should he follow the gesture with that line? Yes seen it, I'm not fully convinced he meant to do it but whatever his reasons (and I don't buy the line some are spinning about he was excited and emotional given his background) it looks like a Nazi salute and anyone with his standing who is meant to become involved in government policies should at least fully clarify and put out an apology for how it looks.. But that's not going to happen I think.. I don't know why he has to apologise if he didn't do it with any ill intentions. I'm pretty sure we've all unintentionally upset someone at some point, said something stupid or put ones foot in it.. Fuck me I've said sorry on here more than once .. It's no big thing .. I'm sure he wont say sorry for 2 reasons, firstly he knows it was not meant as a nazi salute and secondly triggered left wing activists biting at the bit to undermine everything said and done under the Trump administration is going to be relentless. Thirdly, narcissists don’t apologise. You are getting desperate now
I’m desperate? I’m not one of the one’s trying to justify *that* image.
It’s one of the things about 21st century politics - we’re sick of being told ‘you know that thing you just saw with your own eyes? Well it didn’t happen’ followed by a load of people who also saw it saying ‘yep, definitely didn’t happen’
Musk threw up the salute. Is he a Nazi? I dunno. Did he do it? Yep. Don’t turn yourself inside out trying to explain why or what he meant, because you don’t know. All we know, all of us here, is that he did it. "You have flip flopped around with if's but's and maybe's, taking an image and insisting it is a nazi salute because, well because it must be, far too many assumptions. I had to look this up, it has been a while, but I thought it was perfect for this topic.. Occam’s Razor: the simplest explanation, with the fewest assumptions, is often the most likely to be correct. | |||
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" That’s not how mistakes work. How else do they work? According to you, any mistake you make requires no apology so long as you didn’t intend to cause harm, correct? Just to clarify your stance. Not correct. According to me, you don't have to apologise if you don't make a mistake. Musk did not make any mistake in this instance. Oh my bad, I misunderstood. You think making that gesture in public isn’t a mistake. I’m not sure what planet you’re on, but at least you’ve cleared it up. I have explained why it's not a mistake in multiple messages above. Not sure what took you so long. No, you’ve explained why *you think* it’s not a mistake. That’s not the same thing. And you haven't given a proper refutal for any of it except repeatedly banging on about him being a bad guy or he is thick. I’ve explained why he is a bad guy or he’s thick. The only rebuttal to it is that you don’t think it’s a really stupid idea to throw up that gesture - which you apparently agree with. Meaning you’re comfortable with it - and thus don’t understand it’s importance. Elon Musk 'thick' - oh this thread has been comedy gold ! 🤣 🤣🤣" Stupid Elon, his lame Tesla, idiotic SpaceX and ridiculous Starlink. | |||
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