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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST. "Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg." There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? | |||
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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST.
Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler. "I did not mention Nazis on purpose. Try reading what is put rather than what you think is stated. | |||
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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST.
Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
I did not mention Nazis on purpose. Try reading what is put rather than what you think is stated."I did read what you had put. It seems you either did not read mine clearly or misunderstood. At no point did I say you had called or compared anyone to Nazis. I said that since calling people right wing and far right are having less effect, SOME have moved onto comparing people to Nazis and Hitler. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? " There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme). | |||
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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST.
Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
I did not mention Nazis on purpose. Try reading what is put rather than what you think is stated.
I did read what you had put. It seems you either did not read mine clearly or misunderstood. At no point did I say you had called or compared anyone to Nazis. I said that since calling people right wing and far right are having less effect, SOME have moved onto comparing people to Nazis and Hitler. "In other words your post is not relevant to my OP? 
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme)." One point at a time, I guess 
I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is?
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme). One point at a time, I guess
I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is?
"I covered both points 
As for percentage of immigrants or types, he didn't elaborate. I believe he was talking generically ie any/all/most. There was no thesis attached  | |||
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"no, farage isn't like hitler .... but the political party he is forming is fascist " Whatever it’s labelled as it got more votes than Lib Dem or Green. And if the GE was held again today I’d expect Reform on 5+ million votes. If that means 5 million fascists then that’s what it is | |||
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"A tad hysterical, no?"
No it's a calm analogy. I'm not stating Farage is a Fuhrer in the making. That has to depend on his character and the publics willingness to soak it up.
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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST.
Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
I did not mention Nazis on purpose. Try reading what is put rather than what you think is stated.
I did read what you had put. It seems you either did not read mine clearly or misunderstood. At no point did I say you had called or compared anyone to Nazis. I said that since calling people right wing and far right are having less effect, SOME have moved onto comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
In other words your post is not relevant to my OP?
Admittedly I have relocked and seen you were commenting on someone else's post, but I still think my inference to my post is fair."Yes it was my opinion in response to someone else's post on general insults in politics and how they have developed. As you said before, reading what is actually put rather than what you think is important. | |||
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"no, farage isn't like hitler .... but the political party he is forming is fascist Whatever it’s labelled as it got more votes than Lib Dem or Green. And if the GE was held again today I’d expect Reform on 5+ million votes. If that means 5 million fascists then that’s what it is " I hadn't even thought that deeply re Fascism. Has there ever been a successful fascist party? I'm showing my political ignorance as I only know those ending with dictatorships. | |||
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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST.
Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
I did not mention Nazis on purpose. Try reading what is put rather than what you think is stated.
I did read what you had put. It seems you either did not read mine clearly or misunderstood. At no point did I say you had called or compared anyone to Nazis. I said that since calling people right wing and far right are having less effect, SOME have moved onto comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
In other words your post is not relevant to my OP?
Admittedly I have relocked and seen you were commenting on someone else's post, but I still think my inference to my post is fair.
Yes it was my opinion in response to someone else's post on general insults in politics and how they have developed. As you said before, reading what is actually put rather than what you think is important. "I hold my hand up I scan read far too often | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme). One point at a time, I guess
I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is?
I covered both points
As for percentage of immigrants or types, he didn't elaborate. I believe he was talking generically ie any/all/most. There was no thesis attached "I'm afraid this where 99% of people who go down this rabbit hole, misunderstand he referring to illegal entry and not legitimate immigration. If you look into this, you will see that legal immigration, those who qualify for visa's and work pay for healthcare and have a place to stay | |||
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"I suppose that comparing Farage to Hitler is a sign of desperation starting to set in. Maybe I should compare Starmer to Stalin. Both names start with ST.
Insults rarely work, in fact they can have the opposite effect. Calling someone right wing, then far right is often used as an insult and to shut down debate. That is having less and less effect these days so some seem to have moved on to comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
I did not mention Nazis on purpose. Try reading what is put rather than what you think is stated.
I did read what you had put. It seems you either did not read mine clearly or misunderstood. At no point did I say you had called or compared anyone to Nazis. I said that since calling people right wing and far right are having less effect, SOME have moved onto comparing people to Nazis and Hitler.
In other words your post is not relevant to my OP?
Admittedly I have relocked and seen you were commenting on someone else's post, but I still think my inference to my post is fair.
Yes it was my opinion in response to someone else's post on general insults in politics and how they have developed. As you said before, reading what is actually put rather than what you think is important.
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"A tad hysterical, no?
No it's a calm analogy. I'm not stating Farage is a Fuhrer in the making. That has to depend on his character and the publics willingness to soak it up.
If Farage writes his own Mein Kampf, I'll revise my view. "I'm sure you know Farage is no more Hitler than Starmer is Josef Stalin. The real question is what accounts for his enduring popularity? It's because so many people feel ignored and unrepresented by 'mainstream' political parties. Unless Starmer and his ladies get a grip in the coming years, there's a real prospect that Reform will get enough votes to form a government, or the very least force a coalition. | |||
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" I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is? " I don’t think so, and it’s the media that take the interviews and conversation there. I remember QT in late 2008, questions on the credit crises, after listening to the other panel members Farage calmly explained fractional reserve banking in simple language while the audience listened and the other panel members acutely aware of their own ineptitude. If you watch Farage interviewed there’s never a crib sheet or needing notes, whether the questions are migration, nhs, Brexit, economy, fiscal. He was a precious metals commodity trader in the city, whilst the current chancer of the exchequer had to fake her CV to get the job. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme). One point at a time, I guess
I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is?
I covered both points
As for percentage of immigrants or types, he didn't elaborate. I believe he was talking generically ie any/all/most. There was no thesis attached
I'm afraid this where 99% of people who go down this rabbit hole, misunderstand he referring to illegal entry and not legitimate immigration.
If you look into this, you will see that legal immigration, those who qualify for visa's and work pay for healthcare and have a place to stay"I have to disagree. I believe Farage knows exactly what he's stating. IE our opinions differ. He may imply illegal immigrants but those smaller numbers would not have the drastic effects on the list he mentioned. He knows exactly what he is saying with all its implications. Listen to his chat about Musk, he is meticulous about not insulting Musk or condemn what Musk says, even to the point of shouting LK down (which most guests cannot do ). | |||
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"A tad hysterical, no?
No it's a calm analogy. I'm not stating Farage is a Fuhrer in the making. That has to depend on his character and the publics willingness to soak it up.
If Farage writes his own Mein Kampf, I'll revise my view.
I'm sure you know Farage is no more Hitler than Starmer is Josef Stalin. The real question is what accounts for his enduring popularity? It's because so many people feel ignored and unrepresented by 'mainstream' political parties. Unless Starmer and his ladies get a grip in the coming years, there's a real prospect that Reform will get enough votes to form a government, or the very least force a coalition."People feel ignored: yes exactly that. His viewpoint resonates with the public, and he gives his rationale, the scapegoating. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic." You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate? | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate? "Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler  | |||
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"A tad hysterical, no?
No it's a calm analogy. I'm not stating Farage is a Fuhrer in the making. That has to depend on his character and the publics willingness to soak it up.
If Farage writes his own Mein Kampf, I'll revise my view.
I'm sure you know Farage is no more Hitler than Starmer is Josef Stalin. The real question is what accounts for his enduring popularity? It's because so many people feel ignored and unrepresented by 'mainstream' political parties. Unless Starmer and his ladies get a grip in the coming years, there's a real prospect that Reform will get enough votes to form a government, or the very least force a coalition."If Reform shakes up the two party contest, or gets in via a coalition, I see it as a good thing. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler "This | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler "You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster "Are you denying the comparison that you made? Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens." Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level  | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
This "See FandF | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now. "Bless. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens." 946,000 youth employment (age group 16-24) in November 2024, 552,000 economically inactive and 395,000 are unemployed (ons) 550,000 were young men and 397,000 were young women. Most of these will likely be white British No correlation, elsewhere I read 1.6m migrants of all ages in Britain not working are costing taxpayer £8bn a year. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens." The issue of immigration divides into two parts:- Illegal immigration. People are angry and frustrated that it's allowed to continue year. Anything illegal should be stopped or else we have anarchy. Legal immigration. This begs the question why we need 1mil. immigrants a year when 9.2mil. Brits are economically inactive. A huge social problem that needs addressing - but isn't. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level "In what way is it scapegoating immigrants to correctly point out the pressures on public services which high immigration brings? | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now. "Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything. But you do you | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you "You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question. You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you. Personally I think the comparison is dramatic. If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level
In what way is it scapegoating immigrants to correctly point out the pressures on public services which high immigration brings? "I cannot say immigration does not represent a political issue with pressure on public services. But is not his rhetoric NOT looking at other reasons? If "we" sort immigration out, we won't see a resolution of the issues. Immigration exacerbates the issues, it's not the cause - therefore immigration is scapegoated. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
"So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level
In what way is it scapegoating immigrants to correctly point out the pressures on public services which high immigration brings?
I cannot say immigration does not represent a political issue with pressure on public services. But is not his rhetoric NOT looking at other reasons? If "we" sort immigration out, we won't see a resolution of the issues. Immigration exacerbates the issues, it's not the cause - therefore immigration is scapegoated."If we reduce immigration we will clearly see less demand for public services and housing, so yes it is a major cause of supply issues. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme). One point at a time, I guess
I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is?
I covered both points
As for percentage of immigrants or types, he didn't elaborate. I believe he was talking generically ie any/all/most. There was no thesis attached
I'm afraid this where 99% of people who go down this rabbit hole, misunderstand he referring to illegal entry and not legitimate immigration.
If you look into this, you will see that legal immigration, those who qualify for visa's and work pay for healthcare and have a place to stay
I have to disagree. I believe Farage knows exactly what he's stating. IE our opinions differ. He may imply illegal immigrants but those smaller numbers would not have the drastic effects on the list he mentioned.
He knows exactly what he is saying with all its implications. Listen to his chat about Musk, he is meticulous about not insulting Musk or condemn what Musk says, even to the point of shouting LK down (which most guests cannot do )."150k people have crossed the channel in small boats since 2018. This is not a small number and would be equivalent to large town popping up out of nowhere and we all need to pay for the housing, education, health, food and so on. Surely you can see the impact this rising number has on our economy, our infrastructure and society? All major political parties agree it is a problem and needs to be stopped, Farage is simply more direct in his approach, but straight talking seems to upset those who simply do not like him. However, If you can’t understand the impact, I would thoroughly understand why you have made the comparison you have in your OP, which from reading the replies is only a comparison held by yourself up until now | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg." The relationship that Hitler had with the Jews is materially different to the relationship between Farage and immigrants into Britain. Hitler ultimately (no, not in 1919) went to great lengths to eradicate Jews anywhere he could. Farage is unlikely to chase "immigrants" all over Europe. You are correct that, like many, many politicians, Farage puts the blame for Britain's ills at the feet of immigrants, but the comparison to Hitler is odd. While you can compare anyone to anyone, you should know (not least because people here have pointed out) that any comparison to Hitler will elicit a visceral response and come with a huge amount of baggage - presumably that's why you made it. Instead of reaching for "the most notorious 'scapegoater' in living memory, why not go for comparisons to modern European populists who target immigration? How about Enoch Powell? There are plenty of demagogues other than Hitler who more closely resemble Farage. Whereas parallels may be drawn (because they can be drawn between any two people), it's a poor comparison unless you're also trying to imply more than you're actually letting on, and better comparisons exist. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level
In what way is it scapegoating immigrants to correctly point out the pressures on public services which high immigration brings?
I cannot say immigration does not represent a political issue with pressure on public services. But is not his rhetoric NOT looking at other reasons? If "we" sort immigration out, we won't see a resolution of the issues. Immigration exacerbates the issues, it's not the cause - therefore immigration is scapegoated.
If we reduce immigration we will clearly see less demand for public services and housing, so yes it is a major cause of supply issues."We will have to agree to disagree. If net migration is zero, we will have the same pressures as we have already. Obviously pressures on housing will gradually decrease as homes are built, but even that depends of demographics of the country. Btw the major cause of pressure on health is the ever increasing demographic of elderly with increasing comorbidities | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level "I thought history at O level had been abolished by the time you would have taken it. It certainly wasn't available in the state school I went to and I was a decade before you. Closest we got was "Social Studies". I learned very little history at school and most of that was skewed to the left. Peasants revolt, Tolpuddle Martyrs and the like. Thankfully reading history has been a bit of a hobby of mine for most of my adult life. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
"Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level
In what way is it scapegoating immigrants to correctly point out the pressures on public services which high immigration brings?
I cannot say immigration does not represent a political issue with pressure on public services. But is not his rhetoric NOT looking at other reasons? If "we" sort immigration out, we won't see a resolution of the issues. Immigration exacerbates the issues, it's not the cause - therefore immigration is scapegoated.
If we reduce immigration we will clearly see less demand for public services and housing, so yes it is a major cause of supply issues.
We will have to agree to disagree. If net migration is zero, we will have the same pressures as we have already. Obviously pressures on housing will gradually decrease as homes are built, but even that depends of demographics of the country.
Btw the major cause of pressure on health is the ever increasing demographic of elderly with increasing comorbidities"i thought we lost all the elderly and vulnerable during the pandemic?? Surely theres a few hundred thousend houses now empty? | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens." Jews were by no means the only targets. Most Jews that Hitler killed were killed because they lived in Poland. He had vowed to kill every last Pole for occupying what was once German land. The largest group of immigrants were Roma. Their migratory presence covered Europe and the Near East before the war. This was not solely a Jewish holocaust. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. The relationship that Hitler had with the Jews is materially different to the relationship between Farage and immigrants into Britain. Hitler ultimately (no, not in 1919) went to great lengths to eradicate Jews anywhere he could. Farage is unlikely to chase "immigrants" all over Europe. You are correct that, like many, many politicians, Farage puts the blame for Britain's ills at the feet of immigrants, but the comparison to Hitler is odd. While you can compare anyone to anyone, you should know (not least because people here have pointed out) that any comparison to Hitler will elicit a visceral response and come with a huge amount of baggage - presumably that's why you made it. Instead of reaching for "the most notorious 'scapegoater' in living memory, why not go for comparisons to modern European populists who target immigration? How about Enoch Powell? There are plenty of demagogues other than Hitler who more closely resemble Farage. Whereas parallels may be drawn (because they can be drawn between any two people), it's a poor comparison unless you're also trying to imply more than you're actually letting on, and better comparisons exist. " I like your post
Of course there are better comparisons but to be fair I know more about Hitler than others. In Mein Kampf he shows his disdain for the Jews and began his proactive genocide of the Jews in 1933.
Globally the world could no longer refute the genocide at the end of WWII that had been ongoing for 12 years. However, he was politically active around 8 years before he published his plan/book and another 8 years before enacting it. Where are we going to be in 8 years?
I cannot imagine the Western world permitting another Fuhrer. Since the war we have had various rights emerge in legislation. Which is why the narrow comparison with Hitler (more with his political journey than character) and scapegoating, and the public's acceptance of that.
Farage condemned the fairly recent riots and racist attacks (that TR incited). However, no-one can surely say Farage's rhetoric isn't incitement (I don't mean for attacks... finding it hard to elucidate, brain is saying it's had enough so I'llcome back later).. | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Exactly, maths. Scapegoating a group of people is the comparison not type. Hey I did well in my history O-level
I thought history at O level had been abolished by the time you would have taken it. It certainly wasn't available in the state school I went to and I was a decade before you.
Closest we got was "Social Studies".
I learned very little history at school and most of that was skewed to the left.
Peasants revolt, Tolpuddle Martyrs and the like.
Thankfully reading history has been a bit of a hobby of mine for most of my adult life."You thought wrong. The O-level covered from the Treaty of Versailles to the start of WWII | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Jews were by no means the only targets. Most Jews that Hitler killed were killed because they lived in Poland. He had vowed to kill every last Pole for occupying what was once German land. The largest group of immigrants were Roma. Their migratory presence covered Europe and the Near East before the war. This was not solely a Jewish holocaust." No it was not solely a Jewish holocaust but it was predominantly. The number of Roma killed was miniscule by comparison to Jewish victims. While Polish Jews were the largest single group to say that most were Polish is just wrong. German, Austrian, French, Dutch, Hungarian, Czech and Russian among others were collectively "most". What you say may not be holocaust denial but it is certainly holocaust belittling. | |||
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"no, farage isn't like hitler .... but the political party he is forming is fascist Whatever it’s labelled as it got more votes than Lib Dem or Green. And if the GE was held again today I’d expect Reform on 5+ million votes. If that means 5 million fascists then that’s what it is " quite | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Jews were by no means the only targets. Most Jews that Hitler killed were killed because they lived in Poland. He had vowed to kill every last Pole for occupying what was once German land. The largest group of immigrants were Roma. Their migratory presence covered Europe and the Near East before the war. This was not solely a Jewish holocaust. No it was not solely a Jewish holocaust but it was predominantly. The number of Roma killed was miniscule by comparison to Jewish victims. While Polish Jews were the largest single group to say that most were Polish is just wrong. German, Austrian, French, Dutch, Hungarian, Czech and Russian among others were collectively "most". What you say may not be holocaust denial but it is certainly holocaust belittling. " Half of the 6 million Jews killed were Polish. That’s the official figures. Try tell me exactly what I’ve said to belittle the holocaust. You can’t. I haven’t. | |||
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"can someone tell me what farage has actual done to improve this country, to my mind the only things he does is carp from the touchline like a saturday morning parent , he backs rapists and wifebeaters and billionaires , he has nothing to do with the normal people of this country and hopefully never will do as his policies mean the end of the NHS" Farage’s achievements are centred in his ability to influence public opinion, change political priorities / policies, and be a spokesperson / leader of national events like Brexit. He is a great strategist and influencer whether you like his political view or not, it can't be denied.. He has had a major say in pretty much everything we do today. | |||
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"can someone tell me what farage has actual done to improve this country, to my mind the only things he does is carp from the touchline like a saturday morning parent , he backs rapists and wifebeaters and billionaires , he has nothing to do with the normal people of this country and hopefully never will do as his policies mean the end of the NHS" hes the best of a bad bunch some feel, suppose he highlights the problems some feel our nation needs to solve, and as for the nhs i think its doing a pretty good job of fucking itself up, if it werent for the fact were forced to pay for it it wouldn't be here just because its not paid for at point of transaction means its free healthcare more a buy now lay later at 29.9% apr | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg." Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort." wouldnt that of happened already, maybe time of the brexit vote? | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. " The NHS has been 'systematically destroyed' for at least 50 years now ! | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort." I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. " Dwarfed by 25million overweight and obese uk citizens burdening the nhs with self inflicted conditions | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The NHS has been 'systematically destroyed' for at least 50 years now ! "Not quite 50 years. Health authorities first put registrars above medical staff in hospitals for the first time in the early 80’s. My dad came came home from work that day, took me aside to tell me and said “This is the thin edge of the wedge, mark my words”. He was a smart man. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. Dwarfed by 25million overweight and obese uk citizens burdening the nhs with self inflicted conditions " 👌👌 | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means." Austerity was introduced by the conservative party in response to the financial crisis which was worsened by Labour’s overspending. Ironically (your post ref NHS) a lot of the mismanagement of budget and ultimately the economy was spent on the NHS, through private funded initiatives that began in earnest the privatisation of the NHS but also landed us with so much debt we won't pay the loans until late 2040's. Austerity was controversial, but it stabilised the economy, however we now have a new labour government that looks like it will be making fundamental economic mistakes again, and back to square one we go.... As for Reform and Farage being PM, success will depend on their ability to offer credible policies, not just rhetoric, which again looks like what we have today with Labour and Starmer... Populist? Of course he is and he will thrive on voter dissatisfaction, is popularity is climbing through the poor condition of our main 2 parties. However, comparing Farage to Hitler is a remarkably naive analogy. His straight talking approach and rising popularity do not equate to fascism, and does not make Reform a fascist party. These comparisons oversimplify purposefully, it provides ammunition for people to grab onto and believe in because they "feel" it is right. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means. Austerity was introduced by the conservative party in response to the financial crisis which was worsened by Labour’s overspending. Ironically (your post ref NHS) a lot of the mismanagement of budget and ultimately the economy was spent on the NHS, through private funded initiatives that began in earnest the privatisation of the NHS but also landed us with so much debt we won't pay the loans until late 2040's. Austerity was controversial, but it stabilised the economy, however we now have a new labour government that looks like it will be making fundamental economic mistakes again, and back to square one we go.... As for Reform and Farage being PM, success will depend on their ability to offer credible policies, not just rhetoric, which again looks like what we have today with Labour and Starmer... Populist? Of course he is and he will thrive on voter dissatisfaction, is popularity is climbing through the poor condition of our main 2 parties. However, comparing Farage to Hitler is a remarkably naive analogy. His straight talking approach and rising popularity do not equate to fascism, and does not make Reform a fascist party. These comparisons oversimplify purposefully, it provides ammunition for people to grab onto and believe in because they "feel" it is right. " Austerity was introduced to the world by a guy called Alan Greenspan in 2006. It was his last annual statement for the American Federal Bank. As usual all of the major financial traders and policy makers were holding their breath when he stated “it would be to the benefit of the worlds corporations if the populations of the world felt more insecure”. That’s verbatim. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means. Austerity was introduced by the conservative party in response to the financial crisis which was worsened by Labour’s overspending. Ironically (your post ref NHS) a lot of the mismanagement of budget and ultimately the economy was spent on the NHS, through private funded initiatives that began in earnest the privatisation of the NHS but also landed us with so much debt we won't pay the loans until late 2040's. Austerity was controversial, but it stabilised the economy, however we now have a new labour government that looks like it will be making fundamental economic mistakes again, and back to square one we go.... As for Reform and Farage being PM, success will depend on their ability to offer credible policies, not just rhetoric, which again looks like what we have today with Labour and Starmer... Populist? Of course he is and he will thrive on voter dissatisfaction, is popularity is climbing through the poor condition of our main 2 parties. However, comparing Farage to Hitler is a remarkably naive analogy. His straight talking approach and rising popularity do not equate to fascism, and does not make Reform a fascist party. These comparisons oversimplify purposefully, it provides ammunition for people to grab onto and believe in because they "feel" it is right. Austerity was introduced to the world by a guy called Alan Greenspan in 2006. It was his last annual statement for the American Federal Bank. As usual all of the major financial traders and policy makers were holding their breath when he stated “it would be to the benefit of the worlds corporations if the populations of the world felt more insecure”. That’s verbatim." Greenspan’s focus was global corporate dynamics, rather than national economic policies.... As I said, UK austerity was introduced specifically to address debt and stabilise the economy post financial crisis and economic mismanagement, not creating "insecurity" as per Greenspan comments on corporate mindset. That said, the perception of "insecurity" played its role in the ability to grab public support to oppose austerity measures, seems to have worked a treat. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means. Austerity was introduced by the conservative party in response to the financial crisis which was worsened by Labour’s overspending. Ironically (your post ref NHS) a lot of the mismanagement of budget and ultimately the economy was spent on the NHS, through private funded initiatives that began in earnest the privatisation of the NHS but also landed us with so much debt we won't pay the loans until late 2040's. Austerity was controversial, but it stabilised the economy, however we now have a new labour government that looks like it will be making fundamental economic mistakes again, and back to square one we go.... As for Reform and Farage being PM, success will depend on their ability to offer credible policies, not just rhetoric, which again looks like what we have today with Labour and Starmer... Populist? Of course he is and he will thrive on voter dissatisfaction, is popularity is climbing through the poor condition of our main 2 parties. However, comparing Farage to Hitler is a remarkably naive analogy. His straight talking approach and rising popularity do not equate to fascism, and does not make Reform a fascist party. These comparisons oversimplify purposefully, it provides ammunition for people to grab onto and believe in because they "feel" it is right. Austerity was introduced to the world by a guy called Alan Greenspan in 2006. It was his last annual statement for the American Federal Bank. As usual all of the major financial traders and policy makers were holding their breath when he stated “it would be to the benefit of the worlds corporations if the populations of the world felt more insecure”. That’s verbatim. Greenspan’s focus was global corporate dynamics, rather than national economic policies.... As I said, UK austerity was introduced specifically to address debt and stabilise the economy post financial crisis and economic mismanagement, not creating "insecurity" as per Greenspan comments on corporate mindset. That said, the perception of "insecurity" played its role in the ability to grab public support to oppose austerity measures, seems to have worked a treat. " Austerity is globalist economic policy handed down to cuckolded states to deploy. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. There are many political leaders who have used scapegoating tactics without engaging in atrocities, why the comparison to Hitler? following on, what specific statements or actions from Farage lead you to believe he is scapegoating immigrants? There were no atrocities in 1919 when Hitler began his political journey. The analogy is due to the national unrest that seems to be appearing in social media incited by gobshites like Musk and TR. Whereas Farage articulates in a more subtle way - the immigrants putting pressure on hospital waiting lists, increasing homelessness and so on (watch the prog). He is a good orator. Hitler was an excellent orator (again think more in the early years - only as he got more and more power did he become more extreme). One point at a time, I guess
I don't think he is referencing all immigrants, do you think he is?
I covered both points
As for percentage of immigrants or types, he didn't elaborate. I believe he was talking generically ie any/all/most. There was no thesis attached
I'm afraid this where 99% of people who go down this rabbit hole, misunderstand he referring to illegal entry and not legitimate immigration.
If you look into this, you will see that legal immigration, those who qualify for visa's and work pay for healthcare and have a place to stay
I have to disagree. I believe Farage knows exactly what he's stating. IE our opinions differ. He may imply illegal immigrants but those smaller numbers would not have the drastic effects on the list he mentioned.
He knows exactly what he is saying with all its implications. Listen to his chat about Musk, he is meticulous about not insulting Musk or condemn what Musk says, even to the point of shouting LK down (which most guests cannot do ).
150k people have crossed the channel in small boats since 2018.
This is not a small number and would be equivalent to large town popping up out of nowhere and we all need to pay for the housing, education, health, food and so on.
Surely you can see the impact this rising number has on our economy, our infrastructure and society? All major political parties agree it is a problem and needs to be stopped, Farage is simply more direct in his approach, but straight talking seems to upset those who simply do not like him.
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself "Yeah I find you argumentative | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means. Austerity was introduced by the conservative party in response to the financial crisis which was worsened by Labour’s overspending. Ironically (your post ref NHS) a lot of the mismanagement of budget and ultimately the economy was spent on the NHS, through private funded initiatives that began in earnest the privatisation of the NHS but also landed us with so much debt we won't pay the loans until late 2040's. Austerity was controversial, but it stabilised the economy, however we now have a new labour government that looks like it will be making fundamental economic mistakes again, and back to square one we go.... As for Reform and Farage being PM, success will depend on their ability to offer credible policies, not just rhetoric, which again looks like what we have today with Labour and Starmer... Populist? Of course he is and he will thrive on voter dissatisfaction, is popularity is climbing through the poor condition of our main 2 parties. However, comparing Farage to Hitler is a remarkably naive analogy. His straight talking approach and rising popularity do not equate to fascism, and does not make Reform a fascist party. These comparisons oversimplify purposefully, it provides ammunition for people to grab onto and believe in because they "feel" it is right. Austerity was introduced to the world by a guy called Alan Greenspan in 2006. It was his last annual statement for the American Federal Bank. As usual all of the major financial traders and policy makers were holding their breath when he stated “it would be to the benefit of the worlds corporations if the populations of the world felt more insecure”. That’s verbatim. Greenspan’s focus was global corporate dynamics, rather than national economic policies.... As I said, UK austerity was introduced specifically to address debt and stabilise the economy post financial crisis and economic mismanagement, not creating "insecurity" as per Greenspan comments on corporate mindset. That said, the perception of "insecurity" played its role in the ability to grab public support to oppose austerity measures, seems to have worked a treat. Austerity is globalist economic policy handed down to cuckolded states to deploy." So what does a government do if they defaulted on their loans? Like what happened in Argentina? You know know there are limits to how much you can borrow right? | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔" No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? | |||
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"Farage's views on limiting immigration would have been mainstream and held by both major parties until very recently. Legal migration of over 1m a year is obviously putting unsustainable pressure on housing and public services, that's just maths, not politics. Btw Hitler did not target immigrants. The Jewish community in Germany was very well settled, integrated and successful - they were German citizens. Jews were by no means the only targets. Most Jews that Hitler killed were killed because they lived in Poland. He had vowed to kill every last Pole for occupying what was once German land. The largest group of immigrants were Roma. Their migratory presence covered Europe and the Near East before the war. This was not solely a Jewish holocaust." Jews were the largest group of undesirables. | |||
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"Hilter and the holcaust isnt something I've studied or looked at to form a solid opinion but are all these facts based on books and other people interpretations? Which based on things like the wars weve fought because someone has weapons off mass destruction which im guessing is a nick name for opiates and then wars on terroism even though us and usa killed more innocent survilians in one week then the taliban ect have combined i struggle to beleive everything wrote in a history book " There are film recordings of those people freed from the concentration camps. Fims and photos of mass graves. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. " The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. | |||
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"Hilter and the holcaust isnt something I've studied or looked at to form a solid opinion but are all these facts based on books and other people interpretations? Which based on things like the wars weve fought because someone has weapons off mass destruction which im guessing is a nick name for opiates and then wars on terroism even though us and usa killed more innocent survilians in one week then the taliban ect have combined i struggle to beleive everything wrote in a history book There are film recordings of those people freed from the concentration camps. Fims and photos of mass graves." thanks i might spend some time over winter having a good read up like i said i dont really know too much about it | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses." Cheers Amelie, I didn’t know it was that bad. Jeez, we’re fucked. Do we need to start building guillotines? | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort. I’m affraid he may be the next PM. We have been on this trajectory since austerity was introduced. Incidentally Hitler couldn’t have gained popularity and made Jews the threat without post Great War sanctions which were austerity by other means." Yeah the reparations (treaty of versailles) and the Great Depression. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses." I thought this thread was about Hitler ? | |||
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"Look what you started Amelie."
But much misinterpreted. | |||
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"Hilter and the holcaust isnt something I've studied or looked at to form a solid opinion but are all these facts based on books and other people interpretations? Which based on things like the wars weve fought because someone has weapons off mass destruction which im guessing is a nick name for opiates and then wars on terroism even though us and usa killed more innocent survilians in one week then the taliban ect have combined i struggle to beleive everything wrote in a history book There are film recordings of those people freed from the concentration camps. Fims and photos of mass graves.thanks i might spend some time over winter having a good read up like i said i dont really know too much about it " Look for documentaries with actual footage. It was and continues to be heartbreaking. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative "Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. Cheers Amelie, I didn’t know it was that bad. Jeez, we’re fucked. Do we need to start building guillotines? " Before the leeching of nurses from red countries we were in excess of 46,000 nurse vacancies. We've pilfered nurses for decades. | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? " The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? " An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? " Threads can go off on tangents. No-one owns them. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make "Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is.... | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. " But what's that got to do with Hitler ? | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is...."Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time? | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria " Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? Threads can go off on tangents. No-one owns them." Didn't you say this to another poster: " In other words your post is not relevant to my OP? " | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria " Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?"What is the topic of this thread please, I'm completely lost. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?"i think somw people have a view or belief and aren't sometimes open minded enough to accept they could be people with compleatly opposite views with as much credability as there own beleifs | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty."that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?"You view it as attacking now, and yet it was arguing before. I think it'd be better to ignore each other. | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty."and vickys mother were german | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?
You view it as attacking now, and yet it was arguing before. I think it'd be better to ignore each other. "Yeah, it was arguing until you decided to get personal, then it became attacking. You're free not to engage if you don't want to engage with my views. | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?
What is the topic of this thread please, I'm completely lost. "Something about Farage being Hitler. | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are "We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we? | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?"well my old mans called adam and his bird were called eve | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are "But NOT nazi. Victoria, with her large brood, was at one time the mother/grandmother of European royalty. They always intermarried. Vicky and Al had the same grandparents. Less Xmas pressies to buy. | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?"We could go back to Adam and Eve  | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?well my old mans called adam and his bird were called eve "You beat me to it. High five  | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?
We could go back to Adam and Eve "We could indeed. But if not, where to draw the line? The truth is I'm afraid we're a mongrel race, even our language is a hotchpotch of German and French. The racial purity idea is a fallacy. | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?"No, not really. Does the name Boudicca ring any bells? Ancient Britons? Atrebates, Catuvellauni, Iceni? | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?
What is the topic of this thread please, I'm completely lost. "It began as a weak analogy of Farage and Hitler and an unconvincing theory that the OP wanted to know if was fair to make. Once the answers came in, it evolved into elaborate claims and boom the original topic dissolved into Adam and Eve, I think.  | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. It isn't really, you conflated Greenspan's comments about creating an economic environment favourable to corporations and global competitiveness, not directly about national austerity measures, you actually quoted "corporations". You shoehorned it in to prove a point about Hitler taking power through "all but in name austerity" which as you point out was not austerity. " I don’t care that you can’t see the similarities. My opinions are made on much broader appreciation of the subject than I can apply to a forum post. If you can’t see the trajectory we’ve been travelling for the last 20 years, how can you see where we’re going. Nothing is accidental. Planning is made in longer cycles than the election cycle. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. Cheers Amelie, I didn’t know it was that bad. Jeez, we’re fucked. Do we need to start building guillotines? " No. The infirm will die from lack of medical care by themselves. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. It isn't really, you conflated Greenspan's comments about creating an economic environment favourable to corporations and global competitiveness, not directly about national austerity measures, you actually quoted "corporations". You shoehorned it in to prove a point about Hitler taking power through "all but in name austerity" which as you point out was not austerity. I don’t care that you can’t see the similarities. My opinions are made on much broader appreciation of the subject than I can apply to a forum post. If you can’t see the trajectory we’ve been travelling for the last 20 years, how can you see where we’re going. Nothing is accidental. Planning is made in longer cycles than the election cycle." You may have a broader perspective, but the issue here is that you’re conflating different concepts to support a narrative. Greenspan’s remarks were focused on global corporate dynamics, not national austerity or Hitler’s rise to power. As for longterm trajectories, I agree that planning often extends beyond election cycles, but drawing such broad comparisons requires concrete evidence. I’ve presented hard facts regarding Greenspan, austerity, and the who and the why behind it. Returning to the original question of the thread whether the analogy between Farage and Hitler is fair, I maintain that it is clearly not. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too.best get my natural remedies book out 😂 The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. Cheers Amelie, I didn’t know it was that bad. Jeez, we’re fucked. Do we need to start building guillotines? No. The infirm will die from lack of medical care by themselves." | |||
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"Austerity is what happens when you spend beyond your means. There is no such thing as free lunch. If you keep borrowing and spending, there reaches a point when you can't borrow anymore. Why would anyone lend you money if you can't pay it back? If a country reaches that point, austerity will be forced whether the government likes it or not because there is no money to spend. To avoid that, governments use austerity before the country reaches that point if they realise that the budget isn't balanced so that they have better control over the situation. Saying that's somehow related to fascism is getting into baseless conspiracy theory territory." Go back to school, you have no understanding of fiat economics. Learn the difference between currency and money for a start. | |||
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"Austerity is what happens when you spend beyond your means. There is no such thing as free lunch. If you keep borrowing and spending, there reaches a point when you can't borrow anymore. Why would anyone lend you money if you can't pay it back? If a country reaches that point, austerity will be forced whether the government likes it or not because there is no money to spend. To avoid that, governments use austerity before the country reaches that point if they realise that the budget isn't balanced so that they have better control over the situation. Saying that's somehow related to fascism is getting into baseless conspiracy theory territory. Go back to school, you have no understanding of fiat economics. Learn the difference between currency and money for a start." one is a value and one is the way of trading or paying that value | |||
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"Austerity is what happens when you spend beyond your means. There is no such thing as free lunch. If you keep borrowing and spending, there reaches a point when you can't borrow anymore. Why would anyone lend you money if you can't pay it back? If a country reaches that point, austerity will be forced whether the government likes it or not because there is no money to spend. To avoid that, governments use austerity before the country reaches that point if they realise that the budget isn't balanced so that they have better control over the situation. Saying that's somehow related to fascism is getting into baseless conspiracy theory territory. Go back to school, you have no understanding of fiat economics. Learn the difference between currency and money for a start." It's usally people who are incapable of making a reasoned argument that make comments like these. Do you have anything to say about what Argentina should have done after defaulting on loans? Borrow more? | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg." Although their tactics of scapegoating minorities are similar, and some of Farage's supporters are overtly fascist and racist. They are completely different, Farage only cares about money and doesn't give a shit about anyone, and isn't driven by morals. Hitler had his fucked up ideals and twisted morals. Totally different motivations. | |||
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"Austerity is what happens when you spend beyond your means. There is no such thing as free lunch. If you keep borrowing and spending, there reaches a point when you can't borrow anymore. Why would anyone lend you money if you can't pay it back? If a country reaches that point, austerity will be forced whether the government likes it or not because there is no money to spend. To avoid that, governments use austerity before the country reaches that point if they realise that the budget isn't balanced so that they have better control over the situation. Saying that's somehow related to fascism is getting into baseless conspiracy theory territory. Go back to school, you have no understanding of fiat economics. Learn the difference between currency and money for a start. It's usally people who are incapable of making a reasoned argument that make comments like these. Do you have anything to say about what Argentina should have done after defaulting on loans? Borrow more?" A reasoned argument would be a lecture in the mechanics of fiat currency and fractional banking. I’m not doing that typing on my phone. If I did the punchline money doesn’t exist if it’s not directly fixed to a tangible commodity. Now, the idea of money is just for us, the plebs. And your economic model of a household is a well shared fallacy. It worked with gold linked money. If an individual, or nation produced more than it consumed, they or it would prosper. Now because their is always more debt than currency that isn’t enough, you’re on a cycle of accelerating debt. Add to that, the government holds our credit card which they go on a bender with. Enriching boys from the club and covering the bill for foreign wars. Argentina I’ve got covered. My thumbs need a rest. Sorry, I was blunt earlier. I’ve said the same things myself many times until someone explained why I was wrong. | |||
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"Austerity is what happens when you spend beyond your means. There is no such thing as free lunch. If you keep borrowing and spending, there reaches a point when you can't borrow anymore. Why would anyone lend you money if you can't pay it back? If a country reaches that point, austerity will be forced whether the government likes it or not because there is no money to spend. To avoid that, governments use austerity before the country reaches that point if they realise that the budget isn't balanced so that they have better control over the situation. Saying that's somehow related to fascism is getting into baseless conspiracy theory territory. Go back to school, you have no understanding of fiat economics. " This is a wild thread. Now the topic is Italian cars !🇮🇹🚙 | |||
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" Do you have anything to say about what Argentina should have done after defaulting on loans? Borrow more? A reasoned argument would be a lecture in the mechanics of fiat currency and fractional banking. I’m not doing that typing on my phone. If I did the punchline money doesn’t exist if it’s not directly fixed to a tangible commodity. Now, the idea of money is just for us, the plebs. And your economic model of a household is a well shared fallacy. It worked with gold linked money. If an individual, or nation produced more than it consumed, they or it would prosper. Now because their is always more debt than currency that isn’t enough, you’re on a cycle of accelerating debt. Add to that, the government holds our credit card which they go on a bender with. Enriching boys from the club and covering the bill for foreign wars. " Have you taken a look at government spending in UK? Defence spending is much lower than most other categories. And the credit card you talk about doesn't have infinite limits. Who will keep giving the government money if they default? " Argentina I’ve got covered. My thumbs need a rest. " This is important. A country that defaulted on its debts and hence lost its borrowing power. Should they have avoided austerity because it's apparently a fascist thing to do? | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?
We could go back to Adam and Eve
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?
No, not really. Does the name Boudicca ring any bells? Ancient Britons? Atrebates, Catuvellauni, Iceni?"You cannot go back further than Adam and Eve . Unless the cheddar man is older | |||
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"Oh how dramatic. You don't want to join in with the grown ups debate?
Most grown ups I know wouldn't go around comparing people to Hitler
You're only proving you haven't read/understood the premise of the thread. You're not alone. And I totally get people think Hitler didn't have an earlier political life but was born the Fuhrer, the monster
Are you denying the comparison that you made?
Let me give you a little tip, you've already confirmed the comparison so you'd look a bit foolish to deny it now.
Can you actually read ALL of the first post? It is clear I warned people not to view the Hitler comparison as Hitler in 1939. And I've elaborated further in the post. I haven't denied anything.
But you do you
You asked whether it was an unfair comparison, that was a question.
You then argue with every single person who has a differing view to you.
Personally I think the comparison is dramatic.
If you don't want anyone to answer your questions, don't ask them. Don't be shitty when people don't agree with you, it doesn't help for rational debate.
So, I argue, you debate? I see .
So I'm bad for wanting a comparison with a younger Hitler but I'm wrong in that?
I see
Imagine comparing about people not reading what is written
You're language is much more akin to argument than it is debate. Just see your very first reply and then the subsequent ones to myself
Yeah I find you argumentative
Of course you do, that's why you spend your time attacking me instead of engaging with the points I make
Get attacked a lot do you? And the common denominator is....
Only by you
Why don't we try to stay on topic instead of getting personal all the time?
What is the topic of this thread please, I'm completely lost.
It began as a weak analogy of Farage and Hitler and an unconvincing theory that the OP wanted to know if was fair to make. Once the answers came in, it evolved into elaborate claims and boom the original topic dissolved into Adam and Eve, I think. "Responses is a better term .
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Although their tactics of scapegoating minorities are similar, and some of Farage's supporters are overtly fascist and racist. They are completely different, Farage only cares about money and doesn't give a shit about anyone, and isn't driven by morals. Hitler had his fucked up ideals and twisted morals. Totally different motivations." I didn't consider motivation. Fortunately due to human rights and the Equality Act, there should be no monster Fuhrer mark two. I had thought Hitler probably got worse following 1933 when he became Chancellor, as power corrupts. And wondered what's the worst that could happen if we got a corrupt PM (much much more than we've seen in this millenium). | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. It isn't really, you conflated Greenspan's comments about creating an economic environment favourable to corporations and global competitiveness, not directly about national austerity measures, you actually quoted "corporations". You shoehorned it in to prove a point about Hitler taking power through "all but in name austerity" which as you point out was not austerity. I don’t care that you can’t see the similarities. My opinions are made on much broader appreciation of the subject than I can apply to a forum post. If you can’t see the trajectory we’ve been travelling for the last 20 years, how can you see where we’re going. Nothing is accidental. Planning is made in longer cycles than the election cycle. You may have a broader perspective, but the issue here is that you’re conflating different concepts to support a narrative. Greenspan’s remarks were focused on global corporate dynamics, not national austerity or Hitler’s rise to power. As for longterm trajectories, I agree that planning often extends beyond election cycles, but drawing such broad comparisons requires concrete evidence. I’ve presented hard facts regarding Greenspan, austerity, and the who and the why behind it. Returning to the original question of the thread whether the analogy between Farage and Hitler is fair, I maintain that it is clearly not. Ok I give up, neither scapegoated anyone. Neither was an effective political orator and consequently had mass followers. "As mentioned a number of times by more than myself, politicians of all parties scapegoat, you have simply chosen the wrong person to compare Farage to. Reading your op, I’m picking up on the fact that you mentioned Farage said 2025 was the year the Reform becomes a party, is this the reason for the thread? A little worry that as you say he is a great speaker and he might start making ground? | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. It isn't really, you conflated Greenspan's comments about creating an economic environment favourable to corporations and global competitiveness, not directly about national austerity measures, you actually quoted "corporations". You shoehorned it in to prove a point about Hitler taking power through "all but in name austerity" which as you point out was not austerity. I don’t care that you can’t see the similarities. My opinions are made on much broader appreciation of the subject than I can apply to a forum post. If you can’t see the trajectory we’ve been travelling for the last 20 years, how can you see where we’re going. Nothing is accidental. Planning is made in longer cycles than the election cycle. You may have a broader perspective, but the issue here is that you’re conflating different concepts to support a narrative. Greenspan’s remarks were focused on global corporate dynamics, not national austerity or Hitler’s rise to power. As for longterm trajectories, I agree that planning often extends beyond election cycles, but drawing such broad comparisons requires concrete evidence. I’ve presented hard facts regarding Greenspan, austerity, and the who and the why behind it. Returning to the original question of the thread whether the analogy between Farage and Hitler is fair, I maintain that it is clearly not. Ok I give up, neither scapegoated anyone. Neither was an effective political orator and consequently had mass followers.
As mentioned a number of times by more than myself, politicians of all parties scapegoat, you have simply chosen the wrong person to compare Farage to.
Reading your op, I’m picking up on the fact that you mentioned Farage said 2025 was the year the Reform becomes a party, is this the reason for the thread? A little worry that as you say he is a great speaker and he might start making ground? "I actually like listening to him. Someone else said he runs rings around other politicians because the way he speaks, he doesn't patronise. Ooh the number of Tory politicians I've wanted to bitch slap because of their lies and patronisation leading up to the GE . | |||
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"Arent are very own royal family nazi descendants 👀with a video of queen Elizabeth doing the salute as a young girl on a family video 🤔 No they are descendants of queen Victoria. Perhaps you're alluding to great uncle abdicator Duke of Windsor? The mother of Queen Elizabeth II was British, so she was only partly of German descent — even if she did display some stereotypical German virtues throughout her life, including discipline and a sense of duty. Her husband Philip, however, had predominantly German ancestors and spoke fluent German. In 1947, he became a British citizen and, shortly before his marriage to Elizabeth, relinquished his German title of nobility and called himself only "Mountbatten." Their eldest son, the new King Charles III, has a bloodline made up of roughly half German ancestors. seems they have very strong german bloodlines dating back to before queen vicoria Philip was also related to vicky. Vicky wasn't a nazi. So what is your point? You seem to be proving mine
Oh and Philip belonged to Greek royalty.that the bloodline s come from german bloodlines not all but generally they are
We're all descended from the Angles and Saxons in North Germany aren't we?
No, not really. Does the name Boudicca ring any bells? Ancient Britons? Atrebates, Catuvellauni, Iceni?"Of course, Picts, Celts, Romans, but nonetheless the gene pool is overwhelmingly Anglo Saxon and our language is not much more then street German. | |||
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"The NHS is being systematically destroyed. The government has 30,000 staff vacancies and for the first time, nurses who have just qualified are being told there are no applications being taken. At the busiest time of the year too. The 30,000 vacancies are nurse vacancies. There are more vacancies than just nurses. I thought this thread was about Hitler ? An example of successive governments using austerity to nurture extremism came up. It’s relevant to the earlier part of the thread. It isn't really, you conflated Greenspan's comments about creating an economic environment favourable to corporations and global competitiveness, not directly about national austerity measures, you actually quoted "corporations". You shoehorned it in to prove a point about Hitler taking power through "all but in name austerity" which as you point out was not austerity. I don’t care that you can’t see the similarities. My opinions are made on much broader appreciation of the subject than I can apply to a forum post. If you can’t see the trajectory we’ve been travelling for the last 20 years, how can you see where we’re going. Nothing is accidental. Planning is made in longer cycles than the election cycle. You may have a broader perspective, but the issue here is that you’re conflating different concepts to support a narrative. Greenspan’s remarks were focused on global corporate dynamics, not national austerity or Hitler’s rise to power. As for longterm trajectories, I agree that planning often extends beyond election cycles, but drawing such broad comparisons requires concrete evidence. I’ve presented hard facts regarding Greenspan, austerity, and the who and the why behind it. Returning to the original question of the thread whether the analogy between Farage and Hitler is fair, I maintain that it is clearly not. Ok I give up, neither scapegoated anyone. Neither was an effective political orator and consequently had mass followers.
As mentioned a number of times by more than myself, politicians of all parties scapegoat, you have simply chosen the wrong person to compare Farage to.
Reading your op, I’m picking up on the fact that you mentioned Farage said 2025 was the year the Reform becomes a party, is this the reason for the thread? A little worry that as you say he is a great speaker and he might start making ground?
I actually like listening to him. Someone else said he runs rings around other politicians because the way he speaks, he doesn't patronise. Ooh the number of Tory politicians I've wanted to bitch slap because of their lies and patronisation leading up to the GE . "Unfortunately our politicians sanitise their responses, something Farage never seems to do. This is why he can close people down, because he speaks his mind, meaning he doesn’t need to scramble around trying to dodge a question and giving himself breathing space and consistency. This approach is not liked and often causes the left wing to go into meltdown not only through his views but his directness, often leading to him being misquoted and compared to fascists
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"I respect logic, yours is poor, let me help you out. The only way I belittled the holocaust is if you believe a Roma life is worth less than a Jews life. Think about that." I've thought about it. Using a small group to deflect away from a much larger group is belittling the larger group. End. | |||
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" When the real fascists turn up no-one will notice or even care. the fascists have turned up ... it's just you choose to deny it for some bizarre reason known only to you" Really? You should buy a dictionary. From the Cambridge English dictionary. "Fascism (Noun) a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control, and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed" Apart from the proud of country bit I see nothing else that would apply to Reform. However you could be right when it comes to state control and abolishing opposition (albeit by gerrymandering). That would apply to the Labour party, so maybe the fascists have really turned up. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort.wouldnt that of happened already, maybe time of the brexit vote? " I do not really believe so, Leaving Europe was never thought to be a thing the British people would vote us out of. So he wasn't really a threat, now labour are in power he still isn't nearing the next election when our vote counts to them they will see him off. | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort.wouldnt that of happened already, maybe time of the brexit vote? I do not really believe so, Leaving Europe was never thought to be a thing the British people would vote us out of. So he wasn't really a threat, now labour are in power he still isn't nearing the next election when our vote counts to them they will see him off." i think labour will do a very fine job of promoting ukip and farage over the next few years so time will tell | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg. Reform are going nowhere, this is a distraction from political sh1t. When GE comes MSM will destroy and bury reform in scandal of some sort.wouldnt that of happened already, maybe time of the brexit vote? I do not really believe so, Leaving Europe was never thought to be a thing the British people would vote us out of. So he wasn't really a threat, now labour are in power he still isn't nearing the next election when our vote counts to them they will see him off.i think labour will do a very fine job of promoting ukip and farage over the next few years so time will tell" I disagree reform I am unsure how many name changes they have had due to the reveal of racists in their rank, but now they are reform pushing the same old with no substance poking a finger in to peoples hopes and destroying those hopes by taking hope away. The only way I would be brought back to the ballot box is if reform had a chance at government, which will never happen as they are known and always will be know as a party sorry LTD that has its roots buried in racism. | |||
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"Most UK political parties have unsavoury characters and various members of various parties have said unsavoury things, I guess it's the nature of politics. Has labours Ricky Jones come before a judge yet for his incendiary and threatening remarks. " Jan 20th in court for trial, surprised to read that he is currently on remand in prison. | |||
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience." I guess you could ask yourself if your analogy could be seen as provocative as a far right wing analogy about a left wing political leader?? | |||
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience. I guess you could ask yourself if your analogy could be seen as provocative as a far right wing analogy about a left wing political leader?? " Reform is left wing? You are on a par with my favourite comedian. Where are you playing? | |||
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience. I guess you could ask yourself if your analogy could be seen as provocative as a far right wing analogy about a left wing political leader?? Reform is left wing? You are on a par with my favourite comedian. Where are you playing? "I'm not sure I said that?? I'm saying could your analogy be compared to right wing analogies about left wing politicians or people? | |||
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience. I guess you could ask yourself if your analogy could be seen as provocative as a far right wing analogy about a left wing political leader?? Reform is left wing? You are on a par with my favourite comedian. Where are you playing?
I'm not sure I said that?? I'm saying could your analogy be compared to right wing analogies about left wing politicians or people?
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience. I guess you could ask yourself if your analogy could be seen as provocative as a far right wing analogy about a left wing political leader?? Reform is left wing? You are on a par with my favourite comedian. Where are you playing?
I'm not sure I said that?? I'm saying could your analogy be compared to right wing analogies about left wing politicians or people?
Dunno, could it?
And to repeat myself/elaborate, the scary thing is how the public is affected by these politicians musings."Yes, being on your side of the fence doesn't give you a pass, just as being on the opposite side of the fence doesn't either. I think the public are far more influenced by the musings of conspiracy theories and wild social media accusations than the politicians themselves. Politicians are at least held to rules of conduct and scrutiny, while the public operates without those same checks and balances | |||
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"Scary but Farage says what the people think and then scapegoats the immigrants. This happened with Hitler who scapegoated the Jews. Unfair analogy? Hitler didn't just arrive on the scene in 1939! 2025 is the year Reform is going to make itself into a "party". Paraphrasing Farage's words to Laura Kuensberg." Yes it's unfair. Hitler's early days in politics involved criminal sctivities, and although used others as scapegoats they were German citizens not just Jews but others too. Farage has cut through the wokery crap that's taken over and used to shut down genuine debate and common sense actions being prevented such as the "rape gang scandal" that's allowed to exist and continue thanks to wokery and fear of being labelled racist. | |||
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"so another of nutty nige's race rioters has been given 7½ years in gaol today .... a hitler publication was found when his home was searched .... and morons still post to say that the fascists haven't turned up yet "Got a link for this? | |||
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"so another of nutty nige's race rioters has been given 7½ years in gaol today .... a hitler publication was found when his home was searched .... and morons still post to say that the fascists haven't turned up yet "someone found a jihad manual in a young boys house but apperantly he were a nice welsh choir boy | |||
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience. I guess you could ask yourself if your analogy could be seen as provocative as a far right wing analogy about a left wing political leader?? Reform is left wing? You are on a par with my favourite comedian. Where are you playing?
I'm not sure I said that?? I'm saying could your analogy be compared to right wing analogies about left wing politicians or people?
Dunno, could it?
And to repeat myself/elaborate, the scary thing is how the public is affected by these politicians musings.
Yes, being on your side of the fence doesn't give you a pass, just as being on the opposite side of the fence doesn't either.
I think the public are far more influenced by the musings of conspiracy theories and wild social media accusations than the politicians themselves.
Politicians are supposedly held to rules of conduct and scrutiny, while the public operates without those same checks and balances"FTFY | |||
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"I respect logic, yours is poor, let me help you out. The only way I belittled the holocaust is if you believe a Roma life is worth less than a Jews life. Think about that. I've thought about it. Using a small group to deflect away from a much larger group is belittling the larger group. End." They are all one group. The victims of one holocaust. Now make your last statement make sense. | |||
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"A very dangerous thread this .... But it proves a point, manipulative speech that is clearly aimed at certain factions will always engage certain elements... How is the thread dangerous? It has a very limited audience." I’d like to add to Amilees comment. This is an open forum not the dark web and we are all adults. It’s not dangerous, I wouldn’t even describe it as hazourous. This place is the perfect place to discuss this where we can all be heard and no algorithm is controlling what I see to be public opinion. Chatting here wipes the floor with facecloth. | |||
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"so another of nutty nige's race rioters has been given 7½ years in gaol today .... a hitler publication was found when his home was searched .... and morons still post to say that the fascists haven't turned up yet "What is a hitler publication, mein Kampf? If so this pub can be bought in just about any book store. | |||
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