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"Trump is right on this. Europe should be able to defend itself.
It was reported a couple of weeks ago that UK military could survive six months of war. "
I can believe that, and we fund our military better than most European countries. |
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"Trump is right on this. Europe should be able to defend itself.
It was reported a couple of weeks ago that UK military could survive six months of war. "
six months I'd be surprised if we would last 6 weeks less than 100,000 personel and we have spent nearly the last 3 years giving equipment away to Ukraine for a lost cause |
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"Trump is right on this. Europe should be able to defend itself."
Agreed, collectively the west and NATO took it's eyes off the ball in thinking the cold war ended in 89..
We shouldn't be over reliant on the States to carry the biggest burden.. |
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"Ireland has never invaded,bombed starved any people,
But yes as a young nation now finding its feet after 800 years of English suppression it should contribute to nato"
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in it's administration and policing. Yes it's a moot point how willing the Irish were in all that, but you can't just wash your hands of it completely. |
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"Ireland has never invaded,bombed starved any people,
But yes as a young nation now finding its feet after 800 years of English suppression it should contribute to nato
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in it's administration and policing. Yes it's a moot point how willing the Irish were in all that, but you can't just wash your hands of it completely."
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"Ireland has never invaded,bombed starved any people,
But yes as a young nation now finding its feet after 800 years of English suppression it should contribute to nato"
I guess the IRA were Swedish. |
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You obviously don't know how much our people suffered, only 70 yrs ago in Northern Ireland part of UK,a peaceful civil march looking for equal rights 20 people were murdered by the British army, that's what you got when you didn't bow to the crown,1 atrocity of 800 yrs |
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"Ireland has never invaded,bombed starved any people,
But yes as a young nation now finding its feet after 800 years of English suppression it should contribute to nato
I guess the IRA were Swedish."
Thankfully not |
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"You obviously don't know how much our people suffered, only 70 yrs ago in Northern Ireland part of UK,a peaceful civil march looking for equal rights 20 people were murdered by the British army, that's what you got when you didn't bow to the crown,1 atrocity of 800 yrs"
Let's not forget ballymurphry same para regiment. |
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I've never understood why there is not an EU army. All members of the EU pay in to a pot for a single EU-wide army.
Instead, each nation has to fund its own national army, and then contribute in to NATO as well.
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"You obviously don't know how much our people suffered, only 70 yrs ago in Northern Ireland part of UK,a peaceful civil march looking for equal rights 20 people were murdered by the British army, that's what you got when you didn't bow to the crown,1 atrocity of 800 yrs
Let's not forget ballymurphry same para regiment."
Yeah, "let's not forget ....blah, blah, blah". Both side have their take on 'The Troubles' and it's roots, but where does the cycle of blame end, and where does it get us? |
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"I've never understood why there is not an EU army. All members of the EU pay in to a pot for a single EU-wide army.
Instead, each nation has to fund its own national army, and then contribute in to NATO as well.
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That's NATO isn't it? If we aggregated combined contributions to the EU and NATO before Brexit, the UK was miles ahead even of Germany. I'm not sure I'd feel safe in Europe where the EU was running defence things tbh. |
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"Roots of it came from people not having equal civil rights just like the Palestinians haven't, that's why Ireland supports them,"
I can see that, but is the support emotional or practical? e,g is a two-state solution viable when Palestinians/Hamas are a proxy of Iran? |
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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"I've never understood why there is not an EU army. All members of the EU pay in to a pot for a single EU-wide army.
Instead, each nation has to fund its own national army, and then contribute in to NATO as well.
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You are practically calling for EU countries to hand over their sovereignty, step away from being a "trading bloc" and become a federation.
That is why they don't have their own army, the EU is a trading agreement amongst nations not a single entity. |
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"Seriously? Do you know that little British /Irish history?
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in its administration and policing."
I do. The Irish ran whole swathes of the British Empire. Example : Policing of the British Concession in Shanghai (where I once lived). You can buy the whitewashed 'oppressed for centuries' line if you want, but it wasn't that simple. |
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"Ireland has never invaded,bombed starved any people,
But yes as a young nation now finding its feet after 800 years of English suppression it should contribute to nato"
It doesn’t really matter what happened in the past. What matters is what is going to happen in the future.
If war starts and you are unprepared then you have issues. Probably big ones and potentially terminal ones.
The question is what do you do to face into those issues? Anything else is irrelevant. |
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You are practically calling for EU countries to hand over their sovereignty, step away from being a "trading bloc" and become a federation.
That is why they don't have their own army, the EU is a trading agreement amongst nations not a single entity. "
Indeed. I am a federalist. I would much prefer a United States of Europe. A single entity. Federated regions, much like Germany. Or the US for that matter, which is a Federal Republic. |
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"I've never understood why there is not an EU army. All members of the EU pay in to a pot for a single EU-wide army.
Instead, each nation has to fund its own national army, and then contribute in to NATO as well.
You are practically calling for EU countries to hand over their sovereignty, step away from being a "trading bloc" and become a federation.
That is why they don't have their own army, the EU is a trading agreement amongst nations not a single entity. "
It started off as a trading agreement sure enough, but slowly morphed into a federalist super-state. They just forgot to tell us. |
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Yep. A handful of west Brits and the RIC, hardly representative of the Irish Republic.
"Seriously? Do you know that little British /Irish history?
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in its administration and policing.
I do. The Irish ran whole swathes of the British Empire. Example : Policing of the British Concession in Shanghai (where I once lived). You can buy the whitewashed 'oppressed for centuries' line if you want, but it wasn't that simple. "
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"Yep. A handful of west Brits and the RIC, hardly representative of the Irish Republic.
Seriously? Do you know that little British /Irish history?
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in its administration and policing.
I do. The Irish ran whole swathes of the British Empire. Example : Policing of the British Concession in Shanghai (where I once lived). You can buy the whitewashed 'oppressed for centuries' line if you want, but it wasn't that simple. "
Well Googled!! |
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"I've never understood why there is not an EU army. All members of the EU pay in to a pot for a single EU-wide army.
Instead, each nation has to fund its own national army, and then contribute in to NATO as well.
You are practically calling for EU countries to hand over their sovereignty, step away from being a "trading bloc" and become a federation.
That is why they don't have their own army, the EU is a trading agreement amongst nations not a single entity. "
yes one where they make it almost impossible to get out of |
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Do you seriously believe that Irish people were abroad doing policing duties for an empire they despised while the black and tans were murdering their brothers and sisters back home?
"Yep. A handful of west Brits and the RIC, hardly representative of the Irish Republic.
Seriously? Do you know that little British /Irish history?
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in its administration and policing.
I do. The Irish ran whole swathes of the British Empire. Example : Policing of the British Concession in Shanghai (where I once lived). You can buy the whitewashed 'oppressed for centuries' line if you want, but it wasn't that simple.
Well Googled!!"
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I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK. |
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"Do you seriously believe that Irish people were abroad doing policing duties for an empire they despised while the black and tans were murdering their brothers and sisters back home?
Yep. A handful of west Brits and the RIC, hardly representative of the Irish Republic.
Seriously? Do you know that little British /Irish history?
Ireland was part of the British Empire during that time, and took a full role in its administration and policing.
I do. The Irish ran whole swathes of the British Empire. Example : Policing of the British Concession in Shanghai (where I once lived). You can buy the whitewashed 'oppressed for centuries' line if you want, but it wasn't that simple.
Well Googled!!"
Strange as it might seem, I do - because it's true. Ireland was ruled by Britain for 700 years, the Black & Tans lasted barely 3. The Irish have always joined the British military, and still do - across all ranks commissioned and non-commissioned. Hate the Brits if you like, but the facts are way more complicated than the popular rhetoric. |
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Facts are there was no money in lreland because English had taken all the wealth and food which caused a million Irish people to die in the famine,so by joining the British army meant there families could eat some took it, |
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"Facts are there was no money in lreland because English had taken all the wealth and food which caused a million Irish people to die in the famine,so by joining the British army meant there families could eat some took it,"
That's not true either. I could give you some enlightening facts on the potato famine, it's causes and interventions, but you'll move on to Cromwell or some other BS. |
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By *abioMan 1 week ago
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK."
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes) |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)"
but but but democrats have been telling everybidy fir the last couple of years that if he ine he would be a dgictator and there would never be elections again, what is it fabii? Is he a dictator or was all that bollox? |
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"Excited to read these alternative facts in relation to the famine "
Who said they were 'alternative'? LOL This is a Trump thread, so let's not go down a Potato Famine rabbit hole. Suffice to say that the facts are all out there if you look. But here's the thing, in the end you'll believe what you WANT to believe. That's how history works. |
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"Just reading the first and last post it's like that game of whispers.
How do you get from Trump/NATO to the potato famine!?!?"
If you rearrange the letters, you get Mr N. Putato.
Obviously, the "N" stands for Niamh... |
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
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You are practically calling for EU countries to hand over their sovereignty, step away from being a "trading bloc" and become a federation.
That is why they don't have their own army, the EU is a trading agreement amongst nations not a single entity.
Indeed. I am a federalist. I would much prefer a United States of Europe. A single entity. Federated regions, much like Germany. Or the US for that matter, which is a Federal Republic."
Federalisation of the EU trading bloc would undermine national sovereignty, water down cultural diversity, and would break up the EU as countries would step away rather than lose their identity and sovereignty.
I suspect the move from pure trading to more control across the bloc is why we are seeing it slowly break up. |
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I don't think there will be an EU army, as that is covered via NATO, but deeper integration, standardization of EU defense forces, in terms of collective purchasing power, standard equipment; just Google the issues of artillery shells size sent to Ukraine |
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Personally, I think Ireland should follow Iceland & join NATO on a non-combative role, such as medical aid, cyber security, naval assistance (though limited).
Ireland has been cooperating with NATO led military operations since the 90s... but regardless of Ireland involvement, it should go to a referendum |
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"You obviously don't know how much our people suffered, only 70 yrs ago in Northern Ireland part of UK,a peaceful civil march looking for equal rights 20 people were murdered by the British army, that's what you got when you didn't bow to the crown,1 atrocity of 800 yrs
Let's not forget ballymurphry same para regiment.
Yeah, "let's not forget ....blah, blah, blah". Both side have their take on 'The Troubles' and it's roots, but where does the cycle of blame end, and where does it get us? "
Ignorant comments by people who clearly have no idea of what happened in Ireland or other countries that belonged to the British Empire!
I take it you have no issues with what's happening in Israel, Ukraine and perhaps in the near future Taiwan. |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)"
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements? |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?"
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
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Thank you for the information. Looking at those figures I can't see how trump can use spending on the military as a threat to withdraw from NATO anymore. In his first term I could understand his frustration at others wanting protection from the NATO club but not prepared to meet the requirements. Hopefully this is consigned to history (assuming all members meet the requirements now) |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
Thank you for the information. Looking at those figures I can't see how trump can use spending on the military as a threat to withdraw from NATO anymore. In his first term I could understand his frustration at others wanting protection from the NATO club but not prepared to meet the requirements. Hopefully this is consigned to history (assuming all members meet the requirements now)"
3.4% for the US is a hell of a lot more in monetary terms than anyone else. Those that are spending the most are those stuck with a border with Russia. The UK is taking the piss and should be ashamed. |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
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Poland is smashing it. UK should be ashamed to be less than 4%. |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
Poland is smashing it. UK should be ashamed to be less than 4%."
Militarily speaking our nation is pathetic, as are the politicians who are the reason for it |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
Poland is smashing it. UK should be ashamed to be less than 4%.
Militarily speaking our nation is pathetic, as are the politicians who are the reason for it"
In the 18th and 19th Century we used to spend a third of GDP on the Navy alone ! |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
Poland is smashing it. UK should be ashamed to be less than 4%.
Militarily speaking our nation is pathetic, as are the politicians who are the reason for it
In the 18th and 19th Century we used to spend a third of GDP on the Navy alone ! "
Yes but naval warfare was it back then.
These days it's a different matter.
But yes I get your meaning. |
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By *abioMan 1 week ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?"
In theory countries in nato can choose what deployments or equipment their resources go into under the NATO banner ( not all countries always give troops.. some may given other resources such as refuelling planes, or high level radar planes for example)
the only thing that would override that would be if it were to invoke article 5, in which an attack on one is seen as an attack on them all!
Only country to ever invoke article 5 was the United States after 9/11 |
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
In theory countries in nato can choose what deployments or equipment their resources go into under the NATO banner ( not all countries always give troops.. some may given other resources such as refuelling planes, or high level radar planes for example)
the only thing that would override that would be if it were to invoke article 5, in which an attack on one is seen as an attack on them all!
Only country to ever invoke article 5 was the United States after 9/11"
Thanks for the info. Coupled with countries now meeting the spending commitments, and the voting requirements to leave altogether, that you explained previously, it looks like he has very little opportunity to threaten other countries |
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"You obviously don't know how much our people suffered, only 70 yrs ago in Northern Ireland part of UK,a peaceful civil march looking for equal rights 20 people were murdered by the British army, that's what you got when you didn't bow to the crown,1 atrocity of 800 yrs
Let's not forget ballymurphry same para regiment.
Yeah, "let's not forget ....blah, blah, blah". Both side have their take on 'The Troubles' and it's roots, but where does the cycle of blame end, and where does it get us?
Ignorant comments by people who clearly have no idea of what happened in Ireland or other countries that belonged to the British Empire!
I take it you have no issues with what's happening in Israel, Ukraine and perhaps in the near future Taiwan."
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By *d4ugirlsMan 1 week ago
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"I agree yes.
All countries big and small should be able to defend themselves and have the ability to join an alliance to help defeat a greater enemy.
No point being neutral today radioactive fall out won't stop at a countries border just because they have claimed neutrality.
This is all part of trump's plan to pull the US away from NATO isn't it??
Making the rest of the world more reliant on themselves rather than the US.
Which spell's disaster for the UK.
He can’t unilaterally pull the US out of NATO…..basically after he put out that thought in office last time and the events of January 6th it actually spooked senate republicans so much that they passed into law that any move to leave NATO cannot just be done via executive order, needs to be voted on by the senate with a supermajority (2/3rds of the Senate… 67 votes)
It's good to know that he can't just order America to leave NATO if he gets angry. Does a president have the power to stop American forces taking part in any NATO action if they happen to either disagree with the action or feel those being protected do not deserve it as they did not meet the minimum spending requirements?
According to Nato estimates for 2024, Poland will be the top spender for the second year running, allocating 4.1% of GDP (the total value of goods and services produced). Estonia is in second place at 3.4% with the US in third place at 3.4%, which is about the same level as it has been spending for the last decade.
The UK comes ninth on the list with 2.3%.
The average for Nato members in Europe and Canada is estimated at 2.0%.
(BBC 10 July 2024)
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Glad to see you are all recognizing that after President Elect Trump's first term, other countries have now started picking up their fare share of the expense of NATO. |
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"You obviously don't know how much our people suffered, only 70 yrs ago in Northern Ireland part of UK,a peaceful civil march looking for equal rights 20 people were murdered by the British army, that's what you got when you didn't bow to the crown,1 atrocity of 800 yrs"
Followed by a quarter of a century by cowardly terrorists slaughtering and terrorising innocent civilians in Northern Ireland |
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"How about countries like Ireland even join NATO and chip-in a bit?
We are a neutral country. The extent of our military action is peace keeping."
Got it. Let others defend Western liberties and values, you just look after yourselves eh? |
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"How about countries like Ireland even join NATO and chip-in a bit?
We are a neutral country. The extent of our military action is peace keeping.
Got it. Let others defend Western liberties and values, you just look after yourselves eh?"
Any idea how many peace keeping operations is Ireland involved in?
Mainly having to keep the peace due to UK's adventures in spreading UK "values & liberties"... |
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"How about countries like Ireland even join NATO and chip-in a bit?
We are a neutral country. The extent of our military action is peace keeping.
Got it. Let others defend Western liberties and values, you just look after yourselves eh?
Any idea how many peace keeping operations is Ireland involved in?
Mainly having to keep the peace due to UK's adventures in spreading UK "values & liberties"..."
Yes, the values and liberties you enjoy, but not part of the organisation that ensures it. |
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"How about countries like Ireland even join NATO and chip-in a bit?
We are a neutral country. The extent of our military action is peace keeping.
Got it. Let others defend Western liberties and values, you just look after yourselves eh?
Any idea how many peace keeping operations is Ireland involved in?
Mainly having to keep the peace due to UK's adventures in spreading UK "values & liberties"...
Yes, the values and liberties you enjoy, but not part of the organisation that ensures it. "
You do know Ireland has been participating in NATO led peace missions since the 1990s? |
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"How about countries like Ireland even join NATO and chip-in a bit?
We are a neutral country. The extent of our military action is peace keeping.
Got it. Let others defend Western liberties and values, you just look after yourselves eh?
Any idea how many peace keeping operations is Ireland involved in?
Mainly having to keep the peace due to UK's adventures in spreading UK "values & liberties"...
Yes, the values and liberties you enjoy, but not part of the organisation that ensures it.
You do know Ireland has been participating in NATO led peace missions since the 1990s?"
I do, and that's commendable, but it's not the heavy lifting is it? Ireland has to pull it's weight to protect the collective West if you think it's worth preserving. Just my opinion. |
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By *abioMan 7 days ago
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You do know Ireland has been participating in NATO led peace missions since the 1990s?"
Tiny bit misleading and needs clearing up a little
Ireland has been participating in NATO led peacekeeping operations where there is a UN Security Council resolution and mandate to do so….
So for example, NATO are the lead organisation that were enforcing the UN Security Council resolution and peacekeeping mandate in Kosovo….
Ireland are also part of the UN peacekeeping forces that were patrolling the security buffer between Israel and Lebanon |
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