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News outlets showing aftermath of the terror attack in East Germany, eight years to the day after the Islamic terror attack at the Berlin Christmas market in 2016.
60-80 injured including fatalities
Graphic video footage purporting to be from the market shows a large number of people being struck by a car at high speed.
Rumours circulating on social media suggest that at least three people have been killed, and that the driver was Syrian, but these claims were unverified at the time of news outlet publication.
Regional interior ministry has said this is a terror attack.
Lammy gave £50 million to the Syrian ISIS this week. |
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"Reported 11 dead, driver a Saudi national. 🇩🇪😪
So not Syrian and nothing to do with ISIS. Social media news strikes again."
I'm only quoting a news report from German media. I wouldn't speculative on motives, etc beyond that. |
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"Reported 11 dead, driver a Saudi national. 🇩🇪😪
So not Syrian and nothing to do with ISIS. Social media news strikes again.
I'm only quoting a news report from German media. I wouldn't speculative on motives, etc beyond that."
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"Reported 11 dead, driver a Saudi national. 🇩🇪😪
So not Syrian and nothing to do with ISIS. Social media news strikes again."
We're the 911 hijackers not Saudis, looking very much like Islamic terrorism regardless of which terror group the perpetrator belonged |
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"Reported 11 dead, driver a Saudi national. 🇩🇪😪
So not Syrian and nothing to do with ISIS. Social media news strikes again.
We're the 911 hijackers not Saudis, looking very much like Islamic terrorism regardless of which terror group the perpetrator belonged"
German media reporting its a 50 year old Saudi doctor and he had an explosive device also.
Unfortunately they captured him alive. |
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"At least one small child dead so far, and I though doctors take an oath to protect life."
There was an attempted terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport a few years ago where those involved were doctors. A high percentage of Islamic terrorists come from middle class and educated backgrounds. |
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The Islamic population of Europe is projected to treble by 2050, this will only get worse.
7/7, Manchester, Charlie Hebdo, Berlin, London Bridge, Madrid train bombing, Belgium, Strasbourg, Reading, Stockholm and now East Germany.
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"The Islamic population of Europe is projected to treble by 2050, this will only get worse.
7/7, Manchester, Charlie Hebdo, Berlin, London Bridge, Madrid train bombing, Belgium, Strasbourg, Reading, Stockholm and now East Germany.
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worse?? The media says thats where our skilled workers are coming from to help with our shotages? |
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"The Islamic population of Europe is projected to treble by 2050, this will only get worse.
7/7, Manchester, Charlie Hebdo, Berlin, London Bridge, Madrid train bombing, Belgium, Strasbourg, Reading, Stockholm and now East Germany.
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Many more than that unfortunately, plus multiple attempts which were detected or failed. Yet politicians like Sadiq Khan say this is part of living in big cities.  |
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"The Islamic population of Europe is projected to treble by 2050, this will only get worse.
7/7, Manchester, Charlie Hebdo, Berlin, London Bridge, Madrid train bombing, Belgium, Strasbourg, Reading, Stockholm and now East Germany.
Many more than that unfortunately, plus multiple attempts which were detected or failed. Yet politicians like Sadiq Khan say this is part of living in big cities. "
i bet most at this chrismas event didnt even live there just having a lovely xmas evening 😥 |
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"The Islamic population of Europe is projected to treble by 2050, this will only get worse.
7/7, Manchester, Charlie Hebdo, Berlin, London Bridge, Madrid train bombing, Belgium, Strasbourg, Reading, Stockholm and now East Germany.
Many more than that unfortunately, plus multiple attempts which were detected or failed. Yet politicians like Sadiq Khan say this is part of living in big cities. i bet most at this chrismas event didnt even live there just having a lovely xmas evening 😥"
Proper German markets are fantastic, real family events. |
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"And people will unironically wonder after a few months - Why is AfD getting so much support?"
The Afd will almost certainly come second in the forthcoming German election. Probably be first in the Eastern regions. |
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"And people will unironically wonder after a few months - Why is AfD getting so much support?
The Afd will almost certainly come second in the forthcoming German election. Probably be first in the Eastern regions."
Yeah they are polling second after CDU/CSU. I wonder what CDU's policy is on immigration. After all, it's Merkel from their party who opened the floodgates of immigration. |
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"And people will unironically wonder after a few months - Why is AfD getting so much support?
The Afd will almost certainly come second in the forthcoming German election. Probably be first in the Eastern regions.
Yeah they are polling second after CDU/CSU. I wonder what CDU's policy is on immigration. After all, it's Merkel from their party who opened the floodgates of immigration. "
The current leader is Mertz who hates Merkel ! She basically stabbed him in the back to become leader back in 2002 (I think) so he has very different ideas and isn't too associated with her disastrous policies |
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"And people will unironically wonder after a few months - Why is AfD getting so much support?
The Afd will almost certainly come second in the forthcoming German election. Probably be first in the Eastern regions.
Yeah they are polling second after CDU/CSU. I wonder what CDU's policy is on immigration. After all, it's Merkel from their party who opened the floodgates of immigration.
The current leader is Mertz who hates Merkel ! She basically stabbed him in the back to become leader back in 2002 (I think) so he has very different ideas and isn't too associated with her disastrous policies "
Right. Just checked their manifesto. Looks like the opposite of Merkel's policies. Merkel has left a horrible legacy behind her. Trusting Putin, killing off Germany's energy independence, Immigration policies all creating major problems in Europe. |
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"And people will unironically wonder after a few months - Why is AfD getting so much support?
The Afd will almost certainly come second in the forthcoming German election. Probably be first in the Eastern regions.
Yeah they are polling second after CDU/CSU. I wonder what CDU's policy is on immigration. After all, it's Merkel from their party who opened the floodgates of immigration.
The current leader is Mertz who hates Merkel ! She basically stabbed him in the back to become leader back in 2002 (I think) so he has very different ideas and isn't too associated with her disastrous policies
Right. Just checked their manifesto. Looks like the opposite of Merkel's policies. Merkel has left a horrible legacy behind her. Trusting Putin, killing off Germany's energy independence, Immigration policies all creating major problems in Europe."
Yes, and yet everyone on the left in the UK thought she was wonderful! 🤦♂️ |
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"At some point surely someone currently in Government outside of Poland and Hungary has to realise there's a serious problem with certain religious cults"
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There's a problem with certain religious extremists. |
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"Poland never had a terrorist attack, reason no Muslims no terrorists. Not hard to work out , when you think about it. "
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The victims and families of Hitler's reign of terror in Poland might disagree with that, the Poles are currently more concerned with the real threat from Russia than they are demonising Muslims.
Not hard when you think about it.
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"Poland never had a terrorist attack, reason no Muslims no terrorists. Not hard to work out , when you think about it.
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The victims and families of Hitler's reign of terror in Poland might disagree with that, the Poles are currently more concerned with the real threat from Russia than they are demonising Muslims.
Not hard when you think about it.
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I did say terrorist, Hilter was head/leader of Germany arm forces. Shame on you a child was run over and killed. No one more but Muslims themselves and demonising them. |
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"Poland never had a terrorist attack, reason no Muslims no terrorists. Not hard to work out , when you think about it.
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The victims and families of Hitler's reign of terror in Poland might disagree with that, the Poles are currently more concerned with the real threat from Russia than they are demonising Muslims.
Not hard when you think about it.
I did say terrorist, Hilter was head/leader of Germany arm forces. Shame on you a child was run over and killed. No one more but Muslims themselves and demonising them. "
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Hitlers campaign in Europe was state sponsored terrorism. I didn't make any comment about yesterday's atrocity.
Do you know what the motivation of this terrorist was or what groups he belonged to? I'd hate to be involved in your Kangaroo court based on prejudice and public opinion, Muslims are a collection of individuals just as we are, Ive never met any who wanted to harm me |
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"Virtually impossible to protect people against these attacks
It is especially if you follow a backward ideology. "
13. That is because they defied Allah and His Messenger. But whoever defies Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in punishment
191. And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is worse than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque until they attack you there. But if they attack you, then fight them; that is the retribution of the disbelievers
193. And fight them until the persecution ceases and religion in Allah prevails; but if they desist, then (know) that no enmity is permissible except against the wrongdoers |
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"Virtually impossible to protect people against these attacks
It is especially if you follow a backward ideology.
13. That is because they defied Allah and His Messenger. But whoever defies Allah and His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in punishment
191. And kill them wherever you find them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is worse than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque until they attack you there. But if they attack you, then fight them; that is the retribution of the disbelievers
193. And fight them until the persecution ceases and religion in Allah prevails; but if they desist, then (know) that no enmity is permissible except against the wrongdoers"
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Would you like me to selectively cut & paste some tasty tracts from the Bible? |
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"There was alot of armed police around Birmingham market yesterday."
It's profoundly sad that we've sleep-walked into a situation where traditional Christmas markets across Europe have to be guarded by armed Police and concrete barriers. How have we got here and who is responsible? I suppose more to the point, what can we do about it? |
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"There was alot of armed police around Birmingham market yesterday.
It's profoundly sad that we've sleep-walked into a situation where traditional Christmas markets across Europe have to be guarded by armed Police and concrete barriers. How have we got here and who is responsible? I suppose more to the point, what can we do about it?"
It's been going on since the 70s if you look at using barriers etc to control areas, in those days it was another cause and the methods were vehicle borne ieds now it's the vehicle as the weapon used by the terrorist..
As it used to be the case we the public were vigilant in relation to it..
Literally that's what we can physically do and trust that the security services carry on doing their work and preventing planned attacks by whoever..
Tbh, as a grandparent this morning my thoughts are with the families of those murdered..
Deeply sad.. |
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"Why do Christmas markets in the auK need concrete barriers and armed cops patrolling them, who or what is the perceived threat ?"
There are real threats, probably daily but we tend to only hear about the ones which actually happen. |
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Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould. |
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Tbh, as a grandparent this morning my thoughts are with the families of those murdered..
Deeply sad.."
Yes that was my first thought as well.
At least one child was killed. One child who was looking forward to unwrapping presents next week. A family that have been buying those presents to make sure that child had a great day.
Now all dust and devastation. |
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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"There was alot of armed police around Birmingham market yesterday.
It's profoundly sad that we've sleep-walked into a situation where traditional Christmas markets across Europe have to be guarded by armed Police and concrete barriers. How have we got here and who is responsible? I suppose more to the point, what can we do about it?"
It’s worrying that three late stage terror plots have been stopped in the UK this year. Our society feels fragile, with security and media often hesitant to fully report incidents for fear of reprisals.
I genuinely feel we have embraced cultural diversity, sometimes at the expense of our own traditions, but radicalisation and terrorism persist, and seem to be worsening. We only see and hear the worst outcomes, how many people silently hold the same ideology, we will never know.
It is a tough problem, how do we strengthen society while remaining fair. I do however feel the easier thing to do is not to be dismissive of peoples real concerns, as racist or any number of the usual throw away slurs, it only deepens mistrust. We have so many cultures in the country and we know it can't be one size fits all in any solution but we must not be afraid of addressing the issues in whatever part of society they reside in! We need open conversations on how integration is actually working not the rose tinted version, are shared values really shared or are we poles apart, and changes based on the outcomes not superficial changes that mask the problem, which could be said is what we have now.
It is in everyones interest to flush out the evil that wants to harm us all. |
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"Sounds like the terrorist was well known to authorities and should have been deported years ago. So often the case with these attacks."
Why should he have been deported years ago? I have not read so far anything to say he should have been deported or that Germany were stopped from deporting him. I did see a headline the other day about the ECHR stopping the UK from deporting someone, but not aware of any such problem in this terrible situation in Germany |
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Tbh, as a grandparent this morning my thoughts are with the families of those murdered..
Deeply sad..
Yes that was my first thought as well.
At least one child was killed. One child who was looking forward to unwrapping presents next week. A family that have been buying those presents to make sure that child had a great day.
Now all dust and devastation. "
Truly awful beyond ones worst imagining..
At any time devastating.. |
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"There was alot of armed police around Birmingham market yesterday.
It's profoundly sad that we've sleep-walked into a situation where traditional Christmas markets across Europe have to be guarded by armed Police and concrete barriers. How have we got here and who is responsible? I suppose more to the point, what can we do about it?
It’s worrying that three late stage terror plots have been stopped in the UK this year. Our society feels fragile, with security and media often hesitant to fully report incidents for fear of reprisals.
I genuinely feel we have embraced cultural diversity, sometimes at the expense of our own traditions, but radicalisation and terrorism persist, and seem to be worsening. We only see and hear the worst outcomes, how many people silently hold the same ideology, we will never know.
It is a tough problem, how do we strengthen society while remaining fair. I do however feel the easier thing to do is not to be dismissive of peoples real concerns, as racist or any number of the usual throw away slurs, it only deepens mistrust. We have so many cultures in the country and we know it can't be one size fits all in any solution but we must not be afraid of addressing the issues in whatever part of society they reside in! We need open conversations on how integration is actually working not the rose tinted version, are shared values really shared or are we poles apart, and changes based on the outcomes not superficial changes that mask the problem, which could be said is what we have now.
It is in everyones interest to flush out the evil that wants to harm us all. "
And those that seek to use such vile actions, by anyone to further divide and spread hatred..
Such people are a minority but sadly we see that the consequences of what one can do..
And whilst you raise some valid points the debate has to involve all in our society, many more of all backgrounds are decent folk and that fact must be accepted..
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"Sounds like the terrorist was well known to authorities and should have been deported years ago. So often the case with these attacks.
Why should he have been deported years ago? I have not read so far anything to say he should have been deported or that Germany were stopped from deporting him. I did see a headline the other day about the ECHR stopping the UK from deporting someone, but not aware of any such problem in this terrible situation in Germany"
It's been reported he first fled Saudi as he was facing r*pe charges there. He then presented himself as an 'ex Muslim' who successfully claimed asylum as he'd face persecution or death if he was returned. |
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Reported in Spiegel.de- German attack suspect: “I can say from experience, everything that [Tommy] Robinson says, what Musk says, what Alex Jones says, or anyone who is called radical or right-wing extremist by mainstream media - they are telling the truth” |
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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"There was alot of armed police around Birmingham market yesterday.
It's profoundly sad that we've sleep-walked into a situation where traditional Christmas markets across Europe have to be guarded by armed Police and concrete barriers. How have we got here and who is responsible? I suppose more to the point, what can we do about it?
It’s worrying that three late stage terror plots have been stopped in the UK this year. Our society feels fragile, with security and media often hesitant to fully report incidents for fear of reprisals.
I genuinely feel we have embraced cultural diversity, sometimes at the expense of our own traditions, but radicalisation and terrorism persist, and seem to be worsening. We only see and hear the worst outcomes, how many people silently hold the same ideology, we will never know.
It is a tough problem, how do we strengthen society while remaining fair. I do however feel the easier thing to do is not to be dismissive of peoples real concerns, as racist or any number of the usual throw away slurs, it only deepens mistrust. We have so many cultures in the country and we know it can't be one size fits all in any solution but we must not be afraid of addressing the issues in whatever part of society they reside in! We need open conversations on how integration is actually working not the rose tinted version, are shared values really shared or are we poles apart, and changes based on the outcomes not superficial changes that mask the problem, which could be said is what we have now.
It is in everyones interest to flush out the evil that wants to harm us all.
And those that seek to use such vile actions, by anyone to further divide and spread hatred..
Such people are a minority but sadly we see that the consequences of what one can do..
And whilst you raise some valid points the debate has to involve all in our society, many more of all backgrounds are decent folk and that fact must be accepted..
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Exactly, that was my point. Everyone needs to take responsibility, even if it means confronting some uncomfortable truths.
However, we can’t continue to afford to let liberally lenient attitudes, or far right attitudes shape our thinking. That approach has failed and only provides a hiding place for those with bad intentions |
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"Reported in Spiegel.de- German attack suspect: “I can say from experience, everything that [Tommy] Robinson says, what Musk says, what Alex Jones says, or anyone who is called radical or right-wing extremist by mainstream media - they are telling the truth”"
The terrorist's public statements are chaotic and contradictory, including support for Hamas. Whatever his motives, which may never be properly known, his actions were directed against German citizens at a Christmas/Christian event using a method employed multiple times by Islamists. |
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In reply to this attack here is ‘Ahmed’s post from the telegraph
You reap what you sow in Gaza. You refused to stop the shipment of bombs that burn children alive. Therefore, this life is a court and of course there is more to come. It is God's justice.✌✌☝
This is the face of Islam. |
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German Interior Minister saying the terrorist was an 'Islamaphobe', which is presumably why he attacked a Christmas/Christian event full of non-Muslims.
To be fair I'm surprised they didn't also mention he was Welsh.🤦♂️ |
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"In reply to this attack here is ‘Ahmed’s post from the telegraph
You reap what you sow in Gaza. You refused to stop the shipment of bombs that burn children alive. Therefore, this life is a court and of course there is more to come. It is God's justice.✌✌☝
This is the face of Islam. "
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The face of Islam?
I'm sure we'd respond by acts of aggression if the tables were turned.
The awful atrocity in Germany is testimony to humanity's inability to get on with itself for centuries, if God/Allah/Whoever existed we would all have been wiped out long ago and the drawing board revisited. Mankind is a failed experiment. |
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"German Interior Minister saying the terrorist was an 'Islamaphobe', which is presumably why he attacked a Christmas/Christian event full of non-Muslims.
To be fair I'm surprised they didn't also mention he was Welsh.🤦♂️"
Definitely a Welsh Christian...
I'm really surprised that someone can fool so many people so easily, or am I? |
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"German Interior Minister saying the terrorist was an 'Islamaphobe', which is presumably why he attacked a Christmas/Christian event full of non-Muslims.
To be fair I'm surprised they didn't also mention he was Welsh.🤦♂️"
im suprised they didn’t say he was far right |
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"Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould. "
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks. |
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"Reported in Spiegel.de- German attack suspect: “I can say from experience, everything that [Tommy] Robinson says, what Musk says, what Alex Jones says, or anyone who is called radical or right-wing extremist by mainstream media - they are telling the truth”
The terrorist's public statements are chaotic and contradictory, including support for Hamas. Whatever his motives, which may never be properly known, his actions were directed against German citizens at a Christmas/Christian event using a method employed multiple times by Islamists."
A lot of asylum seekers claim that they will be killed of they return home as they now follow the Christian faith, though it seems rare that they actually to convert to Christianity. |
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"Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould.
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks."
you could all so add to that any other terror groups who have attacked the U.K. in the name of another religion apart from a certain one |
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"Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould.
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks.you could all so add to that any other terror groups who have attacked the U.K. in the name of another religion apart from a certain one "
I didn't know any other religious fundamentalist terror groups had attacked the UK other than Islamic inspired jihadists. |
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"German Interior Minister saying the terrorist was an 'Islamaphobe', which is presumably why he attacked a Christmas/Christian event full of non-Muslims.
To be fair I'm surprised they didn't also mention he was Welsh.🤦♂️"
The story is weird.
Guy claimed asylum in Germany as an atheist whose life is in threat in Saudi.
He starts a website where he criticises Islam and offers support for women in Saudi who want to escape.
Tries to get Germany to take more refugees from Saudi and fails.
Meanwhile Saudi claims that he is really trafficking women and asks Germany to send him back.
He complains about how Germany is Islamising Europe by taking Muslims but not ex-Muslims.
Then drives into a Christmas market and kills a bunch of Christians.
None of this makes any sense  |
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"German Interior Minister saying the terrorist was an 'Islamaphobe', which is presumably why he attacked a Christmas/Christian event full of non-Muslims.
To be fair I'm surprised they didn't also mention he was Welsh.🤦♂️
The story is weird.
Guy claimed asylum in Germany as an atheist whose life is in threat in Saudi.
He starts a website where he criticises Islam and offers support for women in Saudi who want to escape.
Tries to get Germany to take more refugees from Saudi and fails.
Meanwhile Saudi claims that he is really trafficking women and asks Germany to send him back.
He complains about how Germany is Islamising Europe by taking Muslims but not ex-Muslims.
Then drives into a Christmas market and kills a bunch of Christians.
None of this makes any sense "
like any other attack the more you delve the weirder it gets |
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"The man who killed Jo Cox shouted Britain first who claim to support catholic/Christian religion.
You don't need to be Muslim or someone of colour to be a terrorist. "
From a statistical point of view, which religious group is most likely to carry out a terror attack in the name of their God ? |
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"The man who killed Jo Cox shouted Britain first who claim to support catholic/Christian religion.
You don't need to be Muslim or someone of colour to be a terrorist.
From a statistical point of view, which religious group is most likely to carry out a terror attack in the name of their God ?"
Currently Muslims, in previous years Catholics and Protestants. |
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"The man who killed Jo Cox shouted Britain first who claim to support catholic/Christian religion.
You don't need to be Muslim or someone of colour to be a terrorist.
From a statistical point of view, which religious group is most likely to carry out a terror attack in the name of their God ?"
Since 1979 over 210,000 deaths caused by Islamic terrorists, Mrs x |
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By *9alMan 1 week ago
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"Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould.
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks.you could all so add to that any other terror groups who have attacked the U.K. in the name of another religion apart from a certain one
I didn't know any other religious fundamentalist terror groups had attacked the UK other than Islamic inspired jihadists."
have you herd of Guy Falkes & the IRA both Catholic inspired terrorists |
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"Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould.
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks.you could all so add to that any other terror groups who have attacked the U.K. in the name of another religion apart from a certain one
I didn't know any other religious fundamentalist terror groups had attacked the UK other than Islamic inspired jihadists.
have you herd of Guy Falkes & the IRA both Catholic inspired terrorists "
these were more anti establishment groups than religious extremists |
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I remember working on building sites in the 70's and the amount of abuse the Irish labourers took. Can you imagine what it would have been like to be Irish in the UK at that time if social media had been around. |
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"Thoughts should be with the families that have suffered.
Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould.
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks.you could all so add to that any other terror groups who have attacked the U.K. in the name of another religion apart from a certain one
I didn't know any other religious fundamentalist terror groups had attacked the UK other than Islamic inspired jihadists.
have you herd of Guy Falkes & the IRA both Catholic inspired terrorists "
The IRA were not catholic inspired terrorists. Over the centuries there were dozens of pre cursers to the IRA that fought for Irish independence and freedom, not in the name of catholism as many prominent Irish republicans were protestant, inc the most famous Wolf Tone.
In the North during the troubles there was sectarian trouble with Catholics killing protestant and vice versa. You can look up the way Catholics were treated in Northen Ireland. Guy Fawke and his co conspirators wanted to blow up Westminster due to the persecution of Catholics but I think that was a few years ago so not relevant now esp as people have freedom to practice their chosen religion these days without fear of persecution.
That aside I think it's fair to say that Islamic extremists pose the biggest threat to the general public, especially at this time of year. |
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Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould.
I don't think the crusades are relevant at this point as they happened around 1000 years ago and were also used to stop the spread of Islam. When you mention Jo Cox it's worth mentioning the number of deadly Islamic terror attacks vs Far right terror attacks.you could all so add to that any other terror groups who have attacked the U.K. in the name of another religion apart from a certain one
I didn't know any other religious fundamentalist terror groups had attacked the UK other than Islamic inspired jihadists.
have you herd of Guy Falkes & the IRA both Catholic inspired terrorists "
The IRA was not a religious paramilitary group same as the inla there aim was against Britain, both organisations had catholic Christian and protestant Christian also and ones not religious, so not Catholic inspired but Irish national inspired. |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe."
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route. |
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
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Terrorism, regardless of its origin or justification, must be condemned. It is counterproductive and seems divisive to engage in whataboutism. Accountability and justice should be applied equally, without bias or excuses, to ensure that such actions are addressed and prevented in the future.
If a right wing, white terrorist carried out the same type of attack as in Germany, I would not expect people to say, Muslims have been doing the same thing. The focus should remain on the act itself and the ideology or motivation behind it, without excuses. Terrorism is terrorism, and shifting the focus only serves to water down accountability, and prevents real progress in rooting out the individuals and groups accountable for damaging our societies.
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"Terrorism, regardless of its origin or justification, must be condemned. It is counterproductive and seems divisive to engage in whataboutism. Accountability and justice should be applied equally, without bias or excuses, to ensure that such actions are addressed and prevented in the future.
If a right wing, white terrorist carried out the same type of attack as in Germany, I would not expect people to say, Muslims have been doing the same thing. The focus should remain on the act itself and the ideology or motivation behind it, without excuses. Terrorism is terrorism, and shifting the focus only serves to water down accountability, and prevents real progress in rooting out the individuals and groups accountable for damaging our societies.
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
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"Terrorism, regardless of its origin or justification, must be condemned. It is counterproductive and seems divisive to engage in whataboutism. Accountability and justice should be applied equally, without bias or excuses, to ensure that such actions are addressed and prevented in the future.
If a right wing, white terrorist carried out the same type of attack as in Germany, I would not expect people to say, Muslims have been doing the same thing. The focus should remain on the act itself and the ideology or motivation behind it, without excuses. Terrorism is terrorism, and shifting the focus only serves to water down accountability, and prevents real progress in rooting out the individuals and groups accountable for damaging our societies.
While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
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That was exactly the point of the post..
We should be addressing "exactly" the people responsible whoever they are and regardless of faith, colour, nationality etc.
Don't deviate from the act and the who, only then will start gain cohesion from society. |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
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Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
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By *ouple49Couple 1 week ago
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"At least one small child dead so far, and I though doctors take an oath to protect life."
Strangely enough there’s been a few Doctors involved in such attacks in the past. UK has had some. As you say quite ironic, but we are dealing with a very strange mindset when it comes down to it. |
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By *ouple49Couple 1 week ago
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route."
Probably bring it in for speaking your mind if it doesn’t comply with current Government agendas, but for what most people regard as serious crimes it would never be considered sadly. |
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By *ouple49Couple 1 week ago
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"At least one small child dead so far, and I though doctors take an oath to protect life.
There was an attempted terrorist attack on Glasgow Airport a few years ago where those involved were doctors. A high percentage of Islamic terrorists come from middle class and educated backgrounds."
They were. I think one was from Newcastle if I remember correctly. |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 1 week ago
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"At least one small child dead so far, and I though doctors take an oath to protect life.
Strangely enough there’s been a few Doctors involved in such attacks in the past. UK has had some. As you say quite ironic, but we are dealing with a very strange mindset when it comes down to it. "
The Hippocratic oath has never been law, but the majority of medical students swear it as a part of their own ceremony on graduation. Muslim medics do not do this as it "it invokes multiple gods", and Ally Snackbar wouldn't like that. Instead, they have their own oath that includes a religious statement that "physicians must always be conscious of their duty to God and His Prophet". |
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"At least one small child dead so far, and I though doctors take an oath to protect life.
Strangely enough there’s been a few Doctors involved in such attacks in the past. UK has had some. As you say quite ironic, but we are dealing with a very strange mindset when it comes down to it. "
Bashar al-Assad Is a doctor
(580k - 620k estimated deaths under his rule)
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"At least one small child dead so far, and I though doctors take an oath to protect life.
Strangely enough there’s been a few Doctors involved in such attacks in the past. UK has had some. As you say quite ironic, but we are dealing with a very strange mindset when it comes down to it.
Bashar al-Assad Is a doctor
(580k - 620k estimated deaths under his rule)
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True but I doubt he did any dirty work with his own hands. |
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"A high percentage of Islamic terrorists come from middle class and educated backgrounds. "
Osama bin Laden's father was Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, a billionaire construction magnate and the founder of the Saudi Binladin Group |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route."
I think many people would disagree ! |
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Not with those who have carried out the attacks.
Religious wars have been carried out for centuries.
E.g crusades the Christians were worse than Muslims in some aspects.
The murder of Jo Cox is often forgotten about as it doesn't always fit the terrorist mould. "
Yes, and it would be a struggle to find anyone who even knows about the brutal torture and murder of Kris Donald in Scotland. So easy to suppress information about a racist murder if the victim was white. |
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Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !"
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders "
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you. |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you."
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland "
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess. |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 1 week ago
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess."
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. "
break and become far right islamaphobes 🤦 |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. "
this thats why i have no problem with what Israel are doing you wana fuck around and dance in the streets celebrating you deserve erything coming your way, |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 1 week ago
Burley |
"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. break and become far right islamaphobes 🤦"
Do you say this because you think it's some kind of feeble insult to call someone "far right"? Fewer and fewer people are giving two shits what limp-wristed lefties think on this matter, which is why Europe is lurching to the right. Decent human beings get angry when cultist muslims murder en masse and want to something about it. Tolerance and integration techniques don't seem to be working very well, do they? |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. this thats why i have no problem with what Israel are doing you wana fuck around and dance in the streets celebrating you deserve erything coming your way, "
Ah I get it now. You only want public executions for Muslims. Is that all Muslims or only those who support terrorism. |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. this thats why i have no problem with what Israel are doing you wana fuck around and dance in the streets celebrating you deserve erything coming your way,
Ah I get it now. You only want public executions for Muslims. Is that all Muslims or only those who support terrorism."
those who support terrorism and lets be honest after oct 7th there were rakes of palestinians out in there streets dancing and celebratin so they obviously supported, so they should really stop there bitching about the retaliation, personaly id turn the whole place to rubble |
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"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. break and become far right islamaphobes 🤦"
they ya go any condemnation of this and ya get the loonie shouting Islamophobia and that’s the real reason all these sick crimes don’t get called out like they should look at how long grooming gangs have been going on because ppl scream Islamophobia just look at the ppl on here who cry racism the most notice that they never comment on these crimes fucking cowards |
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Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. break and become far right islamaphobes 🤦
Do you say this because you think it's some kind of feeble insult to call someone "far right"? Fewer and fewer people are giving two shits what limp-wristed lefties think on this matter, which is why Europe is lurching to the right. Decent human beings get angry when cultist muslims murder en masse and want to something about it. Tolerance and integration techniques don't seem to be working very well, do they? "
i were been sarcastic as thats what you end up been called when your sick of what is happening and going to get worse |
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By *AJMLKTV/TS 1 week ago
Burley |
"Saudi Govt claims to have given multiple warnings about the terrorist. Saudi Arabia seems to be much tougher on terrorism than most of Europe.
Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. break and become far right islamaphobes 🤦
Do you say this because you think it's some kind of feeble insult to call someone "far right"? Fewer and fewer people are giving two shits what limp-wristed lefties think on this matter, which is why Europe is lurching to the right. Decent human beings get angry when cultist muslims murder en masse and want to something about it. Tolerance and integration techniques don't seem to be working very well, do they? i were been sarcastic as thats what you end up been called when your sick of what is happening and going to get worse "
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"I read yesterday that the Germans have this murderer stamped as anti Islam. That he has thousands of followers on social media, and is actually an Islamophobe.."
course they do just like our gov told us the twat in stockport was a welsh christian, just happens to have ricin and isis training manual
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"I read yesterday that the Germans have this murderer stamped as anti Islam. That he has thousands of followers on social media, and is actually an Islamophobe.."
Whether for, or anti-Islam, it's still about Islam. But as has been said above, it was people at a Christmas fair that he targeted. I don't believe the German authorities for a cold hard second. |
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Saudi Arabia is much tougher on all crime. I'm not sure we want to go down that route.
I think many people would disagree !
I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Apparently there are regular flights to the Middle East for you.
I'd rather not have to travel half way round the globe for such justice, I'd be open to Saudi style justice in Ireland
Apparently ISIS were big on that kind of justice as well. I remember when normal people thought it barbaric. Times change I guess.
There comes a point when you have to fight fire with fire, barbarity with more barbarity. "Normal" people can only be pushed so far before they break. break and become far right islamaphobes 🤦
Do you say this because you think it's some kind of feeble insult to call someone "far right"? Fewer and fewer people are giving two shits what limp-wristed lefties think on this matter, which is why Europe is lurching to the right. Decent human beings get angry when cultist muslims murder en masse and want to something about it. Tolerance and integration techniques don't seem to be working very well, do they? i were been sarcastic as thats what you end up been called when your sick of what is happening and going to get worse "
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I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders "
Just take a moment to think about a public execution.
Apart from the act itself (regardless of whether it is justified or not), what sort of message do you feel it conveys to the citizenry who witness the act ?
Do you agree that it would cause some mental harm and trauma ? Witnessing state-sponsored murder in public ?
Should a state cause abject and deliberate harm to its citizens, regardless of their innocence ? Would you make another human being (let's say an adult), witness the execution of another ? Is this a "good message" to convey to your people ?
Does it engender positivity or fear, is what it boils down to. Justice may have been done, but what lingering message is left ? What additional harm and trauma has been caused because of it ? Was that harm and trauma really necessary ? And why ?
I have yet to see compelling evidence that the death penalty drastically reduces the most heinous of crimes. Because irrational crimes by irrational people cannot be prevented. Mitigated and defended against perhaps, but the threat of death does not prevent the crime, no more than putting a sign in the Lion enclosure that eating humans will result in the Lions being shot. |
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I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Just take a moment to think about a public execution.
Apart from the act itself (regardless of whether it is justified or not), what sort of message do you feel it conveys to the citizenry who witness the act ?
Do you agree that it would cause some mental harm and trauma ? Witnessing state-sponsored murder in public ?
Should a state cause abject and deliberate harm to its citizens, regardless of their innocence ? Would you make another human being (let's say an adult), witness the execution of another ? Is this a "good message" to convey to your people ?
Does it engender positivity or fear, is what it boils down to. Justice may have been done, but what lingering message is left ? What additional harm and trauma has been caused because of it ? Was that harm and trauma really necessary ? And why ?
I have yet to see compelling evidence that the death penalty drastically reduces the most heinous of crimes. Because irrational crimes by irrational people cannot be prevented. Mitigated and defended against perhaps, but the threat of death does not prevent the crime, no more than putting a sign in the Lion enclosure that eating humans will result in the Lions being shot."
let’s think of the victims the loss of life why should the perpetrators get to live the rest of there lives and paid for through taxes from the victim’s families that not justice death penalty all day for me victims first |
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let’s think of the victims the loss of life why should the perpetrators get to live the rest of there lives and paid for through taxes from the victim’s families that not justice death penalty all day for me victims first "
If I was a victim and a loved one was murdered, executing the murderer in public
a. Doesn't bring the loved one back
b. Doesn't satisfy any sense of revenge as I'm not a vengeful person
c. Only causes harm to some who witness and/or perform the execution.
Pointless for many at least. C is the big one for me. |
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let’s think of the victims the loss of life why should the perpetrators get to live the rest of there lives and paid for through taxes from the victim’s families that not justice death penalty all day for me victims first
If I was a victim and a loved one was murdered, executing the murderer in public
a. Doesn't bring the loved one back
b. Doesn't satisfy any sense of revenge as I'm not a vengeful person
c. Only causes harm to some who witness and/or perform the execution.
Pointless for many at least. C is the big one for me."
The Palestinians were cheering in their streets when the Israelis were getting butchered
And the world has stood idly by, while witnessing Israel dropping 80,000 tonnes of USA supplied bombs to kill 30,000 odd Palestinian women and children. |
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let’s think of the victims the loss of life why should the perpetrators get to live the rest of there lives and paid for through taxes from the victim’s families that not justice death penalty all day for me victims first
If I was a victim and a loved one was murdered, executing the murderer in public
a. Doesn't bring the loved one back
b. Doesn't satisfy any sense of revenge as I'm not a vengeful person
c. Only causes harm to some who witness and/or perform the execution.
Pointless for many at least. C is the big one for me."
if you dint want ti witness someone being executed dont watch, myself if someone murderd one of my family id be more than happy to flick the swtch or pull the lever |
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I'm open to the idea of public executions for murders, rapists and pedophiles, and harsh penalties for other persistent repeat offenders
Just take a moment to think about a public execution.
Apart from the act itself (regardless of whether it is justified or not), what sort of message do you feel it conveys to the citizenry who witness the act ?
Do you agree that it would cause some mental harm and trauma ? Witnessing state-sponsored murder in public ?
Should a state cause abject and deliberate harm to its citizens, regardless of their innocence ? Would you make another human being (let's say an adult), witness the execution of another ? Is this a "good message" to convey to your people ?
Does it engender positivity or fear, is what it boils down to. Justice may have been done, but what lingering message is left ? What additional harm and trauma has been caused because of it ? Was that harm and trauma really necessary ? And why ?
I have yet to see compelling evidence that the death penalty drastically reduces the most heinous of crimes. Because irrational crimes by irrational people cannot be prevented. Mitigated and defended against perhaps, but the threat of death does not prevent the crime, no more than putting a sign in the Lion enclosure that eating humans will result in the Lions being shot."
it gives the public and loved ones the sense that punishment is been served to the evil twats that have taken friends family or loved ones away from them, providing they were 100% without a shadow of a doubt guilty then im all for it |
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"I read yesterday that the Germans have this murderer stamped as anti Islam. That he has thousands of followers on social media, and is actually an Islamophobe.."
I think that's a very convenient and inaccurate narrative. It seems more accurate to say the terrorist was obsessed with inter-Islamic sectarian conflicts, as so many immigrants from the Middle East are, and he carried those conflicts to a murderous conclusion. The question for European societies is what is the logic of adding millions of people who are obsessed, and often violently so, with the politics and religion of the places they've come from but have no commitment to the social wellbeing of the countries which have given them safety and a livelihood. |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
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Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck? |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck?"
maybe the numbers are higher in france as they're quite a large number there queing for the ferries across to island of freebies |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck?"
France has the largest Muslim population in Europe, also perhaps the least integrated/most disenfranchised? |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck?"
‘France is a specific case and the choice of so many violent Islamists due to a mix of toxic ingredients, both domestic and external, related to the country’s relationship with Muslims and the Muslim world.
Islamists often claim that France is a legitimate target due to its long history of interventions in the Muslim world, particularly the Middle East and North Africa’
(Centre for Geopolitics and security in realism studies)
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"On the one hand we have right wing parties saying we can’t be racist as we have Muslim supporters. Now we are told this terrorist can’t be a supporter of a right wing party because he’s a Muslim."
no itsbeen said because we know anybody with "right wing" beliefs or ideology would never drive through a christian xmas market, thats like saying a skin head from newcastle called steve that blows a mosque up is a heavily devoted islamist
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck?maybe the numbers are higher in france as they're quite a large number there queing for the ferries across to island of freebies "
Two main reasons.
- France has a higher Islamic population.
- Unlike other European countries like the UK or Denmark which have bent over to Islamists, France doesn't have any blasphemy laws yet. You can still draw the forbidden picture, burn the holy book or do anything that Islamists don't like without getting arrested in the name "hate speech" or "inciting violence"
So many people actually did these things, which pisses off the Islamic extremists who respond with violence. Charlie Hebdo, Samuel Paty, etc. |
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You can still draw the forbidden picture, burn the holy book or do anything that Islamists don't like without getting arrested in the name "hate speech" or "inciting violence"
So many people actually did these things, which pisses off the Islamic extremists who respond with violence. Charlie Hebdo, Samuel Paty, etc."
Eight Muslims murdered Paty
Muslims murdered 12 at Charlie Hebdo
So no you can’t really say what you like about the prophet without the risk of losing your life. Like it says in the Quran slay the disbelievers |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck?maybe the numbers are higher in france as they're quite a large number there queing for the ferries across to island of freebies
Two main reasons.
- France has a higher Islamic population.
- Unlike other European countries like the UK or Denmark which have bent over to Islamists, France doesn't have any blasphemy laws yet. You can still draw the forbidden picture, burn the holy book or do anything that Islamists don't like without getting arrested in the name "hate speech" or "inciting violence"
So many people actually did these things, which pisses off the Islamic extremists who respond with violence. Charlie Hebdo, Samuel Paty, etc."
Denmark only very reluctantly accepted asylum seekers under arm twisting by the EU. But unlike the UK, Denmark effectively created ghettos of Muslims which bred disaffection and isolation. The UK isn't perfect, but minority communities are far better integrated, and far fewer invisible barriers to advancement. |
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let’s think of the victims the loss of life why should the perpetrators get to live the rest of there lives and paid for through taxes from the victim’s families that not justice death penalty all day for me victims first
If I was a victim and a loved one was murdered, executing the murderer in public
a. Doesn't bring the loved one back
b. Doesn't satisfy any sense of revenge as I'm not a vengeful person
c. Only causes harm to some who witness and/or perform the execution.
Pointless for many at least. C is the big one for me."
yes I can imagine it not satisfying you but it would be the only thing that would satisfy me even better if I was the doing it but we are definitely cut from diffrent cloth thankfully |
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While all of the above is true we can't bury our heads in the sand and pretend that a small percentage of people in Europe are not responsible for the overwhelming amount of terror inflicted on civilians. One only has to count the amount of deaths on European streets at the hands of people who believe in Islam or come from Islamic countries.
Wiki says at least 48,035 Islamist terrorist attacks took place worldwide, causing the deaths of at least 210,138 people since 1979.
82 Islamist attacks and 332 deaths; France remains the country most affected by Islamist terrorism within the European Union.
Is there a reason why France has suffered worse. Is there bad history that makes France a top target or is it simply random bad luck?maybe the numbers are higher in france as they're quite a large number there queing for the ferries across to island of freebies
Two main reasons.
- France has a higher Islamic population.
- Unlike other European countries like the UK or Denmark which have bent over to Islamists, France doesn't have any blasphemy laws yet. You can still draw the forbidden picture, burn the holy book or do anything that Islamists don't like without getting arrested in the name "hate speech" or "inciting violence"
So many people actually did these things, which pisses off the Islamic extremists who respond with violence. Charlie Hebdo, Samuel Paty, etc.
Denmark only very reluctantly accepted asylum seekers under arm twisting by the EU. But unlike the UK, Denmark effectively created ghettos of Muslims which bred disaffection and isolation. The UK isn't perfect, but minority communities are far better integrated, and far fewer invisible barriers to advancement."
Denmark recently passed laws banning burning of religious books in public places.
As for integration, I don't think British Muslims are better integrated. We just had an election where 5 independent candidates winning purely based on religious sectarianism. The fact that a fraud like Luftur Rahman got re-elected as Mayor for Tower Hamlets should tell you how well integration is going on. |
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"On the one hand we have right wing parties saying we can’t be racist as we have Muslim supporters. Now we are told this terrorist can’t be a supporter of a right wing party because he’s a Muslim."
Surely he's an unhinged guy with an axe to grind. He's not a classic right wing supporter, but has a limited intersection of beliefs with them where it comes to some issues around Muslims.
Much like how many zealously religious Muslims and rainbow-haired queer socialists march together - one is a right wing religious group and the other is a left wing anti-religion-control group. But they'll march together when their beliefs intersect on a single issue.
As in the above example, this was more a case of my enemy's enemy... |
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