"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow "
I personally believe he was voted in by new young voters with no experience of previous labour rule. However, they are all as bad as each of the other parties |
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" he as done it again now he has cancelled the wassbe womens money"
There never was any money for the waspi women. He can't have cancelled it. the last government refused to promise it, this government has refused to deliver it. |
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Why some of you folks voted for Keir Starmer the Farmer Harmer I will never know but to those who don't like him please sign the petition for another election. Obviously I'm not saying it's likely to happen anytime soon but the more signatures we can get I think at some point it might have to be put into consideration to show how much people are disgruntled with this government. |
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" he as done it again now he has cancelled the wassbe womens money
There never was any money for the waspi women. He can't have cancelled it. the last government refused to promise it, this government has refused to deliver it."
The issue is not whether the money was there or not, but another example of 2 Tier’s flip-flopping on just about every issue to win votes and then doing a reverse ferret when called on to do what he said he was going to in opposition. It goes to his credibility, or rather his lack of it (along with charisma). |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow "
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.  |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us. "
It’s as if Reeves the Economist (economical with the truth perhaps the only economy she understands) had never heard of the Laffer curve. Anyway, the net result is Gesture Politics 1: Exchequer 0.
WYSIWYG in British politics. Labour will bankrupt the economy worshipping at the altar of a dysfunctional healthcare system while the Tories rip themselves apart and forget to govern. Same old same old. |
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Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women? |
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?"
Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs? The Tories are saying that they also wouldn't have paid compensation, but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to. |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us. "
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides 
It was very easy to survive 14 years of Tory rule even though it included Brexit, Covid years, Breakout of war in Ukraine and price of oil shooting up,
14 years will be a walk in the park compared to 4 years of incompetent Labour |
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?
Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs? "
The same people that did the rest of my post |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
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I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?"
"Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs?"
"The same people that did the rest of my post"
And who were they? |
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"We should also probably ask ,do the taxpayer want to pay 10 billion to all the Waspi women for a small % who didn't get a letter in time to tell them their pension rights had changed? "
Nope. Not in the slightest. |
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By *ugby 123Couple 4 days ago
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?
Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs?
The same people that did the rest of my post
And who were they?"
Can you not figure it out after reading the question? |
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to."
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
If they said they were going to pay out then I can understand people being upset I can also understand that we look to have been left in a right mess so some things are going to have to be shelved. We all knew before the election that some tough decisions may be being made..
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?"
"Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs?"
"The same people that did the rest of my post"
"And who were they?"
"Can you not figure it out after reading the question?"
No.
It's not the Tories, as they are saying that they wouldn't pay compensation either. And it's not Labour, who used to pretend to be with the WASPIs, but have now stopped pretending. So who's left? |
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By *ugby 123Couple 4 days ago
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?
Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs?
The same people that did the rest of my post
And who were they?
Can you not figure it out after reading the question?
No.
It's not the Tories, as they are saying that they wouldn't pay compensation either. And it's not Labour, who used to pretend to be with the WASPIs, but have now stopped pretending. So who's left?"
That is covered in "refused to implement the findings of the report"
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to."
"Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?"
Individual shadow ministers said that they would pay out, but I'm not aware of an official Labour policy to do so.
But Labour certainly criticised the Tories for not sorting out the issue, and said that Tory inaction was reprehensible. I can see why WASPIs might have come to the conclusion that Labour was on their side. |
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?"
"Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs?"
"The same people that did the rest of my post"
"And who were they?"
"Can you not figure it out after reading the question?"
"No.
It's not the Tories, as they are saying that they wouldn't pay compensation either. And it's not Labour, who used to pretend to be with the WASPIs, but have now stopped pretending. So who's left?"
"That is covered in "refused to implement the findings of the report""
I hope everyone else is following this, because I haven't a clue what you are trying to say, or why you're being so coy about naming them.
So I'll ask again - Who, today, is pretending to be on the side of the WASPIs? |
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By *ugby 123Couple 4 days ago
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"Can I ask who caused the WASPI crisis, commissioned the report on the WASPI crisis, refused to implement the findings of the report, left it for the next government and are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women?
Who's pretending to be in the side of the WASPIs?
The same people that did the rest of my post
And who were they?
Can you not figure it out after reading the question?
No.
It's not the Tories, as they are saying that they wouldn't pay compensation either. And it's not Labour, who used to pretend to be with the WASPIs, but have now stopped pretending. So who's left?
That is covered in "refused to implement the findings of the report"
I hope everyone else is following this, because I haven't a clue what you are trying to say, or why you're being so coy about naming them.
So I'll ask again - Who, today, is pretending to be on the side of the WASPIs?"
I am not being "coy" I was assuming you knew who I was talking about and just trying to be obtuse
The people I was talking about were the Tories. If you couldn't figure that out then I would be very surprised |
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to.
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
Individual shadow ministers said that they would pay out, but I'm not aware of an official Labour policy to do so.
But Labour certainly criticised the Tories for not sorting out the issue, and said that Tory inaction was reprehensible. I can see why WASPIs might have come to the conclusion that Labour was on their side."
Inaction can mean not making an announcement of what they had decided to do. Maybe they hadn't decided before the calling of the election.
The decision has now had to be made rather than leave people still hoping.
There were and still is MP's on the Waspi women side, they don't always get to make the decisions though  |
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"The people I was talking about were the Tories. If you couldn't figure that out then I would be very surprised"
That's what I thought, and said so in my first reply. But the Tories aren't pretending to be on the side of the WASPIs. Several have been interviewed today, and they've all said that they also wouldn't be paying compensation.
What have you heard that makes you think the Tories are trying to support them? |
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to.
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
If they said they were going to pay out then I can understand people being upset I can also understand that we look to have been left in a right mess so some things are going to have to be shelved. We all knew before the election that some tough decisions may be being made..
I am not saying it is what people wanted but someone has to pay for anything paid out."
This quote covered by the BBC article may have contributed to the WASPI women thing Labour were on their side : Before this year's general election, several senior Labour figures had backed the campaign and Sir Keir himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022 |
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By *ugby 123Couple 4 days ago
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"The people I was talking about were the Tories. If you couldn't figure that out then I would be very surprised
That's what I thought, and said so in my first reply. But the Tories aren't pretending to be on the side of the WASPIs. Several have been interviewed today, and they've all said that they also wouldn't be paying compensation.
What have you heard that makes you think the Tories are trying to support them?"
You seem to be picking out things in my post that are not there.
I said "are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women" It didn't say the Tories said they would now pay out although if you say Tory MP's are saying they wouldn't be paying out, they would have to be in power to make that decision so it is all relative
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to.
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
If they said they were going to pay out then I can understand people being upset I can also understand that we look to have been left in a right mess so some things are going to have to be shelved. We all knew before the election that some tough decisions may be being made..
I am not saying it is what people wanted but someone has to pay for anything paid out.
This quote covered by the BBC article may have contributed to the WASPI women thing Labour were on their side : Before this year's general election, several senior Labour figures had backed the campaign and Sir Keir himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022"
This is the only one I have found up to now. I am sure there will be more.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conservatives-refuse-compensation-waspi-b2517772.html
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"You seem to be picking out things in my post that are not there.
I said "are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women" "
There's obviously some nuance in your language that I'm not picking up on.
So what have you heard a Tory say that might suggest that they are pretending to be on the side of the WASPIs? |
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Why don't they print more money to cover it, after all the Ombudsman said they qualify for compensation.
Labour are on a cliff edge over the principle and it's the principle that's at the core of this. Votes are evaporating. |
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to.
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
If they said they were going to pay out then I can understand people being upset I can also understand that we look to have been left in a right mess so some things are going to have to be shelved. We all knew before the election that some tough decisions may be being made..
I am not saying it is what people wanted but someone has to pay for anything paid out.
This quote covered by the BBC article may have contributed to the WASPI women thing Labour were on their side : Before this year's general election, several senior Labour figures had backed the campaign and Sir Keir himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022
This is the only one I have found up to now. I am sure there will be more.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conservatives-refuse-compensation-waspi-b2517772.html
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The BBC quote that SKS himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022. Does this show what his pledge is worth. Why sign it if he had no intention of honouring it. I'm sure I have read that Rayner said similar things, supporting the women while in opposition. Now these two are PM and deputy PM it seems they conveniently forget their pledges. Wether people agree or disagree with compensation levels, the optics are terrible |
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"You seem to be picking out things in my post that are not there.
I said "are now pretending to be on the side of WASPI women"
There's obviously some nuance in your language that I'm not picking up on.
So what have you heard a Tory say that might suggest that they are pretending to be on the side of the WASPIs?"
I don't think so. Going by your posts you assume when I said "on the side" of the women meant that I was implying Tories said they would have paid them the money out. I didn't, so why I have repeated my post again for you to see if re reading it would help you.
I can appreciate you either didn't get my question on the post or didn't like it ( I don't know which ) but it seems pointless keep labouring the point as the post or my view on it is not going to change.
Have a look on socials/ PMQ's / media for peoples comments about what they are saying about their support for WASPI women. You will find lots from lots of people from all walks of life including MP's across the board.
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to.
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
If they said they were going to pay out then I can understand people being upset I can also understand that we look to have been left in a right mess so some things are going to have to be shelved. We all knew before the election that some tough decisions may be being made..
I am not saying it is what people wanted but someone has to pay for anything paid out.
This quote covered by the BBC article may have contributed to the WASPI women thing Labour were on their side : Before this year's general election, several senior Labour figures had backed the campaign and Sir Keir himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022
This is the only one I have found up to now. I am sure there will be more.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conservatives-refuse-compensation-waspi-b2517772.html
The BBC quote that SKS himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022. Does this show what his pledge is worth. Why sign it if he had no intention of honouring it. "
If he did that then I think that is a stupid move, he would be promising something when he doesn't know how it was going to be paid if he became PM.
Lets face it we all knew things were going to be difficult whoever got in and if what they say is right and there is more of a mess than they thought then some tougher decisions have to be made so that is their reasons. I can understand those but it doesn't help the women who think they have been let down if he did promise this.
I am still half and half over this to be honest, one the one hand don't we all get a pension forecast well before you retire? Was the information highlighted anywhere for them to see that they were not going to get a pension at 60 ? I found out about my pension age going up but not sure where from but it wasn't a letter.
A pension is not given automatically , you have to apply some time before ( not sure how much time ) so although that would still be late to find out they would have possibly still been working when they found out.
I know 1k to 3k would be a lot to someone who is on the ropes, but it wouldn't last long and the rest of us would be paying for that for a long while if it was paid out.
Now don't get me wrong, I have always said I am happy to pay more tax to help the country get back on it's feet and I know the women must feel aggrieved that they had their pension took away but if I had a choice where my taxes went to, this wouldn't be one of them.
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"Going by your posts you assume when I said "on the side" of the women meant that I was implying Tories said they would have paid them the money out."
I didn't think that. I took your words "on the side of" as meaning that the Tories were showing some sort of support for the WASPIs. I've not seen or heard a Tory doing that, so I didn't follow your argument.
"I can appreciate you either didn't get my question on the post or didn't like it ( I don't know which )"
I just didn't understand. I'm always happy for people to post things that I don't like, as long as they explain why they think that.
"but it seems pointless keep labouring the point as the post or my view on it is not going to change."
I'm not attempting to change your mind, just to understand it. But I agree that it is clear we don't understand each other, and should just let the matter drop. |
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Name me one thing so far that Keir Starmer has done since his been Prime Minister that people can give him credit for? Even Mary Truss who I definitely wasn't a fan off did more in 6 weeks with the energy price guarantee which was a lot of help at the time |
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" but that the WASPIs are right to be annoyed that Labour said they would pay, but have chosen not to.
Did they say before the election that they were going to pay out or look into the report?
If they said they were going to pay out then I can understand people being upset I can also understand that we look to have been left in a right mess so some things are going to have to be shelved. We all knew before the election that some tough decisions may be being made..
I am not saying it is what people wanted but someone has to pay for anything paid out.
This quote covered by the BBC article may have contributed to the WASPI women thing Labour were on their side : Before this year's general election, several senior Labour figures had backed the campaign and Sir Keir himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022
This is the only one I have found up to now. I am sure there will be more.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-conservatives-refuse-compensation-waspi-b2517772.html
The BBC quote that SKS himself signed a pledge for "fair and fast compensation" in 2022. Does this show what his pledge is worth. Why sign it if he had no intention of honouring it.
If he did that then I think that is a stupid move, he would be promising something when he doesn't know how it was going to be paid if he became PM.
Lets face it we all knew things were going to be difficult whoever got in and if what they say is right and there is more of a mess than they thought then some tougher decisions have to be made so that is their reasons. I can understand those but it doesn't help the women who think they have been let down if he did promise this.
I am still half and half over this to be honest, one the one hand don't we all get a pension forecast well before you retire? Was the information highlighted anywhere for them to see that they were not going to get a pension at 60 ? I found out about my pension age going up but not sure where from but it wasn't a letter.
A pension is not given automatically , you have to apply some time before ( not sure how much time ) so although that would still be late to find out they would have possibly still been working when they found out.
I know 1k to 3k would be a lot to someone who is on the ropes, but it wouldn't last long and the rest of us would be paying for that for a long while if it was paid out.
Now don't get me wrong, I have always said I am happy to pay more tax to help the country get back on it's feet and I know the women must feel aggrieved that they had their pension took away but if I had a choice where my taxes went to, this wouldn't be one of them.
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I'm afraid it is a matter of fact that he signed the pledge. I believe the now deputy PM also supported the WASPI women. The thing is this was done when in opposition when they saw an opportunity to attack the government at the time. Now they are in government themselves they go back on everything. My post was not about the WASPI claims themselves, though I see the investigation found the government to be at fault, but the way that SKS and co said anything to get into office but now not so keen on honouring their own words. |
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Now they are in government themselves they go back on everything. My post was not about the WASPI claims themselves, though I see the investigation found the government to be at fault, but the way that SKS and co said anything to get into office but now not so keen on honouring their own words."
This has happened before with previous elections.It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting.
In this case though to be fair he hasn't gone back on everything ( yet anyway , who knows what's going to happen )
I appreciate you were only discussing that point and I also understand if people are upset at how it was done but the reasons why they have decided they can't pay out as the country is in more of a mess than they thought then I can understand why they are not paying out.
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Considering that starmer is on a DPP pension of over a million tax free, I would of expected him to grant the compensation.
As Diane Abbot stated on news night last night he has no feelings and is out of touch with the electorate. |
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"Considering that starmer is on a DPP pension of over a million tax free, I would of expected him to grant the compensation.
As Diane Abbot stated on news night last night he has no feelings and is out of touch with the electorate."
She also said she wasn't aware of the increase in the change in the pension age.
She has been an MP since 1987 so I think she is being a bit disingenuous with her comments. She has never recovered from the fact her friend was no longer wanted as leader. |
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"Considering that starmer is on a DPP pension of over a million tax free, I would of expected him to grant the compensation.
As Diane Abbot stated on news night last night he has no feelings and is out of touch with the electorate.
She also said she wasn't aware of the increase in the change in the pension age.
She has been an MP since 1987 so I think she is being a bit disingenuous with her comments. She has never recovered from the fact her friend was no longer wanted as leader."
More like starmer tried to remove her and failed. |
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"Considering that starmer is on a DPP pension of over a million tax free, I would of expected him to grant the compensation.
As Diane Abbot stated on news night last night he has no feelings and is out of touch with the electorate.
She also said she wasn't aware of the increase in the change in the pension age.
She has been an MP since 1987 so I think she is being a bit disingenuous with her comments. She has never recovered from the fact her friend was no longer wanted as leader.
More like starmer tried to remove her and failed."
If she didn't know about the change in pension age whilst she was a sitting MP maybe he had a point. Lets be honest the majority of the women effected by it knew it so either she is lying or she was incompetent. |
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"Considering that starmer is on a DPP pension of over a million tax free, I would of expected him to grant the compensation.
As Diane Abbot stated on news night last night he has no feelings and is out of touch with the electorate.
She also said she wasn't aware of the increase in the change in the pension age.
She has been an MP since 1987 so I think she is being a bit disingenuous with her comments. She has never recovered from the fact her friend was no longer wanted as leader.
More like starmer tried to remove her and failed.
If she didn't know about the change in pension age whilst she was a sitting MP maybe he had a point. Lets be honest the majority of the women effected by it knew it so either she is lying or she was incompetent."
Well she is a labour M.P so fits in nicely with what you have said. |
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"Name me one thing so far that Keir Starmer has done since his been Prime Minister that people can give him credit for? Even Mary Truss who I definitely wasn't a fan off did more in 6 weeks with the energy price guarantee which was a lot of help at the time
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I have found a few for you, two which were announced today. You do have to dig out the others though as the media don't seem to be reporting much of it.
"Today we're investing a record £1.6bn to fill seven million more potholes next year"
"Today we’re announcing the biggest boost to GP funding for years - an extra £889 million! This, combined with reform, will deliver a better experience for patients and relief for GPs"
£1bn for homelessness
Renters Rights
£6bn buy back forces housing
13,500 people deported
Online Safety Bill drafted
Rail/buses
Settling strikes
Taxing rich landowners
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£6bn buy back forces housing
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The Conservative government sold 57,400 MOD houses to Annington for £1.7bn in 1996, making the company the biggest residential property owner in England and Wales.
The MoD then rented back the homes on a 200-year lease at a discount and paid Annington £25M annually for maintenance and refurbishment, including maintenance on another 10,000 empty MOD homes they retained (see bbc or other article) these remained as long term empty homes while housing homeless and asylum in expensive hotels
Add it all up and huge cost and wasted resource. Tax payers trousers pulled down again |
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Now they are in government themselves they go back on everything. My post was not about the WASPI claims themselves, though I see the investigation found the government to be at fault, but the way that SKS and co said anything to get into office but now not so keen on honouring their own words.
This has happened before with previous elections.It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting.
In this case though to be fair he hasn't gone back on everything ( yet anyway , who knows what's going to happen )
I appreciate you were only discussing that point and I also understand if people are upset at how it was done but the reasons why they have decided they can't pay out as the country is in more of a mess than they thought then I can understand why they are not paying out.
If he knew everything about the state of the finances before the election then I would be thinking differently."
He has clearly gone back on this subject from what he said when in opposition and seeing an opportunity to attack the government at the time. This, like many things is very bad optics and fuels the thought that Labour said anything to get into office. As you say it can put people of voting altogether. Making the pledge without knowing the financial situation he would inherit is another foolish thing. How can he promise in the first place. He can't have it both ways. Thank you for trimming down the post. Unfortunately you snipped the first part of what I last posted so have added it below :
I'm afraid it is a matter of fact that he signed the pledge. I believe the now deputy PM also supported the WASPI women. The thing is this was done when in opposition when they saw an opportunity to attack the government at the time
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud"
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million "
I think you maybe living in a bubble if you think most people have a million in house and savings. |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million
I think you maybe living in a bubble if you think most people have a million in house and savings."
The ONS reports the average wealth of a Briton is £192,000. Bolstered by £9trn of residential property value, owned (with and without mortgage) of 19 million homeowners. |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million
I think you maybe living in a bubble if you think most people have a million in house and savings."
I never mentioned house and savings
I mentioned house and company pension. You cannot cash in your pension, you receive annual salary monthly payout |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million
I think you maybe living in a bubble if you think most people have a million in house and savings.
I never mentioned house and savings
I mentioned house and company pension. You cannot cash in your pension, you receive annual salary monthly payout "
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Do you think that the average Brit has a 700k pension pot."
The average pension pot for men is £113,210, for women it's £55,764. Staggeringly low.
The annuity from these sums is a round of drinks at spoons.
And SunLife research says almost 7 million people over 50 in the UK have no private pension (or in a company / pensionable employment/self employment)
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million
I think you maybe living in a bubble if you think most people have a million in house and savings.
I never mentioned house and savings
I mentioned house and company pension. You cannot cash in your pension, you receive annual salary monthly payout
Do you think that the average Brit has a 700k pension pot."
Older pensioners do, those who used to enjoy final salary pensions, many civil service employees receive an average of between £30 - £40k pension per year as well as long serving police, fireservice, and other emergency services.
MP's, MSP's, etc
The average £1 million pension pays £50,000 per year, ofcourse it all depends on age of retirement whether 55, 60, 65, 67 etc
Ofcourse there's many who simply bury their heads in the sand through out employment and think pension age will never come around
Fool on them. |
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"A vile disgusting human being
But ,, the sheep voted for him when people with a brain knew how evil he was
You reap what you sow
OI! Us sheep had lived through 14 years of Conservative mismanagenent and learnt a hard lesson. Why didnt you? The fact that the Conservative ran up massive debt on our credit card so millionaires and non-doms could buy a bigger yacht matters to us.
What Millionaire can afford a large Yaught? Do you know the price of a large Yaught? A million would not brush the sides
I think he may be talking about Michelle Mone
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/jan/26/michelle-mone-assets-frozen-nca-investigates-fraud
There's a difference between a Millionaire and the likes of Michelle Mone with tens of millions.
Let's face it most of us have a £million when home and pension is taken into account but we certainly couldn't afford even the cheapest Yaught.
Apparently she's taking a £3 million drop and selling her Yaught for £7 million
I think you maybe living in a bubble if you think most people have a million in house and savings.
I never mentioned house and savings
I mentioned house and company pension. You cannot cash in your pension, you receive annual salary monthly payout
Do you think that the average Brit has a 700k pension pot.
Older pensioners do, those who used to enjoy final salary pensions, many civil service employees receive an average of between £30 - £40k pension per year as well as long serving police, fireservice, and other emergency services.
MP's, MSP's, etc
The average £1 million pension pays £50,000 per year, ofcourse it all depends on age of retirement whether 55, 60, 65, 67 etc
Ofcourse there's many who simply bury their heads in the sand through out employment and think pension age will never come around
Fool on them."
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Now they are in government themselves they go back on everything. My post was not about the WASPI claims themselves, though I see the investigation found the government to be at fault, but the way that SKS and co said anything to get into office but now not so keen on honouring their own words.
This has happened before with previous elections.It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting.
In this case though to be fair he hasn't gone back on everything ( yet anyway , who knows what's going to happen )
I appreciate you were only discussing that point and I also understand if people are upset at how it was done but the reasons why they have decided they can't pay out as the country is in more of a mess than they thought then I can understand why they are not paying out.
If he knew everything about the state of the finances before the election then I would be thinking differently.
He has clearly gone back on this subject from what he said when in opposition and seeing an opportunity to attack the government at the time. This, like many things is very bad optics and fuels the thought that Labour said anything to get into office. As you say it can put people of voting altogether. Making the pledge without knowing the financial situation he would inherit is another foolish thing. How can he promise in the first place. He can't have it both ways. Thank you for trimming down the post. Unfortunately you snipped the first part of what I last posted so have added it below :
I'm afraid it is a matter of fact that he signed the pledge. I believe the now deputy PM also supported the WASPI women. The thing is this was done when in opposition when they saw an opportunity to attack the government at the time
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Your post said he had gone back on "everything" I pointed out I don't think he had.This is one thing not everything.
I did comment on the bit about going back on what is promised when saying this at the beginning of my post
" This has happened before with previous elections. It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting"
However if I didn't want to answer that part of your post it isn't compulsory for me to.
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Now they are in government themselves they go back on everything. My post was not about the WASPI claims themselves, though I see the investigation found the government to be at fault, but the way that SKS and co said anything to get into office but now not so keen on honouring their own words.
This has happened before with previous elections.It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting.
In this case though to be fair he hasn't gone back on everything ( yet anyway , who knows what's going to happen )
I appreciate you were only discussing that point and I also understand if people are upset at how it was done but the reasons why they have decided they can't pay out as the country is in more of a mess than they thought then I can understand why they are not paying out.
If he knew everything about the state of the finances before the election then I would be thinking differently.
He has clearly gone back on this subject from what he said when in opposition and seeing an opportunity to attack the government at the time. This, like many things is very bad optics and fuels the thought that Labour said anything to get into office. As you say it can put people of voting altogether. Making the pledge without knowing the financial situation he would inherit is another foolish thing. How can he promise in the first place. He can't have it both ways. Thank you for trimming down the post. Unfortunately you snipped the first part of what I last posted so have added it below :
I'm afraid it is a matter of fact that he signed the pledge. I believe the now deputy PM also supported the WASPI women. The thing is this was done when in opposition when they saw an opportunity to attack the government at the time
Your post said he had gone back on "everything" I pointed out I don't think he had.This is one thing not everything.
I did comment on the bit about going back on what is promised when saying this at the beginning of my post
" This has happened before with previous elections. It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting"
However if I didn't want to answer that part of your post it isn't compulsory for me to.
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You are,quite correct, if you don't want to answer that is fine and as you say it is not compulsory for anyone to do so |
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I did comment on the bit about going back on what is promised when saying this at the beginning of my post
" This has happened before with previous elections. It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting"
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"I did comment on the bit about going back on what is promised when saying this at the beginning of my post
" This has happened before with previous elections. It loses trust of voters who then think sod it, it isn't worth voting"
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Yes I saw that in a previous post and responded agreeing with you that politicians breaking promises made while in opposition turn people off and may well not bother voting next time, or what would be worse for the offending party (in my opinion) would be the voters swapping to an alternative party come an election. |
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