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"Wants kicking out of royal family and putting in a job and a normal house. Who's paying for him to live as he does ????" his dirty fucking pedo ring probably | |||
"Prince Andrew, Prince Andrew, ridicule is something you should be scared of..." Adam and the ants  or was it just Adam ant 🤔 | |||
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"Wants kicking out of royal family and putting in a job and a normal house. Who's paying for him to live as he does ????" Putting in a job and a normal house ? He wouldnt survive and we would end up "paying for him" anyway. Keep his pe@do persona and self rightousness well away from me and let him fester in the upper echelons of rejected society. | |||
"Hard to respect a King who told his mistress he would like to be her Tampon" Not heard that one ... | |||
"Prince Andrew, Prince Andrew, ridicule is something you should be scared of...Adam and the ants or was it just Adam ant 🤔"Both at different times | |||
"Hard to respect a King who told his mistress he would like to be her Tampon Not heard that one ..." It was a recorded six minute phone call from 1989 reported in the Sunday Mirror in 1993 | |||
"Hard to respect a King who told his mistress he would like to be her Tampon Not heard that one ... It was a recorded six minute phone call from 1989 reported in the Sunday Mirror in 1993" Jesus Christ ,and No1 dug it up after Lizzy went in a box?? How did he escape that pie to the face? | |||
"Can't understand why ye prop up the world's wealthiest welfare sponges, I mean what do they offer ye??" Monarchy isn’t a choice. Can you seriously imagine the people of Great Britain rebelling over anything? They will #Occupy their sofas and let the rich do whatever they want to them, as long as they don’t get rid of the NHS & EastEnders. | |||
"Can't understand why ye prop up the world's wealthiest welfare sponges, I mean what do they offer ye?? Monarchy isn’t a choice. Can you seriously imagine the people of Great Britain rebelling over anything? They will #Occupy their sofas and let the rich do whatever they want to them, as long as they don’t get rid of the NHS & EastEnders." the 🍊 🐼 is in for another 4 years and with Ken being a wet rags, I think the NHS will be under threat again , | |||
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"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke"  | |||
"Can't understand why ye prop up the world's wealthiest welfare sponges, I mean what do they offer ye??" Me personally nothing. However you only have to watch the crowds outside Buckingham palace when anything happens to a member of the Royal Family, talk to supporters of the monarchy or look at the toadying royal correspondents on the telly to know that they offer a lot to many, many people. It's mostly an illusion perpetuated by propaganda designed to make us believe that the monarch is a selfless, hard working being who has our best interests at heart and understands the common man. Don't get me started on Prince William | |||
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"Not just Andy Coronation £72M, Displaying crown jewels £3bn - £5bn. Christmas Day lecture coming on cost of living. 9 palaces, and £80m cost to taxpayer renovating William and Kate’s mansion £1bn duchy estate renting out mouldy homes illegally, while Prince William draws £6M salary Time to get rid of these leaches " Well said | |||
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"Can we afford any of them , how many of them do we pay for, has the respect gone ? " £86.3M annual sovereign grant ( £31m in 2009). Has increased every year through austerity. Time to fuck them off | |||
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"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke" How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? | |||
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"Can't understand why ye prop up the world's wealthiest welfare sponges, I mean what do they offer ye??" Every nation has something that the majority would like to bin off, you have the Catholic church.. | |||
"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..?" A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. | |||
"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. " Cheers.. I don't ever think it'll happen but it would be interesting to see the furore from the other elements of the establishment like religion who might see something similar heading their way.. | |||
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"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. " We've been told we shouldn't allow the electorate to make decisions on behalf of the country via referendums. Oddly, by the very people who'd like to abolish the monarchy  | |||
"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. Cheers.. I don't ever think it'll happen but it would be interesting to see the furore from the other elements of the establishment like religion who might see something similar heading their way.."  . I doubt it will ever happen. There are too many people who need the establishment. It would only be replaced by something almost as bad anyway. I admit to being a bit indifferent to it all myself mainly because I'm not sure the alternative would be better. | |||
"There's no real appetite for a republic though. Work is underway to present William and Kate as the ideal future King and Queen and it's working. Charles reign will obviously be shorter than his mother's so there probably won't be enough time for it to get stale and any further out of touch than it already is. People like to think there's someone better than them in charge. If only there was..." I think they are definitely trying to relaunch the brand..
More similar to some of the Scandinavian models.. | |||
"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. Cheers.. I don't ever think it'll happen but it would be interesting to see the furore from the other elements of the establishment like religion who might see something similar heading their way.. . I doubt it will ever happen. There are too many people who need the establishment. It would only be replaced by something almost as bad anyway. I admit to being a bit indifferent to it all myself mainly because I'm not sure the alternative would be better. "Ditto, it's been here long before any of us and it'll still be here in some form when we are all dust.. | |||
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"He needs to be exiled from the Royal Family permanently, there can be no going back on it now " I think moves are underfoot to sideline him anyway. He was excluded from the queen's jubilee and all KC3 has to do is not be 'at home' to him and not invite him to various occasions. Watch out for the Christmas day public showing of the happy family at Sandringham. If he's there he's still in favour. | |||
"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. Cheers.. I don't ever think it'll happen but it would be interesting to see the furore from the other elements of the establishment like religion who might see something similar heading their way.. . I doubt it will ever happen. There are too many people who need the establishment. It would only be replaced by something almost as bad anyway. I admit to being a bit indifferent to it all myself mainly because I'm not sure the alternative would be better.
Ditto, it's been here long before any of us and it'll still be here in some form when we are all dust.."Yep. I recently remarked that things have changed very little since the Tudor court. Only now you're more likely to keep your head and neck connected. | |||
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"There's no real appetite for a republic though. Work is underway to present William and Kate as the ideal future King and Queen and it's working. Charles reign will obviously be shorter than his mother's so there probably won't be enough time for it to get stale and any further out of touch than it already is. People like to think there's someone better than them in charge. If only there was... I think they are definitely trying to relaunch the brand..
More similar to some of the Scandinavian models.."Yes. William and Kate are really trying hard to be 'of the people'. William in particular can have no idea bless his little bald patch | |||
"Get rid of all the royal family there a joke How? Not necessarily disagreeing but how..? A referendum well two and an act of parliament as I understand it. One referendum to decide on becoming a republic then another to decide how to elect a head of state. Cheers.. I don't ever think it'll happen but it would be interesting to see the furore from the other elements of the establishment like religion who might see something similar heading their way.. . I doubt it will ever happen. There are too many people who need the establishment. It would only be replaced by something almost as bad anyway. I admit to being a bit indifferent to it all myself mainly because I'm not sure the alternative would be better.
Ditto, it's been here long before any of us and it'll still be here in some form when we are all dust..
Yep. I recently remarked that things have changed very little since the Tudor court. Only now you're more likely to keep your head and neck connected. "Us pesky peasants are less subservient and forgiving of some of the shenanigans that they like any powerful cartel get up to.. | |||
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Remember this person has to represent us all not our political winners .
Any prime minister for the last 40 years put along side Queen Elizabeth 2 would be an embarrassment in comparison.
The monarchy also enforces our ridiculous class system which stifles a lot of opportunities for the less well off so it does need reining in! | |||
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 . Why, oh why?!
The fact that people like him can have our laws bent, to suit their needs, all in secret, is abhorrent.
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"There's no real appetite for a republic though. Work is underway to present William and Kate as the ideal future King and Queen and it's working. Charles reign will obviously be shorter than his mother's so there probably won't be enough time for it to get stale and any further out of touch than it already is. People like to think there's someone better than them in charge. If only there was..." Buckingham Palace would make a nice air BnB | |||
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"Can we afford any of them , how many of them do we pay for, has the respect gone ? £86.3M annual sovereign grant ( £31m in 2009). Has increased every year through austerity. Time to fuck them off " | |||
"I was amazed to hear that GB taxpayers are going to pick up the tab for a statue for the queen that they want to plant in London. There is a 49,000,000£ budget for it. A lot of RACC problems fixed or tower blocks reclad properly for that kind of investment. Can we afford any of them , how many of them do we pay for, has the respect gone ? £86.3M annual sovereign grant ( £31m in 2009). Has increased every year through austerity. Time to fuck them off " | |||
"There's no real appetite for a republic though. Work is underway to present William and Kate as the ideal future King and Queen and it's working. Charles reign will obviously be shorter than his mother's so there probably won't be enough time for it to get stale and any further out of touch than it already is. People like to think there's someone better than them in charge. If only there was..." Who would we have as a Constitutional Head? A Trump, Putin, Xi. Jong-Un? I'd say there are enough self-serving despots in the world without the UK bringing another. The RF do their job admirably, they are loyal, hard working and caring. Why change? | |||
"There's no real appetite for a republic though. Work is underway to present William and Kate as the ideal future King and Queen and it's working. Charles reign will obviously be shorter than his mother's so there probably won't be enough time for it to get stale and any further out of touch than it already is. People like to think there's someone better than them in charge. If only there was... Who would we have as a Constitutional Head? A Trump, Putin, Xi. Jong-Un? I'd say there are enough self-serving despots in the world without the UK bringing another. The RF do their job admirably, they are loyal, hard working and caring. Why change?" Are they any more loyal, hard working and caring than a lot of the rest of us? I'm neither for them nor against them but the publicity doesn't match the reality in my opinion and never has | |||
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"There's no real appetite for a republic though. Work is underway to present William and Kate as the ideal future King and Queen and it's working. Charles reign will obviously be shorter than his mother's so there probably won't be enough time for it to get stale and any further out of touch than it already is. People like to think there's someone better than them in charge. If only there was... Who would we have as a Constitutional Head? A Trump, Putin, Xi. Jong-Un? I'd say there are enough self-serving despots in the world without the UK bringing another. The RF do their job admirably, they are loyal, hard working and caring. Why change? Are they any more loyal, hard working and caring than a lot of the rest of us? I'm neither for them nor against them but the publicity doesn't match the reality in my opinion and never has " Probably yes, judging from the negativity we hear from a large percentage of the population. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy" That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. " Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ?" I don't know how much revenue his coronation generated but however much it was none of it benefited me as far as I can see. I have no idea how you'd quantify this but might it have had a positive effect on our national identity or our reputation in the world? | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ?" Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. | |||
" I have no idea how you'd quantify this but might it have had a positive effect on our national identity or our reputation in the world?" A lot of countries eg France, USA, UAE, China seem to manage without a monarchy | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. " I still think such things should be continued but given the wealth they have as a firm, certainly Charles could have gone Dutch with the state on the cost for his coronation.. They are rare events in any case and a gesture like that would go a long way .. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. " They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. | |||
" I have no idea how you'd quantify this but might it have had a positive effect on our national identity or our reputation in the world? A lot of countries eg France, USA, UAE, China seem to manage without a monarchy" Yes but that doesn't mean our monarchy doesn't have a positive effect in some respects. | |||
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"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ?" Yes, given it only happens once every 30-70 years. I saw that the average presidential inauguration costs $100 million and happens every 4 years. So not having some dodgy retread politico president saves around £300 million over twenty years. Presidential election is probably going to be another £100 million every 4 years. Having a president isn’t going to be cheaper than the RF. | |||
"It would be interesting to see the result of an abolishment referendum. " Imagine the propaganda! Buses with £72 million promised to the NHS for one side and a gold coach and horses with vote Charlie written on it for the otner. | |||
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"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. " I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. " yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. " How much has been lost to the treasury from their exemption from inheritance tax? | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. How much has been lost to the treasury from their exemption from inheritance tax?" they have above average wronguns in the family total lowlifes any normal family would disown them but that shower of shit protect them it’s disgusting | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. How much has been lost to the treasury from their exemption from inheritance tax?" They don't pay IHT on things they don't own, The Crown estate is held by the nation. Historical buildings are heritage sites and held by charities. The personal properties they own are exempt from IHT, as the value of that property and tax owing would simply break the monarchy upon death. If we look at the income deposit of 75% from the Crown estate each year, and that started back in 1760, I think it is safe to say we should have covered more than the IHT lost on the private properties. I did have a Google on how much has been paid into the treasury over the last 10 years, it was £4 Billion. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. How much has been lost to the treasury from their exemption from inheritance tax? They don't pay IHT on things they don't own, The Crown estate is held by the nation. Historical buildings are heritage sites and held by charities. The personal properties they own are exempt from IHT, as the value of that property and tax owing would simply break the monarchy upon death. If we look at the income deposit of 75% from the Crown estate each year, and that started back in 1760, I think it is safe to say we should have covered more than the IHT lost on the private properties. I did have a Google on how much has been paid into the treasury over the last 10 years, it was £4 Billion. " That's kind of my point. They're in their position because we've chosen by various ways and means to keep them there. It's fine for inheritance tax to make it necessary for other families to sell their properties or donate it to the nation but not them. There are many arguments and figures put forward as to the net gain or loss to the nation. I honestly don't know the truth of it | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. How much has been lost to the treasury from their exemption from inheritance tax? They don't pay IHT on things they don't own, The Crown estate is held by the nation. Historical buildings are heritage sites and held by charities. The personal properties they own are exempt from IHT, as the value of that property and tax owing would simply break the monarchy upon death. If we look at the income deposit of 75% from the Crown estate each year, and that started back in 1760, I think it is safe to say we should have covered more than the IHT lost on the private properties. I did have a Google on how much has been paid into the treasury over the last 10 years, it was £4 Billion. That's kind of my point. They're in their position because we've chosen by various ways and means to keep them there. It's fine for inheritance tax to make it necessary for other families to sell their properties or donate it to the nation but not them. There are many arguments and figures put forward as to the net gain or loss to the nation. I honestly don't know the truth of it" We have but we haven't, there is a clear distinction in terms of it is personal property from one sovereign to the next, all other Royals are subject to IHT. However, it could be bypassed as is the right of all citizens by using the 7 year gift, but if the King / Queen died before the 7 years were up, it would then have the potential to bring down the monarchy. It is a safeguard fro our national identity, in my eyes. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day " I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless." that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh " I don't think it's sad at all that the generations who went through the last war, who for a large part of their lives only ever knew the late Queen as their monarch.. Is it any different from those who idolise pop stars, footballers and lately 'influencers and tiktok people '? | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh " I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... | |||
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"Getting it back on track to Andrew.. Through this thread I can see very clearly how his reputation is used to promote the downfall of our Monarchy. It must be in the best interests of the Monarchy to remove him completely from the public eye and any royal duties or privileges. " The monarchy will ruthlessly remove any member if it put it's survival at risk. It's a separate entity from the people within it. | |||
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"Getting it back on track to Andrew.. Through this thread I can see very clearly how his reputation is used to promote the downfall of our Monarchy. It must be in the best interests of the Monarchy to remove him completely from the public eye and any royal duties or privileges. " Back in the day..  | |||
" The personal properties they own are exempt from IHT, as the value of that property and tax owing would simply break the monarchy upon death. " Well is not as if they will be breaking up working farms, so they should pay iht on them. | |||
" The personal properties they own are exempt from IHT, as the value of that property and tax owing would simply break the monarchy upon death. Well is not as if they will be breaking up working farms, so they should pay iht on them. " That one line isn’t the whole story.. all royals are liable to IHT, except reigning sovereign to incoming sovereign. As mentioned, this prevents the collapse of the monarchy, should the reigning sovereign die before the 7 year gift rule was met. | |||
"Getting it back on track to Andrew.. Through this thread I can see very clearly how his reputation is used to promote the downfall of our Monarchy. It must be in the best interests of the Monarchy to remove him completely from the public eye and any royal duties or privileges. Back in the day.. "Indeed, he would not have been a problem many years ago  | |||
"Getting it back on track to Andrew.. Through this thread I can see very clearly how his reputation is used to promote the downfall of our Monarchy. It must be in the best interests of the Monarchy to remove him completely from the public eye and any royal duties or privileges. Back in the day..
Indeed, he would not have been a problem many years ago " he would have been sent to a foreign land and forgotten about unless his head parted company with his neck.
On your comment about your mum taking comfort from the late queen during COVID. I think people underestimate how much of a focus she was and how she had the power to bring people together. I don't think the current monarch has that yet but he might grow in to it | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... " there was no shared experience she’s had the best medical care in history she wasn’t alone over covid but like I said no offence tho | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... there was no shared experience she’s had the best medical care in history she wasn’t alone over covid but like I said no offence tho " If someone believed there was and it gave them comfort none of us should say they're wrong. In my opinion | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... there was no shared experience she’s had the best medical care in history she wasn’t alone over covid but like I said no offence tho " Don’t worry, I haven’t taken offence
It seems you haven’t connected with the idea that shared lived experiences are just that shared. Maybe because you haven’t needed to express a shared experience with another person in a time of compassion or empathy, or perhaps it’s something you don’t hold much value in.
People don’t need to share the exact same circumstances to provide comfort, the medical attention as you mentioned would obviously be different for the Queen, but the uncertainty and worry that medical situations brings is something many can relate to even the Queen.
During such an uncertain time, the Queen symbolised stability and hope for many, especially those who felt vulnerable or isolated. It wasn’t about her personal situation but the reassurance she brought to others over the many years she’s been a part of people’s lives.
My mother deeply respected her, and when the Queen addressed the nation, it felt like a shared experience to her, her words resonated. I have a feeling you may not have heard the address, or perhaps dismissed it as, what would she know? That’s just my impression based on your replies, and I could be way off.
To be honest, it doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t you who needed that extra reassurance, it was my mother. And the Queen provided it, whether you accept that or not.
As you can see, I see value in the Monarchy, it doesn't mean I accept the behaviour of royalty that are not respectful of their privilege, that is a completely different matter. I have yet to find a single person who supports Andrew, the one rotten apple should not be an excuse to abandon the cart. | |||
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"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... there was no shared experience she’s had the best medical care in history she wasn’t alone over covid but like I said no offence tho Don’t worry, I haven’t taken offence
It seems you haven’t connected with the idea that shared lived experiences are just that shared. Maybe because you haven’t needed to express a shared experience with another person in a time of compassion or empathy, or perhaps it’s something you don’t hold much value in.
People don’t need to share the exact same circumstances to provide comfort, the medical attention as you mentioned would obviously be different for the Queen, but the uncertainty and worry that medical situations brings is something many can relate to even the Queen.
During such an uncertain time, the Queen symbolised stability and hope for many, especially those who felt vulnerable or isolated. It wasn’t about her personal situation but the reassurance she brought to others over the many years she’s been a part of people’s lives.
My mother deeply respected her, and when the Queen addressed the nation, it felt like a shared experience to her, her words resonated. I have a feeling you may not have heard the address, or perhaps dismissed it as, what would she know? That’s just my impression based on your replies, and I could be way off.
To be honest, it doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t you who needed that extra reassurance, it was my mother. And the Queen provided it, whether you accept that or not.
As you can see, I see value in the Monarchy, it doesn't mean I accept the behaviour of royalty that are not respectful of their privilege, that is a completely different matter. I have yet to find a single person who supports Andrew, the one rotten apple should not be an excuse to abandon the cart. "I do have compassion that’s why I said I find it sad that she needed the queen for reassurance during a bad time in her life mate my mam luved the queen aswell but I can’t get me head around ppl thinking what she says is reassurance older ppl need that from close family or friends not someone who clearly doesn’t care about them the royals don’t know what alone and scared is they can never feel that I hope ya mam is ok now I’d never offend an older person I think we should look after them way better in the U.K. it’s a fucking disgrace how there tret | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... there was no shared experience she’s had the best medical care in history she wasn’t alone over covid but like I said no offence tho Don’t worry, I haven’t taken offence
It seems you haven’t connected with the idea that shared lived experiences are just that shared. Maybe because you haven’t needed to express a shared experience with another person in a time of compassion or empathy, or perhaps it’s something you don’t hold much value in.
People don’t need to share the exact same circumstances to provide comfort, the medical attention as you mentioned would obviously be different for the Queen, but the uncertainty and worry that medical situations brings is something many can relate to even the Queen.
During such an uncertain time, the Queen symbolised stability and hope for many, especially those who felt vulnerable or isolated. It wasn’t about her personal situation but the reassurance she brought to others over the many years she’s been a part of people’s lives.
My mother deeply respected her, and when the Queen addressed the nation, it felt like a shared experience to her, her words resonated. I have a feeling you may not have heard the address, or perhaps dismissed it as, what would she know? That’s just my impression based on your replies, and I could be way off.
To be honest, it doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t you who needed that extra reassurance, it was my mother. And the Queen provided it, whether you accept that or not.
As you can see, I see value in the Monarchy, it doesn't mean I accept the behaviour of royalty that are not respectful of their privilege, that is a completely different matter. I have yet to find a single person who supports Andrew, the one rotten apple should not be an excuse to abandon the cart. I do have compassion that’s why I said I find it sad that she needed the queen for reassurance during a bad time in her life mate my mam luved the queen aswell but I can’t get me head around ppl thinking what she says is reassurance older ppl need that from close family or friends not someone who clearly doesn’t care about them the royals don’t know what alone and scared is they can never feel that I hope ya mam is ok now I’d never offend an older person I think we should look after them way better in the U.K. it’s a fucking disgrace how there tret "She passed away due to covid related illness, which was unfortunately the likely outcome if she contracted covid due to her lack of immune system. She knew this, we knew this and we did the best we could to protect her. She took what she could as reassurance as you say it, but deep down she knew at some point she could not isolate herself away from society forever. I remember clearly her reaction of support and respect for the Queen, when she sat alone at the funeral of Philip, it touched her heart. It is those events that provided the shared experiences I mentioned. | |||
"Last Night of the Proms could still continue without a monarchy That is not the point, I was emphasising the traditions I like and being proud of the traditions. Do you like the fact the King's coronation cost taxpayers at least £72 million ? Yes, I did. The traditions and heritage that define our nation are priceless. They would exist with a much reduced royal family and far less expenditure. I think the cost of maintaining the monarchy is presented to us in terms of the benefits that accrue which I personally feel are hugely exaggerated. I agree we need a focus for patriotism and national identity but need to examine why we're happy to see people with immense privilege treated with such reverence. I feel I personally benefit from the Royal family being in place, they can and do bring the nation together, uphold out traditions and generally give me a sense of pride. The cost per person to maintain the royal family is approx £1.29. It doesn't include security and some property maintenance. The income from Royal estates is £312 million, of which 75% goes to the treasury. the sovereign grant is 25% of the crown profits, that gives tax payers a return on the payout. I think the setup we have now means they are providing more back than they take, which is a win, win in my eyes. However, I personally think removing Andrew of any entitlement is the only sensible thing to do and they must learn from this, to keep their heads above water. yes you feel that way but the fact is you don’t actually benefit only they do at yr cost facts over feelings every day I know before my mother passed away, she took great comfort from the queen during Covid and her speech. Inspirational and priceless.that’s great for her but I think if you need to take comfort from a stranger who doesn’t know you exist then there’s something wrong I’m not trying to offend you but I find that actually sad tbh I guess you did not recognise the vulnerable in isolation was "something wrong" during covid? For my mother, the Queen was stability, resilience, and a connection to shared experiences during a difficult time. Surely finding comfort in that isn’t sad it’s human... there was no shared experience she’s had the best medical care in history she wasn’t alone over covid but like I said no offence tho Don’t worry, I haven’t taken offence
It seems you haven’t connected with the idea that shared lived experiences are just that shared. Maybe because you haven’t needed to express a shared experience with another person in a time of compassion or empathy, or perhaps it’s something you don’t hold much value in.
People don’t need to share the exact same circumstances to provide comfort, the medical attention as you mentioned would obviously be different for the Queen, but the uncertainty and worry that medical situations brings is something many can relate to even the Queen.
During such an uncertain time, the Queen symbolised stability and hope for many, especially those who felt vulnerable or isolated. It wasn’t about her personal situation but the reassurance she brought to others over the many years she’s been a part of people’s lives.
My mother deeply respected her, and when the Queen addressed the nation, it felt like a shared experience to her, her words resonated. I have a feeling you may not have heard the address, or perhaps dismissed it as, what would she know? That’s just my impression based on your replies, and I could be way off.
To be honest, it doesn’t really matter. It wasn’t you who needed that extra reassurance, it was my mother. And the Queen provided it, whether you accept that or not.
As you can see, I see value in the Monarchy, it doesn't mean I accept the behaviour of royalty that are not respectful of their privilege, that is a completely different matter. I have yet to find a single person who supports Andrew, the one rotten apple should not be an excuse to abandon the cart. I do have compassion that’s why I said I find it sad that she needed the queen for reassurance during a bad time in her life mate my mam luved the queen aswell but I can’t get me head around ppl thinking what she says is reassurance older ppl need that from close family or friends not someone who clearly doesn’t care about them the royals don’t know what alone and scared is they can never feel that I hope ya mam is ok now I’d never offend an older person I think we should look after them way better in the U.K. it’s a fucking disgrace how there tret
She passed away due to covid related illness, which was unfortunately the likely outcome if she contracted covid due to her lack of immune system.
She knew this, we knew this and we did the best we could to protect her. She took what she could as reassurance as you say it, but deep down she knew at some point she could not isolate herself away from society forever.
I remember clearly her reaction of support and respect for the Queen, when she sat alone at the funeral of Philip, it touched her heart.
It is those events that provided the shared experiences I mentioned."so sorry for your loss mate truelly am I know that loss very well | |||
