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"The Israeli govt is closing its embassy in Dublin because Irish government will ask the ICJ to broaden its definition of genocide as Israel has engaged in the "collective punishment" of people in Gaza Looks like the Irish government has their ethics morals and principals intact - unlike those blindly following the vile Israeli Zionist ideology here. Goodbye Israeli embassy staff! Take your intolerable Zionist shite with you Fek arrrfff! đ©đźđ±đ©đźđ±"Hmm. 8 degrees celsius and raining in Dublin, 20 degrees celsius and full sunshine in Israel. I'm sure the embassy staff are devastated to be leaving the Irish racists behind  | |||
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"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. " It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x | |||
"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x" I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. | |||
"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. " So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x | |||
"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x" Is this why you left Ireland Betty? Because you were not popular and not welcome? | |||
"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Is this why you left Ireland Betty? Because you were not popular and not welcome?" Why are you bullying me?.. Mrs x | |||
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"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x" Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. | |||
"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. " The recording of those cancer patients, 5,000 of them, is not only despicable it's callous. To use such tragedy for a propaganda aim. But what else do you expect from such an evil ideology. And the numbers of combatant deaths could be as high as 50%. I think or two reasons, firstly they've manipulated these figures, suggesting they are lower in a direct correlation to the number of woman and kids killed for propaganda purposes. Secondly they couldn't admit that Israel have actually killed far more combatants than they wanted to admit to, they wouldn't want to admit how much damage Israel was actually causing them. Mrs x | |||
"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. The recording of those cancer patients, 5,000 of them, is not only despicable it's callous. To use such tragedy for a propaganda aim. But what else do you expect from such an evil ideology. And the numbers of combatant deaths could be as high as 50%. I think or two reasons, firstly they've manipulated these figures, suggesting they are lower in a direct correlation to the number of woman and kids killed for propaganda purposes. Secondly they couldn't admit that Israel have actually killed far more combatants than they wanted to admit to, they wouldn't want to admit how much damage Israel was actually causing them. Mrs x" Second paragraph should read 'I think they manipulated these figures for two reasons', Mrs x | |||
"I seen so many hateful comments!! Mostly from the Irish . When most have never been to the Middle East and have zero understanding of living next door to evil he had his extremist who all they want to do is wipe out of the map. Genocide means the population is killed off and goes down which has not for the Arabs in the West Bank or Gaza so more fake propaganda. Didnât hear the Irish complain when all the Arab countries slaughtered and kick their Jews out of their countries so that genocide against the Jews in Arab countries did exist because the population decreased to almost ZERO. Not a word. Not a word of complaint from the Irish government with all the rockets, terrorism, bus bombs, anttacked your female population and murder from Hamas and other terrorist groups. Five times the Arabs were offered an Independence Day and rejected it and took our arms for terrorism. Not a word of criticism. Mmmmmmm wonder why Israel is a rightful annoyed. What would the Irish people say to there government is they were target every day in the most evil way. Shameful " The Irish government has continually criticised hamas and hezbollah. Don't mind your shĂt | |||
"The Republic has always been very anti semitic to be fair. " Depends on what criteria you use to define antisemetic If it's based on hatred for Jews, the way they dress, worship, appearance etc then It's valid. If criticising an extremist vile ideology that oppress others through apartheid, racism, land theft and expanding borders, sectarian violence to the extent of committing war crimes like the abhorrent Zionist extremists do 8n Israel then it's not valid. | |||
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"I seen so many hateful comments!! Mostly from the Irish . When most have never been to the Middle East and have zero understanding of living next door to evil he had his extremist who all they want to do is wipe out of the map. Genocide means the population is killed off and goes down which has not for the Arabs in the West Bank or Gaza so more fake propaganda. Didnât hear the Irish complain when all the Arab countries slaughtered and kick their Jews out of their countries so that genocide against the Jews in Arab countries did exist because the population decreased to almost ZERO. Not a word. Not a word of complaint from the Irish government with all the rockets, terrorism, bus bombs, anttacked your female population and murder from Hamas and other terrorist groups. Five times the Arabs were offered an Independence Day and rejected it and took our arms for terrorism. Not a word of criticism. Mmmmmmm wonder why Israel is a rightful annoyed. What would the Irish people say to there government is they were target every day in the most evil way. Shameful The Irish government has continually criticised hamas and hezbollah. Don't mind your shĂt" Saudi has an embassy in Ireland, despite their conflict killing more than ten times that of thise killed in the Israel/Gaza conflict. Half a million killed doesn't seem to qualify as potential genocide key 45,000 can if its in Gaza and involves Jews. Why is that? Mrs x | |||
"I seen so many hateful comments!! Mostly from the Irish . When most have never been to the Middle East and have zero understanding of living next door to evil he had his extremist who all they want to do is wipe out of the map. Genocide means the population is killed off and goes down which has not for the Arabs in the West Bank or Gaza so more fake propaganda. Didnât hear the Irish complain when all the Arab countries slaughtered and kick their Jews out of their countries so that genocide against the Jews in Arab countries did exist because the population decreased to almost ZERO. Not a word. Not a word of complaint from the Irish government with all the rockets, terrorism, bus bombs, anttacked your female population and murder from Hamas and other terrorist groups. Five times the Arabs were offered an Independence Day and rejected it and took our arms for terrorism. Not a word of criticism. Mmmmmmm wonder why Israel is a rightful annoyed. What would the Irish people say to there government is they were target every day in the most evil way. Shameful The Irish government has continually criticised hamas and hezbollah. Don't mind your shĂt Saudi has an embassy in Ireland, despite their conflict killing more than ten times that of thise killed in the Israel/Gaza conflict. Half a million killed doesn't seem to qualify as potential genocide key 45,000 can if its in Gaza and involves Jews. Why is that? Mrs x" Should have said the conflict in Yemen, Mrs x | |||
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"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Is this why you left Ireland Betty? Because you were not popular and not welcome?Why are you bullying me?.. Mrs x" I'm not, just asking. Others accuse you though and you've said some really off things to both myself and others | |||
"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. The recording of those cancer patients, 5,000 of them, is not only despicable it's callous. To use such tragedy for a propaganda aim. But what else do you expect from such an evil ideology. And the numbers of combatant deaths could be as high as 50%. I think or two reasons, firstly they've manipulated these figures, suggesting they are lower in a direct correlation to the number of woman and kids killed for propaganda purposes. Secondly they couldn't admit that Israel have actually killed far more combatants than they wanted to admit to, they wouldn't want to admit how much damage Israel was actually causing them. Mrs x" Hamas are no different to any other group / country at war and wanting to control the narrative. The support for Hamas did catch me off guard a little, the narrative has been swallowed up and weaponised so quickly and we now have more experts in Palestinian history than you can shake a stick at. The internet is a dangerous place, information is readily available but understanding that information is not. It reminds me of Covid, when all of a sudden we had vaccine experts creeping out of the woodwork. | |||
"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Is this why you left Ireland Betty? Because you were not popular and not welcome?Why are you bullying me?.. Mrs x I'm not, just asking. Others accuse you though and you've said some really off things to both myself and others" It's because I'm a woman isn't it, you don't seem to target the guys who disagree with you. And when have I ever bullied you? Mrs x | |||
"The definition of genocide is clearly established under international law and the ICJ operates on this agreed standard, trying to broaden the scope or redefine it smacks of a political agenda. Or more likely, as I have seen the framework misquoted so many times, they simply do not understand it. If war crimes have been committed, whether by Israel or Hamas, the mechanisms for investigation and accountability already exist within frameworks. These processes should be allowed to function impartially and without manipulation. If Ireland are concerned about ethics, morality, and principles why are they trying to change the framework that has served consistently until now? Application of the law, should be like for like, not I don't like it now, I will change it now to suit my needs. It's virtue signalling done at state level, Israel is being tried in the court of public opinion, with the Twitteratti acting as judge, jury and executioner. The may have egg on their faces if the Henry Jackson Society report is anywhere near accurate. Apparently Hamas have done a sterling job of conning the world's media in regards to the actual numbers of casualties that have occurred. It states that around 97% of the worlds media are reporting the fifures quoted by Hamas, including the BBC, CNN and most if the other players. But by fact checking, the HJS says these figures are widely inaccurate and have been manipulated. One example in the report is that Hamas have included 5,000 deaths from cancer sufferers who died from their illness. That's more than 10% of the victims they claim Israel has killed. Not going into the findings from the report but there are loads of other examples like this to make Israel look worse according to the report. And this has happened previously, Hamas has form for this. Look the report up, it is interesting and if correct, and there's no reason it shouldn't be, it's very illuminating. So let's be a little more level headed and save judgement on this issue until actual facts are produced, Mrs x I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Is this why you left Ireland Betty? Because you were not popular and not welcome?Why are you bullying me?.. Mrs x I'm not, just asking. Others accuse you though and you've said some really off things to both myself and othersIt's because I'm a woman isn't it, you don't seem to target the guys who disagree with you. And when have I ever bullied you? Mrs x" Actually, you do it all the time I'm sorry to say. Actually to think I'm a misogynist or something is you jumping to conclusions. Perhaps if you didn't get personal with people then conversation would be better. But I can see what you're up to here. I'm not that daft | |||
"I seen so many hateful comments!! Mostly from the Irish . When most have never been to the Middle East and have zero understanding of living next door to evil he had his extremist who all they want to do is wipe out of the map. Genocide means the population is killed off and goes down which has not for the Arabs in the West Bank or Gaza so more fake propaganda. Didnât hear the Irish complain when all the Arab countries slaughtered and kick their Jews out of their countries so that genocide against the Jews in Arab countries did exist because the population decreased to almost ZERO. Not a word. Not a word of complaint from the Irish government with all the rockets, terrorism, bus bombs, anttacked your female population and murder from Hamas and other terrorist groups. Five times the Arabs were offered an Independence Day and rejected it and took our arms for terrorism. Not a word of criticism. Mmmmmmm wonder why Israel is a rightful annoyed. What would the Irish people say to there government is they were target every day in the most evil way. Shameful The Irish government has continually criticised hamas and hezbollah. Don't mind your shĂt Saudi has an embassy in Ireland, despite their conflict killing more than ten times that of thise killed in the Israel/Gaza conflict. Half a million killed doesn't seem to qualify as potential genocide key 45,000 can if its in Gaza and involves Jews. Why is that? Mrs x" The majority of countries have embassies in Ireland. Are you asking why is their a Saudi embassy in Ireland? Israel closed their embassy, Ireland don't close the Israeli embassy, and Ireland hasn't closed its embassy in Tel Aviv | |||
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"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. " Well that cuts both ways then doesn't it.! Perhaps if you ask the basics like "is it okay to deliberately starve people is wrong" then you might get a rational understanding instead of twiddling around the edges with nonsense. | |||
"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. Well that cuts both ways then doesn't it.! Perhaps if you ask the basics like "is it okay to deliberately starve people is wrong" then you might get a rational understanding instead of twiddling around the edges with nonsense. " You are right it does go both ways. I can question Israel as much as I can question Hamas, it does not make me a supporter of either. | |||
"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. Well that cuts both ways then doesn't it.! Perhaps if you ask the basics like "is it okay to deliberately starve people is wrong" then you might get a rational understanding instead of twiddling around the edges with nonsense. You are right it does go both ways. I can question Israel as much as I can question Hamas, it does not make me a supporter of either. " That's the mistake others think of me it's not Hamas or Israel to me it's about the morality of what's happening and the ethics of it | |||
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"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. Well that cuts both ways then doesn't it.! Perhaps if you ask the basics like "is it okay to deliberately starve people is wrong" then you might get a rational understanding instead of twiddling around the edges with nonsense. You are right it does go both ways. I can question Israel as much as I can question Hamas, it does not make me a supporter of either. That's the mistake others think of me it's not Hamas or Israel to me it's about the morality of what's happening and the ethics of it " I understand that, and in my opinion it is why it is important to challenge where appropriate the messages and misinformation that is thrown around, people latch onto it and before you know it is now fact. If I question the recorded deaths, or the reasoning behind Israel grabbing land, it is coming from that particular event or information. I have not seen you write in defence of Israel, or against actions of Hamas, maybe that is me not reading all of your posts. I think there is a lot to question Hamas and Israel on, and in proportion. | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows?" Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!! | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows?" Streets being cleaner from Zionist extremism and the excuses they give to commit horrible acts. | |||
"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. Well that cuts both ways then doesn't it.! Perhaps if you ask the basics like "is it okay to deliberately starve people is wrong" then you might get a rational understanding instead of twiddling around the edges with nonsense. You are right it does go both ways. I can question Israel as much as I can question Hamas, it does not make me a supporter of either. That's the mistake others think of me it's not Hamas or Israel to me it's about the morality of what's happening and the ethics of it " For that to be true you have to have an objective view but you only go one way. If Israel are deliberately starving anyone why let aid through? What about the 97 trucks that were recently let through that were subsequently r@bbed by Palestinian criminals. Why not condemn Hamas for this? But no it's all Israels fault. Mrs x | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!!" Antisemitism is racism, Mrs x | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!!" Your claims that the Holocaust and the war in Gaza are the same. Remember that one? Mrs x | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!!Antisemitism is racism, Mrs x " Depends on what it's based on. Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance. Anti Zionism is th rejection of an extremist ideology based on supremacy and hatred. Are you an islamaohobe? It's just as bad because jihadism is extremism Moderate Muslims and Jews sent the problem. It's extremists on both sides | |||
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"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!!Your claims that the Holocaust and the war in Gaza are the same. Remember that one? Mrs x" Make yourself a cup of tea!  | |||
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"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!!Antisemitism is racism, Mrs x Depends on what it's based on. Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance. Anti Zionism is th rejection of an extremist ideology based on supremacy and hatred. Are you an islamaohobe? It's just as bad because jihadism is extremism Moderate Muslims and Jews sent the problem. It's extremists on both sides " You don't help your case when you say things like... 'Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance.' How they dress? What in jeans and a t-shirt, trainers maybe. What do you mean by this? Their appearance? What does that mean? Their physical appearance? Do all Jews look the same? Can't you see how that's racist? If you just replaced the word Jews for Blacks or Asians then maybe that might help you to see why you don't help yourself. Just stop this. Mrs x | |||
"lol quoting a report from the Henry Jackson Society. Hardly an impartial source." OK rather than question any motivation can you actually dispute any statements in the report. Does that mean we cannot trust any source of news because the same thing can be levelled at any organisation, | |||
"lol quoting a report from the Henry Jackson Society. Hardly an impartial source.OK rather than question any motivation can you actually dispute any statements in the report. Does that mean we cannot trust any source of news because the same thing can be levelled at any organisation, " Where were the cancer patients getting their treatment from and what do you think might have happened to have a negative impact on their treatment. If the Christie got bombed my chances of survival would be severely impacted. If the other facilities were also destroyed it would likely be fatal. | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Streets being cleaner from Zionist extremism and the excuses they give to commit horrible acts." Nah, not convinced.....you have lumped all the diplomats into one group that you clearly have an inherent phobia about, regardless of what they do in the embassy. They are not people who work for the Netanyahu government. They are diplomats working for a legitimate state. Your fascist approach in relation to this singular group of people is obvious. It's just that you are hiding behind a definition which doesn't wash when you apply it indiscriminately. | |||
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" I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism." Really. You. Have. No. Idea. How many Jews in Muslim countries? How many Muslims in Jewish countries? | |||
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"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Well if you read posts properly I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. If you can point out where I've made sectarian or racist comments I'd like to hear your replies. Judiasm is not a racial label. it's a religion line any other. Like I say please tell me some examples because if you have then I'd like to hear them very much indeed!!Antisemitism is racism, Mrs x Depends on what it's based on. Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance. Anti Zionism is th rejection of an extremist ideology based on supremacy and hatred. Are you an islamaohobe? It's just as bad because jihadism is extremism Moderate Muslims and Jews sent the problem. It's extremists on both sides You don't help your case when you say things like... 'Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance.' How they dress? What in jeans and a t-shirt, trainers maybe. What do you mean by this? Their appearance? What does that mean? Their physical appearance? Do all Jews look the same? Can't you see how that's racist? If you just replaced the word Jews for Blacks or Asians then maybe that might help you to see why you don't help yourself. Just stop this. Mrs x" I think you should read up on equal rights. You'd learn an awful lot. Btw it seems your tactic hasn't worked yet. | |||
" I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. Really. You. Have. No. Idea. How many Jews in Muslim countries? How many Muslims in Jewish countries?" I don't know. What I do know is where an awful of lot of Muslims are being killed maimed starved though, And I know where an awful lot of Jews have been killed too in the name of Zionism. Do you think that's an adequate repl? because I don't think so based on your propensity to side with Zionism. | |||
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"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Streets being cleaner from Zionist extremism and the excuses they give to commit horrible acts. Nah, not convinced.....you have lumped all the diplomats into one group that you clearly have an inherent phobia about, regardless of what they do in the embassy. They are not people who work for the Netanyahu government. They are diplomats working for a legitimate state. Your fascist approach in relation to this singular group of people is obvious. It's just that you are hiding behind a definition which doesn't wash when you apply it indiscriminately. " Your not convinced and that's fine with me. | |||
" Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance. " No, that's not what antisemitism is. Throughout history, Jews have converted, changed their names, their dress, their appearance... And have generally been persecuted anyway. *Even after becoming Christian (or, more rarely, Muslim).* Antisemitism is a hatred of Jews for who they are. It has been embedded in the social and religious fabric of Christian and Muslim societies (and religious texts) since their inception, and is very, very difficult to eradicate. | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Streets being cleaner from Zionist extremism and the excuses they give to commit horrible acts. Nah, not convinced.....you have lumped all the diplomats into one group that you clearly have an inherent phobia about, regardless of what they do in the embassy. They are not people who work for the Netanyahu government. They are diplomats working for a legitimate state. Your fascist approach in relation to this singular group of people is obvious. It's just that you are hiding behind a definition which doesn't wash when you apply it indiscriminately. " Btw does your statements apply to Jews protesting against the Zionist ideology, wearing "not in my name" t shirts : Are they fascists too? | |||
" I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. Really. You. Have. No. Idea. How many Jews in Muslim countries? How many Muslims in Jewish countries? I don't know. " Clearly. " What I do know is where an awful of lot of Muslims are being killed maimed starved though, And I know where an awful lot of Jews have been killed too in the name of Zionism. " Here's the problem: you made a comparative statement, "I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist" but you "don't know" about one side, but can quote an anecdotal "awful of lot" on the other side. So how are you able to compare? " Do you think that's an adequate repl? " No. You should do some research and answer the question if you want your comparison to be taken seriously. " because I don't think so based on your propensity to side with Zionism. " This is a surprising statement. Put forward a definition of "Zionism" (since there are many) and we will let you know whether we agree with it. | |||
" Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance. No, that's not what antisemitism is. Throughout history, Jews have converted, changed their names, their dress, their appearance... And have generally been persecuted anyway. *Even after becoming Christian (or, more rarely, Muslim).* Antisemitism is a hatred of Jews for who they are. It has been embedded in the social and religious fabric of Christian and Muslim societies (and religious texts) since their inception, and is very, very difficult to eradicate." In that case being against Zionism isn't Santi semetic then. If so - does your statements apply to Jews protesting against the Zionist ideology, wearing "not in my name" t shirts : Are they antisemetic too? Is my friends mother who is Jewish is appauled by netenyshu and his policies and eantsnhim gone. Is she antisemetic? Like the orthodox Jews? | |||
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" In that case being against Zionism isn't Santi semetic then. " Correct. Being anti Zionist is not NECESSARILY antisemitic. Pay attention very clearly: anti Zionism is a valid and legitimate political position to take, Zionism is not synonymous with Judaism and there are, indeed, many non Zionist Jews. However, antisemitism very, very often likes to hide under the cover of anti Zionism. Many people do not like Israel because it represents Jews, and they do not like Jews. In fact, many Jews in Israel are not Zionists, per se. When people say that they hate Israel, disproportionately single Israel out for every perceived wrong that they commit, etc. the underlying cause may well be antisemitism. But those people can simply say, "oh, no - I don't hate Jews, I just hate Zionists!". It's difficult to tell in many isolated cases. But it's hard to explain away the disproportionate hatred that Israel gets without wondering about antisemitism. " If so - does your statements apply to Jews protesting against the Zionist ideology, wearing "not in my name" t shirts : Are they antisemetic too? " Sorry, which statements? " Is my friends mother who is Jewish is appauled by netenyshu and his policies and eantsnhim gone. Is she antisemetic? Like the orthodox Jews? " Who said that she is? | |||
" All you've done here is bullishly spout opinionated narrow minded irrelevant nonsense. " When confronted with such an eloquently phrased counterargument, one cannot but be intimidated into a kind of shocked silence. Hats off - you win. | |||
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"Correct. Being anti Zionist is not NECESSARILY antisemitic Anti Zionist is antisemitic Israel is the Jewish homeland Itâs that simple If you donât understand that You shouldnât comment " ? | |||
" All you've done here is bullishly spout opinionated narrow minded irrelevant nonsense. When confronted with such an eloquently phrased counterargument, one cannot but be intimidated into a kind of shocked silence. Hats off - you win." Yeah I'm klevor isn't me. | |||
"Correct. Being anti Zionist is not NECESSARILY antisemitic Anti Zionist is antisemitic Israel is the Jewish homeland Itâs that simple If you donât understand that You shouldnât comment " Does that include Jews who are against the Zionists? | |||
"Correct. Being anti Zionist is not NECESSARILY antisemitic Anti Zionist is antisemitic Israel is the Jewish homeland Itâs that simple If you donât understand that You shouldnât comment " Oh I'm terribly sorry, I will of course mend my ways. I'm trembling in my boots here .. I'm of course terrified by your presence | |||
" Antisemitism is hatred of the religion, how Jews dress, worship, their appearance. No, that's not what antisemitism is. Throughout history, Jews have converted, changed their names, their dress, their appearance... And have generally been persecuted anyway. *Even after becoming Christian (or, more rarely, Muslim).* Antisemitism is a hatred of Jews for who they are. It has been embedded in the social and religious fabric of Christian and Muslim societies (and religious texts) since their inception, and is very, very difficult to eradicate." Well that's what I said ! Jews for being who they are. | |||
" I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist extremism. Really. You. Have. No. Idea. How many Jews in Muslim countries? How many Muslims in Jewish countries? I don't know. Clearly. What I do know is where an awful of lot of Muslims are being killed maimed starved though, And I know where an awful lot of Jews have been killed too in the name of Zionism. Here's the problem: you made a comparative statement, "I'm against the Zionist extremism that's just as bad as jihadist" but you "don't know" about one side, but can quote an anecdotal "awful of lot" on the other side. So how are you able to compare? Do you think that's an adequate repl? No. You should do some research and answer the question if you want your comparison to be taken seriously. because I don't think so based on your propensity to side with Zionism. This is a surprising statement. Put forward a definition of "Zionism" (since there are many) and we will let you know whether we agree with it." You weren't a school teacher by any chance? Slightly patronising comments that schoolteachers make. I may not be educated academically to your standard but the things you've studied and read about online in books discussed over a capuchino with friends in cafés isn't the same as experiencing events in life. | |||
" ...isn't the same as experiencing events in life. " Apologies for the condescending tone. Which life experiences have informed your views on the Middle East and Israel, specifically? | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Streets being cleaner from Zionist extremism and the excuses they give to commit horrible acts. Nah, not convinced.....you have lumped all the diplomats into one group that you clearly have an inherent phobia about, regardless of what they do in the embassy. They are not people who work for the Netanyahu government. They are diplomats working for a legitimate state. Your fascist approach in relation to this singular group of people is obvious. It's just that you are hiding behind a definition which doesn't wash when you apply it indiscriminately. Btw does your statements apply to Jews protesting against the Zionist ideology, wearing "not in my name" t shirts : Are they fascists too?" There's a huge difference....they do not want the Israeli Government exercising the steps that they have taken. On the other hand, you want the streets swept clear of Israelis regardless of their viewpoint because they are simply citizens who just happen to work in an embassy, regardless of their viewpoint. Bit like the ravings of Julius Streicher, don't you think? Perhaps you can tell us what definition of antisemitism you are actually adhering to? Is it the Labour Party's definition? Is it the Government definition? Is it the EU definition? Is it the IHRA definition? Go on, give us a clue. | |||
"Someone on here wrote about the streets being cleaner. There are other comments as well...just read back. I am not trying to stifle debate on world affairs but do question whether there is an implied racism within some of those comments. Well, if as a white guy, I wrote in those terms about diplomats from North Korean, Iran, Sudan or any other regime that I didn't like, wouldn't I be considered racist? Why does there seem to be an acceptance that it's alright to demean individuals who are Jewish? Or is there an acceptable level of fascism that the site allows? Streets being cleaner from Zionist extremism and the excuses they give to commit horrible acts. Nah, not convinced.....you have lumped all the diplomats into one group that you clearly have an inherent phobia about, regardless of what they do in the embassy. They are not people who work for the Netanyahu government. They are diplomats working for a legitimate state. Your fascist approach in relation to this singular group of people is obvious. It's just that you are hiding behind a definition which doesn't wash when you apply it indiscriminately. Btw does your statements apply to Jews protesting against the Zionist ideology, wearing "not in my name" t shirts : Are they fascists too? There's a huge difference....they do not want the Israeli Government exercising the steps that they have taken. On the other hand, you want the streets swept clear of Israelis regardless of their viewpoint because they are simply citizens who just happen to work in an embassy, regardless of their viewpoint. Bit like the ravings of Julius Streicher, don't you think? Perhaps you can tell us what definition of antisemitism you are actually adhering to? Is it the Labour Party's definition? Is it the Government definition? Is it the EU definition? Is it the IHRA definition? Go on, give us a clue. " Well your a tad wrong here in my view. Firstly do you think the Israeli government would let an anti Zionist work in an embassy? Julius Streicher : nope not sure who he is though I'm sure you'll tell me Ooooh which anitesmitism category am I adhering to? - ooo decisions decisions - erm can you help me out? I'm adhering to the antisemitism that Condemns the mass murder of 40,000 people including kids old people who had nothing to to do with the 7 October atrocities, by starving people to death, denying water medical aid, targeting and killing foreign aid workers in drone strikes - Many accounts if war crimes and atrocities crimes alleged against them plus a whole raft of organisations like the world food programme, amnesty international, the UN the ICJ the ICC , the government of southern Ireland and South Africa. Orthodox Jews, people with their moral ethics intact Oh and George Galloway please Can you catogorise me into the same list as those I've mentioned above please? Because that would be an honour | |||
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"I have just a had a look at the report, it is very heavy going... If I was to summarise it, I think it is stating the obvious from a neutral standpoint, Hamas over stating the death toll and classifications of the deaths as propaganda. It makes an interesting point in how western news agencies have been quick to print what they release without question, although verifying their numbers can't be straight forward. So what do you think about them changing the sex of victims from males to females and altering the ages of younger victims so it appears that more woman and children have been killed than is true. For propaganda purposes its much more emotive to accuse your enemy of killing woman and children than admit that the actual numbers indicate that Israel has killed many more males than Hamas want published to the world. It appears that maybe Israel is not targeting woman and kids but are actually killing male combatants. Think the percentage is quite high, around 50%, is that a correct approximate figure from the report, think it is but might not be right, there was a lot to take in. Also what did you make of this not being the first time Hamas has done this kind of thing and because of this why the world's media are eating up Hamas's propaganda rather than fact checking themselves. Very lazy journalism if that's the case. Who knew that Israel might have actually been telling the truth, terrorists, what are they like, the little tinkers telling porkies pies to everyone. You can't make this up, oh you can if you're an Islamic Terrorist group it seems and they are getting away with it, Mrs x Honestly, I think I expected this to be as is. I have some doubts over the legitimacy of the errors of reporting a 22 year old male as a 4 year old, I think that can be ignored. However, the increase in reported deaths of women and children from one day to the next, that distorts the figures seems likely to have been done to mislead. Hamas is misleading the gullible, and the gullible like to be misled. Well that cuts both ways then doesn't it.! Perhaps if you ask the basics like "is it okay to deliberately starve people is wrong" then you might get a rational understanding instead of twiddling around the edges with nonsense. You are right it does go both ways. I can question Israel as much as I can question Hamas, it does not make me a supporter of either. That's the mistake others think of me it's not Hamas or Israel to me it's about the morality of what's happening and the ethics of it For that to be true you have to have an objective view but you only go one way. If Israel are deliberately starving anyone why let aid through? What about the 97 trucks that were recently let through that were subsequently r@bbed by Palestinian criminals. Why not condemn Hamas for this? But no it's all Israels fault. Mrs x" Israel created the situation 97 aid trucks is a trickle and way too short a number according to independent organisations. Criminals as you call them are starving desperate individuals with families and others they're trying to keep alive rather than organised criminals. The civil police and others were targeted by the IDF so lawlessness is inevitable | |||
"Actually in all honesty I'd be chuffed to bits being labelled an antisemite in the same way as the orthodox Jews, the ICC ICJ southern Irish government plus many more organisations with morals and a sense of ethics that stand against the murderous Zionist ideology "Saying you would be âchuffedâ about being labelled an antisemite is, in my opinion, a strange statement. Criticising Israeli policies is entirely fair, but youâre interchanging Zionism, the Jewish right to self determination with your term a âmurderous ideology,â which is not what Zionism actually is. The Irish Government is asking for changes to international law around genocide, they are not discussing Zionism. Zionism is the belief that Jews are a nation, not just a religious group, and deserve self determination in their homeland, like any other nation. Zionism as an ideology and the actions of the Israeli government are not the same, but have been wrongly conflated. Opposing Israeli government policies is acceptable; opposing the Jewish right to self determination is not. | |||
" Zionism is the belief that..." You are absolutely correct in the conflation of issues. That said, there is no single definition of Zionism, which is at the core of much debate - someone defending Zionism probably means one thing, while someone castigating it is probably defining it as another. That's why it helps to always begin with: Before we debate Zionism, what do you actually mean by Zionism? | |||
" Zionism is the belief that... You are absolutely correct in the conflation of issues. That said, there is no single definition of Zionism, which is at the core of much debate - someone defending Zionism probably means one thing, while someone castigating it is probably defining it as another. That's why it helps to always begin with: Before we debate Zionism, what do you actually mean by Zionism?" Great question and if we set out the what is it, knowing there is no 1 definition, it opens the door for semantics and purposeful misinterpretation. Is it easier to agree what it isn't, and agreeing that? From that point we should have a clearer idea of what it is. Agree or disagree: Zionism isnât about opposing others rights to self determination. Itâs about securing Jewish self determination. Agree or disagree: Zionism isnât a political policy of the Israeli government. Itâs an ideology, not the actions of a state. Agree or disagree: Zionism isnât against Palestinians or their rights. That debate is about how two groups of people share the same land. Agree or disagree: Zionism isnât oppression or colonialism, it came as a response to antisemitism and the need for a safe homeland. | |||
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"Most Zionists aren't even Semites Palestinians are more Semite than the Zionists calling everyone antisemitic. The Israeli government stole Irish passports to use to assassinate someone in Doha a few years ago and when the Irish government called the diplomat in they just said Ireland is antisemitic. Good riddance to them " many Jews are of Semitic descent, however Zionism is not restricted to ethnicity it is tied to Jewish identity. The accusation was they forged the passport, and British / French too. The actions of the Israeli government are standalone and not reflective of all Jewish people, just as there are many things the UK government do that I or you would not support. | |||
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"I donât know the answer to this so itâs a genuine question which needs attention. I believe all Gaza citizens over 16 have an ID number issued by the authorities in Israel . When someone dies this number is used to identify the dead for keeping records. So the question is, do the government of Israel know very well the numbers issued are correct as they control the numbers for identification? Western media are still excluded from free examination of sites in Gaza which raises doubts around Israelâs claims. This news link seems to say the numbers are correct. https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable?amp This report below is the rating credibility of the above news site. They are reported as bias towards their owners and pro Qatar. However they rate as accurate on facts. Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL Country: United Kingdom Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Website Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY " I read the report that was shared earlier in the thread and the ID's were mentioned in that, so I looked it up. It is a little complex from what I have learnt. When the Israeli forces and settlers left Gaza in 2005, Israel stopped issuing the ID's, it was handed over to the Palestine authorities to administer ID's to Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. The curve ball is Israel controls the registry, meaning the final approval of IDs, including births, deaths, and travel, goes through Israeli authorities! All of that then gets even muddier when a death is recorded! Even though Israel control the register, it is the Palestinian authorities that record the death and supply the ID number. Clear as mud? I canât help but feel there canât be conclusive proof here, it ultimately comes down to trust, as it does in any conflict. We have seen similar disputes over figures in the Russia / Ukraine war. | |||
"I donât know the answer to this so itâs a genuine question which needs attention. I believe all Gaza citizens over 16 have an ID number issued by the authorities in Israel . When someone dies this number is used to identify the dead for keeping records. So the question is, do the government of Israel know very well the numbers issued are correct as they control the numbers for identification? Western media are still excluded from free examination of sites in Gaza which raises doubts around Israelâs claims. This news link seems to say the numbers are correct. https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable?amp This report below is the rating credibility of the above news site. They are reported as bias towards their owners and pro Qatar. However they rate as accurate on facts. Bias Rating: LEFT-CENTER Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL Country: United Kingdom Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Website Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY I read the report that was shared earlier in the thread and the ID's were mentioned in that, so I looked it up. It is a little complex from what I have learnt. When the Israeli forces and settlers left Gaza in 2005, Israel stopped issuing the ID's, it was handed over to the Palestine authorities to administer ID's to Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. The curve ball is Israel controls the registry, meaning the final approval of IDs, including births, deaths, and travel, goes through Israeli authorities! All of that then gets even muddier when a death is recorded! Even though Israel control the register, it is the Palestinian authorities that record the death and supply the ID number. Clear as mud? I canât help but feel there canât be conclusive proof here, it ultimately comes down to trust, as it does in any conflict. We have seen similar disputes over figures in the Russia / Ukraine war." Thanks for helping to update me. As I mentioned I wasnât 100% sure but it smells very odd that the media are still excluded. Tidying up perhaps? Iâm definitely no fan of the Israeli government. I actually think they are hideous but I donât know this ID thing as fact clearly. | |||
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