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"UK’s economy shrinks unexpectedly by 0.1% in October
Business confidence falls for last four consecutive months.
No coincidence this on labours watch. "
It’s British mentality of bashing wealthy and creating too many entitled living on dole, allowed to vote…so what else could you expect.
Make NHS private for 18-60 yrs old, and see how people start appreciating wealthy as they need more jobs to pay insurance cost.
Right now Labour voters just laugh at hard working and tax paying people, they just don’t understand the long term implications.
Labour wants to build homes and grow economy - by doing what, Taxing business and choking them…common idiots …you need to give tax cuts/beraks to wealthy people so they can set up their shop here and create job opportunities. These are seriously living in La La land in age of darkest powers looming over head, artificial general intelligence.
Bring wealthy people to invest in this country before it’s too late. But Labours Marxist ideology is taking this nation in shit hole. |
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"UK’s economy shrinks unexpectedly by 0.1% in October
Business confidence falls for last four consecutive months.
No coincidence this on labours watch. "
What? You mean after the "budget for growth"  |
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UK gross domestic product (GDP) is estimated to have increased by 0.1% in Quarter 3 (July to Sept) 2024, following growth of 0.5% in Quarter 2 (Apr to June) 2024. (ONS)
The BDO Optimism Index fell 5.81 points to 93.49 in November, its weakest reading since January 2023, when businesses were contending with elevated inflation and political instability. This is the biggest month-on-month drop that the Optimism Index has seen since August 2021.
This month’s decline in confidence is likely to reflect businesses’ immediate reaction to announcements in the Autumn Budget
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"UK’s economy shrinks unexpectedly by 0.1% in October
Business confidence falls for last four consecutive months.
No coincidence this on labours watch.
What? You mean after the "budget for growth" "
Well they said growth in the long term. However the ONS said after the budget they expect a growth spike in the next year or so then returning to previous predicted levels or even below previous predicted levels, so different to what the government claim. This latest drop was not expected by the ONS who blame pre warnings of the budget and the budget itself. |
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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It could contract further during December if the trains aren’t running, and taking people into town for Christmas shopping, meeting up with friends and family in pubs and restaurants.
Another well negotiated pay deal from Labour, adding fuel to their own bonfire….
Bilateral is not something they know a lot about… |
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"It could contract further during December if the trains aren’t running, and taking people into town for Christmas shopping, meeting up with friends and family in pubs and restaurants.
Another well negotiated pay deal from Labour, adding fuel to their own bonfire….
Bilateral is not something they know a lot about…"
The incoming Govt spends it's first three months talking down the economy and then hammers Business in the budget.
A self-fulfilling prophecy.
You reap what you sow |
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"It could contract further during December if the trains aren’t running, and taking people into town for Christmas shopping, meeting up with friends and family in pubs and restaurants.
Another well negotiated pay deal from Labour, adding fuel to their own bonfire….
Bilateral is not something they know a lot about…"
I believe that the industrial action has been called off. |
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"It could contract further during December if the trains aren’t running, and taking people into town for Christmas shopping, meeting up with friends and family in pubs and restaurants.
Another well negotiated pay deal from Labour, adding fuel to their own bonfire….
Bilateral is not something they know a lot about…
I believe that the industrial action has been called off."
I don't think it's about industrial action.
Drivers are now refusing overtime because they earn enough, which in itself is great but not when there isn't enough drivers to cover all shifts. |
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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"It could contract further during December if the trains aren’t running, and taking people into town for Christmas shopping, meeting up with friends and family in pubs and restaurants.
Another well negotiated pay deal from Labour, adding fuel to their own bonfire….
Bilateral is not something they know a lot about…
I believe that the industrial action has been called off."
It might have been, but now as mentioned they are refusing to drive outside of their Monday - Friday rota.
Yes that's right, Haigh gave away our money and didn't think, could we get a more balanced workforce in exchange for a 15% hike and backdated to 2022.
Every pay deal done has been a prize give away, not one thing negotiated in return. Very poor |
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"Q1 recession highly likely now "
When Labour were elected they inherited one of the fastest he economies in the G7 and then driven it to this. Still it's not all bad news as SKS says he wants to get closer to the EU who are also presiding over poor economic results |
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Incredible how a budget delivered on *checks notes* October 30th managed to contract the economy for the entire month of October.
Did Reeves announce a massive tax on pumpkins and ghost costumes that hit last minute buyers?
So sad to see the usual suspects falling for right wing talking points again exposing their own ignorance and ability to be easily led.
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"Incredible how a budget delivered on *checks notes* October 30th managed to contract the economy for the entire month of October.
Did Reeves announce a massive tax on pumpkins and ghost costumes that hit last minute buyers?
So sad to see the usual suspects falling for right wing talking points again exposing their own ignorance and ability to be easily led.
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Reading the BBC and ONS reports, it is the constant talking down of the economy since Labour took office and the promise of tax rises were the main causes of the drop. People have been concerned if they will have a job so hold back spending. The effects of the budget are still to come |
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"Q1 recession highly likely now
When Labour were elected they inherited one of the fastest he economies in the G7 and then driven it to this. Still it's not all bad news as SKS says he wants to get closer to the EU who are also presiding over poor economic results"
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"Q1 recession highly likely now
When Labour were elected they inherited one of the fastest he economies in the G7 and then driven it to this. Still it's not all bad news as SKS says he wants to get closer to the EU who are also presiding over poor economic results"
The US trade deal not going to happen now. Starmer recruited and sent 100 odd to campaign against Trump and foreign secretary Lammy has hurled a series of irretractable insults at him. |
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"Q1 recession highly likely now
When Labour were elected they inherited one of the fastest he economies in the G7 and then driven it to this. Still it's not all bad news as SKS says he wants to get closer to the EU who are also presiding over poor economic results
The US trade deal not going to happen now. Starmer recruited and sent 100 odd to campaign against Trump and foreign secretary Lammy has hurled a series of irretractable insults at him. "
Is this the Trade deal we have been trying to get since 2018 with absolutely no progress on?
Bloody David Lammy stopping the Tories signing a deal and telling the truth about Donald Trump. Why can't he just be nice to the convicted racist, rapist, and coup leader? |
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"Q1 recession highly likely now
When Labour were elected they inherited one of the fastest he economies in the G7 and then driven it to this. Still it's not all bad news as SKS says he wants to get closer to the EU who are also presiding over poor economic results
The US trade deal not going to happen now. Starmer recruited and sent 100 odd to campaign against Trump and foreign secretary Lammy has hurled a series of irretractable insults at him.
Is this the Trade deal we have been trying to get since 2018 with absolutely no progress on?
Bloody David Lammy stopping the Tories signing a deal and telling the truth about Donald Trump. Why can't he just be nice to the convicted racist, rapist, and coup leader? "
When was Trump convicted of those offences? |
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It's pretty basic maths.
Make it more expensive for businesses to employ people so some will be worried about losing their jobs. The rising costs of running a business will result in increased sell on costs which inevitably result in higher prices/inflation which will slow down the economy.
The Christmas trading figures will be an interesting read. |
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"I can't see how Reeves lasts much longer. The budget has been a disaster and her personal credibility is shot. Another awful judgement by Starmer to make her Chancellor."
Three months of her boss talking down the economy did not help. Business confidence index has fallen, for last four months. Bank rate reductions are slower due to budget.
New car sales have been slumping in 2024, with the market experiencing a 6% year-on-year decline in October:
Petrol and diesel: Deliveries of both petrol and diesel vehicles fell sharply, by -14.2% and -20.5% respectively.
Private car purchases down -11.8%
New motorcycle and scooter sales down -5.8%.
Bloomberg reporting (08 nov) that Insolvency filings rose 64% from a year earlier.
Significantly there are more businesses closing in the UK than being started (ons).
Holiday let and staycation bookings have fallen and a record number of holiday let properties have been put on the market. As well as less market demand the Tory budget attack on FHL operators has contributed to this.
Housing developers mothballing sites and harsh requirement for affordable put on housing developers, we will not see those new homes.
I cannot see any rainbow for Reeves
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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"Incredible how a budget delivered on *checks notes* October 30th managed to contract the economy for the entire month of October.
Did Reeves announce a massive tax on pumpkins and ghost costumes that hit last minute buyers?
So sad to see the usual suspects falling for right wing talking points again exposing their own ignorance and ability to be easily led.
Reading the BBC and ONS reports, it is the constant talking down of the economy since Labour took office and the promise of tax rises were the main causes of the drop. People have been concerned if they will have a job so hold back spending. The effects of the budget are still to come"
Perfectly put 
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"Incredible how a budget delivered on *checks notes* October 30th managed to contract the economy for the entire month of October.
Did Reeves announce a massive tax on pumpkins and ghost costumes that hit last minute buyers?
So sad to see the usual suspects falling for right wing talking points again exposing their own ignorance and ability to be easily led.
Reading the BBC and ONS reports, it is the constant talking down of the economy since Labour took office and the promise of tax rises were the main causes of the drop. People have been concerned if they will have a job so hold back spending. The effects of the budget are still to come
Perfectly put
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The population of the country should read this forum. There's no talking down of the economy on here.  |
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By *otMe66Man 2 weeks ago
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"Incredible how a budget delivered on *checks notes* October 30th managed to contract the economy for the entire month of October.
Did Reeves announce a massive tax on pumpkins and ghost costumes that hit last minute buyers?
So sad to see the usual suspects falling for right wing talking points again exposing their own ignorance and ability to be easily led.
Reading the BBC and ONS reports, it is the constant talking down of the economy since Labour took office and the promise of tax rises were the main causes of the drop. People have been concerned if they will have a job so hold back spending. The effects of the budget are still to come
Perfectly put
The population of the country should read this forum. There's no talking down of the economy on here. "
The majority of the voting population put labour in charge and will be / are influenced by their comments, which has resulted in a shrinking economy.
The figures are the figures... |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth "
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this "
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse. |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse. "
Or more likely make things much better |
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better "
They would need to reinvent themselves |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves "
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made "
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic ) |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic ) "
Why were the public services under funded? |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made "
You could also say that they have plenty of time to dig themselves into a much deeper hole.
Early mistakes have a bad habit of compounding themselves.
Just ask the ghosts of Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan. |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
You could also say that they have plenty of time to dig themselves into a much deeper hole.
Early mistakes have a bad habit of compounding themselves.
Just ask the ghosts of Harold Wilson and Jim Callaghan."
45 year ago? Or we could remeber Liz Truss instead?
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded? "
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up "
Austerity failed miserably |
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By *otMe66Man 1 week ago
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably "
We might have another chance to play it out again, hopefully with better results.
We have history repeating itself, banished and then reappering making the same mistakes as they did last time. |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably
We might have another chance to play it out again, hopefully with better results.
We have history repeating itself, banished and then reappering making the same mistakes as they did last time."
Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain |
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By *ouple49Couple 1 week ago
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"UK’s economy shrinks unexpectedly by 0.1% in October
Business confidence falls for last four consecutive months.
No coincidence this on labours watch.
It’s British mentality of bashing wealthy and creating too many entitled living on dole, allowed to vote…so what else could you expect.
Make NHS private for 18-60 yrs old, and see how people start appreciating wealthy as they need more jobs to pay insurance cost.
Right now Labour voters just laugh at hard working and tax paying people, they just don’t understand the long term implications.
Labour wants to build homes and grow economy - by doing what, Taxing business and choking them…common idiots …you need to give tax cuts/beraks to wealthy people so they can set up their shop here and create job opportunities. These are seriously living in La La land in age of darkest powers looming over head, artificial general intelligence.
Bring wealthy people to invest in this country before it’s too late. But Labours Marxist ideology is taking this nation in shit hole. "
Realism, I’d say |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain "
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible. |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible. "
The economy went up 0.2 % in August , down 0.1 % in September and October, so it’s 0% over that time frame , btw it was 0% in June and July as well |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible.
The economy went up 0.2 % in August , down 0.1 % in September and October, so it’s 0% over that time frame , btw it was 0% in June and July as well "
Business confidence down, four consecutive months July - Oct
Inflation up 1.7 2.3%
Starmers three months talking economy down -
Self fulfilling prophecy |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible.
The economy went up 0.2 % in August , down 0.1 % in September and October, so it’s 0% over that time frame , btw it was 0% in June and July as well
Business confidence down, four consecutive months July - Oct
Inflation up 1.7 2.3%
Starmers three months talking economy down -
Self fulfilling prophecy "
Have a look at the inflation figures for last year
Also have a look at the graph of the economy for the last 2 years, it’s been very unpredictable, ups and downs everywhere, for example or dropped 0.4 % in October last year |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible.
The economy went up 0.2 % in August , down 0.1 % in September and October, so it’s 0% over that time frame , btw it was 0% in June and July as well
Business confidence down, four consecutive months July - Oct
Inflation up 1.7 2.3%
Starmers three months talking economy down -
Self fulfilling prophecy "
The effects of the budget have yet to be felt in the figures but we will find out if the budget helped or not in the coming month's. Early reports from big and small businesses are not positive but hopefully they have it wrong. Hopefully the ONS also has it wrong about the long term growth not improving despite that being the stated aim of the chancellor |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible.
The economy went up 0.2 % in August , down 0.1 % in September and October, so it’s 0% over that time frame , btw it was 0% in June and July as well
Business confidence down, four consecutive months July - Oct
Inflation up 1.7 - 2.3%
Starmers three months talking economy down -
Self fulfilling prophecy
The effects of the budget have yet to be felt in the figures but we will find out if the budget helped or not in the coming month's. Early reports from big and small businesses are not positive but hopefully they have it wrong. Hopefully the ONS also has it wrong about the long term growth not improving despite that being the stated aim of the chancellor "
Tourism poor, we are v light on bookings and not much in for next year. Plymouth Harley and triumph outlets in administration, billionaire Range boss made £25M loss, ONS also reports more businesses closing than being opened. Credit conditions at banks remain both tight and expensive for businesses, not much happening below 8% and only short term commitments being offered. And as you say impact of budget yet to be seen. |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably "
Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
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Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system "
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411? "
You're making the same argument as he did. Only you can't see that  |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
You're making the same argument as he did. Only you can't see that "
No I am not |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
You're making the same argument as he did. Only you can't see that
No I am not "
You really are.
Glad to see you haven't changed in the last few weeks though |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411? "
you obviously have zero knowledge politically probably have zero knowledge of life and I don't have the time to educate simpletons who reply nonsense..put your Rod away this fish isn't biting |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411? you obviously have zero knowledge politically probably have zero knowledge of life and I don't have the time to educate simpletons who reply nonsense..put your Rod away this fish isn't biting "
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411? "
Because we have a first past the post system. Reform got a higher percentage of the vote than the Lib Dems who gained around 65 seats. Reform's share was 14.3% and Labour 33.7% so there's a huge disparity in seats versus vote share. |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
Because we have a first past the post system. Reform got a higher percentage of the vote than the Lib Dems who gained around 65 seats. Reform's share was 14.3% and Labour 33.7% so there's a huge disparity in seats versus vote share."
True, but that is the system we have in place, either way, Labour got over double the number of votes that reform got , |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
Because we have a first past the post system. Reform got a higher percentage of the vote than the Lib Dems who gained around 65 seats. Reform's share was 14.3% and Labour 33.7% so there's a huge disparity in seats versus vote share.
True, but that is the system we have in place, either way, Labour got over double the number of votes that reform got , "
I agree...the system is flawed....a huge parliamentary majority with only a third of the vote. |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
Because we have a first past the post system. Reform got a higher percentage of the vote than the Lib Dems who gained around 65 seats. Reform's share was 14.3% and Labour 33.7% so there's a huge disparity in seats versus vote share.
True, but that is the system we have in place, either way, Labour got over double the number of votes that reform got ,
I agree...the system is flawed....a huge parliamentary majority with only a third of the vote."
Tbh, I don’t think there is any chance of it changing, |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
Because we have a first past the post system. Reform got a higher percentage of the vote than the Lib Dems who gained around 65 seats. Reform's share was 14.3% and Labour 33.7% so there's a huge disparity in seats versus vote share.
True, but that is the system we have in place, either way, Labour got over double the number of votes that reform got ,
I agree...the system is flawed....a huge parliamentary majority with only a third of the vote.
Tbh, I don’t think there is any chance of it changing, "
Looks like there's some momentum for change but any government holding power with the current system is unlikely to give it up sadly. |
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Time will tell, thankfully labour have time on their side, no more populist short term solutions, we need sensible long term solutions even if it means a bit of pain before gain
You are joking, three months in after two months of negative economic growth we find out the new chancellor has a fake CV
And our Angela nvq level 2 sign language aka the thickest in Westminster has been told by councils building her flagship 1.5 million new homes is not possible.
The economy went up 0.2 % in August , down 0.1 % in September and October, so it’s 0% over that time frame , btw it was 0% in June and July as well
Business confidence down, four consecutive months July - Oct
Inflation up 1.7 - 2.3%
Starmers three months talking economy down -
Self fulfilling prophecy
The effects of the budget have yet to be felt in the figures but we will find out if the budget helped or not in the coming month's. Early reports from big and small businesses are not positive but hopefully they have it wrong. Hopefully the ONS also has it wrong about the long term growth not improving despite that being the stated aim of the chancellor
Tourism poor, we are v light on bookings and not much in for next year. Plymouth Harley and triumph outlets in administration, billionaire Range boss made £25M loss, ONS also reports more businesses closing than being opened. Credit conditions at banks remain both tight and expensive for businesses, not much happening below 8% and only short term commitments being offered. And as you say impact of budget yet to be seen. "
The next year or maybe 2 should show an increase in the economy due to the amount of public money being pumped in. Unfortunately after that it is predicted to drop back to where it would have been anyway, maybe even lower. If the spike in the next year or 2 is not as significant as hoped or worse still does not occur then we will be in the smelly stuff. I see why they have watered down the pledge to be the fastest growing economy in the G7 |
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"So much for Labour's plan for growth
Labour have been in power since July, it will take years to mend the damage done by 14 years of the tories and Brexit , thankfully they have at least 4 more years to achieve this
True, they've got plenty of time to make things much worse.
Or more likely make things much better
They would need to reinvent themselves
Not at all, short term pain for long term gain, they have plenty of time to turn things around, it will take years to clean up the mess the tories made
The Tories (never voted for them in my life) did not leave an economic mess, Labour inherited an improving economy. (Declining under funded public services is not to be confused with economic )
Why were the public services under funded?
Do you want the short version? Tory austerity measures were implemented because the last Labour government borrowed excessively, lost control of public finances, and left the country with a significant deficit. Austerity was a response to fix the fiscal mess Labour created.
Watch you don't run out of thumbs up
Austerity failed miserably Just wondering why you think Austerity is an issue with the British electorate Red or blue !! Elections in 2010 2015 2017 2019 if Austerity was such an issue surely the electorate would of voted against the Tories infact the red wall in 2019 gave Boris a landslide victory because Austerity isn't the issue the left wing keep banging on about its immigration which the Tories failed miserably with and got punished accordingly 6 months ago..truth is both Labour and Conservatives are useless and incompetent with the public purse but as there is no alternative you get lumbered with either or that's the true reality of living in a 2 party system
If immigration is such a huge issue then why did reform only get 5 MPs at the last election and labour got 411?
Because we have a first past the post system. Reform got a higher percentage of the vote than the Lib Dems who gained around 65 seats. Reform's share was 14.3% and Labour 33.7% so there's a huge disparity in seats versus vote share.
True, but that is the system we have in place, either way, Labour got over double the number of votes that reform got , "
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"PR has brought such great stability in Europe.
I hope that is sarcasm.
It certainly is, yet supporters of Reform/UKIP/Brexit parties are shouting for it."
I agree about how it can cause instability and have mentioned it on several posts in the past. At that time it was only Italy in the past that was a good example of it not working. Most of the other countries were fine until recently. I would not say it is just reform voters calling for it. Even on these threads there has been lots posts from non reform people also saying that PR is better, though it's true they were saying it when the Tories were in office and not since. Of course PR has been the big thing for the lib dems for many years as well |
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