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Wes Streeting announces the indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under 18s. Credit to him and Labour for doing the right thing.
Now let's start prosecuting the NHS monsters who destroyed children's lives for the sake of scientifically illiterate ideology. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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Good call by Streeting, and I like his straight forward announcement that gets straight to the core of the issue.
I also agree that medical staff that were negligent in the administration of the drugs should be made accountable.
How adults have let these children down is outrageous. |
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This is the correct decision, let kids be kids, lots of us felt 'funny' going through puberty. I certainly hated some of the changes I went through but I'm so glad nobody altered me surgically based on how I felt at the time. Not that I ever thought about transitioning but I was young and impressionable and definitely had some weird thoughts, thoughts that I know were weird now but felt justified then.
Anyway great news, Mrs x |
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"Wes Streeting announces the indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under 18s. Credit to him and Labour for doing the right thing.
Now let's start prosecuting the NHS monsters who destroyed children's lives for the sake of scientifically illiterate ideology."
Good decision. Wes Streeting seems to be head and shoulders above the rest in government (so far). Possible future leader? |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"Wes Streeting announces the indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under 18s. Credit to him and Labour for doing the right thing.
Now let's start prosecuting the NHS monsters who destroyed children's lives for the sake of scientifically illiterate ideology.
Good decision. Wes Streeting seems to be head and shoulders above the rest in government (so far). Possible future leader?"
I would say so, he is the only minister that sees the wider picture and how things need to work collectively. He also has strong opinions, however, he can deliver them confidently and without it feeling like he wants a physical fight or with the look of disdain |
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On the one hand, I feel sad for those under 18's who want to arrest puberty and begin a transition at a later point. (I understand that those already on blockers will continue).
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On the other hand, I'm pleased that future science is going to delve more deeply in to this, because the only way to get better science and facts is to do more peer-reviewed science. This will then inform future policy in to the safety, efficacy and cost. Thus, it's a protective measure. The NHS is supposed to help, not harm.
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With regards to the ethics..that's none of my business.
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The person with the actual body in question should have full autonomy to make that decision. They can be guided, sure. Shown info to help them make a decision, sure. But it's their decision. They "own" their bodies and their personal identity. Nature does not always choose well, wisely or kindly. |
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By *otMe66Man 8 weeks ago
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"On the one hand, I feel sad for those under 18's who want to arrest puberty and begin a transition at a later point. (I understand that those already on blockers will continue).
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On the other hand, I'm pleased that future science is going to delve more deeply in to this, because the only way to get better science and facts is to do more peer-reviewed science. This will then inform future policy in to the safety, efficacy and cost. Thus, it's a protective measure. The NHS is supposed to help, not harm.
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With regards to the ethics..that's none of my business.
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The person with the actual body in question should have full autonomy to make that decision. They can be guided, sure. Shown info to help them make a decision, sure. But it's their decision. They "own" their bodies and their personal identity. Nature does not always choose well, wisely or kindly."
You have glossed over the findings of the Cass Review and how these puberty blockers were being administered, sometimes after just an online form and one consultation. Protecting children from unproven treatments, and from their own uncertainties, is a necessary priority that has been neglected for fear of being labelled "anti". |
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"On the one hand, I feel sad for those under 18's who want to arrest puberty and begin a transition at a later point. (I understand that those already on blockers will continue).
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On the other hand, I'm pleased that future science is going to delve more deeply in to this, because the only way to get better science and facts is to do more peer-reviewed science. This will then inform future policy in to the safety, efficacy and cost. Thus, it's a protective measure. The NHS is supposed to help, not harm.
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With regards to the ethics..that's none of my business.
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The person with the actual body in question should have full autonomy to make that decision. They can be guided, sure. Shown info to help them make a decision, sure. But it's their decision. They "own" their bodies and their personal identity. Nature does not always choose well, wisely or kindly."
It's does choose 'naturally' though, and the NHS is designed to help not harm but it's purpose is not to alter 'natural' reality... Mrs x |
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"Wes Streeting announces the indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under 18s. Credit to him and Labour for doing the right thing.
Now let's start prosecuting the NHS monsters who destroyed children's lives for the sake of scientifically illiterate ideology."
Bollocks! |
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Had they banned the use of hormones that are necessary for adults wanting to transform, I would be against it. But here’s the thing, only adults can know 100%, that they want to do something that ultimately cannot be reversed. I’ve seen parents who appear to be pushing the trans narrative upon their own children, and those children have to be protected from those parents. Because once you lose or alter your bits, there is no reversing it. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting."
What's really sad about this 'input' is it automatically assumes much which is wrong about anyone who's valid opinion is based upon the current advice from those who have the necessary medical knowledge and who we trust to make such decisions based upon that which is known and that which isn't yet known..
Hey ho.. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting."
so yr the expert and our opinions don’t matter so we are all transphobic wow yr shocking
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"On the one hand, I feel sad for those under 18's who want to arrest puberty and begin a transition at a later point. (I understand that those already on blockers will continue).
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On the other hand, I'm pleased that future science is going to delve more deeply in to this, because the only way to get better science and facts is to do more peer-reviewed science. This will then inform future policy in to the safety, efficacy and cost. Thus, it's a protective measure. The NHS is supposed to help, not harm.
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With regards to the ethics..that's none of my business.
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The person with the actual body in question should have full autonomy to make that decision. They can be guided, sure. Shown info to help them make a decision, sure. But it's their decision. They "own" their bodies and their personal identity. Nature does not always choose well, wisely or kindly."
An adult person, yes.
There will always be queries at identifying adult. Legally it is 18 in England, and yet for legal purposes, a girl of 16 can legally become pregnant and have a child of their own. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting."
Societal changes affect ALL of us, it's not all about any single group. If you want change you have to take people with you or stay on the margins. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting."
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
Societal changes affect ALL of us, it's not all about any single group. If you want change you have to take people with you or stay on the margins."
When it comes to child safety and welfare in particular we all have a shared moral responsibility- so many awful cases of abuse where people have been reluctant to get involved as it didn't directly 'affect' them. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice."
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Surely the conundrum is that if one waits till adulthood, unalterable changes will have occurred, which some some children aren’t the “right” change.
But blocking the change at an age when many people are confused could be risky.
But if would be helpful to have input on here from people with more relevant experience/knowledge. As I raid the one critical comment, saying that other posters were just transphobic, I was hoping for that.
On the other hand, perhaps this isn’t the only place to form opinions, and I should read around the subject a little more… |
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By *d4ugirlsMan 8 weeks ago
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"On the one hand, I feel sad for those under 18's who want to arrest puberty and begin a transition at a later point. (I understand that those already on blockers will continue).
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On the other hand, I'm pleased that future science is going to delve more deeply in to this, because the only way to get better science and facts is to do more peer-reviewed science. This will then inform future policy in to the safety, efficacy and cost. Thus, it's a protective measure. The NHS is supposed to help, not harm.
.
With regards to the ethics..that's none of my business.
.
The person with the actual body in question should have full autonomy to make that decision. They can be guided, sure. Shown info to help them make a decision, sure. But it's their decision. They "own" their bodies and their personal identity. Nature does not always choose well, wisely or kindly."
Kids at these ages cannot figure out if it is telly tubbies or sesame Street for television viewing.
But yet some expect them to be able to figure out if they want to take drugs for more dangerous than alcohol, but yet these same people would agree alcohol is not a good choice for you guns.
I am glad that since November 5th, common sense is coming back. And people are no longer intimidated to not voice their concerns. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting."
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Lol you are serious think with your past comments from other stuff you are hi, me understand I'm crossdresser but kind of inbaras for you, ps check your profile don't look Trans more HPW sorry. |
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"Wes Streeting announces the indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under 18s. Credit to him and Labour for doing the right thing.
Now let's start prosecuting the NHS monsters who destroyed children's lives for the sake of scientifically illiterate ideology."
No he hasn't banned them for all under 18s. He's banned them for trans kids. Perhaps we need to explore your understanding of scientific illiteracy a little more? |
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"Wes Streeting announces the indefinite ban on puberty blockers for under 18s. Credit to him and Labour for doing the right thing.
Now let's start prosecuting the NHS monsters who destroyed children's lives for the sake of scientifically illiterate ideology.
Good decision. Wes Streeting seems to be head and shoulders above the rest in government (so far). Possible future leader?"
Why else do you think he made a decision that has no basis in science? |
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"If a child can consent to this then what else will sickos be allowing kids to consent to at a younger age "
Have you ever read the court decision in Gillick? I'm guessing not, but the courts pretty much sorted out the question of medical consent in, wait for it, 1986.
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice."
The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable. |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice.The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable."
Can I ask what your thoughts are on the Cass report, its findings and recommendations? |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice.The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable.
Can I ask what your thoughts are on the Cass report, its findings and recommendations? "
It's little better than worthless. The pretext for the exclusion of trans people under 18 from the use of puberty blockers flies in the face of the Gillick judgement on competence, and makes no sense when there is no possibility of ever running a double blind trial on puberty blockers. However, the long run evidence from all uses of these drugs is that they have no significant risks. The long run evidence from fifty years or more of gender affirmative practice is that the remorse or regret rates are no higher than in other medical practice, that there are clear and demonstrable benefits from gender affirmation, and that it's an area where de-politicizing government policy with regard to it would allow much better quality analysis and research into improving outcomes. Currently, even before the Tavistock inquiry and the Cass report, it was hard to distinguish which issues reported by patients in the gender ID system were features of who they were,a nd which were artefacts of the enormous delays in seeing specialists and the ruthless gatekeeping of some parts of the system.
TL:DR The Cass Review levies unsupported assertions about gender identity, gender
dysphoria, standard practices, and the safety of gender-affirming medical treatments, and
it repeats claims that have been disproved by sound evidence. (Heading to section 5 of the Yale University review of Cass). |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice.The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable.
Can I ask what your thoughts are on the Cass report, its findings and recommendations? It's little better than worthless. The pretext for the exclusion of trans people under 18 from the use of puberty blockers flies in the face of the Gillick judgement on competence, and makes no sense when there is no possibility of ever running a double blind trial on puberty blockers. However, the long run evidence from all uses of these drugs is that they have no significant risks. The long run evidence from fifty years or more of gender affirmative practice is that the remorse or regret rates are no higher than in other medical practice, that there are clear and demonstrable benefits from gender affirmation, and that it's an area where de-politicizing government policy with regard to it would allow much better quality analysis and research into improving outcomes. Currently, even before the Tavistock inquiry and the Cass report, it was hard to distinguish which issues reported by patients in the gender ID system were features of who they were,a nd which were artefacts of the enormous delays in seeing specialists and the ruthless gatekeeping of some parts of the system.
TL:DR The Cass Review levies unsupported assertions about gender identity, gender
dysphoria, standard practices, and the safety of gender-affirming medical treatments, and
it repeats claims that have been disproved by sound evidence. (Heading to section 5 of the Yale University review of Cass)."
That's the second time you've referred to Gillick.
Has it ever been tested in court for a 'trans-child'? |
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By *otMe66Man 7 weeks ago
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice.The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable.
Can I ask what your thoughts are on the Cass report, its findings and recommendations? It's little better than worthless. The pretext for the exclusion of trans people under 18 from the use of puberty blockers flies in the face of the Gillick judgement on competence, and makes no sense when there is no possibility of ever running a double blind trial on puberty blockers. However, the long run evidence from all uses of these drugs is that they have no significant risks. The long run evidence from fifty years or more of gender affirmative practice is that the remorse or regret rates are no higher than in other medical practice, that there are clear and demonstrable benefits from gender affirmation, and that it's an area where de-politicizing government policy with regard to it would allow much better quality analysis and research into improving outcomes. Currently, even before the Tavistock inquiry and the Cass report, it was hard to distinguish which issues reported by patients in the gender ID system were features of who they were,a nd which were artefacts of the enormous delays in seeing specialists and the ruthless gatekeeping of some parts of the system.
TL:DR The Cass Review levies unsupported assertions about gender identity, gender
dysphoria, standard practices, and the safety of gender-affirming medical treatments, and
it repeats claims that have been disproved by sound evidence. (Heading to section 5 of the Yale University review of Cass)."
The Cass Review doesn't dismiss puberty blockers, it highlights the lack of evidence for their longterm safety in minors with gender dysphoria. That’s not exclusion, it’s ensuring treatments are based on sound data.
I have had a read up on the Gillick judgement you mentioned and this is the crux of it: Gillick competence relates to whether children under the age of 16 can consent to medical treatment without parental permission or knowledge. from 1985 and based on prescribing contraception to under 16 year olds.
it also goes onto say:
minors must have sufficient maturity and understanding to make the decision themselves.
Understand the nature, risks, and implications of the treatment.
Doctors must determine whether a young person has this level of competence on a case-by-case basis.
It allows young people to consent, it doesn’t remove the need for treatments to be proven safe and effective, which they haven't been due to the uncontrolled nature of the administration and vetting.
And that is exactly why Streeting has followed the advice of the Cass report. |
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice.The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable.
Can I ask what your thoughts are on the Cass report, its findings and recommendations? It's little better than worthless. The pretext for the exclusion of trans people under 18 from the use of puberty blockers flies in the face of the Gillick judgement on competence, and makes no sense when there is no possibility of ever running a double blind trial on puberty blockers. However, the long run evidence from all uses of these drugs is that they have no significant risks. The long run evidence from fifty years or more of gender affirmative practice is that the remorse or regret rates are no higher than in other medical practice, that there are clear and demonstrable benefits from gender affirmation, and that it's an area where de-politicizing government policy with regard to it would allow much better quality analysis and research into improving outcomes. Currently, even before the Tavistock inquiry and the Cass report, it was hard to distinguish which issues reported by patients in the gender ID system were features of who they were,a nd which were artefacts of the enormous delays in seeing specialists and the ruthless gatekeeping of some parts of the system.
TL:DR The Cass Review levies unsupported assertions about gender identity, gender
dysphoria, standard practices, and the safety of gender-affirming medical treatments, and
it repeats claims that have been disproved by sound evidence. (Heading to section 5 of the Yale University review of Cass).
The Cass Review doesn't dismiss puberty blockers, it highlights the lack of evidence for their longterm safety in minors with gender dysphoria. That’s not exclusion, it’s ensuring treatments are based on sound data.
I have had a read up on the Gillick judgement you mentioned and this is the crux of it: Gillick competence relates to whether children under the age of 16 can consent to medical treatment without parental permission or knowledge. from 1985 and based on prescribing contraception to under 16 year olds.
it also goes onto say:
minors must have sufficient maturity and understanding to make the decision themselves.
Understand the nature, risks, and implications of the treatment.
Doctors must determine whether a young person has this level of competence on a case-by-case basis.
It allows young people to consent, it doesn’t remove the need for treatments to be proven safe and effective, which they haven't been due to the uncontrolled nature of the administration and vetting.
And that is exactly why Streeting has followed the advice of the Cass report. "
Plus the Committee on human medicine's were of the same mind, hard to see how any minister is going to ignore the advice on this from both of those..
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"All of you, transphobic know nothings. Something that affects none of you, all of you cackling with glee at an attack on a group you hate. Disgusting.
How would you like to see it played out?
I have seen my granddaughter get confused about her sexual orientation and gender since the age of 13. She is less confused now at 18. And has no plans to physically change her gender. Likewise with one of my daughters who is gender fluid.
Due to evolving hormones from puberty onwards, which can change attitudes to self gender ID, I think childhood needs to be protected from further hormonal input/blockers etc until the mind is more rational. If a child displays horrific tendencies towards their "offending genitalia" then mental health input is essential. I'd add DNA testing too. It may be the outwardly female has a Y chromosome. Then the brain is Aligning with biology.
Point I am making is treat these children holistically. Most will simply be going through puberty, but others may be part of the small percentage in the wrong body biologically. Others mentally in the wrong body who need support until adulthood when they can make the choice.The problem is that the mental health input you seem to be advocating is going to be nothing more than conversion therapy in disguise. Like a lot of people you seem to overthrow the whole body of law on consent in adolescence and replace it with a rigid age bar to make you feel comfortable."
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What I’m not understanding is why do people care so much when it doesn’t impact them. If they aren’t related or know a person who requires puberty blockers why the avid interest. Mind your own business and get on with your day. |
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"What I’m not understanding is why do people care so much when it doesn’t impact them. If they aren’t related or know a person who requires puberty blockers why the avid interest. Mind your own business and get on with your day."
If somebody was going around assaulting Catholics, I'd care about that. I'm not related to any Catholics, and I don't know any, but I'd still care that they are being harmed. |
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"What I’m not understanding is why do people care so much when it doesn’t impact them. If they aren’t related or know a person who requires puberty blockers why the avid interest. Mind your own business and get on with your day.
If somebody was going around assaulting Catholics, I'd care about that. I'm not related to any Catholics, and I don't know any, but I'd still care that they are being harmed."
It is very obvious that people wanted to keep what was happening to children at the Tavistock out of view. Keep moving, nothing to see here. |
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