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"surely this belongs in the lounge" Nope it's the right v the left.  | |||
"surely this belongs in the lounge Nope it's the right v the left. " | |||
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"It's OK, I was in a queue for the roundabout and the driver in front was on his phone dawdling. Years ago you could get pulled by the cops for misuse of the roundabout. " Yes it seems more popular than I'd imagined. But it's interesting that people don't queue jump in the supermarket or bank but put them in a tin box and off they go. Why? | |||
"It's OK, I was in a queue for the roundabout and the driver in front was on his phone dawdling. Years ago you could get pulled by the cops for misuse of the roundabout. Yes it seems more popular than I'd imagined. But it's interesting that people don't queue jump in the supermarket or bank but put them in a tin box and off they go. Why?" Too many stupid drivers cause other drivers to take extreme measures. Power behind the wheel for some. | |||
"I do this all the time. It’s an efficient and lawful use of the road." Like it will have to try it out next week. | |||
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"Filtering ? " Filtering (or herringbone in US/Canada) is when you arrive at a merge point at the same time. But in the OP situation, a driver just jumps the queue. | |||
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"If working, I cannot afford to queue if there's a safe alternative. It's time taken away from patients." Do the other drivers clap? | |||
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"surely this belongs in the lounge Nope it's the right v the left.
..and only the loony left would queue when the alternative is making the far right move!"..and only the llony left would queue when the alternative is taking the far right course! | |||
"If working, I cannot afford to queue if there's a safe alternative. It's time taken away from patients." Confused as to why you would be driving about if your supposed to be working? If it is home health care, better to have a bit of planning in drive times and arrive safe, instead of not at all! | |||
"If working, I cannot afford to queue if there's a safe alternative. It's time taken away from patients. Confused as to why you would be driving about if your supposed to be working? If it is home health care, better to have a bit of planning in drive times and arrive safe, instead of not at all!" do you think thats how the nhs is run 😂think of evri drivers but for healthcare | |||
"So I saw this motoring hack on another site, and was surprised at the response. So say you are approaching a roundabout to turn left and there is a long queue in the lefthand lane. But the righthand lane is free. Do you move over into the righthand lane, turn right around the roundabout, and off down your target road? To me it's queue jumping and deplorable but over 80% thought it was a smart hack and acceptable. What to FAB drivers think?" Done it many times, it's not illegal... part of knowing the highway code and ex dispatch rider 👍 | |||
"If working, I cannot afford to queue if there's a safe alternative. It's time taken away from patients. Do the other drivers clap?" They bang their saucepans. | |||
"If working, I cannot afford to queue if there's a safe alternative. It's time taken away from patients. Confused as to why you would be driving about if your supposed to be working? If it is home health care, better to have a bit of planning in drive times and arrive safe, instead of not at all!do you think thats how the nhs is run 😂think of evri drivers but for healthcare " Better than an Audi driver, or is it BMW (I signal  ) | |||
"If working, I cannot afford to queue if there's a safe alternative. It's time taken away from patients. Do the other drivers clap? They bang their saucepans." So they should too!! | |||
"I do this all the time. It’s an efficient and lawful use of the road." Absolutely. I often do it. It's called sling shotting I think. It's not illegal and it's a good way of keeping traffic flowing more freely | |||
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 , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that! | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that! "free your mind and buy a motorcycle | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
free your mind and buy a motorcycle "True, but I'm not keen on the cloak of invisibility that comes with it | |||
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"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that! "Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank. | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank."What you saying when flying Buiness class you should not use the queue jumping that is layer on for you at security and boarding l. Lol | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank."I think it is more to do with people trying to make up the rules, rather than abiding by them. In both examples of using free road lanes, there is no breaking the rules of the road, the rule of queuing you are defending is unwritten
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"We both do it.. I was actually taught to do it by my driving instructor" I do it as a mark of courtesy to all the mugs queuing on the left. All the Range Rover and BMW brigade just steam up the empty lane and push in at the last minute. I like to show the buggers how civilised people do it! | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank.
What you saying when flying Buiness class you should not use the queue jumping that is layer on for you at security and boarding l. Lol"Surely the RH and lane is there for drivers going straight ahead or turning right? The LH lane is for turning left (not slingshotting). So yes, there's an argument for staying in your designated lane like airports. | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank.
I think it is more to do with people trying to make up the rules, rather than abiding by them.
In both examples of using free road lanes, there is no breaking the rules of the road, the rule of queuing you are defending is unwritten
"It is against the rules to misuse lanes - 'slingshotting' is currently an ambiguous case, and road experts are divided. | |||
"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ..." Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that? | |||
"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ... Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that?" From CPS : Careless or inconsiderate driving such as misusing lanes to gain advantage over other drivers. In practice, lane discipline is seldom enforced except on motorways. | |||
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"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank.
I think it is more to do with people trying to make up the rules, rather than abiding by them.
In both examples of using free road lanes, there is no breaking the rules of the road, the rule of queuing you are defending is unwritten
It is against the rules to misuse lanes - 'slingshotting' is currently an ambiguous case, and road experts are divided."It is ambiguous due to the person travelling in the right hand lane will actually turn right at the roundabout. I have had another thought on this, if there is such a delay n the left lane, it is going to be 1 of 2 things: the left lane being moved onto is blocked, or the traffic coming from the right is to constant to allow the left lane to move. If it is the latter a car travelling arounf the roundabout will break the flow coming from the righ and allow cars on the left a chance to move. I think that makes sense. | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank.
I think it is more to do with people trying to make up the rules, rather than abiding by them.
In both examples of using free road lanes, there is no breaking the rules of the road, the rule of queuing you are defending is unwritten
It is against the rules to misuse lanes - 'slingshotting' is currently an ambiguous case, and road experts are divided.
It is ambiguous due to the person travelling in the right hand lane will actually turn right at the roundabout.
I have had another thought on this, if there is such a delay n the left lane, it is going to be 1 of 2 things: the left lane being moved onto is blocked, or the traffic coming from the right is to constant to allow the left lane to move. If it is the latter a car travelling arounf the roundabout will break the flow coming from the righ and allow cars on the left a chance to move.
I think that makes sense. "I suppose so, or would the slingshotters block the roundabout and then leave no opportunity for vehicles turning left? I guess that's their purpose anyway right? | |||
"Oooh, this thread has hit on my ultimate pet hate! If there’s one thing that truly drives me crazy , it’s the unique British driver mentality of “This road is mine, and nobody, absolutely nobody, is getting in front of me".
Nowhere is this more painfully obvious than when two lanes merge into one. Even when there are signs that clearly say, “Use both lanes”
Instead of following that advice, people obediently queue in a single file like it’s a legal requirement, backing up traffic, blocking junctions, and creating the lane merge situation into a national disaster.
And if you actually use the free lane to merge further ahead, be prepared for The guardians of the roads. They are the ones straddling both lanes, self appointed representatives of the tolerant, there to police traffic and block anyone from using the second lane. They’re angry, they’re righteous, and they’ll not tolerate you going about your day if it means you can get ahead.
Then there are the tailgaters, glued to the bumper in front with millimetre precision, just to make sure no one dares to sneak in.
Circling the roundabout would blow their minds, how could they control that!
Well this is the strange thing. As Brits, not jumping queues is in our DNA. There is no action more likely to make you an instant social outcast. Yet here we have people (the majority it seems) gleefully queue jumping once they're in a steel box. True, it's not strictly illegal, but nor is walking straight past the queue up to a teller in the bank.
I think it is more to do with people trying to make up the rules, rather than abiding by them.
In both examples of using free road lanes, there is no breaking the rules of the road, the rule of queuing you are defending is unwritten
It is against the rules to misuse lanes - 'slingshotting' is currently an ambiguous case, and road experts are divided.
It is ambiguous due to the person travelling in the right hand lane will actually turn right at the roundabout.
I have had another thought on this, if there is such a delay n the left lane, it is going to be 1 of 2 things: the left lane being moved onto is blocked, or the traffic coming from the right is to constant to allow the left lane to move. If it is the latter a car travelling arounf the roundabout will break the flow coming from the righ and allow cars on the left a chance to move.
I think that makes sense.
I suppose so, or would the slingshotters block the roundabout and then leave no opportunity for vehicles turning left? I guess that's their purpose anyway right?"Potentially they could block the roundabout, would that be a traffic offence at that point? I think we are getting to the meat on the bone. If a queue has formed in the left lane, and a car turning right around the roundabout brings the car back to the left exit and, upon doing so it allows the car to travel through the exit, has that been a problem or one less car in the queue? If that move is carried out but ends with the car blocking the island, fine them. All this going around, I feel giddy | |||
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"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ... Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that?" according to my friendly local plod, if the lane markings show that the lane is for turning right, then the offence of failing to obey a sign is committed if you slingshot. Make of that what you will. | |||
"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ... Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that?according to my friendly local plod, if the lane markings show that the lane is for turning right, then the offence of failing to obey a sign is committed if you slingshot. Make of that what you will. " On approaching a roundabout the right hand lane is for any junction past 12 o’clock on the road sign on the left up to the roundabout. | |||
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"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ... Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that?according to my friendly local plod, if the lane markings show that the lane is for turning right, then the offence of failing to obey a sign is committed if you slingshot. Make of that what you will. On approaching a roundabout the right hand lane is for any junction past 12 o’clock on the road sign on the left up to the roundabout." Do you know what a non sequitur is? Nothing in your post which quotes my post addresses the point I made. | |||
"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ..." "Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that?" "according to my friendly local plod, if the lane markings show that the lane is for turning right, then the offence of failing to obey a sign is committed if you slingshot." He's wrong. The lane markings aren't defined in the Highway Code, so they don't have a written definition. The Code accepts that going all the way round a roundabout is a legitimate manoeuvre, so the right hand lane, with a right facing arrow, would be the correct lane in which to do that. | |||
"On approaching a roundabout the right hand lane is for any junction past 12 o’clock on the road sign on the left up to the roundabout." That is not what the Highway Code says. It says that if you are going straight ahead you should "select the appropriate lane" (rule 186), which could be the right hand lane if there are just 2 approach lanes. | |||
"It is against the rules to misuse lanes ... Is it? Which rule in the Highway Code says that? according to my friendly local plod, if the lane markings show that the lane is for turning right, then the offence of failing to obey a sign is committed if you slingshot. He's wrong. The lane markings aren't defined in the Highway Code, so they don't have a written definition. The Code accepts that going all the way round a roundabout is a legitimate manoeuvre, so the right hand lane, with a right facing arrow, would be the correct lane in which to do that." This Your local friendly plod should, but likely doesn't, have a good knowledge of laws | |||
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"Those inestimable chaps at the CPS say that "misusing lanes to gain advantage over other drivers" is considered "careless or inconsiderate driving". Whether they, or the Police, would take action is a moot point - probably only in the instance of a RTA." The chaps at the CPS do a good job of explaining the law, but they do over-simplify on occasion. Regardless of that, the original statement was that "it is against the rules to misuse lanes", but sling-shotting isn't misusing the lanes, because there are no rules against it. | |||
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"So I saw this motoring hack on another site, and was surprised at the response. So say you are approaching a roundabout to turn left and there is a long queue in the lefthand lane. But the righthand lane is free. Do you move over into the righthand lane, turn right around the roundabout, and off down your target road? To me it's queue jumping and deplorable but over 80% thought it was a smart hack and acceptable. What to FAB drivers think?" It's called "slingshotting" and perfectly legal. I've done it countless times and will continue to do so until it's made illegal. | |||
