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A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ? |
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I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
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If the tories can't reinvent themselves, like labour couldn't, the above is on the cards.
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People are fed up of only ever being offered only a "Two Horse Race" option where they perceive BOTH entrants in the race to be hopeless donkeys.
This sees many for quite a few years now ending up voting for as they see it the "Best of a bad job".
Therefore any new party able to muster a perceived "viable alternative" stance is going to be hugely attractive to the "politically homeless" millions in the UK. |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
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"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"They might get 10 seats in 2029.
Isn't it amazing how powerful GBNews are. I even searche this and they were the first link  "
I think they will gain more at the next election, but everything will be on how Badenoch brings back the voters who didn’t go out to vote. If they fell they haven’t got a party to vote for in a 3rd election I can see them putting X in the reform box. |
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"People are fed up of only ever being offered only a "Two Horse Race" option where they perceive BOTH entrants in the race to be hopeless donkeys.
This sees many for quite a few years now ending up voting for as they see it the "Best of a bad job".
Therefore any new party able to muster a perceived "viable alternative" stance is going to be hugely attractive to the "politically homeless" millions in the UK. "
There's some truth in this. Just sad that people are moving to the lame donkey. |
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"They might get 10 seats in 2029.
Isn't it amazing how powerful GBNews are. I even searche this and they were the first link
I think they will gain more at the next election, but everything will be on how Badenoch brings back the voters who didn’t go out to vote. If they fell they haven’t got a party to vote for in a 3rd election I can see them putting X in the reform box. "
I do too tbh but I've been listening to people round here who are a lot more politically astute then I 
Rumours of Jenrick defecting, if that happens, it really will help reform. |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck"
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party? |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?"
I can offer a couple, it might help change your mind
Introduce PR (I think that is a vote winner for you)
Reduce government waste and more efficient public spending
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By *andu66Couple 7 days ago
South Devon |
"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
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But surely he is the man of the people, anti establishment 🤣🤣🤣 |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Love this as it just splits the Tory vote, looks like it will be for a long time as well."
I'm not convinced it will, it only works like that if Labour don't mess up, which they are already in the middle of, and we have economic shockwaves coming our way from the budget.
The other factor is Badenoch not pulling back the tories who voted reform, there is a reason she got the role |
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Unless the tories and reform get heads together and thrash out some kind of pact then I think sadly we will just allow Labour in via the back door again. Let's face it the only reason they won was because of voter apathy to come out to vote and the centre right vote totally fractured between tory and reform. |
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By *andu66Couple 7 days ago
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"Love this as it just splits the Tory vote, looks like it will be for a long time as well.
I'm not convinced it will, it only works like that if Labour don't mess up, which they are already in the middle of, and we have economic shockwaves coming our way from the budget.
The other factor is Badenoch not pulling back the tories who voted reform, there is a reason she got the role "
It all ready did in the GE. The split will get bigger as time goes on, they will fight each for votes and everyone can just sit back and watch. |
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Does anyone remember the formation of the SDP in the 80s?
They dominated opinion polls and won the odd by-election.
They didn't go on to seize power.
They eventually merged with the Liberals.
The Lib Dems only had a bite of power in a minority coalition almost 30 years after the SDP were formed.
I suspect a similar outcome will emerge with Reform and the Tories. |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
"
Well if adopt the approach that successful people can’t be MP’s I guess what we end up with is Rachel from Accounts as Chancellor, a Transport Secretary who spent her time before she became an MP working out how to defraud her employer so she could get a new mobile phone, and some dull middle manager as PM.
It’s just mind boggling how low calibre the current government is. It’s not surprising they are making such a mess of things. |
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By *andu66Couple 7 days ago
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"Does anyone remember the formation of the SDP in the 80s?
They dominated opinion polls and won the odd by-election.
They didn't go on to seize power.
They eventually merged with the Liberals.
The Lib Dems only had a bite of power in a minority coalition almost 30 years after the SDP were formed.
I suspect a similar outcome will emerge with Reform and the Tories."
Let's hope so! |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Love this as it just splits the Tory vote, looks like it will be for a long time as well.
I'm not convinced it will, it only works like that if Labour don't mess up, which they are already in the middle of, and we have economic shockwaves coming our way from the budget.
The other factor is Badenoch not pulling back the tories who voted reform, there is a reason she got the role
It all ready did in the GE. The split will get bigger as time goes on, they will fight each for votes and everyone can just sit back and watch."
Most tory voters who voted reform, did so for 2 reasons. Firstly, they knew the party was done and needed to put an X somewhere.
Second reason, some tory voters didn't believe the tory party was right wing and Reform offered them a choice.
The outcome of this is, the tory party now need to pull back some Reform voters by reshaping the party and showing strong leadership, this should bring back the tory voters who needed somewhere to put a X, it might not be enough for those who thought the party wasn't right enough.
The 2 elements that are most important are, the tory voters who did not vote at all and the performance of the sitting government.
The tory party needs rebuilding and to be seen as centre before they win back the no voters, and Labour only have themselves to blame if they throw away the government. |
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"Labour campaigned against Trump
This will bite Starmer in the arse very soon. Lammy too, careless comments from this clown
Farage backed Trump on his campaign "
What made me laugh was Starmer was so convinced Harris would win and he was going to try and capitalise on it. |
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"People are fed up of only ever being offered only a "Two Horse Race" option where they perceive BOTH entrants in the race to be hopeless donkeys.
This sees many for quite a few years now ending up voting for as they see it the "Best of a bad job".
Therefore any new party able to muster a perceived "viable alternative" stance is going to be hugely attractive to the "politically homeless" millions in the UK. "
I concur. This is what we are seeing and why the Westminster intention polls are reporting as they are.
Yes, Reform are splitting the Tory vote but they are also mopping up many disillusioned Labour voters.
Of course its a while until the next GE but it will be intriguing indeed to see how this pans out.
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"Labour campaigned against Trump
This will bite Starmer in the arse very soon. Lammy too, careless comments from this clown
Farage backed Trump on his campaign
What made me laugh was Starmer was so convinced Harris would win and he was going to try and capitalise on it."
Starmer has no voice to USA with Trump as potus |
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"Love this as it just splits the Tory vote, looks like it will be for a long time as well."
Not really what the vote projection says. Reform are likely to pick up Labour seats in the Red Wall where working class voters are very concerned about immigration but were let down by Conservatives after 2019. Likely outcome is small Cons majority or Con-Reform coalition. No chance Labour can win even a minority Govt at 25% of vote. |
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"Does anyone remember the formation of the SDP in the 80s?
They dominated opinion polls and won the odd by-election.
They didn't go on to seize power.
They eventually merged with the Liberals.
The Lib Dems only had a bite of power in a minority coalition almost 30 years after the SDP were formed.
I suspect a similar outcome will emerge with Reform and the Tories."
Arguably SDP did get their policies in Govt through New Labour. Equally if Cons move towards Reform they could win lot of their voters, at risk of losing others.
Also SDP was always an elite project with no popular base. Like it or not, Reform is closely aligned with large percentage of voters concerns. |
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By *andu66Couple 7 days ago
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"Labour campaigned against Trump
This will bite Starmer in the arse very soon. Lammy too, careless comments from this clown
Farage backed Trump on his campaign
What made me laugh was Starmer was so convinced Harris would win and he was going to try and capitalise on it.
Starmer has no voice to USA with Trump as potus "
I hope he doesn't, because if he did then the price will be: the UK flooded with very nasty food and much more like health care, schools and jobs will suffer....Now is the time to cut free and not be little American |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Labour campaigned against Trump
This will bite Starmer in the arse very soon. Lammy too, careless comments from this clown
Farage backed Trump on his campaign
What made me laugh was Starmer was so convinced Harris would win and he was going to try and capitalise on it.
Starmer has no voice to USA with Trump as potus
I hope he doesn't, because if he did then the price will be: the UK flooded with very nasty food and much more like health care, schools and jobs will suffer....Now is the time to cut free and not be little American "
We are an island nation and need more than we produce. Trade deals need to be built post Brexit, and there should be no assumption that trade deals would or should contain elements that we as a country would not be accepting of. That is not how good deals are made. |
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"Labour campaigned against Trump
This will bite Starmer in the arse very soon. Lammy too, careless comments from this clown
Farage backed Trump on his campaign
What made me laugh was Starmer was so convinced Harris would win and he was going to try and capitalise on it.
Starmer has no voice to USA with Trump as potus
I hope he doesn't, because if he did then the price will be: the UK flooded with very nasty food and much more like health care, schools and jobs will suffer....Now is the time to cut free and not be little American "
but Brexit was hoping for a USA trade deal
In June 2023, Biden and Sunak announced the 'Atlantic Declaration' to strengthen economic ties between the UK and the US. The agreement included a limited trade pact covering critical minerals needed for EV batteries, a new data protection deal, and easing other trade barriers
Lammy pissed on that calling Trump a neo nazi kkk supporting sociopath. And starmer has campaign against president elect Trump. |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?"
massive immigration and illegal migrant control |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?massive immigration and illegal migrant control"
What are their policies and how would they implement them? |
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By *andu66Couple 7 days ago
South Devon |
"Labour campaigned against Trump
This will bite Starmer in the arse very soon. Lammy too, careless comments from this clown
Farage backed Trump on his campaign
What made me laugh was Starmer was so convinced Harris would win and he was going to try and capitalise on it.
Starmer has no voice to USA with Trump as potus
I hope he doesn't, because if he did then the price will be: the UK flooded with very nasty food and much more like health care, schools and jobs will suffer....Now is the time to cut free and not be little American
but Brexit was hoping for a USA trade deal
In June 2023, Biden and Sunak announced the 'Atlantic Declaration' to strengthen economic ties between the UK and the US. The agreement included a limited trade pact covering critical minerals needed for EV batteries, a new data protection deal, and easing other trade barriers
Lammy pissed on that calling Trump a neo nazi kkk supporting sociopath. And starmer has campaign against president elect Trump. "
The Atlantic declaration means nothing, that was then this is now.
Trump has said himself he will reshape trade relationships with everyone, and slap tariffs on.The less we have to do with Trump the better.
Brexit and hope are words that should not be mixed together |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?massive immigration and illegal migrant control"
Also getting rid of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods that actually cause more traffic and pollution then it prevents |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?
I can offer a couple, it might help change your mind
Introduce PR (I think that is a vote winner for you)
Reduce government waste and more efficient public spending
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I'm indifferent to PR.
Reducing waste is good. How would they do this? Would this offset the waste created by their hairbrand schemes? |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?massive immigration and illegal migrant control Also getting rid of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods that actually cause more traffic and pollution then it prevents "
That’ll certainly solve all the countries problems.  |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
Well if adopt the approach that successful people can’t be MP’s I guess what we end up with is Rachel from Accounts as Chancellor, a Transport Secretary who spent her time before she became an MP working out how to defraud her employer so she could get a new mobile phone, and some dull middle manager as PM.
It’s just mind boggling how low calibre the current government is. It’s not surprising they are making such a mess of things."
Successful at working outside of parliament, lining his own pockets. Not sure why this is a desirable trait in an MP.
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"Come the council elections please next May, everyone who don't like Labour just vote them out and replace with Reform if you can"
Can you give us an example of why voting for Reform would be a good thing? |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?massive immigration and illegal migrant control Also getting rid of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods that actually cause more traffic and pollution then it prevents "
So creating huge deficit in the workforce and more pollution.
Anyone got any raise on this? |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
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so what? sir Keith Stalin was gifted over £100k in items, mostly from Lord Alli and then Lord Alli seemed to get a pass to Downing Street and was involved in many selections of MPs.
Nigel isn’t doing anything corrupt. |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
so what? sir Keith Stalin was gifted over £100k in items, mostly from Lord Alli and then Lord Alli seemed to get a pass to Downing Street and was involved in many selections of MPs.
Nigel isn’t doing anything corrupt."
Good point, what about someone else. |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
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How does his other work = doesn't give a fuck about the country? |
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"Come the council elections please next May, everyone who don't like Labour just vote them out and replace with Reform if you can
Can you give us an example of why voting for Reform would be a good thing?"
It would boost viewers for GB News  |
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?massive immigration and illegal migrant control Also getting rid of Low Traffic Neighbourhoods that actually cause more traffic and pollution then it prevents
That’ll certainly solve all the countries problems. "
actually it will solve some of it, will help keep the economy moving and not stall it |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"Good, hope this trend of Reform being popular continues as quite frankly both the Tories and Labour suck
Do you have an example of something positive that could or would come from the Reform party?
I can offer a couple, it might help change your mind
Introduce PR (I think that is a vote winner for you)
Reduce government waste and more efficient public spending
I'm indifferent to PR.
Reducing waste is good. How would they do this? Would this offset the waste created by their hairbrand schemes?"
My guess is the same way as labour, wing it and hope for the best, we know how that is shaping up right now.... |
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
"Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far.".
Yes, obviously not in parliament you mean.
Farage earned £301,529 from his second jobs since becoming an MP.
And just got paid £40,075 by a company that advises ultra rich people to offshore their tax.
It's almost as if he doesn't give a fuck about the country, can't be though? Could it?
Well if adopt the approach that successful people can’t be MP’s I guess what we end up with is Rachel from Accounts as Chancellor, a Transport Secretary who spent her time before she became an MP working out how to defraud her employer so she could get a new mobile phone, and some dull middle manager as PM.
It’s just mind boggling how low calibre the current government is. It’s not surprising they are making such a mess of things.
Successful at working outside of parliament, lining his own pockets. Not sure why this is a desirable trait in an MP.
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I don’t really care how much money he earns outside Parliament.
If it’s legal good luck to him. He isn’t lying to the police and his employer to get a new mobile phone.
If it means he isn’t focused on his constituents presumably they will get rid of him at the next election. |
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government"
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
Guardian today "
For once the Guardian is on the money! |
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By *otMe66Man 7 days ago
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
Guardian today "
I have just had read of that article. He has hit the nail on the head in his summary of how woeful Starmer has been. I specifically agree with what he wrote below:
"Of course, it doesn’t help that Starmer is a stilted performer with little in the way of telegenic charisma. There’s not much he can do about that, but the larger problem arises from decisions he and his team have made".
"One of Labour’s original five missions was a pledge to secure for the UK the highest sustained growth in the G7. That was always absurd – Downing Street doesn’t get to determine the growth rate of the US or France – but, even if achieved, there was no guarantee it would make a tangible difference to voters’ lives".
I like this journalists thinking.
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
Guardian today "
I expect the Daily Mail have already typesetted their headline if Reform ever win Government.
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
Guardian today
I have just had read of that article. He has hit the nail on the head in his summary of how woeful Starmer has been. I specifically agree with what he wrote below:
"Of course, it doesn’t help that Starmer is a stilted performer with little in the way of telegenic charisma. There’s not much he can do about that, but the larger problem arises from decisions he and his team have made".
"One of Labour’s original five missions was a pledge to secure for the UK the highest sustained growth in the G7. That was always absurd – Downing Street doesn’t get to determine the growth rate of the US or France – but, even if achieved, there was no guarantee it would make a tangible difference to voters’ lives".
I like this journalists thinking.
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Should add that growth per capita is the key. Almost all the UK's growth has been through massive immigration increasing size of economy but per capita growth has fallen, so living standards for most have too. Public concern about immigration levels is now so great that Starmer can't do the con trick of previous Govts and increase growth by increasing population. |
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Political donations may be capped amid rumours Musk could gift £79m to Reform
Government looks at proposals to limit how much individuals and companies can donate to parties after pledging strengthening of rules
When Elon Musk was asked if he was donating $100 Million to reform he said no 
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"Political donations may be capped amid rumours Musk could gift £79m to Reform
Government looks at proposals to limit how much individuals and companies can donate to parties after pledging strengthening of rules
When Elon Musk was asked if he was donating $100 Million to reform he said no
Do we have to guess the correct figure before he says Yes "
Starmer didn't invite the richest man in the world to a UK investment conference, so that man gives Reform £100m to help win dozens of Labour seats in 2029. Typical Starmer incompetence! |
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"Political donations may be capped amid rumours Musk could gift £79m to Reform
Government looks at proposals to limit how much individuals and companies can donate to parties after pledging strengthening of rules
When Elon Musk was asked if he was donating $100 Million to reform he said no
Do we have to guess the correct figure before he says Yes
Starmer didn't invite the richest man in the world to a UK investment conference, so that man gives Reform £100m to help win dozens of Labour seats in 2029. Typical Starmer incompetence!"
‘Elon Musk is conspicuously not present at today’s jamboree, with the BBC reporting that he was ‘not invited due to his social media posts’ during the August riots. Ministers have remained tight-lipped on his lack of an invite. Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds refused three times to comment in an interview with Sky yesterday’ |
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"Political donations may be capped amid rumours Musk could gift £79m to Reform
Government looks at proposals to limit how much individuals and companies can donate to parties after pledging strengthening of rules
When Elon Musk was asked if he was donating $100 Million to reform he said no
Do we have to guess the correct figure before he says Yes
Starmer didn't invite the richest man in the world to a UK investment conference, so that man gives Reform £100m to help win dozens of Labour seats in 2029. Typical Starmer incompetence!
‘Elon Musk is conspicuously not present at today’s jamboree, with the BBC reporting that he was ‘not invited due to his social media posts’ during the August riots. Ministers have remained tight-lipped on his lack of an invite. Business Secretary Jonathan Reynolds refused three times to comment in an interview with Sky yesterday’"
I remember one of the first things Blair did as Labour leader was to make friends with Rupert Murdoch, who'd done more damage to Labour than anyone else in the media. Starmer is completely clueless in comparison. |
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Musk wouldn't need to give anything like £100m to help Reform or stay within any election rules. Labour's total donations at this year's election were just under £10m - if Musk donated that and Reform spent £100k on each of their top 100 target seats it would have a huge impact in their favour. |
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"Farage backed Trump on his campaign
Which is as good a reason as any not to vote for Reform
Trump is a stain on the world and Farage is at best a self serving prick "
hahahaha is this through personal interactions you have had with them or just options from the media you consume |
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
Guardian today
I have just had read of that article. He has hit the nail on the head in his summary of how woeful Starmer has been. I specifically agree with what he wrote below:
"Of course, it doesn’t help that Starmer is a stilted performer with little in the way of telegenic charisma. There’s not much he can do about that, but the larger problem arises from decisions he and his team have made".
"One of Labour’s original five missions was a pledge to secure for the UK the highest sustained growth in the G7. That was always absurd – Downing Street doesn’t get to determine the growth rate of the US or France – but, even if achieved, there was no guarantee it would make a tangible difference to voters’ lives".
I like this journalists thinking.
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5 months after the election, following Labour's manifesto pledged to be the fastest growing economy in the G7 has been watered down to just be and aim.
The announcements came as a Bank of England survey revealed that 54 per cent of businesses expected to raise prices and cut jobs after the National Insurance rise in October’s Budget.
Meanwhile, the Confederation of British Industry downgraded its growth forecasts for this year and next, blaming the Budget for harming investment plans and consumer confidence.
Way to go Labour |
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By *otMe66Man 6 days ago
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"If conservatives cannot revert back to real conservatism and deliver competence then reform will win the next election or at least be a hung parliament with con/reform government
“This government must not fail. Let’s get that clear from the start. If Keir Starmer does not succeed, too many British voters will conclude that both the traditional parties, Labour and Conservative, have proved useless and that it is time to try something else – with that something else being nationalist populism. If this Labour government goes down, what comes next will be Faragism, either as a Reform UK-Conservative hybrid or neat and undiluted.”
Jonathan Freedland
Guardian today
I have just had read of that article. He has hit the nail on the head in his summary of how woeful Starmer has been. I specifically agree with what he wrote below:
"Of course, it doesn’t help that Starmer is a stilted performer with little in the way of telegenic charisma. There’s not much he can do about that, but the larger problem arises from decisions he and his team have made".
"One of Labour’s original five missions was a pledge to secure for the UK the highest sustained growth in the G7. That was always absurd – Downing Street doesn’t get to determine the growth rate of the US or France – but, even if achieved, there was no guarantee it would make a tangible difference to voters’ lives".
I like this journalists thinking.
5 months after the election, following Labour's manifesto pledged to be the fastest growing economy in the G7 has been watered down to just be and aim.
The announcements came as a Bank of England survey revealed that 54 per cent of businesses expected to raise prices and cut jobs after the National Insurance rise in October’s Budget.
Meanwhile, the Confederation of British Industry downgraded its growth forecasts for this year and next, blaming the Budget for harming investment plans and consumer confidence.
Way to go Labour"
We re going be facing many shockwaves from the last budget, however Starmer, his ministers and supporters seem oblivious. |
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"Farage backed Trump on his campaign
Which is as good a reason as any not to vote for Reform
Trump is a stain on the world and Farage is at best a self serving prick hahahaha is this through personal interactions you have had with them or just options from the media you consume"
Media doesn't come into it. You only have to listen to the crap which both of them spout, in public. Trump particularly. I'd call him a moron but that would be an upgrade for him. |
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"Farage backed Trump on his campaign
Which is as good a reason as any not to vote for Reform
Trump is a stain on the world and Farage is at best a self serving prick hahahaha is this through personal interactions you have had with them or just options from the media you consume
Media doesn't come into it. You only have to listen to the crap which both of them spout, in public. Trump particularly. I'd call him a moron but that would be an upgrade for him."
“Trump is a moron”.
I’d forgotten why I bothered reading this forum sometimes, but now you’ve reminded me: for the incisive and original political analysis. |
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We re going be facing many shockwaves from the last budget, however Starmer, his ministers and supporters seem oblivious. "
Oh really? Please tell us why? Just a bit of background having just read the Bank of England's November Monetary Report, that's the report from the people who set Monetary Policy in case you didn't know, they seem to think the budget will help growth and only marginally influence inflation.
The markets seem pretty relaxed as well.
So I'm interested to know why a guy on a swingers site knows more than the experienced guys?
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The rise of Reform is completely in line with what's happening across the major Western Democracies, its just a little slower here because of our electoral system. The US and Italy have right wing populist leaders, in France and Germany they are the main opposition.
Reform is arguably less extreme than any of the populist parties in those countries-when UKIP were in the EU Parliament Farage refused to work with the Front National for example.
Anyone who thinks Reform couldn't win an election here, or be in coalition with the Tories, really isn't paying attention. |
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"The rise of Reform is completely in line with what's happening across the major Western Democracies, its just a little slower here because of our electoral system. The US and Italy have right wing populist leaders, in France and Germany they are the main opposition.
Reform is arguably less extreme than any of the populist parties in those countries-when UKIP were in the EU Parliament Farage refused to work with the Front National for example.
Anyone who thinks Reform couldn't win an election here, or be in coalition with the Tories, really isn't paying attention."
Your right about not paying attention. Ask again in 4yrs, in the meantime get some fresh air. |
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Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13. |
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"The rise of Reform is completely in line with what's happening across the major Western Democracies, its just a little slower here because of our electoral system. The US and Italy have right wing populist leaders, in France and Germany they are the main opposition.
Reform is arguably less extreme than any of the populist parties in those countries-when UKIP were in the EU Parliament Farage refused to work with the Front National for example.
Anyone who thinks Reform couldn't win an election here, or be in coalition with the Tories, really isn't paying attention.
Your right about not paying attention. Ask again in 4yrs, in the meantime get some fresh air."
Can we please stick to issues and refrain from personal comments. |
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13."
Right or wrong, people turn to parties like Reform exactly because they're not part of the political establishment. When the experienced politicians of both main parties are seen to have failed so consistently their 'experience' counts for little with many voters. Reform in power may well be a disaster but it seems many will take that gamble. |
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By *andu66Couple 6 days ago
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13.
Right or wrong, people turn to parties like Reform exactly because they're not part of the political establishment. When the experienced politicians of both main parties are seen to have failed so consistently their 'experience' counts for little with many voters. Reform in power may well be a disaster but it seems many will take that gamble."
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13.
Right or wrong, people turn to parties like Reform exactly because they're not part of the political establishment. When the experienced politicians of both main parties are seen to have failed so consistently their 'experience' counts for little with many voters. Reform in power may well be a disaster but it seems many will take that gamble."
Would they allow a lad who’s only working experience was stacking shelves at Aldi service their gas boiler. It’s a ridiculous thought process.
Of course the other question would be whether Farage could handle the job of PM. Where he would have to actually formulate policies and not just sound bites. |
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Would they allow a lad who’s only working experience was stacking shelves at Aldi service their gas boiler. It’s a ridiculous thought process.
Or a woman with nvq level 2 in sign language overruling a planning decision to demolish a significant art deco building at Marble Arch, and in the process releasing 40,000 tonnes of CO2."
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Would they allow a lad who’s only working experience was stacking shelves at Aldi service their gas boiler. It’s a ridiculous thought process.
Or a woman with nvq level 2 in sign language overruling a planning decision to demolish a significant art deco building at Marble Arch, and in the process releasing 40,000 tonnes of CO2."
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Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better. Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments? Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes? Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents? Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone? Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids that's changing our country beyond recognition. 15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones. This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform. If they don't get in next election this country is finished. |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better. Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments? Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes? Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents? Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone? Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids that's changing our country beyond recognition. 15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones. This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform. If they don't get in next election this country is finished."
Thanks for posting. Lot of Reform bashing on here, good to hear from a supporter's pov. |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better. Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments? Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes? Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents? Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone? Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids that's changing our country beyond recognition. 15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones. This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform. If they don't get in next election this country is finished."
Do they say how they are going to achieve those objectives? |
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13."
career politicians lack real life experience so filling them posts with ppl who have had reall jobs is fine by me |
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13.career politicians lack real life experience so filling them posts with ppl who have had reall jobs is fine by me "
I’d be happy to support a party that filled ministerial roles with people who have knowledge of the role. I’m not convinced Reform are the party to attract those people. |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better. Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments? Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes? Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents? Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone? Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids that's changing our country beyond recognition. 15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones. This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform. If they don't get in next election this country is finished.
Do they say how they are going to achieve those objectives?"
Labour managed to win a 'landslide majority' without saying how they were going to achieve their objectives.
Even though most people didn't believe a word they said. |
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ? "
A GE could be four and a half years away. Trump would be gone. It can be argued that France and Germany are in a mess because of PR and extreme parties on both the left and right.
Voters will re-elect Labour if they feel their lives have improved over the next 4 years. And don't assume Starmer will be leader into the next election. My money is on Andy Burnham.
We had the SDP break from Labour and we had Corbyn on the left.
We have had Farage intermittently on the right for a decade or so. Reform is nothing without Farage, and Farage has a checkered history. The Tories are in big trouble but despite all the negative press and comments Labour is getting on with governing something we haven't seen since 2016.
Time will tell whether things will improve under Labour.
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ?
A GE could be four and a half years away. Trump would be gone. It can be argued that France and Germany are in a mess because of PR and extreme parties on both the left and right.
Voters will re-elect Labour if they feel their lives have improved over the next 4 years. And don't assume Starmer will be leader into the next election. My money is on Andy Burnham.
We had the SDP break from Labour and we had Corbyn on the left.
We have had Farage intermittently on the right for a decade or so. Reform is nothing without Farage, and Farage has a checkered history. The Tories are in big trouble but despite all the negative press and comments Labour is getting on with governing something we haven't seen since 2016.
Time will tell whether things will improve under Labour.
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Thats a sensible summary, far too sensible for this thread. Just watch the narrative change to crumpets or bright car colours.... anything to get away from the truth. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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The whole purpose of Reform UK was to enter the last election in the hope of getting a handful of seats. They achieved this by getting five candidates elected. They also had a member of the London Assembly.
But the emphasis was always to target the next election in 2029. Nobody trusts the Tories, and Labour have added to the misery without showing any visible signs of regret.
In 2029 it is easy to predict that Labour and the Tories will argue with each other, while Reform UK will take a more pragmatic approach. I can see a big election for Reform in 2029. I’m really looking forward to getting out there posting leaflets for them. |
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"The whole purpose of Reform UK was to enter the last election in the hope of getting a handful of seats. They achieved this by getting five candidates elected. They also had a member of the London Assembly.
But the emphasis was always to target the next election in 2029. Nobody trusts the Tories, and Labour have added to the misery without showing any visible signs of regret.
In 2029 it is easy to predict that Labour and the Tories will argue with each other, while Reform UK will take a more pragmatic approach. I can see a big election for Reform in 2029. I’m really looking forward to getting out there posting leaflets for them. "
Well done 👏 |
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"The whole purpose of Reform UK was to enter the last election in the hope of getting a handful of seats. They achieved this by getting five candidates elected. They also had a member of the London Assembly.
But the emphasis was always to target the next election in 2029. Nobody trusts the Tories, and Labour have added to the misery without showing any visible signs of regret.
In 2029 it is easy to predict that Labour and the Tories will argue with each other, while Reform UK will take a more pragmatic approach. I can see a big election for Reform in 2029. I’m really looking forward to getting out there posting leaflets for them.
Well done 👏 "
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ?
A GE could be four and a half years away. Trump would be gone. It can be argued that France and Germany are in a mess because of PR and extreme parties on both the left and right.
Voters will re-elect Labour if they feel their lives have improved over the next 4 years. And don't assume Starmer will be leader into the next election. My money is on Andy Burnham.
We had the SDP break from Labour and we had Corbyn on the left.
We have had Farage intermittently on the right for a decade or so. Reform is nothing without Farage, and Farage has a checkered history. The Tories are in big trouble but despite all the negative press and comments Labour is getting on with governing something we haven't seen since 2016.
Time will tell whether things will improve under Labour.
Thats a sensible summary, far too sensible for this thread. Just watch the narrative change to crumpets or bright car colours.... anything to get away from the truth. 🤣🤣🤣"
Thank you for the reply. It's going to be a long four years for the right wing posters in their echo chamber on here. Online equivalent of pub or golf club bores.
The Uk has a strong government and could be well positioned to avoid any headwinds from trade wars, American debt overload and any EU bust-ups, but our debt to GDP ratio needs to stabilise which is exactly what Labour is doing.
Now back to crumpets, car colours and delivering leaflets. You couldn't make it up lol.
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ?
A GE could be four and a half years away. Trump would be gone. It can be argued that France and Germany are in a mess because of PR and extreme parties on both the left and right.
Voters will re-elect Labour if they feel their lives have improved over the next 4 years. And don't assume Starmer will be leader into the next election. My money is on Andy Burnham.
We had the SDP break from Labour and we had Corbyn on the left.
We have had Farage intermittently on the right for a decade or so. Reform is nothing without Farage, and Farage has a checkered history. The Tories are in big trouble but despite all the negative press and comments Labour is getting on with governing something we haven't seen since 2016.
Time will tell whether things will improve under Labour.
Thats a sensible summary, far too sensible for this thread. Just watch the narrative change to crumpets or bright car colours.... anything to get away from the truth. 🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for the reply. It's going to be a long four years for the right wing posters in their echo chamber on here. Online equivalent of pub or golf club bores.
The Uk has a strong government and could be well positioned to avoid any headwinds from trade wars, American debt overload and any EU bust-ups, but our debt to GDP ratio needs to stabilise which is exactly what Labour is doing.
Now back to crumpets, car colours and delivering leaflets. You couldn't make it up lol.
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"Says the guy (OP) who calls USA CEOs "fruitcakes" in the very week one of them is gunned down and murdered in cold blood.
I love these forum vigilantes for their hyprocracy lol."
I'm not sure what your bizarre tangent is referring to but it clearly has nothing to do with this thread. Again, please stick to the thread and avoid insulting other posters, thanks. |
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Just pointing out your hypocracy. You don't own this forum nor this thread. People can post whatever they like within the rules. It's known as free speech. It's very easy to look back at posters' previous postings. Perhaps you didn't know that? |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better.
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Okay let's see where this goes.
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Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments?
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I have access to the doctor and hospital appointments. Not sure what's related to Reform here.
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Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes?
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Still nothing on Reform so far here.
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Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents?
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No one, except landlords. What's this got to do with Reform.
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Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone?
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Are you suggesting that Reform's anti-science agenda would somehow benefit the country? I'd argue it won't.
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Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids
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Immigration is controlled. So not sure what's going on here.
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that's changing our country beyond recognition."
Ah, the chap who is openly a Reform supporter said he doesn't like non-white people being in Leicester and other cities.
For those of us who don't judge people by the colour of their skin. There's nothing here for us in Reform style rhetoric.
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15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones.
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Is more pollution and road deaths desirable?
This wouldn't attract me to Reform.
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This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
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Yes, our politicians are beholden to those who donate the most to political parties. Reform and Farage are even worse. Farage just took £40k from a US firm that helps corporations avoid paying taxes.
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No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform.
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Reform would exacerbate all these issues.
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If they don't get in next election this country is finished."
If the get in next election, this country will decline into a corporate run place where non-white people aren't welcome, science is shunned and minorities are targeted. Sounds fucking dire. |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better.
Okay let's see where this goes.
Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments?
I have access to the doctor and hospital appointments. Not sure what's related to Reform here.
Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes?
Still nothing on Reform so far here.
Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents?
No one, except landlords. What's this got to do with Reform.
Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone?
Are you suggesting that Reform's anti-science agenda would somehow benefit the country? I'd argue it won't.
Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids
Immigration is controlled. So not sure what's going on here.
that's changing our country beyond recognition.
Ah, the chap who is openly a Reform supporter said he doesn't like non-white people being in Leicester and other cities.
For those of us who don't judge people by the colour of their skin. There's nothing here for us in Reform style rhetoric.
15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones.
Is more pollution and road deaths desirable?
This wouldn't attract me to Reform.
This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
Yes, our politicians are beholden to those who donate the most to political parties. Reform and Farage are even worse. Farage just took £40k from a US firm that helps corporations avoid paying taxes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform.
Reform would exacerbate all these issues.
If they don't get in next election this country is finished.
If the get in next election, this country will decline into a corporate run place where non-white people aren't welcome, science is shunned and minorities are targeted. Sounds fucking dire."
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"Just pointing out your hypocracy. You don't own this forum nor this thread. People can post whatever they like within the rules. It's known as free speech. It's very easy to look back at posters' previous postings. Perhaps you didn't know that?"
I do know I described those running Jaguar as 'fruitcakes' 2 weeks ago. What that has to do with someone being murdered this week in New York I'm afraid I have no idea.
I also know that insulting other Forum users is against the rules, while insulting third parties who are not part of the conversation is not.
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ? "
They have definitely gained some ground though it would need consistent polling, putting them in this position to mean something in my opinion. The lib dems have spurts like this now and then but apart from the last GE, they tend to get held back by the voting system. It will be interesting to see if reforms popularity continues and if they can win over Labour voters as much as Tory voters |
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ?
They have definitely gained some ground though it would need consistent polling, putting them in this position to mean something in my opinion. The lib dems have spurts like this now and then but apart from the last GE, they tend to get held back by the voting system. It will be interesting to see if reforms popularity continues and if they can win over Labour voters as much as Tory voters"
Agree, although I think it’s more about Labour poor performance losing ground than reform gaining it.
Every week another u turn or watered down manifesto pledge. Highly likely a Q1 2025 recession, see what the ‘I’m not an economist’ chancellor has to say about it. |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better.
Okay let's see where this goes.
Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments?
I have access to the doctor and hospital appointments. Not sure what's related to Reform here.
Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes?
Still nothing on Reform so far here.
Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents?
No one, except landlords. What's this got to do with Reform.
Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone?
Are you suggesting that Reform's anti-science agenda would somehow benefit the country? I'd argue it won't.
Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids
Immigration is controlled. So not sure what's going on here.
that's changing our country beyond recognition.
Ah, the chap who is openly a Reform supporter said he doesn't like non-white people being in Leicester and other cities.
For those of us who don't judge people by the colour of their skin. There's nothing here for us in Reform style rhetoric.
15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones.
Is more pollution and road deaths desirable?
This wouldn't attract me to Reform.
This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
Yes, our politicians are beholden to those who donate the most to political parties. Reform and Farage are even worse. Farage just took £40k from a US firm that helps corporations avoid paying taxes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform.
Reform would exacerbate all these issues.
If they don't get in next election this country is finished.
If the get in next election, this country will decline into a corporate run place where non-white people aren't welcome, science is shunned and minorities are targeted. Sounds fucking dire."
you do know reform have none white ppl init ye |
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"A shock new opinion poll has Reform on 24%, one ahead of Labour and only 2% behind the Tories.
Are we seeing a new three party politics where Reform takes votes off of Labour as well as the Tories ? Both parties seems very unpopular.
Could Reform even come first in a General Election (as UKIP did in two European Elections) ?
They have definitely gained some ground though it would need consistent polling, putting them in this position to mean something in my opinion. The lib dems have spurts like this now and then but apart from the last GE, they tend to get held back by the voting system. It will be interesting to see if reforms popularity continues and if they can win over Labour voters as much as Tory voters"
100% although I do think Reform are appealing on specific issues that are important to voters whereas Lib Dems are usually just a protest vote. As I said in OP, unless Labour and Cons can dramatically improve their popularity we could have a genuine realignment with three parties on or around 25% support. |
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13."
What skills do you feel that the current Labour cabinet have that qualifies them for government?
The first five months suggests that they haven’t got a clue and are totally out of their depth.
We have a PM who hasn’t been an MP for very long, who has no leadership skills and is totally failing to connect with the country. Nobody knows what he stands for, or who he really is.
The Chancellor worked in a bank once.
The defunct Transport secretary was fired from her job at an insurance company because she thought it was worthwhile committing a crime to get a new mobile phone.
The Foreign Secretary is a clown.
None of them has any business experience, which is where 80% of working people are employed.
It would be difficult to find a less qualified group of people if you selected them at random in any high street. |
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13."
Perhaps that's exactly what we need, much less political experience and far greater business experience. It's time we started replacing MP'S with business people highly skilled in running business.
Let's face it, Labour, Conservatives etc all relay on "advisers" and these advisers advise the MP'S on way ahead, so the only thing that will change is replacing a MP with NO business experience with one who has plenty successful business experience |
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The Labour front bench have no business experience whatsoever, not one of them. Rachel from accounts lied on her CV hence her growth stunting budget. It's a disaster and business agrees. To say that reform have no experience is laughable, they have real world business experience, they know how to grow business and how to create wealth.
The far left love to call anyone who doesn't agree with open borders and uncontrolled immigration racists but this doesn't wash anymore. Controlled, sensible immigration is good but let's not let that get in the way of the far left calling is all racists 😂
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better.
Okay let's see where this goes.
Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments?
I have access to the doctor and hospital appointments. Not sure what's related to Reform here.
Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes?
Still nothing on Reform so far here.
Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents?
No one, except landlords. What's this got to do with Reform.
Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone?
Are you suggesting that Reform's anti-science agenda would somehow benefit the country? I'd argue it won't.
Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids
Immigration is controlled. So not sure what's going on here.
that's changing our country beyond recognition.
Ah, the chap who is openly a Reform supporter said he doesn't like non-white people being in Leicester and other cities.
For those of us who don't judge people by the colour of their skin. There's nothing here for us in Reform style rhetoric.
15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones.
Is more pollution and road deaths desirable?
This wouldn't attract me to Reform.
This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
Yes, our politicians are beholden to those who donate the most to political parties. Reform and Farage are even worse. Farage just took £40k from a US firm that helps corporations avoid paying taxes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform.
Reform would exacerbate all these issues.
If they don't get in next election this country is finished.
If the get in next election, this country will decline into a corporate run place where non-white people aren't welcome, science is shunned and minorities are targeted. Sounds fucking dire. you do know reform have none white ppl init ye "
shhhhh you know everything he posts has to have something in it about non whites science deniers and minorities it wouldn't be Johnny without those three things mentioned |
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"Just read the Reform UK pledges and tell me that they wouldn't make our country better.
Okay let's see where this goes.
Be honest. Who's enjoying not being able to access public services like doctors and hospital appointments?
I have access to the doctor and hospital appointments. Not sure what's related to Reform here.
Who's enjoying paying record levels of tax that's being wasted on crackpot schemes?
Still nothing on Reform so far here.
Who's enjoying the housing shortage and high rents?
No one, except landlords. What's this got to do with Reform.
Net zero nonsense that will make you poorer anyone?
Are you suggesting that Reform's anti-science agenda would somehow benefit the country? I'd argue it won't.
Not to mention the uncontrolled immigration on steroids
Immigration is controlled. So not sure what's going on here.
that's changing our country beyond recognition.
Ah, the chap who is openly a Reform supporter said he doesn't like non-white people being in Leicester and other cities.
For those of us who don't judge people by the colour of their skin. There's nothing here for us in Reform style rhetoric.
15 minute cities, paying to drive your car in so called ulez zones.
Is more pollution and road deaths desirable?
This wouldn't attract me to Reform.
This country is in managed decline in front of your very own eyes.
Yes, our politicians are beholden to those who donate the most to political parties. Reform and Farage are even worse. Farage just took £40k from a US firm that helps corporations avoid paying taxes.
No? Not liking that? You've only one choice and that's Reform.
Reform would exacerbate all these issues.
If they don't get in next election this country is finished.
If the get in next election, this country will decline into a corporate run place where non-white people aren't welcome, science is shunned and minorities are targeted. Sounds fucking dire. you do know reform have none white ppl init ye shhhhh you know everything he posts has to have something in it about non whites science deniers and minorities it wouldn't be Johnny without those three things mentioned"
can’t disagree with that lol |
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By *ronisMan 6 days ago
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"I think there’s a very good chance that Reform could form the next government. Certainly I think we will see a massive increase in the number of seats they hold in Parliament.
Their MP’s are doing a pretty solid job so far. The party just needs to get better organised and make sure they select decent candidates.
At the next General Election the Tories’ failure will still be a recent memory.
And Labour will have achieved nothing aside from economic stagnation/recession.
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"Reform has 5 MPs. So if they do form the next government in 2029 they are going to have to fill all the ministerial posts with people who have no political experience.
Think about that when you are criticising a government who have been in opposition for 14 years and in power for the previous 13.
Perhaps that's exactly what we need, much less political experience and far greater business experience. It's time we started replacing MP'S with business people highly skilled in running business.
Let's face it, Labour, Conservatives etc all relay on "advisers" and these advisers advise the MP'S on way ahead, so the only thing that will change is replacing a MP with NO business experience with one who has plenty successful business experience "
Where are all these candidates with business experience coming from. The ones who stood at the last election certainly weren’t in possession of a 2-2 in business studies. |
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"Farage backed Trump on his campaign
Which is as good a reason as any not to vote for Reform
Trump is a stain on the world and Farage is at best a self serving prick hahahaha is this through personal interactions you have had with them or just options from the media you consume
Media doesn't come into it. You only have to listen to the crap which both of them spout, in public. Trump particularly. I'd call him a moron but that would be an upgrade for him.
“Trump is a moron”.
I’d forgotten why I bothered reading this forum sometimes, but now you’ve reminded me: for the incisive and original political analysis."
Ah, so Trump wittering on about immigrants in (I think) Michigan eating dogs, to use just one example of his rhetoric, makes him what then? |
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By *ild_oatsMan 6 days ago
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Electroral reform is way overdue so PR is the sensible solution.
But voting Reform along with all the other right wing lunatics is not.
MP’s should see representing their constituents as a full time professional job with parliament sitting 9 to 5 like in a lot of other work places.
No employing of family members as a tax dodge.
No second homes claimed on expenses.
MP’s housing should be provided by a series of government owned blocks of flats with full security and secretarial services bit like student accommodation.
Hell would have to freeze over first before I vote for Farage and Reform and even then you would have to impersonate me.
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"Farage backed Trump on his campaign
Which is as good a reason as any not to vote for Reform
Trump is a stain on the world and Farage is at best a self serving prick hahahaha is this through personal interactions you have had with them or just options from the media you consume
Media doesn't come into it. You only have to listen to the crap which both of them spout, in public. Trump particularly. I'd call him a moron but that would be an upgrade for him.
“Trump is a moron”.
I’d forgotten why I bothered reading this forum sometimes, but now you’ve reminded me: for the incisive and original political analysis.
Ah, so Trump wittering on about immigrants in (I think) Michigan eating dogs, to use just one example of his rhetoric, makes him what then? "
thought you said media had nothing to do with your opinion of him,unless you was there when he said that you must have got it from media,let me guess you also belive he is the next hitler without being influenced by the media |
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"Electroral reform is way overdue so PR is the sensible solution.
But voting Reform along with all the other right wing lunatics is not.
MP’s should see representing their constituents as a full time professional job with parliament sitting 9 to 5 like in a lot of other work places.
No employing of family members as a tax dodge.
No second homes claimed on expenses.
MP’s housing should be provided by a series of government owned blocks of flats with full security and secretarial services bit like student accommodation.
Hell would have to freeze over first before I vote for Farage and Reform and even then you would have to impersonate me.
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Well done, you just convinced me to join Reform UK, best £25 I've spent today.
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"Not my kind of party, I saw trice on sky news defending one of their M.P's who was jailed aged 19 for assaulting his then partner.
A fact he didn't mention to voters before he was elected."
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By *ild_oatsMan 5 days ago
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"Electroral reform is way overdue so PR is the sensible solution.
But voting Reform along with all the other right wing lunatics is not.
MP’s should see representing their constituents as a full time professional job with parliament sitting 9 to 5 like in a lot of other work places.
No employing of family members as a tax dodge.
No second homes claimed on expenses.
MP’s housing should be provided by a series of government owned blocks of flats with full security and secretarial services bit like student accommodation.
Hell would have to freeze over first before I vote for Farage and Reform and even then you would have to impersonate me.
Well done, you just convinced me to join Reform UK, best £25 I've spent today.
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"Not my kind of party, I saw trice on sky news defending one of their M.P's who was jailed aged 19 for assaulting his then partner.
A fact he didn't mention to voters before he was elected.
I very much remember him being 'outed' before the election. In fact certain people didn't shut up about it. "
It is an interview on sky news, and the main thrust of the questions were.
How can he be trusted when he didn't tell the electorate about his offences and jail time before they voted for him.
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Reform UK Richard Nice clashes with soppy ridge over James mcmurdocks assault conviction.
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"Not my kind of party, I saw trice on sky news defending one of their M.P's who was jailed aged 19 for assaulting his then partner.
A fact he didn't mention to voters before he was elected.
I very much remember him being 'outed' before the election. In fact certain people didn't shut up about it.
It is an interview on sky news, and the main thrust of the questions were.
How can he be trusted when he didn't tell the electorate about his offences and jail time before they voted for him.
Paste
Reform UK Richard Nice clashes with soppy ridge over James mcmurdocks assault conviction.
Into YouTube and see for yourself if you wish."
What am I seeing for myself?
I'm already aware of the outrage re. this story.
I'm all for getting rid of him if he lied, just as I am any MP who has been found to have lied.
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"they need to stop the Invasion by criminals & empty all the Hotels ! why should they get free houses ,cars, free everything ! us mugs paying for it all !  "
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