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"Can we rerun Brexit? How big was the Labour majority again?" Exactly, Brexit should be repealed, Mrs x | |||
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"Can we rerun Brexit? How big was the Labour majority again?Exactly, Brexit should be repealed, Mrs x" Thats another can of worms altogether!   | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. " Obviously not going to happen but it does indicate a real unease about this Government that they'd be wise not to ignore. | |||
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" Thats another can of worms altogether! " | |||
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"Can we rerun Brexit? How big was the Labour majority again?" Two points about that. First, Brexit was supported an an actual majority of those who voted whereas Labour got less than 35% of votes this year. Secondly, any Government at any time could call a new referendum on EU membership. | |||
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"I signed it there My name? Sukma Dic" Thanks for your support Mr Dic  | |||
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"I signed it there My name? Sukma Dic Thanks for your support Mr Dic " | |||
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"Starmer has 12 months at best, his _anifesto totally unachievable Economy worsened Inflation increased by 60% Small boats not stopped £600k a day (£219M a year) spent on 5000 empty hotel rooms Green investment pledge u turned Ford closing factories as EV sales stalling Second home right to buy flipper Rayner has announced Right to buy will be prevented for many local authority tenants 1.5 million new homes promised; housing starts down -39%, housing completions down -13.3%, planning applications down -9% Higher costs for employers, 15%NIC and threshold dropped to £5k HMRC to collect 20% of farm assets from each succession generation. £500M farming aid to be given to overseas Wfa stopped for 780,000 pensioners Business asset disposal relief reduced for entrepreneurs " Yeah but apart from... Economy worsened Inflation increased by 60% Small boats not stopped £600k a day (£219M a year) spent on 5000 empty hotel rooms Green investment pledge u turned Ford closing factories as EV sales stalling Second home right to buy flipper Rayner has announced Right to buy will be prevented for many local authority tenants 1.5 million new homes promised; housing starts down -39%, housing completions down -13.3%, planning applications down -9% Higher costs for employers, 15%NIC and threshold dropped to £5k HMRC to collect 20% of farm assets from each succession generation. £500M farming aid to be given to overseas Wfa stopped for 780,000 pensioners Business asset disposal relief reduced for entrepreneurs... what do you think Labour need to do for us haha, Mrs x | |||
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"Reeves should resign as well - fake CV, very dishonest for someone in charge of £1.3trn treasury budget. " | |||
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"Ok who here has signed it Show of honesty That aside an election now would be a Labour victory" Me Ive signed it. | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics " You've lost faith in farage then..? | |||
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" Obviously it won't happen but how can the public hold Governments to account for their falsehoods ?" That’s what General Elections are for. You places your vote and takes your chance, if you get it wrong you have to live with it. If there is enough momentum generated by ongoing unease the Government may decide to boot its leader into touch and try and regain confidence in the electorate, in an extreme move some of them may join with opposition to generate enough for a vote of no confidence in the Government but that isn’t realistically on the agenda. An old saying goes, “You get the Government you deserve”. | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..?" I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. " So nearly half a million Brits signed it when most of us were asleep? I think that the logged IP addresses will be used by the Government against Twitter (and Musk) where the petition is being heavily promoted. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that the overwhelming majority of the votes will be spam bots and foreign votes. Imagine that though if that does turn out to be the case. A foreign billionaire actively engaged in the overthrow of democratic processes of a friendly nation. | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook" What did they lie about ? | |||
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" What lies are you specifically talking about ?" The ones on Twitter/X, you know the ones those that are thought up by the intelligence on social media, they unlike Labour must all be true haha, Mrs x | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook" Are you so naive..? They all lie, your a fan of farage who is up there with Boris when it comes to lying.. | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. So nearly half a million Brits signed it when most of us were asleep? I think that the logged IP addresses will be used by the Government against Twitter (and Musk) where the petition is being heavily promoted. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that the overwhelming majority of the votes will be spam bots and foreign votes. Imagine that though if that does turn out to be the case. A foreign billionaire actively engaged in the overthrow of democratic processes of a friendly nation. " You are aware the data is available aren't you? 1,228,888 of 1,238,426 signatures have come from within the UK. That leaves only 9,538 from outside the UK. | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook" | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. So nearly half a million Brits signed it when most of us were asleep? I think that the logged IP addresses will be used by the Government against Twitter (and Musk) where the petition is being heavily promoted. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that the overwhelming majority of the votes will be spam bots and foreign votes. Imagine that though if that does turn out to be the case. A foreign billionaire actively engaged in the overthrow of democratic processes of a friendly nation. You are aware the data is available aren't you? 1,228,888 of 1,238,426 signatures have come from within the UK. That leaves only 9,538 from outside the UK. " Bots use VPNs I am just trying to understand how 400,000 or so people from the U.K. voted at a time when most of us are asleep? Doesn’t seem right that’s all. | |||
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"An online petition has gathered hundreds of thousands of signatures calling for a new General Election on the grounds that Labour has told so many lies about its policies. Obviously it won't happen but how can the public hold Governments to account for their falsehoods ? Both Boris Johnson and Liz Truss resigned under pressure- will Sir Kier be forced to do the same?" too early give reform a few yrs to grow lol | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. So nearly half a million Brits signed it when most of us were asleep? I think that the logged IP addresses will be used by the Government against Twitter (and Musk) where the petition is being heavily promoted. My guess (and it is only a guess) is that the overwhelming majority of the votes will be spam bots and foreign votes. Imagine that though if that does turn out to be the case. A foreign billionaire actively engaged in the overthrow of democratic processes of a friendly nation. You are aware the data is available aren't you? 1,228,888 of 1,238,426 signatures have come from within the UK. That leaves only 9,538 from outside the UK. Bots use VPNs I am just trying to understand how 400,000 or so people from the U.K. voted at a time when most of us are asleep? Doesn’t seem right that’s all." Millions of people use VPNs too. Tbh, I think 'they're all bots' is more conspiracy than reality. You may be asleep during the night but I can guarantee the society we live in is actually 24/7. | |||
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"Signed it again. Mr. Bigus Dicus From BS1 1BD" Sign for your wife please too | |||
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"Signed it again. Mr. Bigus Dicus From BS1 1BD Sign for your wife please too" | |||
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"Ms Incontenentia Buttox Signed it again. Mr. Bigus Dicus From BS1 1BD Sign for your wife please too" I've fabbed all her pictures | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people ." absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories. | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people . absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories." It's just the right wing press riling everyone up. The Tories were way worse, not to say Labour hadn't fucked up, but expecting them to fix the mess left from 14 years of Tories and from Brexit in just a couple of months, is an unrealistic expectation. | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook What did they lie about ?" Lying about having policies that they said were fully coated before and during the election only to turn around after winning it to say they're will be tax rises | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook Are you so naive..? They all lie, your a fan of farage who is up there with Boris when it comes to lying.. " I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook Are you so naive..? They all lie, your a fan of farage who is up there with Boris when it comes to lying.. I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows" Labour were expecting to be in power without actually being in power.Same as up here really | |||
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"I can't believe I'm saying this as I'm person who's not a Tory fan but I would prefer them back in government then have the Labour lunatics You've lost faith in farage then..? I wouldn't mind if Farage was PM, my point was yes the Tories were bad but i always knew Labour would be worse, far worse then i imagined to a point where there's a petition to call an election only 5 months in. Labour lied to get into government and you folks who voted for them took their hook Are you so naive..? They all lie, your a fan of farage who is up there with Boris when it comes to lying.. I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows" Possibly but the Tories were finished (for now) .. As with any party after a long term in office they as is the case with such things lost their way and we're literally unelectable.. Expecting miracles with the state we are in debt wise which the last lot greatly added to and the current global situation with all the effects from that is bafflingly naive and bizarre.. That's not saying I don't think they've not made mistakes, all governments do and unlike Blair in 97 they weren't elected on a wave of good will (more a case of the least worse option as much of global politicians and choices are and have been for ages).. Whatever the numbers on any online petition gets to, they are here in power for a while.. | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people . absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories. It's just the right wing press riling everyone up. The Tories were way worse, not to say Labour hadn't fucked up, but expecting them to fix the mess left from 14 years of Tories and from Brexit in just a couple of months, is an unrealistic expectation. " Would you say a realistic expectation was not to make it a lot worse in just a couple of months? | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people . absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories. It's just the right wing press riling everyone up. The Tories were way worse, not to say Labour hadn't fucked up, but expecting them to fix the mess left from 14 years of Tories and from Brexit in just a couple of months, is an unrealistic expectation. Would you say a realistic expectation was not to make it a lot worse in just a couple of months? " Very valid. Inheriting an improving economy, now worsened and an unknown impact of tax rises on businesses | |||
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"But we don't run the country by petition. " Get enough people and that's how Revolutions are started. | |||
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"But we don't run the country by petition. Get enough people and that's how Revolutions are started." You want a revolution? Bored of parliamentary democracy? | |||
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"Call a General Election I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election. Sign this petition 1,402,261 signatures" . . . Petition Call a General Election I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election. Sign this petition 1,455,168 signatures . . 53,000 signatures in 30 Minutes | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people . absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories. It's just the right wing press riling everyone up. The Tories were way worse, not to say Labour hadn't fucked up, but expecting them to fix the mess left from 14 years of Tories and from Brexit in just a couple of months, is an unrealistic expectation. Would you say a realistic expectation was not to make it a lot worse in just a couple of months? " Yes. Which of course has been achieved. Of course it's not good enough. Personally "less shit than the Tories" is an extremely low bar. | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people . absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories. It's just the right wing press riling everyone up. The Tories were way worse, not to say Labour hadn't fucked up, but expecting them to fix the mess left from 14 years of Tories and from Brexit in just a couple of months, is an unrealistic expectation. Would you say a realistic expectation was not to make it a lot worse in just a couple of months? " Very well put. I'm not sure any new Government I can remember has made things worse so quickly. | |||
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"I'd like election _anifestos to be a legally binding commitment to the electorate, but it'll never happen. My fear is that once Starmer is driven out, that Rayner will become PM... and lord knows what she'll do with this country. On the plus side, only 4 1/2 more years till they're voted out" Angela Rayner achieved interesting qualifications at age 16 🤣😂🤣 Unfortunately she never attended RSHE... | |||
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"I'd like election _anifestos to be a legally binding commitment to the electorate, but it'll never happen. My fear is that once Starmer is driven out, that Rayner will become PM... and lord knows what she'll do with this country. On the plus side, only 4 1/2 more years till they're voted out Angela Rayner achieved interesting qualifications at age 16 🤣😂🤣 Unfortunately she never attended RSHE..." An NVQ is qualification to run the government surely?! | |||
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"I'd like election _anifestos to be a legally binding commitment to the electorate, but it'll never happen. My fear is that once Starmer is driven out, that Rayner will become PM... and lord knows what she'll do with this country. On the plus side, only 4 1/2 more years till they're voted out" Judging by the mood reflected by this petition and wider dissatisfaction it may be sooner than that. At the current rate this petition will be 25 million signatures by Christmas. | |||
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"483,000 at 10.30am today 1,483,179 at 20.15 today Over 1 million new signatures in ten hours, ticking up faster than the small boats. " | |||
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"It's a bit stupid to have a change, when we've had no time to get results from the last election. Parliament has only sat for a few short weeks. Short-termism is a bad enough problem as it is, where people aren't around for long term planning and to be held to account. They've definitely made mistakes but that's going to happen in any large organization and we must judge them on how responsive they are and we whether they learn appropriately. " Johnson, truss and Sunak were brought down quickly through lack of confidence Knives will be out for starmer and reeves very soon | |||
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"It's a bit stupid to have a change, when we've had no time to get results from the last election. Parliament has only sat for a few short weeks. Short-termism is a bad enough problem as it is, where people aren't around for long term planning and to be held to account. They've definitely made mistakes but that's going to happen in any large organization and we must judge them on how responsive they are and we whether they learn appropriately. " Get a Grip, their only is "Short Term" with Labour in power They plan to freeze to death our Pensioners, and many will be unemployed due to employers tax How many have to die before you realise something has to be done immediately. Sign the petition | |||
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"My fear is that once Starmer is driven out, that Rayner will become PM... and lord knows what she'll do with this country." She is just waiting for an opportunity to get the knife out. You know that quotation about keeping your friends close, but keeping your enemies closer? Why do you think Starmer chose her as his deputy... | |||
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"Let me clarify one party having been in power for 14years runs up record debt, massive immigration figures and the highest tax take in recent history . Yet you are blaming a different party who have had 4 months in power? Okay I get it, you are in need of help but unfortunately the last party the one you want back cut all the mental health funding. So hang in their people . absolutely agree with you on this seems so many people have short term memories. It's just the right wing press riling everyone up. The Tories were way worse, not to say Labour hadn't fucked up, but expecting them to fix the mess left from 14 years of Tories and from Brexit in just a couple of months, is an unrealistic expectation. Would you say a realistic expectation was not to make it a lot worse in just a couple of months? Yes. Which of course has been achieved. Of course it's not good enough. Personally "less shit than the Tories" is an extremely low bar. " Unfortunately this extremely low bar is proving to high for Labour to clear. They are somehow having a go at reducing the bar even further | |||
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" On the plus side, only 4 1/2 more years till they're voted out" Voted out - have you seen their majority.....or more relevant have you seen the state of the opposition... | |||
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"You guys are joking aren't you ? I must admit I was taken in with all the bullshit you were posting. I fell for your wish to be back to the days of leaders of competence and moral integrity like Boris or even better Truss both ditched by those cuddly Tories from within. But yes okay I get it your all taking the piss .imagine me thinking anyone seriously wanted that rag tag party of racists and grifters back. Good one guys " I understand grifters but in what way are the Tories racist? Boris saw a massive increase in immigration as well as cutting back restrictions Is it because he jokingly made a poor taste comment about Islam that was shown to even just that. | |||
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" I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows" Well, they did have a plan. To get rid of winter fuel payments but they kept quiet about that because they knew it could lose them the election... ...Maybe another plan about farmers but they probably knew they wouldn't be getting votes from farmers anyway. | |||
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"Call a General Election I would like there to be another General Election. I believe the current Labour Government have gone back on the promises they laid out in the lead up to the last election. Sign this petition 1,402,261 signatures" You have pasted this crap a number of times on various threads, some nothing to do with politics. Please don't abuse Fab's hospitality by fly posting. | |||
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"You guys are joking aren't you ? I must admit I was taken in with all the bullshit you were posting. I fell for your wish to be back to the days of leaders of competence and moral integrity like Boris or even better Truss both ditched by those cuddly Tories from within. But yes okay I get it your all taking the piss .imagine me thinking anyone seriously wanted that rag tag party of racists and grifters back. Good one guys " The petition says nothing about voting for Tories so don't get your point.🤷♂️ | |||
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" I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows Well, they did have a plan. To get rid of winter fuel payments but they kept quiet about that because they knew it could lose them the election... ...Maybe another plan about farmers but they probably knew they wouldn't be getting votes from farmers anyway." And next up is the tourists and tourism industry. 5% tourist tax on accommodation; hotels, airbnb, self catering etc. adding £50-100 a week to the cost of a holiday/work related short stay accom. | |||
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" I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows Well, they did have a plan. To get rid of winter fuel payments but they kept quiet about that because they knew it could lose them the election... ...Maybe another plan about farmers but they probably knew they wouldn't be getting votes from farmers anyway. And next up is the tourists and tourism industry. 5% tourist tax on accommodation; hotels, airbnb, self catering etc. adding £50-100 a week to the cost of a holiday/work related short stay accom. " The most bestest way to Keep Inflation Great Again! | |||
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"You guys are joking aren't you ? I must admit I was taken in with all the bullshit you were posting. I fell for your wish to be back to the days of leaders of competence and moral integrity like Boris or even better Truss both ditched by those cuddly Tories from within. But yes okay I get it your all taking the piss .imagine me thinking anyone seriously wanted that rag tag party of racists and grifters back. Good one guys " It's a fair cop, the Tories were bad. But they got us through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine war more or less intact. Labour on the other hand are walking us towards the Abyss. They have to be stopped or at least curtailed before they inflict too much damage. | |||
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" I'm aware that nearly all politicians lie, thing is Labour had no plan coming to this election and it shows Well, they did have a plan. To get rid of winter fuel payments but they kept quiet about that because they knew it could lose them the election... ...Maybe another plan about farmers but they probably knew they wouldn't be getting votes from farmers anyway. And next up is the tourists and tourism industry. 5% tourist tax on accommodation; hotels, airbnb, self catering etc. adding £50-100 a week to the cost of a holiday/work related short stay accom. " Good news for Ryanair, so much for Net Zero.  | |||
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" It ain't! The voting public that could be bothered voted more Labour MPs in than any other party, so for five years (or at the PMs) will Labour have the power. So while all the meaningless petitions and TikTok memes are living rent free in the heads of some people (farmers, reformers, etc.) they are actually useless As proved by the people that wanted Brexit softened/ repealed.... nobody listens. In an office in parliament there is massive delete button and next to it a massive shredder for all this junk Thats another can of worms altogether! "only 1:5 of the voting public voted for Labour. Many, many Tories either sat on their hands at home or voted Reform. Also, Reform came second in about 80 seats. Labour are not as popular as you think. Don’t be fooled by the majority, that can soon disappear as the Tories proved. | |||
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"As much as I don't like Laour , I don't think it's time for another election, for multiple reasons. - Though they have done poorly, but it's a really short period. - Not saying the Tories will win. But I expect them to take more time to rebuild. It would be better to have an election after having clearer options - I don't think any political party can save UK at this point, unless something changes drastically. Sure Labour made things even worse. But the other options don't inspire us with confidence either " Agree and clearly an Election isn't going to happen no matter how many people sign this petition. But if Labour ignores the weak mandate they have and simply play to their core supporters (such as taxing groups like Farmers) then they will be be well beaten when an election does take place. | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. " How many voted something other than Labour in the general election? We are looking for a majority here. | |||
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" Agree and clearly an Election isn't going to happen no matter how many people sign this petition. But if Labour ignores the weak mandate they have and simply play to their core supporters (such as taxing groups like Farmers) then they will be be well beaten when an election does take place." Not known a government so unpopular so quickly after the election Not just the farmers, they’ve upset the unions, the pensioners. Tourism industry getting it next with a 5% short stay accommodation tax The free clothes, chancellors fake CV, boats not stopped, the 1.5 million homes not happening, right buy to be made more difficult by Rayner, ladder pulled up as she got hers and flipped it for a 48k tax free profit while not living in it. | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. How many voted something other than Labour in the general election? We are looking for a majority here. " Well over 2mil now... | |||
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"It was 483k at 10.30 this morning 948k now Gathering a pace. How many voted something other than Labour in the general election? We are looking for a majority here. Well over 2mil now..." Over 20% of the Labour vote. | |||
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"Government rejects Brexit petition to revoke article 50 signed by 5.8 million people" I don't think anyone is expecting this petition to result in a new General Election, but it might result in a few policies being changed, and possibly Labour realising that their policies aren't as popular as they thought they would be. | |||
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"Government rejects Brexit petition to revoke article 50 signed by 5.8 million people I don't think anyone is expecting this petition to result in a new General Election, but it might result in a few policies being changed, and possibly Labour realising that their policies aren't as popular as they thought they would be." I'm afraid that's not how politics work. | |||
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" Both Boris Johnson and Liz Truss resigned under pressure- will Sir Kier be forced to do the same?" Boris resigned because he lied to parliament, Liz resigned because she crashed the economy Starmer has done neither of those things as far as I am aware We know the rules.. party in power gets 5 years Just because some may not like what they doing.. thing about democracy.. you voted for them! | |||
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" Both Boris Johnson and Liz Truss resigned under pressure- will Sir Kier be forced to do the same? Boris resigned because he lied to parliament, Liz resigned because she crashed the economy Starmer has done neither of those things as far as I am aware We know the rules.. party in power gets 5 years Just because some may not like what they doing.. thing about democracy.. you voted for them! " Exactly this. Unless something egregious happens, you get what you vote for. | |||
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" Business asset disposal relief reduced for entrepreneurs Yeah but apart from... Economy worsened Inflation increased by 60% x" And… stop right there….. Now…. Having a maths degree, I am a fan of a good statistic! But that “inflation increased by 60%” is doing a lot of heavy lifting And you are being disingenuous by using it the way you are trying to… and actually… the way you are using it is actually wrong anyway What you are trying to is say when the conservatives left it way 2%.. and the last monthly figure was 3.2% … which is 60% But the inflation figure is a “year on year” comparison from the date a year before, when they have only had 4 monthly figures of an overlapping period Penalty on the play…. 5 minute double major 1 5 minute major for bad use of a statistic, and 1 5 minute major for incorrect use of a statistic! Seriously though… don’t copy and paste something you don’t understand…. Or if it wasn’t a copy and paste, don’t use a statistic you clearly don’t understand to sensationalise a point that is clearly provably wrong! Otherwise you get nerds with maths degrees showing you up!!!!! | |||
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"Government rejects Brexit petition to revoke article 50 signed by 5.8 million people" "I don't think anyone is expecting this petition to result in a new General Election, but it might result in a few policies being changed, and possibly Labour realising that their policies aren't as popular as they thought they would be." "I'm afraid that's not how politics work." It's exactly how politics works. If enough people show their displeasure, the party leader reverses the policy, sacks the relevant minister and puts all the blame on them (whether it was their fault or not). If the people continue to show their displeasure, lower people in the party start to gang up to get rid of the leader and put someone more popular in place. As the petition has passed 100,000 signatures, parliament has to consider it for a debate. They could block it, but that will cause a storm of headlines. They could try to keep the debate small, but the opposition parties will want to make as much capital out of it as possible. The easiest way to get rid of it would be to sack Rachelle Reeves (even if she has just been doing what she was told to). | |||
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" Both Boris Johnson and Liz Truss resigned under pressure- will Sir Kier be forced to do the same? Boris resigned because he lied to parliament, Liz resigned because she crashed the economy Starmer has done neither of those things as far as I am aware We know the rules.. party in power gets 5 years Just because some may not like what they doing.. thing about democracy.. you voted for them! Exactly this. Unless something egregious happens, you get what you vote for." Totally agree....whenever Labour inserted into their _anifesto that they were going to cancel winter fuel payments, shaft farmers, accept free arsenal tickets, accept free Taylor swift tickets, accept free clothes, jewellery and spectacles, sell out to Blackrock and the world economic forum, keep accepting small boats from France and asking for sausages to be released...yes! The average labour voter would want another 5 years of that. Long may he reign
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"Penalty on the play…. 5 minute double major 1 5 minute major for bad use of a statistic, and 1 5 minute major for incorrect use of a statistic! Seriously though… don’t copy and paste something you don’t understand…. Or if it wasn’t a copy and paste, don’t use a statistic you clearly don’t understand to sensationalise a point that is clearly provably wrong! Otherwise you get nerds with maths degrees showing you up!!!!!" Sadly, that maths nerd is an American, and so used a sports analogy that's completely incomprehensible to the majority of people posting here. I've no idea if a "5 minute major" is a good thing or a bad thing. | |||
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" Business asset disposal relief reduced for entrepreneurs Yeah but apart from... Economy worsened Inflation increased by 60% x And… stop right there….. Now…. Having a maths degree, I am a fan of a good statistic! But that “inflation increased by 60%” is doing a lot of heavy lifting And you are being disingenuous by using it the way you are trying to… and actually… the way you are using it is actually wrong anyway What you are trying to is say when the conservatives left it way 2%.. and the last monthly figure was 3.2% … which is 60% But the inflation figure is a “year on year” comparison from the date a year before, when they have only had 4 monthly figures of an overlapping period Penalty on the play…. 5 minute double major 1 5 minute major for bad use of a statistic, and 1 5 minute major for incorrect use of a statistic! Seriously though… don’t copy and paste something you don’t understand…. Or if it wasn’t a copy and paste, don’t use a statistic you clearly don’t understand to sensationalise a point that is clearly provably wrong! Otherwise you get nerds with maths degrees showing you up!!!!! A Statistics teacher at school told me “Remember, there are lies, damn lies and statistics “, he then went on to show the class how a single set of ‘statistics’ could be used to demonstrate 4 different and conflicting conclusions. "But he was right.....78% of the time, no? Mrs x | |||
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"You guys are joking aren't you ? I must admit I was taken in with all the bullshit you were posting. I fell for your wish to be back to the days of leaders of competence and moral integrity like Boris or even better Truss both ditched by those cuddly Tories from within. But yes okay I get it your all taking the piss .imagine me thinking anyone seriously wanted that rag tag party of racists and grifters back. Good one guys It's a fair cop, the Tories were bad. But they got us through Brexit, Covid and Ukraine war more or less intact. Labour on the other hand are walking us towards the Abyss. They have to be stopped or at least curtailed before they inflict too much damage." 🤡🤡🤡 | |||
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" They did mention all that in their _anifesto, right?" You don't vote for a _anifesto unless you're very naive. You vote for an MP, and that's what you get. That's it. Often a lying, sleazy scumbag. | |||
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"Sir Michael Caine has signed ! D" Not a lot of people know that | |||
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"Sir Michael Caine has signed ! D Not a lot of people know that" Only about 2 million | |||
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"Of course those who want to gain as much as they can, will be pushing for an election. But democracy created our fixed term parliaments. We can't live and be governed by baying mobs, who would waste £millions in wasted investment etc and plunge the country into a banana republic style operation. You can tell that some people aren't content with keeping their finances at an ever growing distance from the proles" Think its the opposite, fear for: Illegal mass immigration Pensioners freezing Farmers out of pocket Disastrous budget Incompetent government Just a few reasons in my opinion. | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit " And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. " Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries?" Pretty idiotic response dude | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? Pretty idiotic response dude " Its no problem, I’ll start a go fund page for you start packing.x Back on subject: 2,010,529 have signed petition;) | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit " He's not the only one, that's literally how democracy works lest we would still be in.. Not sure it should or will happen as the last one mainly served to illustrate that a referendum isn't the best way of sorting out national issues.. It will be adjusted to iron out some of the faults of Boris's deal over time.. | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? Pretty idiotic response dude " | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? Pretty idiotic response dude Its no problem, I’ll start a go fund page for you start packing.x Back on subject: 2,010,529 have signed petition;)" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Ya that seeks like a legitimate reason to hold another general election. Who will replace the current government. I'm assuming not the party that was there a year ago and got absolutely demolished kn another recent general election. Maybe they should just do a rotation every 3 months | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? Pretty idiotic response dude Its no problem, I’ll start a go fund page for you start packing.x Back on subject: 2,010,529 have signed petition;) So that's currently about 2% of the population. Ya that seeks like a legitimate reason to hold another general election. Who will replace the current government. I'm assuming not the party that was there a year ago and got absolutely demolished kn another recent general election. Maybe they should just do a rotation every 3 months" 2 and a quarter of a million now  | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school "No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good. | |||
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No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good. "Shows the power of the right wing media. | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? Pretty idiotic response dude Its no problem, I’ll start a go fund page for you start packing.x Back on subject: 2,010,529 have signed petition;) So that's currently about 2% of the population. Ya that seeks like a legitimate reason to hold another general election. Who will replace the current government. I'm assuming not the party that was there a year ago and got absolutely demolished kn another recent general election. Maybe they should just do a rotation every 3 months" | |||
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"Just remember folks, Keir Starmer wanted a second referendum on Brexit And I believe that a hell of a lot of people who got duped by the Brexit bullshit and let's face it we got lied to on a biblical scale, would probably vote to stay in this time. I think if it did go to a revote it'd probably be something like 65/70% In Favour of rejoining. Or you can alway move to one of the European countries? Pretty idiotic response dude Its no problem, I’ll start a go fund page for you start packing.x Back on subject: 2,010,529 have signed petition;) So that's currently about 2% of the population. Ya that seeks like a legitimate reason to hold another general election. Who will replace the current government. I'm assuming not the party that was there a year ago and got absolutely demolished kn another recent general election. Maybe they should just do a rotation every 3 months" I agree it won't lead to another GE but can't get your 2% figure to work. Not even with the whole population let alone using only those that are entitled to vote | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,"What was? The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments. | |||
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"SKS seems to be trying to brush it off as a small number of non Labour voters if the BBC is to be believed... "He did a soft soap interview on daytime TV today and even there looked uncomfortable. | |||
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"SKS seems to be trying to brush it off as a small number of non Labour voters if the BBC is to be believed... "Did he mention his dad was a toolmaker, by any chance? | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,
What was?
The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all.
The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments. "Yes totally agree it’s the Tories fault the Labour government is doing such a pathetic job. Spot on . X | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,
What was?
The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all.
The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments.
Yes totally agree it’s the Tories fault the Labour government is doing such a pathetic job. Spot on . X"Maybe reread what I said. Because it certainly isn't what you just said there. Not even vaguely close. I was very clear. | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,
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The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all.
The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments.
Yes totally agree it’s the Tories fault the Labour government is doing such a pathetic job. Spot on . X
Maybe reread what I said. Because it certainly isn't what you just said there. Not even vaguely close. I was very clear."Are you really say that the current Labour government is getting bad publicity unduly called for ? | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,
What was?
The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all.
The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments.
Yes totally agree it’s the Tories fault the Labour government is doing such a pathetic job. Spot on . X
Maybe reread what I said. Because it certainly isn't what you just said there. Not even vaguely close. I was very clear.
Are you really say that the current Labour government is getting bad publicity unduly called for ?"Nope. 3rd time lucky. | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,
What was?
The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all.
The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments.
Yes totally agree it’s the Tories fault the Labour government is doing such a pathetic job. Spot on . X
Maybe reread what I said. Because it certainly isn't what you just said there. Not even vaguely close. I was very clear.
Are you really say that the current Labour government is getting bad publicity unduly called for ?
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3rd time lucky."Do you not think you’re a wee bit bias and probably embarrassed. Because your beloved Labour Party seems to look like they could not run a piss up in a brewery? | |||
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" So that's currently about 2% of the population. Did you skip maths at school
No but think Rachel Reeves did , got to admit , even if you’re a little lefty. It doesn’t look good.
Shows the power of the right wing media.
Its was left wing a few months ago ,
What was?
The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all.
The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments.
Yes totally agree it’s the Tories fault the Labour government is doing such a pathetic job. Spot on . X
Maybe reread what I said. Because it certainly isn't what you just said there. Not even vaguely close. I was very clear.
Are you really say that the current Labour government is getting bad publicity unduly called for ?
Nope.
3rd time lucky.
Do you not think you’re a wee bit bias and probably embarrassed. Because your beloved Labour Party seems to look like they could not run a piss up in a brewery?"Nope. I'm not a labour supporter. And even if I was, this isn't related to my point at all. I'll repeat it here for clarity. "The last government was way worse, and most of it went unreported in the right wing media. The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. The media should have applied the current level of scrutiny to all governments." | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
Out of context yes. In context no."I'm really not sure if you are being serious, the tories were the most scrutinised government I have known, they did some bat shit cray stuff to get there, in fact I can only think of Trump who would out rank the media scrutiny. | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
Out of context yes. In context no.
I'm really not sure if you are being serious, the tories were the most scrutinised government I have known, they did some bat shit cray stuff to get there, in fact I can only think of Trump who would out rank the media scrutiny. "Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press. Just look at what's happening now, the press are rightly holding Labour to account, they simply didn't do this for the last government. Threads like these and the petition for another election are firm evidence. How many people on here have been outraged about Labour since they were elected, and yet never said a peep about the Tories doing way worse. | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
Out of context yes. In context no.
I'm really not sure if you are being serious, the tories were the most scrutinised government I have known, they did some bat shit cray stuff to get there, in fact I can only think of Trump who would out rank the media scrutiny.
Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press.
Just look at what's happening now, the press are rightly holding Labour to account, they simply didn't do this for the last government.
Threads like these and the petition for another election are firm evidence.
How many people on here have been outraged about Labour since they were elected, and yet never said a peep about the Tories doing way worse. "Economic policies are the main gripe people have with labour, agreed? I don't think the Tories were worse than this labour government when it came to managing the countries finances and economic strategy. I will ignore the Truss fallout. | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press. " Panama papers, partygate, Covid vip contracts, Zahawi’s tax fraud, justice secretary BVI £900k second job, hunts £44k en suite on the nhs, Truss and Kwarteng budget, Sunak’s non dom.… Every day in every newspaper Tory sleaze. | |||
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" Economic policies are the main gripe people have with labour, agreed? " More the lack of clarity over tax targets, pensioners, farmers, businesses, and now tourism. Voters fell for it, every interviewer tried to get a straight answer from Starmer, and failed. | |||
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"The Labour Party must be out of government by any legal means " Another election in about 4 years then, Mrs x | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
Out of context yes. In context no.
I'm really not sure if you are being serious, the tories were the most scrutinised government I have known, they did some bat shit cray stuff to get there, in fact I can only think of Trump who would out rank the media scrutiny.
Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press.
Just look at what's happening now, the press are rightly holding Labour to account, they simply didn't do this for the last government.
Threads like these and the petition for another election are firm evidence.
How many people on here have been outraged about Labour since they were elected, and yet never said a peep about the Tories doing way worse.
Economic policies are the main gripe people have with labour, agreed? I don't think the Tories were worse than this labour government when it came to managing the countries finances and economic strategy.
I will ignore the Truss fallout.
"Ignore Truss because it doesn't fit your narrative, it cost the country billions but that's ok apparently because she's a Tory. Mrs x | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
Out of context yes. In context no.
I'm really not sure if you are being serious, the tories were the most scrutinised government I have known, they did some bat shit cray stuff to get there, in fact I can only think of Trump who would out rank the media scrutiny.
Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press.
Just look at what's happening now, the press are rightly holding Labour to account, they simply didn't do this for the last government.
Threads like these and the petition for another election are firm evidence.
How many people on here have been outraged about Labour since they were elected, and yet never said a peep about the Tories doing way worse. "Do you know why? Because people voted for them thinking they were going to get something better. But it’s more of the same if not worse. | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press. Panama papers, partygate, Covid vip contracts, Zahawi’s tax fraud, justice secretary BVI £900k second job, hunts £44k en suite on the nhs, Truss and Kwarteng budget, Sunak’s non dom.… Every day in every newspaper Tory sleaze. " Grossly under reported in the majority of the press. And significantly worse than anything Labour is doing. And Labour are getting much more heavily scrutinised. | |||
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"Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press. ... How many people on here have been outraged about Labour since they were elected, and yet never said a peep about the Tories doing way worse." How can you expect them to criticise the Tories over a story that they couldn't have known about because the press were covering it all up? The Tories couldn't even let one of their advisors go for a drive to Barnard Castle without the press being all over it. What do you think happened that the mass media didn't report? | |||
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" The Tories weren't scrutinised at all. Are you going all in on a late entry quote of the year, Johnny
Out of context yes. In context no.
I'm really not sure if you are being serious, the tories were the most scrutinised government I have known, they did some bat shit cray stuff to get there, in fact I can only think of Trump who would out rank the media scrutiny.
Simply not true. The Tories were barely scrutinised by the majority of the press.
Just look at what's happening now, the press are rightly holding Labour to account, they simply didn't do this for the last government.
Threads like these and the petition for another election are firm evidence.
How many people on here have been outraged about Labour since they were elected, and yet never said a peep about the Tories doing way worse.
Do you know why? Because people voted for them thinking they were going to get something better. But it’s more of the same if not worse. "They did get something better, it's not good, but it's less shit, less self serving. This is the point, people are 100 times more outraged over way less. | |||
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