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"Seriously? Food poverty, tampon poverty, TV poverty? You have kids, they're your responsibility, not everyone else's. How's about parents do a bit of parenting? I await the abuse " Truth is they can’t, they had parents who didn’t. There’s a large proportion of society need the government ti be their mum , to count to 5 for fruit and veg for them, to tell them if they are fat, and buy them stuff because they were raised so bad even their communities, friends and families refuse to take responsibility for them. Luckily we have a communist in charge now, they will make sure they get enough data for Uber and deliveroo so at least they won’t starve or have to get busses | |||
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"Could somebody please explain the topic to me as I don't have a telly and the subject might impinge on me. Thanks." O2 have launched a campaign highlighting the issues of data poverty: Some of their facts: 8 million households reported difficulty in affording communications services. 3.7 million households with children do not meet the Minimum Digital Living Standard (4 in 10 households in the UK) 8.5 million people lack basic digital skills And what they say they are doing about it: Virgin Media O2 joined forces with Good Things Foundation and founded the National Databank, we’ve connected over 90,000 people with O2 SIM cards , each providing free data, texts and minutes every month for up to 12 months. I think people are finding issue with the word poverty, and not associating data with it. | |||
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"Random online says 94% of UK residents aged 16 and over own a smartphone, which equates to around 51.9 million people. The number of people with a smartphone has increased since 2023, when just 87% of people owned a smartphone. (12 Nov 2024) Sounds like these data poverty claims are nonsense " Owning a smart phone is not the only consideration, can people work, create CV's, study, stream movies as a family on a smart phone? I'm not 100% up to speed on this but I can see what they saying in terms of levelling the basics such as internet access. | |||
"Seriously? Food poverty, tampon poverty, TV poverty? You have kids, they're your responsibility, not everyone else's. How's about parents do a bit of parenting? I await the abuse " Boom. Exactly right.  | |||
"Could somebody please explain the topic to me as I don't have a telly and the subject might impinge on me. Thanks. O2 have launched a campaign highlighting the issues of data poverty: Some of their facts: 8 million households reported difficulty in affording communications services. 3.7 million households with children do not meet the Minimum Digital Living Standard (4 in 10 households in the UK) 8.5 million people lack basic digital skills And what they say they are doing about it: Virgin Media O2 joined forces with Good Things Foundation and founded the National Databank, we’ve connected over 90,000 people with O2 SIM cards , each providing free data, texts and minutes every month for up to 12 months. I think people are finding issue with the word poverty, and not associating data with it." Thank you.That is an interesting list. Some items of a debatable nature, though. | |||
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"I am aware that libraries have free internet access but they're closing by the dozen" incidentaly, libraries don't allow data to be uploaded via their internet, so no CV's etc. | |||
"I am aware that libraries have free internet access but they're closing by the dozen incidentaly, libraries don't allow data to be uploaded via their internet, so no CV's etc." I didn't know that although I can understand why. | |||
"I am aware that libraries have free internet access but they're closing by the dozen incidentaly, libraries don't allow data to be uploaded via their internet, so no CV's etc. I didn't know that although I can understand why. " aye, it does but it adds to this 'digital poverty' maybe, especially when institutions and business are increasingly making the only access to them through an online medium. | |||
"I am aware that libraries have free internet access but they're closing by the dozen incidentaly, libraries don't allow data to be uploaded via their internet, so no CV's etc. I didn't know that although I can understand why. aye, it does but it adds to this 'digital poverty' maybe, especially when institutions and business are increasingly making the only access to them through an online medium." What on earth did people do without internet | |||
"What on earth did people do without internet " all the things that are getting icreasingly more difficult, if not impossible, to do | |||
"I am aware that libraries have free internet access but they're closing by the dozen incidentaly, libraries don't allow data to be uploaded via their internet, so no CV's etc. I didn't know that although I can understand why. aye, it does but it adds to this 'digital poverty' maybe, especially when institutions and business are increasingly making the only access to them through an online medium. What on earth did people do without internet " They used other means of communication etc but we have the net now and we're increasingly directed to it for everything from accessing medical advice to finding a date. | |||
"What on earth did people do without internet all the things that are getting icreasingly more difficult, if not impossible, to do " More difficult? So it's back to soft then? What's wrong with a little bit of hardship because it's not impossible | |||
"What on earth did people do without internet all the things that are getting icreasingly more difficult, if not impossible, to do More difficult? So it's back to soft then? What's wrong with a little bit of hardship because it's not impossible " is that a blanket 'its not impossible'? depends what you're trying to do surely | |||
"What on earth did people do without internet all the things that are getting icreasingly more difficult, if not impossible, to do More difficult? So it's back to soft then? What's wrong with a little bit of hardship because it's not impossible is that a blanket 'its not impossible'? depends what you're trying to do surely" Pretty difficult to hang on at no 56 in the queue for a doctor with no data | |||
"What on earth did people do without internet all the things that are getting icreasingly more difficult, if not impossible, to do More difficult? So it's back to soft then? What's wrong with a little bit of hardship because it's not impossible is that a blanket 'its not impossible'? depends what you're trying to do surely" A can do attitude is something that we used to have in the UK...if you think you can't do something, you won't | |||
"What on earth did people do without internet all the things that are getting icreasingly more difficult, if not impossible, to do More difficult? So it's back to soft then? What's wrong with a little bit of hardship because it's not impossible is that a blanket 'its not impossible'? depends what you're trying to do surely Pretty difficult to hang on at no 56 in the queue for a doctor with no data" or post a letter to a service with no postal address | |||
"A can do attitude is something that we used to have in the UK...if you think you can't do something, you won't " yes godamit ... those 80 yr old war veterans need to give themselves a good shake and get on with their online applications for pension credit with their iphones | |||
"A can do attitude is something that we used to have in the UK...if you think you can't do something, you won't yes godamit ... those 80 yr old war veterans need to give themselves a good shake and get on with their online applications for pension credit with their iphones" There are a lot of things we have to do for my dad because he doesn't know how to on line. He's 97 and couldn't get shopping delivered, newspapers delivered, milk delivered etc . All the banks in his town are closed, before his branch shut they told him to make all his transactions on line 🤷♀️, when he went to set up an account in a building society they told him he needed to do it on line. I genuinely don't think that trying harder would help him. | |||
"A can do attitude is something that we used to have in the UK...if you think you can't do something, you won't yes godamit ... those 80 yr old war veterans need to give themselves a good shake and get on with their online applications for pension credit with their iphones There are a lot of things we have to do for my dad because he doesn't know how to on line. He's 97 and couldn't get shopping delivered, newspapers delivered, milk delivered etc . All the banks in his town are closed, before his branch shut they told him to make all his transactions on line 🤷♀️, when he went to set up an account in a building society they told him he needed to do it on line. I genuinely don't think that trying harder would help him. " i totally agree, hence my sarcasm in the previous post. i'm not sure younger folks understand how isolating the lack of conectivity can be aside from the problems it causes not being able to get online. | |||
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"I can’t really understand why so many older people seem to be unable to use online services. My dad, who is well into his 80s has a computer, a smartphone and a kindle tablet. All connected to the Internet. He books travel tickets, does banking, and accesses government services online. He isn’t an expert but manages OK. The father in law is similar. No real excuse for not being able to do it." So I guess you 80 year old was shown what ti do and how to do it. And probably infrared it from an earlier time. So can he hot spot hit kindle through a secondary device to down load books if there is no WiFi. Or load a power point presentation crop a photo on his phone. We all know how to do some things with IT but there is so much software out there no one will ever know all of it. Some sites are easier to navigate then others. As as said above if you can't afford heating and devices and never used any of the softwares it hard at an older age to learn. | |||
"I can’t really understand why so many older people seem to be unable to use online services. My dad, who is well into his 80s has a computer, a smartphone and a kindle tablet. All connected to the Internet. He books travel tickets, does banking, and accesses government services online. He isn’t an expert but manages OK. The father in law is similar. No real excuse for not being able to do it." unless it's a choice between, heating or eating then buying a phone or laptop and paying what, £350 per year for broadband. people need to make their minds up when they criticise the removal of winter fuel payments for freezing pensioners just to make an idealogical on the one hand then start kicking pensioners because they can't afford conectivity or are computer iliterate. | |||
"I can’t really understand why so many older people seem to be unable to use online services. My dad, who is well into his 80s has a computer, a smartphone and a kindle tablet. All connected to the Internet. He books travel tickets, does banking, and accesses government services online. He isn’t an expert but manages OK. The father in law is similar. No real excuse for not being able to do it." My dad hasn't got an excuse for not being able to manage anything but basic actions on line. He does have valid reasons though one of which is being partially sighted. | |||
"I can’t really understand why so many older people seem to be unable to use online services. My dad, who is well into his 80s has a computer, a smartphone and a kindle tablet. All connected to the Internet. He books travel tickets, does banking, and accesses government services online. He isn’t an expert but manages OK. The father in law is similar. No real excuse for not being able to do it." Not everyone is equal, in their abilities or resources. My mom is blind, no longer able to walk and has a range of disabilities. They present extra obstacles and difficulties for someone, who doesn't understand technology of 2024, though is struggling to remember technology of a couple of years ago. But is expected to, though has more complex challenges and demands imposed on her, that younger people would also struggle with. Not everyone ages at the same rate - menopause starts for some at 15 years old, for example. | |||
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"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming." And I'm not saying people who genuinely need help shouldn't get it, but all I see happening with this is people taking the piss, and they will! | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming." There is something you haven't mentioned as to the reference to Tv's fridges and such. The Hugh debt they incur from those buy now pay later or in instalments. It is a pretty big industry aimed at attracting the poor for profit and aims to achieve debt. So when the reality of this debt hits there's no more money to fit out the kids bedroom as discussed when the TV and such were brought. No more cash for food, the car is no longer driven and not fit to be sold. There will always be an industry working in the shadows exploiting the poor, poorly educated, I think that's more of an issue as these business take our tax money through a proxy. Or is it another skim off the top. | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming. There is something you haven't mentioned as to the reference to Tv's fridges and such. The Hugh debt they incur from those buy now pay later or in instalments. It is a pretty big industry aimed at attracting the poor for profit and aims to achieve debt. So when the reality of this debt hits there's no more money to fit out the kids bedroom as discussed when the TV and such were brought. No more cash for food, the car is no longer driven and not fit to be sold. There will always be an industry working in the shadows exploiting the poor, poorly educated, I think that's more of an issue as these business take our tax money through a proxy. Or is it another skim off the top." If they are struggling why but a fridge the size of a car and an 85inch TV ? | |||
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" If they are struggling why but a fridge the size of a car and an 85inch TV ?" The answer made clear in the quoted text above your reply. Buying stuff on borrowed finance. | |||
"Devices, data and connectivity are all cheap. " they are considerably more than the WFP taken from pensioners | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming." I have to agree with your post, to an extent. I was a paramedic in London and other cities for many years, so I went into houses before they got the chance to hide stuff they didn't want to be seen by social workers. All the high end stuff you mentioned, which I concede was probably bought on finance, but I didn't know this. There was also a lot of stuff that couldn't have been bought on finance - dr*g paraphernalia, cartons of ciggies, booze, computer games etc. I even heard one mother tell her 10 year old son to change out of his designer gear and put on his "shit clothes" in case the social worker was on duty in A&E. Honestly, the only true poverty I ever really saw was in the homes of the elderly. | |||
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"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming." Have also worked in social housing and would say you have sumed it up about right but most of the family also have pets that also cost to keep? Why if your skint? | |||
"Devices, data and connectivity are all cheap. they are considerably more than the WFP taken from pensioners " Not true. Amazon were selling a Samsung A05 smrtphone for £99 not long ago. Should last at least 4 years so less than £25 per year. My data plan is £8.99 a month for 20 Gb 5G. I only pay that much because I need European roaming included. If you need a full computer, a Raspberry Pi kit is les than £100 new and will last many years. Used machines are also cheap. So it is all cheap and readily available. | |||
"Devices, data and connectivity are all cheap. they are considerably more than the WFP taken from pensioners Not true. Amazon were selling a Samsung A05 smrtphone for £99 not long ago. Should last at least 4 years so less than £25 per year. My data plan is £8.99 a month for 20 Gb 5G. I only pay that much because I need European roaming included. If you need a full computer, a Raspberry Pi kit is les than £100 new and will last many years. Used machines are also cheap. So it is all cheap and readily available." yeah plus the keyboard, plus the mouse, plus the monitor etc etc etc.  | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming." A couple of things I think you might have misinterpreted about the advert, unless there are two versions? The woman is standing outside a laundrette, she overhears 2 people talking about their grandparents cooking, and she is unable to video call (what appears to be) her parents due to insufficient data. The kebab shop doesn’t exist in the advert. The scenarios also show a young girl running out of data while watching a video on a train it is the father who apologises, I assume because she is going to be on the train for a while, a young woman in a supermarket unable to check her bank balance as she puts food items on the conveyor, and a young man working in a fast-food restaurant who can’t study on his break because he has no data. I completely understand your point about priorities, especially given your experiences in social housing. Some people do seem to be prioritising luxury items over essentials, as you point out. But I think it’s also important to recognise that not everyone does. Internet access is as essential as other utilities. It keeps people connected, enables work, education, and financial management, and helps maintain friendships and I guess feeling connected. I think the addictive nature of consumerism and the influence of corporate advertising also plays a major role in people’s inability to prioritise the basics over the luxury nice to haves. It raises another question for me, do schools teach practical skills like data management, budgeting, paying bills, and other life essentials? Should they, or should we rely on parents to pass these skills on? Not everyone has the advantage of parents who are capable of passing on the skills to enable their children. | |||
"Devices, data and connectivity are all cheap. they are considerably more than the WFP taken from pensioners Not true. Amazon were selling a Samsung A05 smrtphone for £99 not long ago. Should last at least 4 years so less than £25 per year. My data plan is £8.99 a month for 20 Gb 5G. I only pay that much because I need European roaming included. If you need a full computer, a Raspberry Pi kit is les than £100 new and will last many years. Used machines are also cheap. So it is all cheap and readily available. yeah plus the keyboard, plus the mouse, plus the monitor etc etc etc. "I said kit. Plugs into telly. Everything else included. | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming. A couple of things I think you might have misinterpreted about the advert, unless there are two versions? The woman is standing outside a laundrette, she overhears 2 people talking about their grandparents cooking, and she is unable to video call (what appears to be) her parents due to insufficient data. The kebab shop doesn’t exist in the advert. The scenarios also show a young girl running out of data while watching a video on a train it is the father who apologises, I assume because she is going to be on the train for a while, a young woman in a supermarket unable to check her bank balance as she puts food items on the conveyor, and a young man working in a fast-food restaurant who can’t study on his break because he has no data. I completely understand your point about priorities, especially given your experiences in social housing. Some people do seem to be prioritising luxury items over essentials, as you point out. But I think it’s also important to recognise that not everyone does. Internet access is as essential as other utilities. It keeps people connected, enables work, education, and financial management, and helps maintain friendships and I guess feeling connected. I think the addictive nature of consumerism and the influence of corporate advertising also plays a major role in people’s inability to prioritise the basics over the luxury nice to haves. It raises another question for me, do schools teach practical skills like data management, budgeting, paying bills, and other life essentials? Should they, or should we rely on parents to pass these skills on? Not everyone has the advantage of parents who are capable of passing on the skills to enable their children. " For me schools should do some basic teaching in Managment skills. Wether they start with time management for home work. But it's transferable skills to data, money and life in general. Just learning to priorities what is most important to you in life. | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming. There is something you haven't mentioned as to the reference to Tv's fridges and such. The Hugh debt they incur from those buy now pay later or in instalments. It is a pretty big industry aimed at attracting the poor for profit and aims to achieve debt. So when the reality of this debt hits there's no more money to fit out the kids bedroom as discussed when the TV and such were brought. No more cash for food, the car is no longer driven and not fit to be sold. There will always be an industry working in the shadows exploiting the poor, poorly educated, I think that's more of an issue as these business take our tax money through a proxy. Or is it another skim off the top. If they are struggling why but a fridge the size of a car and an 85inch TV ?" How could you carry such views and support those you think so little about. You state you did work in social housing. You're seeing and not understanding. | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming. There is something you haven't mentioned as to the reference to Tv's fridges and such. The Hugh debt they incur from those buy now pay later or in instalments. It is a pretty big industry aimed at attracting the poor for profit and aims to achieve debt. So when the reality of this debt hits there's no more money to fit out the kids bedroom as discussed when the TV and such were brought. No more cash for food, the car is no longer driven and not fit to be sold. There will always be an industry working in the shadows exploiting the poor, poorly educated, I think that's more of an issue as these business take our tax money through a proxy. Or is it another skim off the top. If they are struggling why but a fridge the size of a car and an 85inch TV ? How could you carry such views and support those you think so little about. You state you did work in social housing. You're seeing and not understanding." Oh I understand fully, when you have people actually laugh in your face and tell you " your a mug for working" those who play the system can exploit it and do. I think it's yourself who doesn't understand and thinks everyone is honest and genuine, you only needed to see the amount of fraudulent furlough claim's during the pandemic to understand this. Go work in the environment I did for even a year I absolutely guarantee that your opinion will change also. So don't point the finger at me before you know the full fact's! | |||
"Seriously? Food poverty, tampon poverty, TV poverty? You have kids, they're your responsibility, not everyone else's. How's about parents do a bit of parenting? I await the abuse " I'd reply but can't be arsed... Can someone else do it for me? | |||
"The advert doesn't help. A family on a train unable to play a game due to insufficient data is hardly a crisis. A woman outside a kebab shop unable to face time family. Life sucks for everyone at sometime is say data poverty and actual poverty are two very different sides of the coin. I worked in social housing for ten years or so and apart from a very few genuine people, the ones jumping up and down about being poor expecting the government to pay for everything nearly always: Huge screen TV and satellite dish or cable, brand new washing machines and tumble dryers, huge American style fridge, brand new sofas, laptops, phone's, playstation, empty takeaway containers, and beer, smoking cigarettes like they are free, expensive trainers and usually a decent car outside. Meanwhile children's room no carpet on the floor and mattress on floor just a sheet and manky dirty quilt, kid's go to school packet of crisps for breakfast. I'm not even saying that this was a one off quite literally hundreds. It's all about priorities really deciding what's important. AND BEFORE people get bent out of shape obviously there's genuine cases I'm just giving example of my own experience I've seen first hand. Claiming poverty and actual being in poverty can be poles apart. As I said Priorities , we've been shit poor most our lives despite working hard and not claiming. There is something you haven't mentioned as to the reference to Tv's fridges and such. The Hugh debt they incur from those buy now pay later or in instalments. It is a pretty big industry aimed at attracting the poor for profit and aims to achieve debt. So when the reality of this debt hits there's no more money to fit out the kids bedroom as discussed when the TV and such were brought. No more cash for food, the car is no longer driven and not fit to be sold. There will always be an industry working in the shadows exploiting the poor, poorly educated, I think that's more of an issue as these business take our tax money through a proxy. Or is it another skim off the top. If they are struggling why but a fridge the size of a car and an 85inch TV ? How could you carry such views and support those you think so little about. You state you did work in social housing. You're seeing and not understanding. Oh I understand fully, when you have people actually laugh in your face and tell you " your a mug for working" those who play the system can exploit it and do. I think it's yourself who doesn't understand and thinks everyone is honest and genuine, you only needed to see the amount of fraudulent furlough claim's during the pandemic to understand this. Go work in the environment I did for even a year I absolutely guarantee that your opinion will change also. So don't point the finger at me before you know the full fact's!" I am finger pointing as I have worked in social housing, drug and alcohol and a counselling partitioner. Thats why I say you shouldn't have that attitude towards those you are suppose to support they are your customers and should garner your respect. There are many pots of financial support that buys big screens tvs and such are you saying those who support those who struggle to support themselves through giving finance shouldn't because it makes you feel however you feel. I would sack you if you came to my business with that attitude, enough people feel useless with their lives meeting you might just tip them over the edge. | |||
