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A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
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"If he came over here and got involved with Reform UK, he would obviously get my support. To be fair, I couldn’t see him be aligned with any other UK political party. So I hope he does it. "
hed certanly sort some problems out finacially
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"If he came over here and got involved with Reform UK, he would obviously get my support. To be fair, I couldn’t see him be aligned with any other UK political party. So I hope he does it. hed certanly sort some problems out finacially "
We could definitely do with him as a party donor.  |
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"If he came over here and got involved with Reform UK, he would obviously get my support. To be fair, I couldn’t see him be aligned with any other UK political party. So I hope he does it. "
I'm not a fan of multi billionaires interfering with politics for their own gains.
Although I do agree. Reform are most aligned with his agenda of greed and narcissism. |
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"I’d definitely vote for him. Maybe he would actually get something done and take on the vested interests that are crippling the country.
Though didn’t Rachel Reeves found Tesla?"
As a side hustle from writing War and Peace. |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
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Musk is ultra woke though. Literally purchased a social media platform to tell people how to think and vote. |
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By *otMe66Man 2 days ago
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"If he came over here and got involved with Reform UK, he would obviously get my support. To be fair, I couldn’t see him be aligned with any other UK political party. So I hope he does it.
I'm not a fan of multi billionaires interfering with politics for their own gains.
Although I do agree. Reform are most aligned with his agenda of greed and narcissism."
Reform doesn’t seem to have policies explicitly promoting greed or narcissism. What have I missed? |
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Business pedigree aside I used to think he was a bit of a twat but having listened to him on various interviews he comes across as straightforward and basically says it as it is so for that alone I've warmed to his approach. |
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"Business pedigree aside I used to think he was a bit of a twat but having listened to him on various interviews he comes across as straightforward and basically says it as it is so for that alone I've warmed to his approach."
2nd highest ranking for charity donations in $millions
Rank Donor or donors
1 Bill Gates
$5,111
2 Elon Musk
$1,950
3 Michael Bloomberg
$1,700
4 Warren Buffett
$759
5 Jacklyn and Miguel Bezos
$711
6 John and Laura Arnold
$617
7 Ruth DeYoung Kohler II
$440
8 Sergey Brin
$411
9 Denny Sanford
$333
10 Alice Clark
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
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That’s the only 2 options, is it? Fanboy or jealous? |
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"I’d definitely vote for him. Maybe he would actually get something done and take on the vested interests that are crippling the country.
Though didn’t Rachel Reeves found Tesla?"
No, she didn’t found Tesla. She was head of R and D for 6 years though |
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"If he came over here and got involved with Reform UK, he would obviously get my support. To be fair, I couldn’t see him be aligned with any other UK political party. So I hope he does it.
I'm not a fan of multi billionaires interfering with politics for their own gains.
Although I do agree. Reform are most aligned with his agenda of greed and narcissism.
Reform doesn’t seem to have policies explicitly promoting greed or narcissism. What have I missed?"
You had it right at “reform doesn’t seem to have policies …” |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
Musk is ultra woke though. Literally purchased a social media platform to tell people how to think and vote."
Heh ? He is the anti woke. |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
That’s the only 2 options, is it? Fanboy or jealous? "
You can put whatever opinion you like Jimmy. I believe in free speech, like Elon but unlike Sir Kier. |
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By *otMe66Man 2 days ago
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"If he came over here and got involved with Reform UK, he would obviously get my support. To be fair, I couldn’t see him be aligned with any other UK political party. So I hope he does it.
I'm not a fan of multi billionaires interfering with politics for their own gains.
Although I do agree. Reform are most aligned with his agenda of greed and narcissism.
Reform doesn’t seem to have policies explicitly promoting greed or narcissism. What have I missed?
You had it right at “reform doesn’t seem to have policies …” "
They do have polices, although for some reason when people read them it changes their ability to think straight.
I think it is like playing a record backwards, you hear what you are told to hear  |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
Musk is ultra woke though. Literally purchased a social media platform to tell people how to think and vote.
Heh ? He is the anti woke."
Really?
One chap on here is 100% adamant that woke means people telling others how to think.
What's more woke than buying a social media platform especially to do that? |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
That’s the only 2 options, is it? Fanboy or jealous?
You can put whatever opinion you like Jimmy. I believe in free speech, like Elon but unlike Sir Kier."
If you genuinely believed in free speech, you wouldn’t table one of your two options as “bitter and twisted”, citing jealousy, you would he more balanced. |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
Musk is ultra woke though. Literally purchased a social media platform to tell people how to think and vote.
Heh ? He is the anti woke.
Really?
One chap on here is 100% adamant that woke means people telling others how to think.
What's more woke than buying a social media platform especially to do that?"
Fair point. In the interests of promoting “free speech” he controls speech. |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
Musk is ultra woke though. Literally purchased a social media platform to tell people how to think and vote.
Heh ? He is the anti woke.
Really?
One chap on here is 100% adamant that woke means people telling others how to think.
What's more woke than buying a social media platform especially to do that?
Fair point. In the interests of promoting “free speech” he controls speech. "
Are you on X Jimmy ? I'd like to be friends there, what's your handle? |
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I'd not welcome his involvement, as he appears to have highly question able taste and judgement and a dubious background. He should find what he's good at and stick with it, preferably out of public view |
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"I'd not welcome his involvement, as he appears to have highly question able taste and judgement and a dubious background. He should find what he's good at and stick with it, preferably out of public view "
some would say he has brilliant taste and judgement
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He reminds me of the perfect Bond villain although in reality, despite elements of poor personal judgement, I can't decide whether he is generally good or bad for the planet.
Perhaps when 007 confines him to another existence, we will know the truth.
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Very good businessman and a top achiever. Not sure if his politics though. He calls himself a free speech absolutist. I personally like the fact that he took down left wing censorship in Twitter. But he bowed down to pressure from the Turkish government to censor things, not something a free speech absolutist would do. |
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By *abioMan 2 days ago
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He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. |
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"But he bowed down to pressure from the Turkish government to censor things, not something a free speech absolutist would do."
How awful. An American having the temerity to obey the laws of the country he's operating in.
Presumably you think that he should have just imposed American values on the Turks, for their own good, whether they liked it or not. |
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By *abioMan 2 days ago
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"The more he engages in politics the more he destroys his brands
I think this trues for brand Musk"
Tesla is going to take the hit
Space X actually maybe now beyond the point his mouth can destroy it… barring some sort of disaster |
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"The more he engages in politics the more he destroys his brands
I think this trues for brand Musk
Tesla is going to take the hit
Space X actually maybe now beyond the point his mouth can destroy it… barring some sort of disaster "
“Tesla is going to take the hit”
“Trump is so going to jail”.
Should we bet the house on Tesla shares? |
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By *abioMan 2 days ago
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"But he bowed down to pressure from the Turkish government to censor things, not something a free speech absolutist would do.
How awful. An American having the temerity to obey the laws of the country he's operating in.
Presumably you think that he should have just imposed American values on the Turks, for their own good, whether they liked it or not."
That was one hell of a spin as to what happened in the Turkish situation .. can I employ you as a chemical Ali type spokesperson 
Elon bent over for fear of Erdogen….. |
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"The more he engages in politics the more he destroys his brands
I think this trues for brand Musk
Tesla is going to take the hit
Space X actually maybe now beyond the point his mouth can destroy it… barring some sort of disaster "
Oh Fabio, your predictions are wonderful!  |
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"The more he engages in politics the more he destroys his brands
I think this trues for brand Musk
Tesla is going to take the hit
Space X actually maybe now beyond the point his mouth can destroy it… barring some sort of disaster
“Tesla is going to take the hit”
“Trump is so going to jail”.
Should we bet the house on Tesla shares?"
Tesla just hit its second highest ever share price. |
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"But he bowed down to pressure from the Turkish government to censor things, not something a free speech absolutist would do.
How awful. An American having the temerity to obey the laws of the country he's operating in.
Presumably you think that he should have just imposed American values on the Turks, for their own good, whether they liked it or not."
But he did fight the Brazilian court and the EU when they ordered him to "improve" enforcements against "fake news". |
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. "
what part of southport were missinformation? |
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By *abioMan 2 days ago
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"The more he engages in politics the more he destroys his brands
I think this trues for brand Musk
Tesla is going to take the hit
Space X actually maybe now beyond the point his mouth can destroy it… barring some sort of disaster
“Tesla is going to take the hit”
“Trump is so going to jail”.
Should we bet the house on Tesla shares?"
Well if Trump is a man of his word…. 2 things are going to happen
1) the 60% Chinese tariffs will really affect the components in the cars (ps… it’s a lot.. about 40% of the car is Chinese)
2) the removal of the $7500 EV grant on new purchases ……
Unless we shouldn’t believe trump now?
Which would you like?
P.s do I live rent free in your head, or you just a myriad of pithy comments… |
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"But he bowed down to pressure from the Turkish government to censor things, not something a free speech absolutist would do.
How awful. An American having the temerity to obey the laws of the country he's operating in.
Presumably you think that he should have just imposed American values on the Turks, for their own good, whether they liked it or not.
But he did fight the Brazilian court and the EU when they ordered him to "improve" enforcements against "fake news". "
Also, the biggest enemy of free speech is the government itself. If he is going to take down stuff based on whatever the government says, he isn't an absolutist like says.
I am not saying what he did was wrong in itself. End of the day, it's a business and businesses have to respect local laws to survive. But that's not free speech absolutism. |
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By *abioMan 2 days ago
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. what part of southport were missinformation?"
You know… the whole “came in as an immigrant “ thing….
Well least he wasn’t like Farage, and thrown blame on Tate and Tommy |
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. what part of southport were missinformation?
You know… the whole “came in as an immigrant “ thing….
Well least he wasn’t like Farage, and thrown blame on Tate and Tommy "
really? The welsh christan kid? |
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By *ackal1Couple 2 days ago
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He’s destroying X with his free for all policy as its become hate filled apparently. I’m not a member so can’t verify.
Space x will thrive if Trump supports it and to be honest it’s very impressive .
Tesla got a head start but others are catching up . Not sure that will hurt him personally as he’s taken massive cash payments out,
I think he’s a bit off the wall and not to be trusted.
I wonder if he had paid tax how successful he would have been? See the link to see the stink of tax avoidance. Madness that this is allowed.
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax |
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. what part of southport were missinformation?
You know… the whole “came in as an immigrant “ thing….
Well least he wasn’t like Farage, and thrown blame on Tate and Tommy "
The rumour wasn't that he came in as an immigrant. The rumour was that he was a Muslim. Now that new information has come to light about the content he had, the left is trying to change the history and are saying that the rumour was that he is an immigrant. |
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"He’s destroying X with his free for all policy as its become hate filled apparently. I’m not a member so can’t verify.
Space x will thrive if Trump supports it and to be honest it’s very impressive .
Tesla got a head start but others are catching up . Not sure that will hurt him personally as he’s taken massive cash payments out,
I think he’s a bit off the wall and not to be trusted.
I wonder if he had paid tax how successful he would have been? See the link to see the stink of tax avoidance. Madness that this is allowed.
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax"
I don't know where they explain the "tax avoidance" part. It's well known that the ultra wealthy tend to have most of their wealth in investments. If the value of their investments grow, their wealth grows. They pay taxes only when they sell the investments in profit. People like Musk, Bezos are typically major shareholders in the companies they themselves run. They don't usually sell their shares unless they really need the cash.
These rules apply to you and me too. I have investments I have maintained for over a decade now. They have grown a lot. But I am not paying taxes unless I encash the profits. |
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. what part of southport were missinformation?
You know… the whole “came in as an immigrant “ thing….
Well least he wasn’t like Farage, and thrown blame on Tate and Tommy
The rumour wasn't that he came in as an immigrant. The rumour was that he was a Muslim. Now that new information has come to light about the content he had, the left is trying to change the history and are saying that the rumour was that he is an immigrant."
Musk personally did not spread either of those rumours. Its also clear now that the police and Govt did issue false information around the killings, a fact which underlines the importance of free speech outlets such as Twitter. |
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. what part of southport were missinformation?
You know… the whole “came in as an immigrant “ thing….
Well least he wasn’t like Farage, and thrown blame on Tate and Tommy
The rumour wasn't that he came in as an immigrant. The rumour was that he was a Muslim. Now that new information has come to light about the content he had, the left is trying to change the history and are saying that the rumour was that he is an immigrant.
Musk personally did not spread either of those rumours. Its also clear now that the police and Govt did issue false information around the killings, a fact which underlines the importance of free speech outlets such as Twitter."
Agreed. If people believe that the ones who created these rumours must be jailed, I hope they are happy sending Diane Abbott to prison, because she started some rumour about the Sasha Johnson shooting incident. |
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"He has a habit of thinking his speech is more important than everyone else’s….
In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. what part of southport were missinformation?
You know… the whole “came in as an immigrant “ thing….
Well least he wasn’t like Farage, and thrown blame on Tate and Tommy
The rumour wasn't that he came in as an immigrant. The rumour was that he was a Muslim. Now that new information has come to light about the content he had, the left is trying to change the history and are saying that the rumour was that he is an immigrant.
Musk personally did not spread either of those rumours. Its also clear now that the police and Govt did issue false information around the killings, a fact which underlines the importance of free speech outlets such as Twitter.
Agreed. If people believe that the ones who created these rumours must be jailed, I hope they are happy sending Diane Abbott to prison, because she started some rumour about the Sasha Johnson shooting incident."
Diane Abbot and David Lammy also spread some terrible lies about the Grenfell fire. |
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"He’s done well for himself in business.He’s smart intelligent and ambitious and I won’t take that away from him
All that doesn’t change the fact that he’s an absolute clown"
He dances like one. Yet to see a politician or business person not dance weirdly so he's in good company.
I'd like to see him do lollipop wardens job. |
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"A new poll has found the great man is more popular in the UK than Two Tier Kier Starmer. Although he can't become US President there is no legal reason he couldn't move over here and be an excellent PM.
Would you vote for him ?
Are you impressed by his extraordinary achievements in business, or bitter and twisted at his great wealth ?
That’s the only 2 options, is it? Fanboy or jealous?
You can put whatever opinion you like Jimmy. I believe in free speech, like Elon but unlike Sir Kier."
...only if he agrees with your free speech... |
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"The more he engages in politics the more he destroys his brands
Doubtful.
I’m far more likely to buy a Tesla than I was a year ago."
I’m less likely. Firstly, the bans on ICE’s has relaxed, secondly, other manufacturers are now producing far cheaper electric cars, and thirdly, Teslas look awful … boxy featureless lumps |
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In the last couple of months he has pissed off the Brazilians to the point they banned x, been part of the misinformation in the uk after the Southport murders…
And 3 days ago managed to piss off the Italian president….. "
The Financial Times reports that the UK will begin trialling Elon Musk’s Starlink technology in its first test of web-linked satellites to help meet the government’s ambition of providing ultrafast internet to all homes across the country
The first Starlink satellites will be deployed to provide connectivity to a few specific isolated sites, including a 12th-century abbey in the North York Moors National Park, and rescue operations in the Lake District and Snowdonia National Park, according to a government announcement on Wednesday.
The government has opted to use Starlink, a satellite constellation operated by the billionaire entrepreneur’s SpaceX company, instead of the British satellite broadband pioneer OneWeb |
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By *ackal1Couple 4 hours ago
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"He’s destroying X with his free for all policy as its become hate filled apparently. I’m not a member so can’t verify.
Space x will thrive if Trump supports it and to be honest it’s very impressive .
Tesla got a head start but others are catching up . Not sure that will hurt him personally as he’s taken massive cash payments out,
I think he’s a bit off the wall and not to be trusted.
I wonder if he had paid tax how successful he would have been? See the link to see the stink of tax avoidance. Madness that this is allowed.
https://www.propublica.org/article/the-secret-irs-files-trove-of-never-before-seen-records-reveal-how-the-wealthiest-avoid-income-tax
I don't know where they explain the "tax avoidance" part. It's well known that the ultra wealthy tend to have most of their wealth in investments. If the value of their investments grow, their wealth grows. They pay taxes only when they sell the investments in profit. People like Musk, Bezos are typically major shareholders in the companies they themselves run. They don't usually sell their shares unless they really need the cash.
These rules apply to you and me too. I have investments I have maintained for over a decade now. They have grown a lot. But I am not paying taxes unless I encash the profits."
If you are very wealthy and are paying standard tax rates then you need new accountants.
30years ago with own my at the time relatively small company I had access to the business investment scheme which involved sending the company's cash offshore only to bring it back which resulted in a tax rate of 10% .
Schemes have become far more sophisticated since then. Most of them legal.
The likes of Lord Bamford or other wealthy billionaires don’t establish offshore trusts for fun.
Jeremy Clarkson openly admitted buying land to avoid tax. Now you know why he’s leading the marches.
An interesting point specific to Musk. If he takes an actual paid role in government that allows him to cash as many shares as he likes without paying tax on them. It’s a compensatory perk of the US government system. But he’ll of course tell everyone he’s not taking the salary as it’s the right thing to do. The voters will think he’s an angel.
“But thanks to an obscure provision called Section 1043, Musk, as a federal employee, could defer paying the capital gains tax on roughly $299.9 billion of shares (SpaceX hasn’t disclosed an exact valuation).
Once the shares are cashed the money can be reinvested into “conflict-free” diversified funds or government bonds within 60 days. The tax is deferred until new assets are sold (and would essentially be wiped out after death).”
In addition wealthy billionaires such as Musk don’t need to cash shares they can borrow against them as individuals and then claim loses on those borrowings.
It’s fun being rich isn’t it. |
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