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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " 100% support you and any (peaceful) actions you take I'm order for your voices to be heard. It's disgraceful what's been done to you  | |||
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I love meat n veg. I can’t have it without a farmer. | |||
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"Sure but it’s not like things are utopian for farmers in France. I think in the UK we haven’t taken agriculture seriously enough whether that’s through investment, cracking down on pollution and ensuring crops don’t go to waste. But without the government taking steps to safeguard the industry the farmers should absolutely do what they can to bring them to the table otherwise there will be nothing on ours " The main issue British farmers have is we have such high standards and hoops to jump through that we cannot compete on the world market What pisses me off is we produce our beef to a great standard but then they allow other country’s beef to be imported that has been reared to half the standard we have produced ours to | |||
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"the european union money is missing" If we had a fair playing field to compete on the world stage then we wouldn’t need the help but the government puts such red tape that we cannot beat the price that country’s that don’t Have the red tape produce to | |||
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"Just out of interest, but what's the argument for farmers not to pay inheritance tax like everyone else? (And sorry if that's not what the protest is about - it's the only farmer story I'm aware of recently!)" Our gripe is that we are a business that needs a large amount of ground / barns ect and 98% of family farms are in personal names ( not In a company) so when the business is handed down we would now need to sell 40% of everything that my dad and grandad has built up to pay the tax It’s to course more land to be put On the market for investment company to use For carbon off set and tree planting ect We want to farm and produce food for the nation At the end of the day every one has payed tax all Their life inheritance tax is wrong It was brought in to pay for the First World War and once that was payed off it was supposed to be ended | |||
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"Just out of interest, but what's the argument for farmers not to pay inheritance tax like everyone else? (And sorry if that's not what the protest is about - it's the only farmer story I'm aware of recently!) Our gripe is that we are a business that needs a large amount of ground / barns ect and 98% of family farms are in personal names ( not In a company) so when the business is handed down we would now need to sell 40% of everything that my dad and grandad has built up to pay the tax It’s to course more land to be put On the market for investment company to use For carbon off set and tree planting ect We want to farm and produce food for the nation At the end of the day every one has payed tax all Their life inheritance tax is wrong It was brought in to pay for the First World War and once that was payed off it was supposed to be ended " It's 20%, I think (half the normal rate) and only on farms worth more than £1m. I read it would affect about 500 farms per year. I'm sure lots of people would prefer not to pay it (my grandparents included!), but I don't fully understand the exception argument. But I'm not from a rural community and sure you feel this very strongly, but I guess a line is always drawn somewhere. | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " Welcome to the normal unprotected world | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain " When did they say that? The first part of your comment? | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain When did they say that? The first part of your comment? " They haven't | |||
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"Farmers are essential to the UK but why did they support brexit when so many relied on exports to the other European countries?" They are important as are nurses doctors police etc Are they exempt from paying full inheritance tax if they are lucky enough to be in such a situation | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain " I'm fairly sure no-one's said we don't need farming and should be growing meat in labs... There's quite a lot of data on this. From the BBC: "There were a total of 462 inherited farms valued above £1m in 2021-22, according HMRC): - 345 valued between £1m and £2.5m - 80 at £2.5m to £5m - 37 above £5m There are 209,000 farms in the UK, it does seem like it only affects quite a small proportion. | |||
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"the european union money is missing" How did they cope before the EEC join up? | |||
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"Just out of interest, but what's the argument for farmers not to pay inheritance tax like everyone else? (And sorry if that's not what the protest is about - it's the only farmer story I'm aware of recently!) Our gripe is that we are a business that needs a large amount of ground / barns ect and 98% of family farms are in personal names ( not In a company) so when the business is handed down we would now need to sell 40% of everything that my dad and grandad has built up to pay the tax It’s to course more land to be put On the market for investment company to use For carbon off set and tree planting ect We want to farm and produce food for the nation At the end of the day every one has payed tax all Their life inheritance tax is wrong It was brought in to pay for the First World War and once that was payed off it was supposed to be ended It's 20%, I think (half the normal rate) and only on farms worth more than £1m. I read it would affect about 500 farms per year. I'm sure lots of people would prefer not to pay it (my grandparents included!), but I don't fully understand the exception argument. But I'm not from a rural community and sure you feel this very strongly, but I guess a line is always drawn somewhere." Wasn't income tax brought in to fight Napoleon? That war's ended, I think. | |||
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"Just out of interest, but what's the argument for farmers not to pay inheritance tax like everyone else? (And sorry if that's not what the protest is about - it's the only farmer story I'm aware of recently!) Our gripe is that we are a business that needs a large amount of ground / barns ect and 98% of family farms are in personal names ( not In a company) so when the business is handed down we would now need to sell 40% of everything that my dad and grandad has built up to pay the tax It’s to course more land to be put On the market for investment company to use For carbon off set and tree planting ect We want to farm and produce food for the nation At the end of the day every one has payed tax all Their life inheritance tax is wrong It was brought in to pay for the First World War and once that was payed off it was supposed to be ended It's 20%, I think (half the normal rate) and only on farms worth more than £1m. I read it would affect about 500 farms per year. I'm sure lots of people would prefer not to pay it (my grandparents included!), but I don't fully understand the exception argument. But I'm not from a rural community and sure you feel this very strongly, but I guess a line is always drawn somewhere. Wasn't income tax brought in to fight Napoleon? That war's ended, I think." Cool. Scrap it for everyone then! Result! | |||
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"I’m behind them until they start squirting manure - then I’m slightly off to the side with an umbrella and a nose peg! " Farmer Palmer from Viiz did just that! | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain I'm fairly sure no-one's said we don't need farming and should be growing meat in labs... There's quite a lot of data on this. From the BBC: "There were a total of 462 inherited farms valued above £1m in 2021-22, according HMRC): - 345 valued between £1m and £2.5m - 80 at £2.5m to £5m - 37 above £5m There are 209,000 farms in the UK, it does seem like it only affects quite a small proportion. " I accept the view of organisations who properly understand this, such as the NFU rather than the BBC. It feels like there’s a pile-on because of the likes of Clarkson - Labour can’t bear a flagwaver for farming like that. The reality is that £1m farms are bought by rich people playing farmer and looking for a pony paddock and a fancy cabbage patch. These will remain exempt. Viable farms are big, have hundreds of thousands of pounds of machinery and are well over the threshold. These are the farms who are a) important to the UK and, b) going to be shafted. Buy a 100 acres and a house for £1m, a tractor and combine for £200k, build a couple of barns, buy a plough, drill, pickup and a few other odds and sod’s and you’re quickly at £2.5m or more. Ditto with milking sheds etc. Those BBC stats don’t stand any kind of scrutiny. I for one will support the farmers’ protests every inch of the way. This is shithousery in the extreme. And that’s not even considering the environmental work farmers do, nor huge effort they put in for marginal financial gain. The nonsense is that Starmer would see food imported at great carbon expense rather than grow it here. That’s stupidity. For example, our grass fed beef has a low carbon impact compared to industrial farming in the Americas. It’s another ideological decision that makes no rational sense. The government needs to give their collective heads a wobble. | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain I'm fairly sure no-one's said we don't need farming and should be growing meat in labs... There's quite a lot of data on this. From the BBC: "There were a total of 462 inherited farms valued above £1m in 2021-22, according HMRC): - 345 valued between £1m and £2.5m - 80 at £2.5m to £5m - 37 above £5m There are 209,000 farms in the UK, it does seem like it only affects quite a small proportion. I accept the view of organisations who properly understand this, such as the NFU rather than the BBC. It feels like there’s a pile-on because of the likes of Clarkson - Labour can’t bear a flagwaver for farming like that. The reality is that £1m farms are bought by rich people playing farmer and looking for a pony paddock and a fancy cabbage patch. These will remain exempt. Viable farms are big, have hundreds of thousands of pounds of machinery and are well over the threshold. These are the farms who are a) important to the UK and, b) going to be shafted. Buy a 100 acres and a house for £1m, a tractor and combine for £200k, build a couple of barns, buy a plough, drill, pickup and a few other odds and sod’s and you’re quickly at £2.5m or more. Ditto with milking sheds etc. Those BBC stats don’t stand any kind of scrutiny. I for one will support the farmers’ protests every inch of the way. This is shithousery in the extreme. And that’s not even considering the environmental work farmers do, nor huge effort they put in for marginal financial gain. The nonsense is that Starmer would see food imported at great carbon expense rather than grow it here. That’s stupidity. For example, our grass fed beef has a low carbon impact compared to industrial farming in the Americas. It’s another ideological decision that makes no rational sense. The government needs to give their collective heads a wobble." It wasn't a view. They were just facts from HMRC. There are very few farms in the country that are valued at more than £1m. How will farms over £1m "remain exempt"? It's only those that will be affected. Any farm under that value won't! What's the argument for farmers to be exempt from a tax that others aren't? Should everyone with assets over £1m be exempt from inheritance tax or just farmers? | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain I'm fairly sure no-one's said we don't need farming and should be growing meat in labs... There's quite a lot of data on this. From the BBC: "There were a total of 462 inherited farms valued above £1m in 2021-22, according HMRC): - 345 valued between £1m and £2.5m - 80 at £2.5m to £5m - 37 above £5m There are 209,000 farms in the UK, it does seem like it only affects quite a small proportion. I accept the view of organisations who properly understand this, such as the NFU rather than the BBC. It feels like there’s a pile-on because of the likes of Clarkson - Labour can’t bear a flagwaver for farming like that. The reality is that £1m farms are bought by rich people playing farmer and looking for a pony paddock and a fancy cabbage patch. These will remain exempt. Viable farms are big, have hundreds of thousands of pounds of machinery and are well over the threshold. These are the farms who are a) important to the UK and, b) going to be shafted. Buy a 100 acres and a house for £1m, a tractor and combine for £200k, build a couple of barns, buy a plough, drill, pickup and a few other odds and sod’s and you’re quickly at £2.5m or more. Ditto with milking sheds etc. Those BBC stats don’t stand any kind of scrutiny. I for one will support the farmers’ protests every inch of the way. This is shithousery in the extreme. And that’s not even considering the environmental work farmers do, nor huge effort they put in for marginal financial gain. The nonsense is that Starmer would see food imported at great carbon expense rather than grow it here. That’s stupidity. For example, our grass fed beef has a low carbon impact compared to industrial farming in the Americas. It’s another ideological decision that makes no rational sense. The government needs to give their collective heads a wobble. It wasn't a view. They were just facts from HMRC. There are very few farms in the country that are valued at more than £1m. How will farms over £1m "remain exempt"? It's only those that will be affected. Any farm under that value won't! What's the argument for farmers to be exempt from a tax that others aren't? Should everyone with assets over £1m be exempt from inheritance tax or just farmers? " There are various farmers groups who disagree (listen to this morning’s Today on R4 for just one compelling argument). Once you factor in the necessary farm machinery/equipment, most viable farms are over £1m. Farmers are a special case. The UK needs farms. According to Sky, a typical farm would have to spend 159% of its profits for a decade to pay https://news.sky.com/story/typical-family-farm-would-have-to-spend-159-of-its-profits-for-a-decade-to-pay-inheritance-tax-says-rural-land-group-13252771 . Can you name another critical industry which is clobbered in the same way? (Aside from GPs and hospices which will be battered through employers’ NI contributions…) | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain I'm fairly sure no-one's said we don't need farming and should be growing meat in labs... There's quite a lot of data on this. From the BBC: "There were a total of 462 inherited farms valued above £1m in 2021-22, according HMRC): - 345 valued between £1m and £2.5m - 80 at £2.5m to £5m - 37 above £5m There are 209,000 farms in the UK, it does seem like it only affects quite a small proportion. I accept the view of organisations who properly understand this, such as the NFU rather than the BBC. It feels like there’s a pile-on because of the likes of Clarkson - Labour can’t bear a flagwaver for farming like that. The reality is that £1m farms are bought by rich people playing farmer and looking for a pony paddock and a fancy cabbage patch. These will remain exempt. Viable farms are big, have hundreds of thousands of pounds of machinery and are well over the threshold. These are the farms who are a) important to the UK and, b) going to be shafted. Buy a 100 acres and a house for £1m, a tractor and combine for £200k, build a couple of barns, buy a plough, drill, pickup and a few other odds and sod’s and you’re quickly at £2.5m or more. Ditto with milking sheds etc. Those BBC stats don’t stand any kind of scrutiny. I for one will support the farmers’ protests every inch of the way. This is shithousery in the extreme. And that’s not even considering the environmental work farmers do, nor huge effort they put in for marginal financial gain. The nonsense is that Starmer would see food imported at great carbon expense rather than grow it here. That’s stupidity. For example, our grass fed beef has a low carbon impact compared to industrial farming in the Americas. It’s another ideological decision that makes no rational sense. The government needs to give their collective heads a wobble. It wasn't a view. They were just facts from HMRC. There are very few farms in the country that are valued at more than £1m. How will farms over £1m "remain exempt"? It's only those that will be affected. Any farm under that value won't! What's the argument for farmers to be exempt from a tax that others aren't? Should everyone with assets over £1m be exempt from inheritance tax or just farmers? There are various farmers groups who disagree (listen to this morning’s Today on R4 for just one compelling argument). Once you factor in the necessary farm machinery/equipment, most viable farms are over £1m. Farmers are a special case. The UK needs farms. According to Sky, a typical farm would have to spend 159% of its profits for a decade to pay https://news.sky.com/story/typical-family-farm-would-have-to-spend-159-of-its-profits-for-a-decade-to-pay-inheritance-tax-says-rural-land-group-13252771 . Can you name another critical industry which is clobbered in the same way? (Aside from GPs and hospices which will be battered through employers’ NI contributions…)" It's no surprise that farmers' groups are opposed (as quoted in the Sky story). In much the same way TU or lobby groups try to protect the interests of their members. If we have inheritance tax writ large, I personally don't think it's unreasonable for farmers to pay it - at half the rate everyone else has to pay it. You and I will pay inheritance tax above £325,000 - they'll pay at £1m - which doesn't seem like a terrible outcome to me. I'm not trying to convince you - very happy to agree to disagree. | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain When did they say that? The first part of your comment? " On a interview with a presenter from gb news | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain When did they say that? The first part of your comment? On a interview with a presenter from gb news " You do realise that comment was made by a FORMER adviser to Tony Blair? Not even an MP, or anyone that’s even relevant? A comment that the PM has totally distanced himself from too. | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains you can tell what they want Every farmer I know would be effected We farm in Surrey so our land will be inflated as horse people will pay silly money for land I don’t know a farm that’s less than a million All we wanted to do was feed the nation But this government doesn’t want farming in Britain " I don't know. Like most I want cheep good food. I know you get what you pay for etc etc. More to the point could British farmers service without subsidy?, and could the British farmers feed the uk with out imports? | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " I support people’s rights to protest, just don’t break the law | |||
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"This ^^^^ Anyone asking for opinions before proceeding to make stuff up clearly isn't interested in truth or a fair discussion. As above, the tax isn't 40% as stated, it's 20% and can be paid over 10 years interest free. A couple can combine their allowances and pass on a farm and property up to £3million or £1.5 million for a single person The government haven't said we don't need farms because we can grow meat in a lab and import food. Absolutely no point in discussing anything with people who make stuff up to garner sympathy and influence people's thinking. The amount of threads on here that are full of this is depressing - as is the complete confidence of people making demonstrably untrue statements. "Well said | |||
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"I like family businesses and I am supportive of the protests. The direct outcome of this new tax will be that the farmland will eventually be owned by big corporations. The same people who supported the tax will then wonder how the evil corporate monopolies took over all of the farming business." Then you have every right to protest, just don’t block any roads | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " Completely behind the farmers | |||
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"Just out of interest, but what's the argument for farmers not to pay inheritance tax like everyone else? (And sorry if that's not what the protest is about - it's the only farmer story I'm aware of recently!)" Forced break-up of farms, making them economically unviable over time | |||
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"I like family businesses and I am supportive of the protests. The direct outcome of this new tax will be that the farmland will eventually be owned by big corporations. The same people who supported the tax will then wonder how the evil corporate monopolies took over all of the farming business. Then you have every right to protest, just don’t block any roads " be a shame if all the tractors broke down on london roads 😂 | |||
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"I like family businesses and I am supportive of the protests. The direct outcome of this new tax will be that the farmland will eventually be owned by big corporations. The same people who supported the tax will then wonder how the evil corporate monopolies took over all of the farming business. Then you have every right to protest, just don’t block any roads be a shame if all the tractors broke down on london roads 😂" Only for the farmers, they will be arrested and put in prison for breaking the law introduced by the previous government | |||
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"Just to note, don’t make any plans to cause disruption, that will also get you jailed " Except if you're a Hamas supporter of course. | |||
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"Just to note, don’t make any plans to cause disruption, that will also get you jailed Except if you're a Hamas supporter of course. "Fake news, however, be careful if you are going on the protest , be safe | |||
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"I like family businesses and I am supportive of the protests. The direct outcome of this new tax will be that the farmland will eventually be owned by big corporations. The same people who supported the tax will then wonder how the evil corporate monopolies took over all of the farming business. Then you have every right to protest, just don’t block any roads be a shame if all the tractors broke down on london roads 😂" Forgot did farming also have to switch to taxed fule.. | |||
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"I'm with farmers. Anybody against should try doing their job for a few months." It doesn’t affect all farmers, but i hope they protest in a peaceful and lawful manner | |||
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"This ^^^^ Anyone asking for opinions before proceeding to make stuff up clearly isn't interested in truth or a fair discussion. As above, the tax isn't 40% as stated, it's 20% and can be paid over 10 years interest free. A couple can combine their allowances and pass on a farm and property up to £3million or £1.5 million for a single person The government haven't said we don't need farms because we can grow meat in a lab and import food. Absolutely no point in discussing anything with people who make stuff up to garner sympathy and influence people's thinking. The amount of threads on here that are full of this is depressing - as is the complete confidence of people making demonstrably untrue statements. "Look up the interview with the labour mp and a gb news reporter They also went on to say we are going to do to the farmers what thatcher did to the miners | |||
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"When labour say we don’t need farming in Britain we can grow meat in labs and import grains. " What? Has anyone seen the stupid NET ZERO road map? Shipping will cease as will airfreight. How the hell can we get food brought in? The Channel tunnel will not cope. It's timer to embrace nuclear. | |||
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"Farmers not Starmers." Nice copy. | |||
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"Support farmers as this tax grab is nonsense - also stop carpeting the agricultural land with solar panels! Just hold out 5 years and Labour will be gone " Solar panels are made where exactly? Any släve labour involved? How do they get here and what are the recycling end of life options? | |||
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"Support farmers as this tax grab is nonsense - also stop carpeting the agricultural land with solar panels! Just hold out 5 years and Labour will be gone Solar panels are made where exactly? Any släve labour involved? How do they get here and what are the recycling end of life options?" China Probably By boat Most of it can be recycled | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " 100% supporting the farmers and estate manager's running the estates with sleeping owners | |||
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"I don't see how inheritance tax on farmers is helping the working people. Farmers are working people. How is taxing the future generation of farmers going to help the alleged blackhole of today? If Labour are doing their job properly there shouldn't be a blackhole by the time the next generation of farmers come along. Just goes to show Labour don't have a clue on how to run the country. They should abolish inheritance tax and help the working farmers, how would the politicians like a 20% pay cut." All people, working or not, potentially liable to inheritance tax on their estates at 40% Farmers are being told to pay 20% Politicians who lie on the CV enabling themselves into top well paid jobs, should definitely get a pay cut. | |||
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"I don't see how inheritance tax on farmers is helping the working people. Farmers are working people. How is taxing the future generation of farmers going to help the alleged blackhole of today? If Labour are doing their job properly there shouldn't be a blackhole by the time the next generation of farmers come along. Just goes to show Labour don't have a clue on how to run the country. They should abolish inheritance tax and help the working farmers, how would the politicians like a 20% pay cut." It's a ruse by Labour to break up family farms driven by ideological envy. They have a fight on their hands now. Labour might get away with alienating pensioners but farmers wield more clout | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " All the way. We need farmers we don't need politicians. | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it All the way. We need farmers we don't need politicians. " Every farm estate will pay 20%, every generation, does seem punitive | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. " Spot on, only experience they have is university and zero work experience | |||
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"the woke rent-a-mob of millionaires out yesterday grumbling because they have to pay a few quid .... no fucks given ... shut up and pay "They are a bunch of snowflakes, what’s the saying, if you don’t like it here then live somewhere else | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. " How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? | |||
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"Just to note, don’t make any plans to cause disruption, that will also get you jailed " Protests are legal. You understand that, right? If this start attacking people and attacking police, then that’s different. I’m sure they will protest peacefully, as the law allows | |||
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"Just to note, don’t make any plans to cause disruption, that will also get you jailed Protests are legal. You understand that, right? If this start attacking people and attacking police, then that’s different. I’m sure they will protest peacefully, as the law allows " You can’t block roads are cause disruption either | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? " The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … " So that’s zero | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. " It's insane how UK and many European countries are dumping agriculture. Sure they can argue to be more productive in other areas and import food for cheap. But one would have thought they recently learned a lesson or two about how depending on other countries for fundamental needs like energy can fuck them up because of geopolitics. | |||
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"Just to note, don’t make any plans to cause disruption, that will also get you jailed Protests are legal. You understand that, right? If this start attacking people and attacking police, then that’s different. I’m sure they will protest peacefully, as the law allows You can’t block roads are cause disruption either " A very simplistic interpretation of the legislation. If farmers march or drive peacefully, no problem. If their deliberately block key routes and refuse to move, problem. | |||
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"Farming is a business where you need land to operate. Agricultural land values have increased from £3k acre in 2000, to nearer £8-10k now. An easy tax target. The result can only be selling land to pay the tax, as any research will show farm profits are not high. Splitting up farmland for equestrian use is very common. As for farm start ups, farming is not popular with young people, and the industry is facing a talent drought. " How can they be struggling when they have had 14 years of Tory rule and the Brexit they voted for | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero " So now is the time to discuss and resolve, before the policy does massive damage to our farming industry. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero So now is the time to discuss and resolve, before the policy does massive damage to our farming industry. " It’s just project fear, the farmers should be raking it in anyway after 14 years if the tories and Brexit | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero " Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero So now is the time to discuss and resolve, before the policy does massive damage to our farming industry. It’s just project fear, the farmers should be raking it in anyway after 14 years if the tories and Brexit " Project fear? Explain. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero So now is the time to discuss and resolve, before the policy does massive damage to our farming industry. It’s just project fear, the farmers should be raking it in anyway after 14 years if the tories and Brexit Project fear? Explain. " Yes, do you remember before the 2016 referendum, people stating that Brexit would cause food shortages etc , the same is happening now | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. " Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. | |||
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"Farming is a business where you need land to operate. Agricultural land values have increased from £3k acre in 2000, to nearer £8-10k now. An easy tax target. The result can only be selling land to pay the tax, as any research will show farm profits are not high. Splitting up farmland for equestrian use is very common. As for farm start ups, farming is not popular with young people, and the industry is facing a talent drought. How can they be struggling when they have had 14 years of Tory rule and the Brexit they voted for " Still pointing at the tories. Labour are in charge, as you like reminding us, and that means that they are fully accountable. This policy will damage the farming community unless changed | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. " The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 | |||
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"Farming is a business where you need land to operate. Agricultural land values have increased from £3k acre in 2000, to nearer £8-10k now. An easy tax target. The result can only be selling land to pay the tax, as any research will show farm profits are not high. Splitting up farmland for equestrian use is very common. As for farm start ups, farming is not popular with young people, and the industry is facing a talent drought. How can they be struggling when they have had 14 years of Tory rule and the Brexit they voted for Still pointing at the tories. Labour are in charge, as you like reminding us, and that means that they are fully accountable. This policy will damage the farming community unless changed " If they can’t make farming pay sell it to someone who can | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 " That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. " Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years " Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists " You don’t know how gifting works? Seriously? | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? " Seriously? I don't think even the Finance Bill with budget changes has been voted on yet. These things will take years to feel the impact, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success " If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists You don’t know how gifting works? Seriously? " Neither do you , seriously | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities " … and he deflects again instead of answering the question … | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists You don’t know how gifting works? Seriously? Neither do you , seriously " As an accountant myself, yes I know how gifting works. Labour may well remove that option, as part of their future anti-success tax grabs. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities … and he deflects again instead of answering the question … " As is my wont | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists You don’t know how gifting works? Seriously? Neither do you , seriously As an accountant myself, yes I know how gifting works. Labour may well remove that option, as part of their future anti-success tax grabs. " If it’s that easy to do and is legal then what’s the problem? Let the farmers do it | |||
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"things will just be more similar to how it was prior to 1984 when the sky didn't fall in and we still had things like ancient hedgerows, woodland, a more diverse foodcrop and small family farms abounded without being forced to rent land at stupidly large costs. "Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? Seriously? I don't think even the Finance Bill with budget changes has been voted on yet. These things will take years to feel the impact, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned." Exactly. It’s not lawyers yet and farmers haven’t died yet and incited the tax bills, so our friend thinks that proves there is no problem. | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists You don’t know how gifting works? Seriously? Neither do you , seriously As an accountant myself, yes I know how gifting works. Labour may well remove that option, as part of their future anti-success tax grabs. If it’s that easy to do and is legal then what’s the problem? Let the farmers do it " … and the tax raised is then zero!!!! Great policy that … | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? Seriously? I don't think even the Finance Bill with budget changes has been voted on yet. These things will take years to feel the impact, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned. Exactly. It’s not lawyers yet and farmers haven’t died yet and incited the tax bills, so our friend thinks that proves there is no problem. " Why dont they all just use ‘gifting ‘ | |||
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"It is quite possible that the policy will bring in no extra tax. If the owners of large farms use tax advisers to gift farm ownership, then next to no tax will be raised, and the only beneficiaries will be tax consultants. All the hallmarks of a poor policy. Let them try, labour will just shut that loophole, if it even exists You don’t know how gifting works? Seriously? Neither do you , seriously As an accountant myself, yes I know how gifting works. Labour may well remove that option, as part of their future anti-success tax grabs. If it’s that easy to do and is legal then what’s the problem? Let the farmers do it … and the tax raised is then zero!!!! Great policy that … " Then why are some farmers getting hysterical, you should give them your advice pro bono | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities … and he deflects again instead of answering the question … As is my wont " … if you can’t explain your own ideas, fair enough. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical " it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities … and he deflects again instead of answering the question … As is my wont … if you can’t explain your own ideas, fair enough. " I don’t need to, it’s already been explained, if you cant accept that then that’s fair enough | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? Seriously? I don't think even the Finance Bill with budget changes has been voted on yet. These things will take years to feel the impact, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned. Exactly. It’s not lawyers yet and farmers haven’t died yet and incited the tax bills, so our friend thinks that proves there is no problem. Why dont they all just use ‘gifting ‘ "They might, rendering the policy a complete ware of time. Poor policy, anti-success. Not thought through. | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? Seriously? I don't think even the Finance Bill with budget changes has been voted on yet. These things will take years to feel the impact, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned. Exactly. It’s not lawyers yet and farmers haven’t died yet and incited the tax bills, so our friend thinks that proves there is no problem. Why dont they all just use ‘gifting ‘
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities … and he deflects again instead of answering the question … As is my wont … if you can’t explain your own ideas, fair enough. I don’t need to, it’s already been explained, if you cant accept that then that’s fair enough " You ducked the same question 3 times. You tied yourself in a knot, claiming the largest farms are also the ones that are poorest run, an outcome that defies logic | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? So that’s zero The policy will impact farming families in the future, as farmers die. Not every farmer has died since the budget … So that’s zero Are you suggesting that zero farms will be affected? Or that the policy isn’t damaging because the damage hasn’t fully materialised yet? Very confused thinking. Very few farms will be affected, only those that are poorly run. The largest farms are the ones that are poorly run? 😂 That’s project fear again, let’s wait a few years Deflection! You said the one farms affected are those that are poorly run. The only farms affected are the largest ones . How did they become the largest farms if they are so poorly run? It’s the exact opposite. Labour punishing success If they can’t afford the tax then sell it to someone who can, farms are not charities … and he deflects again instead of answering the question … As is my wont … if you can’t explain your own ideas, fair enough. I don’t need to, it’s already been explained, if you cant accept that then that’s fair enough You ducked the same question 3 times. You tied yourself in a knot, claiming the largest farms are also the ones that are poorest run, an outcome that defies logic " If you say so, you are on here complaining about a tax policy that you have admitted that is easy to mitigate by using gifting? You should inform the protesting farmers asap | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, " there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. " These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. " And how would they pay? The only way would be to sell farm land, reducing efficiency levels, which would reduce profits and tax. Net effect: zero additional income and less efficient farms. It’s a poorly thought-out policy that attacks success | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. And how would they pay? The only way would be to sell farm land, reducing efficiency levels, which would reduce profits and tax. Net effect: zero additional income and less efficient farms. It’s a poorly thought-out policy that attacks success " Only the strongest will survive, just like any other business, | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop " Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news " Ok, 100k | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news " If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop " All farmers drive brand new range rovers! 😂 😂 | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. And how would they pay? The only way would be to sell farm land, reducing efficiency levels, which would reduce profits and tax. Net effect: zero additional income and less efficient farms. It’s a poorly thought-out policy that attacks success " a succesful farm will have liquidity so there would be no need to sell land especially seeing as how the threshold is so high at 3 million and the potential for 50% relief. also a successful farm would list livestock as either inventory or asset whichever is most financially favourable to them, so there's further potential to reduce liability there too, on top of whats been previously pointed out. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K " The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k " a farmer would undoubtedly reclaim the 20% vat on a 100k range rover along with some depreciation over the next 4 years | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy" oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!  | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy" Yes, must be seen to be hammering the rich, or those perceived to be rich. | |||
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"I do have sympathy for the farmers , especially after they were shafted by Brexit." And now it's: "How can they be struggling when they have had 14 years of Tory rule and the Brexit they voted for" There's no point debating with someone that doesn't know his own mind. | |||
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"He's at it again! First it was:I do have sympathy for the farmers , especially after they were shafted by Brexit. And now it's: How can they be struggling when they have had 14 years of Tory rule and the Brexit they voted for There's no point debating with someone that doesn't know his own mind." It’s called see things from all angles, both can be true | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy" Fairness isn’t envy, and labour are not socialist, they are the government democratically voted into power by the electorate, delivering for the people | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k " Range rover sport, £82k, shop around | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again! " | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy Yes, must be seen to be hammering the rich, or those perceived to be rich. " if by rich you mean farmers then with this light approach to IHT then they're clearly not being hammered as already proven. | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again! "Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern... The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome. Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies. Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience. Bravo. | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!
Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern...
The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome.
Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies.
Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience.
Bravo."More project fear, I heard the same in 2016 | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!
Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern...
The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome.
Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies.
Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience.
Bravo."we've already proved on this thread that what you've just posted there is idealogical garbage | |||
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"He's at it again! First it was:I do have sympathy for the farmers , especially after they were shafted by Brexit. And now it's: How can they be struggling when they have had 14 years of Tory rule and the Brexit they voted for There's no point debating with someone that doesn't know his own mind." I’ve asked him several direct questions about his posts and he just deflects every time. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k Range rover sport, £82k, shop around " Different car, mate! That’s like making a claim about the cost of a 5 series and giving the price of a 3 series as proof. Completely different car | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!
Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern...
The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome.
Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies.
Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience.
Bravo.
we've already proved on this thread that what you've just posted there is idealogical garbage "Exactly, and it’s only shared by a small minority of zealots | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k Range rover sport, £82k, shop around Different car, mate! That’s like making a claim about the cost of a 5 series and giving the price of a 3 series as proof. Completely different car " Ah well, I bow down to your superior knowledge, | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy Yes, must be seen to be hammering the rich, or those perceived to be rich. if by rich you mean farmers then with this light approach to IHT then they're clearly not being hammered as already proven. "I said “must be seen to he hammering the rich, or those perceived to he rich”. I didn’t mention the effectiveness of the policies. Clobbering independent schools is one example, pretending that every independent school is like Eton or Harrow. And attacking “rich” farmers is another piece of optics. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k Range rover sport, £82k, shop around Different car, mate! That’s like making a claim about the cost of a 5 series and giving the price of a 3 series as proof. Completely different car Ah well, I bow down to your superior knowledge, " Thanks. … and no, not all farmers are driving brand new range rovers. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k Range rover sport, £82k, shop around Different car, mate! That’s like making a claim about the cost of a 5 series and giving the price of a 3 series as proof. Completely different car Ah well, I bow down to your superior knowledge, Thanks. … and no, not all farmers are driving brand new range rovers. " Correct, some drive brand new land rovers | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!
Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern...
The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome.
Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies.
Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience.
Bravo.
we've already proved on this thread that what you've just posted there is idealogical garbage "I’m not here to read through every post in a thread like this. Claiming to have proven my point as ‘ideological garbage’ reinforces my view. | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!
Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern...
The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome.
Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies.
Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience.
Bravo.
we've already proved on this thread that what you've just posted there is idealogical garbage
I’m not here to read through every post in a thread like this. Claiming to have proven my point as ‘ideological garbage’ reinforces my view."It is ideological garbage and it’s a small minority view | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k Range rover sport, £82k, shop around Different car, mate! That’s like making a claim about the cost of a 5 series and giving the price of a 3 series as proof. Completely different car Ah well, I bow down to your superior knowledge, Thanks. … and no, not all farmers are driving brand new range rovers. Correct, some drive brand new land rovers " All the farmers in Manchester drive brand new cars? Fair enough . Around here, they don’t. | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy Yes, must be seen to be hammering the rich, or those perceived to be rich. if by rich you mean farmers then with this light approach to IHT then they're clearly not being hammered as already proven.
I said “must be seen to he hammering the rich, or those perceived to he rich”. I didn’t mention the effectiveness of the policies.
Clobbering independent schools is one example, pretending that every independent school is like Eton or Harrow.
And attacking “rich” farmers is another piece of optics. "farmers who are not 'rich' as you put it will be below the threshold and won't be affected. this is a storm in a right wing tea cup | |||
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" I’m not here to read through every post in a thread like this. Claiming to have proven my point as ‘ideological garbage’ reinforces my view." 🤣 | |||
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"I can see how easy it must be for the labour party to shape policy that feeds the socialist penchant for envy oh here we go with the tory envy again, while their second face grumbles about public sector wages and pensions lol conservative zealotry strikes again!
Confusing tory envy with legitimate concern...
The real issue isn’t public sector pay rises but the lack of effective management and proper negotiation. Who would be so clueless as to award pay rises of such magnitude without a bilateral agreement? What a ridiculous outcome.
Going back to the farmers, many farmers pass on their farms and it is a true family run business. Many will now see this as an expense that will force them to shut the business, leaving us further exposed to foreign markets for our food supplies.
Short sighted policies for the sake of immediate appeal to labour socialists, leaving longterm consequences that will undermine our food security and economic resilience.
Bravo.
we've already proved on this thread that what you've just posted there is idealogical garbage
I’m not here to read through every post in a thread like this. Claiming to have proven my point as ‘ideological garbage’ reinforces my view.
It is ideological garbage and it’s a small minority view "Among socialists whose main concern is tearing everything down that could be independently successful, I would agree with you. | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. These farmers are taking the piss, it no wonder they all drive around in brand new land and ranger rovers at 80K a pop Please tell me where I can buy a brand new Range Rover for 80 grand. There great news If you want to be pedantic a new Range Rover sport is £82 K The cheapest new Range Rover starts at over 100k Range rover sport, £82k, shop around Different car, mate! That’s like making a claim about the cost of a 5 series and giving the price of a 3 series as proof. Completely different car Ah well, I bow down to your superior knowledge, Thanks. … and no, not all farmers are driving brand new range rovers. Correct, some drive brand new land rovers All the farmers in Manchester drive brand new cars? Fair enough . Around here, they don’t. " They might have been brand new when they bought them  | |||
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"Just out of curiosity how many of you are behind the farmers on this one Yes I am a farmer and yes I feel screwed over on this one But what’s the non farmers thoughts on it " 100% behind. | |||
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"I hope the UK supports it's hard-working farmers and rejects this socialist claptrap" That debate was decided at the last election | |||
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"I hope the UK supports it's hard-working farmers and rejects this socialist claptrap That debate was decided at the last election " Not really, these stealth taxes on the elderly and farmers were concealed. In any case, Labour will be out for a few more decades come the next election. | |||
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"I hope the UK supports it's hard-working farmers and rejects this socialist claptrap That debate was decided at the last election Not really, these stealth taxes on the elderly and farmers were concealed. In any case, Labour will be out for a few more decades come the next election." In your opinion | |||
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"I hope the UK supports it's hard-working farmers and rejects this socialist claptrap That debate was decided at the last election Not really, these stealth taxes on the elderly and farmers were concealed. In any case, Labour will be out for a few more decades come the next election. In your opinion " In the majority of the UKs opinion Even those who voted Labour in, are sickened and refuse to vote for Labour again Go check the polls | |||
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"i wouldn't be surprised if the yaxley lennon, farage, patriotic alternative, griffin and associated far right internet extremists such as paul thorpe are involved in this millionaires rent-a-mob festival on tuesday ... let's see what happens" I'm going...and I'm definitely working class..done and seen nothing but hard work all my like and with my parents.. grandfather bought this farm for £900 in 1910, built a new house afterwards.. Instead of the mud walled cottage.. now with inflation and the value of property..it's all worth a few million..but the return from farming the land has never been so low in real terms... Just look at the ineufficientcy of all nationalised industry's etc.. try that in farming and you will be starving ,I can promise you | |||
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" Just look at the ineufficientcy of all nationalised industry's etc.. try that in farming and you will be starving ,I can promise you " 🤣 | |||
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"The whole inheritance tax is a joke You work all your life to buy something with money that you pay tax on Through time it gains a value and when you die the government wants to tax you in your grave Unless you are a certain criteria Duke of Westminster, his son inherited billions not one penny in tax King Charlie ?? Much did he pay ?? Nothing If I die tomorrow without family or a will Charlie gets it If I win the lottery tomorrow I can’t even give family money with having to pay tax ? We as working clas people get most of everything we earn taking off us in some kind of tax It doesn’t matter who you vote for they gonna screw you and not in a good way!! " you won't notice or care ... you'll be dead, so don't sweat it dude | |||
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"Just out of interest, but what's the argument for farmers not to pay inheritance tax like everyone else? (And sorry if that's not what the protest is about - it's the only farmer story I'm aware of recently!)" 94% of the population pay no death tax, though it should be 100%, what is this “like everyone else”? | |||
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"Exactly, this sudden sympathy for farmers that have to pay tax like everyone else is hysterical it's not like everybody else though. they pay half the rate of iht on estates worth in excess of 3 million and get 10 years to pay it off. True, there's also the potential for 50% business relief on land, buildings and machinery reducing the liability further. " Nope, the cap applies to APR and BPR combined | |||
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"As they say "any society is just 3 missed meals away from anarchy". Labour's dabbling with farmers and land ownership is naïve and a recipe for disaster for the UK. We have unskilled amateur politicians making policy changes on things they don't understand. How any farms have stopped farming since the budget? Seriously? I don't think even the Finance Bill with budget changes has been voted on yet. These things will take years to feel the impact, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned. Exactly. It’s not lawyers yet and farmers haven’t died yet and incited the tax bills, so our friend thinks that proves there is no problem. Why dont they all just use ‘gifting ‘ "Gifting will make the tax raid mostly pointless… but there are cruel twists, there are farmers in their 80’s and 90’s who don’t have the time or other income provision to be able to gift now. Gifting is all well and good if you are reaching retirement age but death tax cruelly hurts families who loose a loved one too early. Insurance can help but it’s expensive (and premiums are taxed). Bin death taxes for all | |||
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" Nope, the cap applies to APR and BPR combined" i've read the policy paper and it clearly states that the 50% relief will apply above the threshold regarding apr and bpr .... so no, luckily for you, you are quite wrong there which is great news you'll agree | |||
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