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"Hamas will never surrender They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. " Yes, you are probably right. So perhaps we should start kicking the Hamas leaders in their air-conditioned hotels in Quatar and not the IDF? | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it." If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players." Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. " I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. | |||
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"Hamas will never surrender They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. " They won't surrender because they don't give a rats about non combatants. | |||
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"You vastly underestimate the power of religious ideologies. From their perspective, all these deaths aren't really bad because they are done for a "good cause" and they will all reach heaven. " Good point, so they, I truth, do not give a damn about the deaths so long as the IDF is blamed and Israel ostracised. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there." On what do you base that turgid critical statement? | |||
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"You vastly underestimate the power of religious ideologies. From their perspective, all these deaths aren't really bad because they are done for a "good cause" and they will all reach heaven. Good point, so they, I truth, do not give a damn about the deaths so long as the IDF is blamed and Israel ostracised. " Why do you say that? Mrs x | |||
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"You vastly underestimate the power of religious ideologies. From their perspective, all these deaths aren't really bad because they are done for a "good cause" and they will all reach heaven. Good point, so they, I truth, do not give a damn about the deaths so long as the IDF is blamed and Israel ostracised. Why do you say that? Mrs x" Sorry misread your post, Mrs x | |||
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"You vastly underestimate the power of religious ideologies. From their perspective, all these deaths aren't really bad because they are done for a "good cause" and they will all reach heaven. " This You can't expect logic from people fighting in the name of ancient desert gods | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? " 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end." Not sure I understand what you are saying, AIPAC is a lobby group. Mrs x | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end.Not sure I understand what you are saying, AIPAC is a lobby group. Mrs x" Stop being naive, a lobby group that funds many US politians election campaigns. Where do you think these politicians allegiances lie. From Politico website cut and paste "The American Israel Public Affairs Committee has become a fundraising juggernaut in recent years, raising more money for candidates than any similar organization this cycle as part of its mission to back candidates who support Israel. It’s the rare political organization that still garners support from Republican and Democratic donors while supporting candidates from both parties. But its primary focus has been leveraging its weight in competitive Democratic primaries, spending millions to boost moderates over progressives who have been critical of Israel." | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated " Didn't you start another thread saying exactly this - another thread that is still active? What's your goal here? | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated " German still carrying guilt, 85 years after they murdered six million Jews, equivalent to about 75% of Israel’s population today. Dwarfs anything Hamas and the islams could do today. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end.Not sure I understand what you are saying, AIPAC is a lobby group. Mrs x Stop being naive, a lobby group that funds many US politians election campaigns. Where do you think these politicians allegiances lie. From Politico website cut and paste "The American Israel Public Affairs Committee has become a fundraising juggernaut in recent years, raising more money for candidates than any similar organization this cycle as part of its mission to back candidates who support Israel. It’s the rare political organization that still garners support from Republican and Democratic donors while supporting candidates from both parties. But its primary focus has been leveraging its weight in competitive Democratic primaries, spending millions to boost moderates over progressives who have been critical of Israel."" There are equivalent lobby groups for Islamists aims, which pay millions annually to promote their agendas . What about those that support, business, pharmaceuticals and petrol chemicals, all of which pay significantly more funds to lobby their interests. This is not unique to AIPAC, they all do it, stop being niave and misinformed. Mrs x | |||
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"Hamas will never surrender They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. They won't surrender because they don't give a rats about non combatants. " ...neither does Israel apparently... | |||
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"Hamas will never surrender They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. " Anyone suggesting that hamas “surrender” doesn’t understand who or what they are | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end." Why, with Hamas surrendering, would the USA under "Mr Peacemaker" Trump, let the IDF continue? It is unthinkable. There are just over 15 million Jews in the whole world. There are 3.1 Billion Muslims. Even Netanyahu does not want them to be given an excuse to all attack Israel because it set about a proper genocide of muslims. Apart from WW3 it would be the end of the Jewish people. | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated " "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." If you stopped and questioned the rioters and asked why they are doing this they would have virtually no facts to back up their actions. Just TicTok, X and facepage propaganda slogans. "From the river to the sea blah blah blah" | |||
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"Hamas will never surrender They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Anyone suggesting that hamas “surrender” doesn’t understand who or what they are " Anyone suggesting, that anyone suggesting that Hamas "surrender" doesn't understand the situation, is assuming a level of ignorance on their part without justification. Most people, who are awake in this world to the Gaza situation, know what they are and what their aims are. The question was originally, because Hamas have lost the war, if they care about their people, why not surrender? Simple really. We have some good ideas above. | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated " What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender" so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children! | |||
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"Hamas will never surrender They have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Anyone suggesting that hamas “surrender” doesn’t understand who or what they are Anyone suggesting, that anyone suggesting that Hamas "surrender" doesn't understand the situation, is assuming a level of ignorance on their part without justification. Most people, who are awake in this world to the Gaza situation, know what they are and what their aims are. The question was originally, because Hamas have lost the war, if they care about their people, why not surrender? Simple really. We have some good ideas above." Sorry mate, I got a bit lost in your answer there, the wording got very confusing. But it doesn’t matter what “ideas” people on here have, there is no way hamas will ever “surrender”. | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children!" I think the comment was referring to Hamas not the palestinians as a whole group of people | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened " Were you there? | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children!" Let's not forget who "Hamas" actually are. They are Palestinian citizens. They are the grandfathers, fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers and sons of those they are causing death and misery to. If they won't surrender to cease the suffering of their own women and children, they're not likely to for any other reason. They are scum. | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there?" No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media " Many media outlets are now reporting that the attacks on Jewish people, including football fans, were pre-planned after messages were found on Telegram from a few days previous to the attacks. | |||
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"You can't defeat an ideology. I'm not sure what Hamas real intentions were on 07/11/23 but the fact is, worldwide sympathy for the Palestinian cause has never been stronger." Bullshit. Only the tree hugging lefties support both Palestinians and Hamas, The sooner Israel eradicates Hamas the better. The World will be a far better place without Hamas. All UK pro Palestine marches should be banned. | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children! Let's not forget who "Hamas" actually are. They are Palestinian citizens. They are the grandfathers, fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers and sons of those they are causing death and misery to. If they won't surrender to cease the suffering of their own women and children, they're not likely to for any other reason. They are scum." Well said, totally agree.  | |||
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"You can't defeat an ideology. I'm not sure what Hamas real intentions were on 07/11/23 but the fact is, worldwide sympathy for the Palestinian cause has never been stronger. Bullshit. Only the tree hugging lefties support both Palestinians and Hamas, The sooner Israel eradicates Hamas the better. The World will be a far better place without Hamas. All UK pro Palestine marches should be banned. " At the last count, Israel said it had killed 15,000 Hamas fighters, from the pre war estimated numbers of 50-60,000 This will never go away. Cue the retaliatory suicide bombers in the years to come. | |||
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"This will only ever end when one of the sides are eradicated. And frankly only one side has the technology to do that. " Hamas won’t be short of recruits with 30,000 women and children killed. Another 13 children killed today. | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children! Let's not forget who "Hamas" actually are. They are Palestinian citizens. They are the grandfathers, fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers and sons of those they are causing death and misery to. If they won't surrender to cease the suffering of their own women and children, they're not likely to for any other reason. They are scum." They were cheering in the streets on 7 Oct 23 when Israeli women being being butchered by the Islamic savages. | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media " Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end.Not sure I understand what you are saying, AIPAC is a lobby group. Mrs x Stop being naive, a lobby group that funds many US politians election campaigns. Where do you think these politicians allegiances lie. From Politico website cut and paste "The American Israel Public Affairs Committee has become a fundraising juggernaut in recent years, raising more money for candidates than any similar organization this cycle as part of its mission to back candidates who support Israel. It’s the rare political organization that still garners support from Republican and Democratic donors while supporting candidates from both parties. But its primary focus has been leveraging its weight in competitive Democratic primaries, spending millions to boost moderates over progressives who have been critical of Israel."There are equivalent lobby groups for Islamists aims, which pay millions annually to promote their agendas . What about those that support, business, pharmaceuticals and petrol chemicals, all of which pay significantly more funds to lobby their interests. This is not unique to AIPAC, they all do it, stop being niave and misinformed. Mrs x" https://youtu.be/74ZA-GdeQP4?si=4GPpKlaj4d7GQnkn | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end. Why, with Hamas surrendering, would the USA under "Mr Peacemaker" Trump, let the IDF continue? It is unthinkable. There are just over 15 million Jews in the whole world. There are 3.1 Billion Muslims. Even Netanyahu does not want them to be given an excuse to all attack Israel because it set about a proper genocide of muslims. Apart from WW3 it would be the end of the Jewish people. " 1. Those 3.1 Billion Muslims are not one homogeneous group who has one religious or political aim. All over the Muslim world they are involved in conflicts with each other. The largest and main one being Sunni v Shia. 2. Though most people like to portray the conflict has a religious conflict. It is really a land dispute conflict about colonisation and resistance. Unfortunately bad actors on both sides, have chosen to portray and have been successful in portraying it in this light. | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end.Not sure I understand what you are saying, AIPAC is a lobby group. Mrs x Stop being naive, a lobby group that funds many US politians election campaigns. Where do you think these politicians allegiances lie. From Politico website cut and paste "The American Israel Public Affairs Committee has become a fundraising juggernaut in recent years, raising more money for candidates than any similar organization this cycle as part of its mission to back candidates who support Israel. It’s the rare political organization that still garners support from Republican and Democratic donors while supporting candidates from both parties. But its primary focus has been leveraging its weight in competitive Democratic primaries, spending millions to boost moderates over progressives who have been critical of Israel."There are equivalent lobby groups for Islamists aims, which pay millions annually to promote their agendas . What about those that support, business, pharmaceuticals and petrol chemicals, all of which pay significantly more funds to lobby their interests. This is not unique to AIPAC, they all do it, stop being niave and misinformed. Mrs x https://youtu.be/74ZA-GdeQP4?si=4GPpKlaj4d7GQnkn" And your point is? Mrs x | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it. If they cared about their people, they would surrender. However their ideology puts the eradication of Israel above all else. Perhaps they will eventually, but not until the ideologues are all gone. An alternative needs to be allowed to rise and take charge - Israel and the Palestinians must allow that to happen. Israel needs to be an honest partner in this. But so do the other players. Yes, they do not surrender because their raison d'être is not freedom for Gaza but the extermination of all Jews. If Hamas told the world they were surrendering at 12:00 GMT 20th Nov 2024, the whole western world would tell the IDF to stop the killing on that date and time. If the people of Gaza are to get any relief, Hamas must now set aside their religion driven desire for a pogrom and surrender. I've heard some naive BS in my time and this is right up there. On what do you base that turgid critical statement? 1. You think that Israel listens to the western world. It only listens to the US. 2. You think that the US is going to tell Israel to do something it's leadership isn't wanting to do. When most of its politicians are bought up by Aipac. 3. Benjamin Netanyahu’s actually wants an end. Why, with Hamas surrendering, would the USA under "Mr Peacemaker" Trump, let the IDF continue? It is unthinkable. There are just over 15 million Jews in the whole world. There are 3.1 Billion Muslims. Even Netanyahu does not want them to be given an excuse to all attack Israel because it set about a proper genocide of muslims. Apart from WW3 it would be the end of the Jewish people. 1. Those 3.1 Billion Muslims are not one homogeneous group who has one religious or political aim. All over the Muslim world they are involved in conflicts with each other. The largest and main one being Sunni v Shia. 2. Though most people like to portray the conflict has a religious conflict. It is really a land dispute conflict about colonisation and resistance. Unfortunately bad actors on both sides, have chosen to portray and have been successful in portraying it in this light. " Colonisation? So Israel are in the process of colonialism? And what land grab? Please don't say Gaza, because they have held that before and given it back. Once after tge 6 Day War when they gave it back after taking it from Egypt. They also withdrew in 2005, forcibly evicting Jews who tried to stay after Hamas won the elections. So if they wanted to grab this why hand it back when they were in control of it? Mrs x | |||
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" 1. Those 3.1 Billion Muslims are not one homogeneous group who has one religious or political aim. All over the Muslim world they are involved in conflicts with each other. The largest and main one being Sunni v Shia." Is your point that Muslims are a belligerent lot? That doesn't play well into your argument. " 2. Though most people like to portray the conflict has a religious conflict. It is really a land dispute conflict about colonisation and resistance. Unfortunately bad actors on both sides, have chosen to portray and have been successful in portraying it in this light. " If it's a land dispute, then how do you explain the actions of Iran, it's funding and support of groups across the Middle East with the primary purpose of eradicating the Jewish state? What is, for example, the Houthi obsession with Israel? Why is the first part of the Hamas charter that Israel will exist until Islam destroys it? For the Jews, it's (primarily) nationalistic, not religious. For the sponsors of groups dedicated to the eradication of Israel, it's (primarily) religious. Resistance groups are always about making life better for the oppressed. These groups are not at all about that. They are oppressive, fascist, totalitarian regimes (albeit sometimes on a small scale). | |||
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" 1. Those 3.1 Billion Muslims are not one homogeneous group who has one religious or political aim. All over the Muslim world they are involved in conflicts with each other. The largest and main one being Sunni v Shia. Is your point that Muslims are a belligerent lot? That doesn't play well into your argument. 2. Though most people like to portray the conflict has a religious conflict. It is really a land dispute conflict about colonisation and resistance. Unfortunately bad actors on both sides, have chosen to portray and have been successful in portraying it in this light. If it's a land dispute, then how do you explain the actions of Iran, it's funding and support of groups across the Middle East with the primary purpose of eradicating the Jewish state? What is, for example, the Houthi obsession with Israel? Why is the first part of the Hamas charter that Israel will exist until Islam destroys it? For the Jews, it's (primarily) nationalistic, not religious. For the sponsors of groups dedicated to the eradication of Israel, it's (primarily) religious. Resistance groups are always about making life better for the oppressed. These groups are not at all about that. They are oppressive, fascist, totalitarian regimes (albeit sometimes on a small scale)." 
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out" Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. " “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. " You don’t need thousands of years old historic tests to understand what’s going on right now in Gaza when you have much more recent letters written by Israeli soldiers “I am not satisfied with the amount I have already killed; we killed hundreds but for me it is not enough. At every opportunity I take revenge on them, and opportunities are not lacking, especially these days when I am among thousands of Arabs. They are under curfew, and this is a great opportunity to do anything we want to them. And I’m doing just that, and I won’t stop until I am on my way home, I swear.” | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. " The entire region is toxic with their hocus pocus beliefs. They're as bad as each other tbh. The tragedy is that their poison has spread to the rest of the world, us included. Our forebears were happy to worship the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature. Then a single Roman Emperor decreed that we had to switch to this Middle East BS. | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. The entire region is toxic with their hocus pocus beliefs. They're as bad as each other tbh. The tragedy is that their poison has spread to the rest of the world, us included. Our forebears were happy to worship the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature. Then a single Roman Emperor decreed that we had to switch to this Middle East BS. " Such tolerance. | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. You don’t need thousands of years old historic tests to understand what’s going on right now in Gaza when you have much more recent letters written by Israeli soldiers “I am not satisfied with the amount I have already killed; we killed hundreds but for me it is not enough. At every opportunity I take revenge on them, and opportunities are not lacking, especially these days when I am among thousands of Arabs. They are under curfew, and this is a great opportunity to do anything we want to them. And I’m doing just that, and I won’t stop until I am on my way home, I swear.” " Source? | |||
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" Source?" It doesn't need a source, to be honest. It may or may not be true, but all armies have a spectrum of people, from pacifist to psychopathic. Identifying one (real or imagined) voice from within an army doesn't prove anything, other than that there are sick people out there. If such sentiments are widely and publicly held, going beyond the necessary tribalism that even professional soldiers (let alone conscripts) need in order to shoot at and kill enemy combatants, and they are promoted and tolerated by the command, then that means something. Whereas it's definitely true of Hamas, it's not true if the IDF. Or there would be many, many, many more deaths. | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. The entire region is toxic with their hocus pocus beliefs. They're as bad as each other tbh. The tragedy is that their poison has spread to the rest of the world, us included. Our forebears were happy to worship the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature. Then a single Roman Emperor decreed that we had to switch to this Middle East BS. " To be fair Judaism was never interested in converts. It was Christianity which grew by conversion then Islsm which grew by military conquest. | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. " I watched videos showing people ripping down flags and singing songs apparently about palestinians (I don't look for translations) groups of Men hunting down football fans, How else do you want me to for a opinion ? From the mainstream news ? | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. The entire region is toxic with their hocus pocus beliefs. They're as bad as each other tbh. The tragedy is that their poison has spread to the rest of the world, us included. Our forebears were happy to worship the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature. Then a single Roman Emperor decreed that we had to switch to this Middle East BS. " If you mean Emperor Constantine then you are mistaken. Mrs x | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. I watched videos showing people ripping down flags and singing songs apparently about palestinians (I don't look for translations) groups of Men hunting down football fans, How else do you want me to for a opinion ? From the mainstream news ? " I sometimes wish the rest of the world was as naive as this. It's on the same level as 'a bloke in the pub told me'. | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. I watched videos showing people ripping down flags and singing songs apparently about palestinians (I don't look for translations) groups of Men hunting down football fans, How else do you want me to for a opinion ? From the mainstream news ? I sometimes wish the rest of the world was as naive as this. It's on the same level as 'a bloke in the pub told me'." Go on then do tell where do you get any news from, Also from what I said tell me how it makes me sound naïve and on the same level as "bloke in the pub told me" | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. I watched videos showing people ripping down flags and singing songs apparently about palestinians (I don't look for translations) groups of Men hunting down football fans, How else do you want me to for a opinion ? From the mainstream news ? I sometimes wish the rest of the world was as naive as this. It's on the same level as 'a bloke in the pub told me'." lets face it weve recently found out in the last few years that the news papers google youtube and every other specialist on this planet is capable of reporting what ever shite they want or are told to, so seeing the odd video or meme is about as truthfull as the rest | |||
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"Large anti semitic riots in Amsterdam tonight. Hamas fan club burning and looting. "...was that after the football game..? | |||
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"Large anti semitic riots in Amsterdam tonight. Hamas fan club burning and looting. ...was that after the football game..?"nope the set tram on fire last nite and fighting with old bill | |||
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"Large anti semitic riots in Amsterdam tonight. Hamas fan club burning and looting. ...was that after the football game..?nope the set tram on fire last nite and fighting with old bill"...ah...I saw a little bit of coverage about football fans rioting...I thought that's what you meant...which football team was playing I wonder...? | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. I watched videos showing people ripping down flags and singing songs apparently about palestinians (I don't look for translations) groups of Men hunting down football fans, How else do you want me to for a opinion ? From the mainstream news ? " Everything you just mentioned was widely reported on MSM. The advantage of regulated MSM journalism is the accountability … they tend to give context and balance, and get fined if they don’t. | |||
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"It's hard to see Hamas surrendering, and even if they did they'll just pop-up in another guise (remember the PLO?). Remember these people believe they've been kicked-out of their ancestral lands. We can debate all day whether that's historically correct or not, but the fact is, they believe it. So what would you do if kicked off your land, imprisoned in a compound, your family members killed, city laide waste? No, they won't surrender." Who exactly are you talking about here? Mrs x | |||
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"It's hard to see Hamas surrendering, and even if they did they'll just pop-up in another guise (remember the PLO?). Remember these people believe they've been kicked-out of their ancestral lands. We can debate all day whether that's historically correct or not, but the fact is, they believe it. So what would you do if kicked off your land, imprisoned in a compound, your family members killed, city laide waste? No, they won't surrender." Very compelling argument. So the only other two options are 1. Win the war or 2. Suffer total annihilation. Since 1. is no longer a viable option, I assume 2 is the only possible outcome. I hope the IDF get it over with fast the people of Gaza have suffered enough for their millionaire leaders sitting in Quatar. | |||
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"Large anti semitic riots in Amsterdam tonight. Hamas fan club burning and looting. ...was that after the football game..?nope the set tram on fire last nite and fighting with old bill...ah...I saw a little bit of coverage about football fans rioting...I thought that's what you meant...which football team was playing I wonder...?"none it was the usual suspects having a tantrum | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Ah, yes. A truly objective basis for forming an opinion. I watched videos showing people ripping down flags and singing songs apparently about palestinians (I don't look for translations) groups of Men hunting down football fans, How else do you want me to for a opinion ? From the mainstream news ? Everything you just mentioned was widely reported on MSM. The advantage of regulated MSM journalism is the accountability … they tend to give context and balance, and get fined if they don’t. " The disadvantage of msm is they normally only give you one side of the story or the side they want you to believe, I was just pointing out that I didn't think it had anything to do with Ajax fans, You can get to the truth if you filter out the bullshit and I don't believe everything I see/read on social media or msn | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. The entire region is toxic with their hocus pocus beliefs. They're as bad as each other tbh. The tragedy is that their poison has spread to the rest of the world, us included. Our forebears were happy to worship the Sun, Moon and Mother Nature. Then a single Roman Emperor decreed that we had to switch to this Middle East BS. To be fair Judaism was never interested in converts..." Except via spouse | |||
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"I preface my question by saying I think the loss of life in Gaza is abhorrent and stop immediately. However, at the end of wars, when the losing side has suffered enough and recognises they can never win, the losers surrender because there is no point in going on. Germany did it twice, Japan, Iraq, etc etc. Hamas has lost the war in Gaza. There is no way they will defeat the IDF with its tanks, planes, bombs, etc etc. All that is currently happening is their homeland and their people are being systematically destroyed by the IDF. At this time one would think a realistic Hamas leader, with an ounce of humanity, would surrender to stop the slaughter, why won't Hamas do that? Why, as the apparently preferred alternative, do we expect the IDF to stop? The Allies did not in the WW eras and we dont criticise them for it." Anyone who thinks the middle east conflict between Israel and ‘others’ (not just Hamas) is typical of a war, a battle, a land-grab, or any other materialistic goal is completely misinformed. The term war is no longer a relevant term for describing what is actually happening, or is going to continue to happen generation after generation in region. The world and in particular the west, is unable to grasp, never mind articulate, the concepts of racial annihilation based on religious beliefs and deeply routed cultural differences. The only measures available to either the people suffering, as a direct result on the ground, or all the so called enlightened observers is to evacuate those who wish to be removed (not an excuse for free-ticket immigration btw) and work unbelievably hard to minimise the supply-chains of ever more effective weapons available to all sides. Clearly Israel is in the ascendancy with it’s military power and sophistication but we should never forget Iranian capabilities and their relationships with other global powers which should not be dismissed. | |||
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"It's hard to see Hamas surrendering, and even if they did they'll just pop-up in another guise (remember the PLO?). Remember these people believe they've been kicked-out of their ancestral lands. We can debate all day whether that's historically correct or not, but the fact is, they believe it. So what would you do if kicked off your land, imprisoned in a compound, your family members killed, city laide waste? No, they won't surrender.Who exactly are you talking about here? Mrs x" Seriously? = Palestinians. | |||
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"It's hard to see Hamas surrendering, and even if they did they'll just pop-up in another guise (remember the PLO?). Remember these people believe they've been kicked-out of their ancestral lands. We can debate all day whether that's historically correct or not, but the fact is, they believe it. So what would you do if kicked off your land, imprisoned in a compound, your family members killed, city laide waste? No, they won't surrender.Who exactly are you talking about here? Mrs x Seriously? = Palestinians." Sounds like it can apply equally to the Jews, in fact that's what's happen throughout history to them. Mrs x | |||
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"And yes Hamas should surrender. They are not out for the best interest of the Palestinians, they are just using them and in particular the woman and children for their propaganda aims. They are truly an evil ideology, with an horrendous agenda. Hopefully if they don't surrender they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Mrs x" For the reported 15,000 Hamas fighters killed (about 25%) so far, 2 million people have been made homeless, 60% homes destroyed, 80% businesses destroyed. If the remaining 45,000 Hamas are wiped off the face of the earth, based on the reported 43,000 civilian casualties so far, could be 200,000 more civilians to die. Am wondering what the end game / exit strategy is Hamas recruitment is likely swelling from the relatives of those killed. An article in todays guardian about Israel’s possible annexation of northern Gaza | |||
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"And yes Hamas should surrender. They are not out for the best interest of the Palestinians, they are just using them and in particular the woman and children for their propaganda aims. They are truly an evil ideology, with an horrendous agenda. Hopefully if they don't surrender they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Mrs x For the reported 15,000 Hamas fighters killed (about 25%) so far, 2 million people have been made homeless, 60% homes destroyed, 80% businesses destroyed. If the remaining 45,000 Hamas are wiped off the face of the earth, based on the reported 43,000 civilian casualties so far, could be 200,000 more civilians to die. Am wondering what the end game / exit strategy is Hamas recruitment is likely swelling from the relatives of those killed. An article in todays guardian about Israel’s possible annexation of northern Gaza " I understand what you are saying in that it's a terrible price to pay to remove this Islamist terrorist threat. But that's what Hamas wants. It cannot justify its aims conventionally, if that's the right word to use about terror tactics but it's relying on creating a narrative of Israel being a women and children murdering regime. To achieve this they have to hide behind these innocents. They do this via threats or promises of martyrdom and the rewards they will recieve in Paradise. In reality this is just to further their propagandist agenda. They are putting the citizens they are supposed to protect in harms way, deliberately just to paint Israel and Judaism in a negative light. It's just so sickening that Hamas thinks so little of human lives both Israeli and Palestinian that they are prepared to follow this abhorrent path. As for creating more fighters for Hamas, surely the same is true about the violence and terror inflicted on Israelis and Jews worldwide. This doesn't seem to garner the same support in people's minds but it does surprise me. After all the are attacked from all sides now but also historically. Mrs x | |||
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"I have a simple question for anyone who attacks Israel/netanyahu/IDF and supports the poor Palestinians under the rule of hamas. Who would you rather rules the UK? Netanyahu Or hamas ? Which of the 2 despises the western civilization and wishes it could rain down intifada on all infidels??? Anyway, I come to Fab for fun, not for political discussion " id prefer if neither of them ran the uk both lots are blood thirsty fucking nutjobs | |||
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" The disadvantage of msm is they normally only give you one side of the story or the side they want you to believe... Disadvantage compared to what? That disadvantage is doubly true for most "independent" sources." The suggestion is that msm only give one side of the story … as opposed to some unaccountable bloke on social media who will obviously be able to give a fully-informed, balanced account of any given situation. | |||
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"I have a simple question for anyone who attacks Israel/netanyahu/IDF and supports the poor Palestinians under the rule of hamas. Who would you rather rules the UK? Netanyahu Or hamas ? Which of the 2 despises the western civilization and wishes it could rain down intifada on all infidels??? Anyway, I come to Fab for fun, not for political discussion " You didn’t come onto fab for political discussion … but you are posting in the Politics forum? I’m confused … | |||
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"It's hard to see Hamas surrendering, and even if they did they'll just pop-up in another guise (remember the PLO?). Remember these people believe they've been kicked-out of their ancestral lands. We can debate all day whether that's historically correct or not, but the fact is, they believe it. So what would you do if kicked off your land, imprisoned in a compound, your family members killed, city laide waste? No, they won't surrender.Who exactly are you talking about here? Mrs x Seriously? = Palestinians.Sounds like it can apply equally to the Jews, in fact that's what's happen throughout history to them. Mrs x" Yup the land is contested. Both sides believe in the merits of their claim on it. That's why Palestinians are never, ever, going to say "Oh to hell with it, just take our land, we'll live in an open prison". So it will continue. | |||
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"So Hamas, which was supported by Israel all those years ago...funded by Qatar, with the help of the israelis are now the ones who should surrender?? What message does that send to the world?? That might is right? That it's OK to ethnically cleanse a whole population from their homeland?? That it's OK to commit genocide as long as its not against white European colonialists and only against the brown 'muslims'...?? This did not start on october 7th...it started almost 100 years before by the brutalisation of the Palestinians and the ethnic cleansing of over 700000 palestinians from their homes. Netanyahu and his government are fascists and no different from Adolf Hitler... And before people start getting angry about Hamas going on about from the river to the sea, just remember this was part of the Zionist Likud party charter decades before Hamas were ever around. I don't see any christians going on about the zionists destroying the oldest church in Christianity in Gaza or targeting Christians?? Remember not all arabs are muslims and not all muslims are arabs!" And not all Christians are Zionist or support Israel ! | |||
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"Wipe who off...you genocidal maniac!" What about the 2 million Palestinians living peacefully in Israel, how do you account for them and your claims of genocide? That doesn't seem to match up does it... Mrs x | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children! Let's not forget who "Hamas" actually are. They are Palestinian citizens. They are the grandfathers, fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers and sons of those they are causing death and misery to. If they won't surrender to cease the suffering of their own women and children, they're not likely to for any other reason. They are scum." Ok lets put it into perspective...an atheist zionist who didn't believe in God, said that God had promised his people the land...sadly someone else was already living on the land...so they beat up the people living their, stole their homes and humiliated and sexyally abused the population... And you want these degraded, humiliated, abused people to turn around to their abusers and say 'here you go' go ahead take my land... What the f**k did you expect!!! | |||
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" 1. Those 3.1 Billion Muslims are not one homogeneous group who has one religious or political aim. All over the Muslim world they are involved in conflicts with each other. The largest and main one being Sunni v Shia. Is your point that Muslims are a belligerent lot? That doesn't play well into your argument. 2. Though most people like to portray the conflict has a religious conflict. It is really a land dispute conflict about colonisation and resistance. Unfortunately bad actors on both sides, have chosen to portray and have been successful in portraying it in this light. If it's a land dispute, then how do you explain the actions of Iran, it's funding and support of groups across the Middle East with the primary purpose of eradicating the Jewish state? What is, for example, the Houthi obsession with Israel? Why is the first part of the Hamas charter that Israel will exist until Islam destroys it? For the Jews, it's (primarily) nationalistic, not religious. For the sponsors of groups dedicated to the eradication of Israel, it's (primarily) religious. Resistance groups are always about making life better for the oppressed. These groups are not at all about that. They are oppressive, fascist, totalitarian regimes (albeit sometimes on a small scale).
On this forum and others, I have read Hamas being described as freedom fighters. As George Carlin pointed out,
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. “Jihad is the path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes”. (Hamas 1988) And not just Jews, on October 7, 2023, they also killed 46 Americans and citizens of more than 30 countries. Any doubters of Islam should read the Quran, you cant turn a page without a statement from the prophet bringing death on the idolators, disbelievers and infidels. " Oh dear not another blind hater of Muslims... I bet you have never picked up a copy of the quran let alone read any of it with the correct context... | |||
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" 1. Those 3.1 Billion Muslims are not one homogeneous group who has one religious or political aim. All over the Muslim world they are involved in conflicts with each other. The largest and main one being Sunni v Shia. Is your point that Muslims are a belligerent lot? That doesn't play well into your argument. 2. Though most people like to portray the conflict has a religious conflict. It is really a land dispute conflict about colonisation and resistance. Unfortunately bad actors on both sides, have chosen to portray and have been successful in portraying it in this light. If it's a land dispute, then how do you explain the actions of Iran, it's funding and support of groups across the Middle East with the primary purpose of eradicating the Jewish state? What is, for example, the Houthi obsession with Israel? Why is the first part of the Hamas charter that Israel will exist until Islam destroys it? For the Jews, it's (primarily) nationalistic, not religious. For the sponsors of groups dedicated to the eradication of Israel, it's (primarily) religious. Resistance groups are always about making life better for the oppressed. These groups are not at all about that. They are oppressive, fascist, totalitarian regimes (albeit sometimes on a small scale).
On this forum and others, I have read Hamas being described as freedom fighters. As George Carlin pointed out,
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I'll tell you what freedom fighters fight for...they fight for the freedom of their people from oppression.. "But they are not oppressed are they. 2 million choose to live peacefully within Israel. Those in Gaza voted for Hamas knowing they are terrorists so they must take some responsibility for the terrorism their leaders inflicts on Israelis. They could help themselves and have a couple to rid themselves of this oppressive regime. Mrs x | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. " That's a blatant lie...they are not against Jews only zionists. They do not call for the extermination of Jews worldwide... Stop spreading lies and hate... Evil zionist lies.. | |||
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"Wipe them of the face of the earth because they will never surrender so you have no compassion for the innocent Palestinians the women and children! Let's not forget who "Hamas" actually are. They are Palestinian citizens. They are the grandfathers, fathers, uncles, husbands, brothers and sons of those they are causing death and misery to. If they won't surrender to cease the suffering of their own women and children, they're not likely to for any other reason. They are scum. Ok lets put it into perspective...an atheist zionist who didn't believe in God, said that God had promised his people the land...sadly someone else was already living on the land...so they beat up the people living their, stole their homes and humiliated and sexyally abused the population... And you want these degraded, humiliated, abused people to turn around to their abusers and say 'here you go' go ahead take my land... What the f**k did you expect!!!" So the same should apply to those Jews who were forcibly evicted from every Middle Eastern country in response to the nation of Israel being founded by the UN. And Palestinians have never owned the land, it's always been an enclave of one various empire or another since it was last a kingdom. Oh yeah and that was the kingdom of Israel. But Jews cannot feel aggrieved by that, forced to wander the earth, persecuted where ever they went but no they cannot feel hard done to, they are Jews after all. Mrs x | |||
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"On Friday the German government announced anyone who criticise the Israeli government is antisemitic then the attacks by the Israeli football team maccabi fans on a Arab taxi driver and the climbing of buildings to pull down Palestinian flags. Yet the European media trying calling it a antisemitic attack when ajax fans retaliated What I seen it had nothing to do with Ajax fans, It was some Maccabi fans causing shit then was picked off my roaming gangs of Muslims and Pro palestinian groups, Like most football hooligans they cause shit and leave it to innocent fans to get attacked, But more then likely the same innocent fans would of been attacked just not on the scale that it happened Were you there? No, My opinion is formed from what I seen on social media Many media outlets are now reporting that the attacks on Jewish people, including football fans, were pre-planned after messages were found on Telegram from a few days previous to the attacks." Again blatant lies and blame spreading without proof... I could make up similar shite and say I heard some people on twitter or telegram or whatsapp or whatever saying thar mossad instigated it all to get sympathy for Israel... Stop spreading lies you evil person | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. That's a blatant lie...they are not against Jews only zionists. They do not call for the extermination of Jews worldwide... Stop spreading lies and hate... Evil zionist lies.." Hmmm it's a fine distinction you are making. We've all heard the chants by Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran to destroy Israel. What is Israel if not the Jews? | |||
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"You can't defeat an ideology. I'm not sure what Hamas real intentions were on 07/11/23 but the fact is, worldwide sympathy for the Palestinian cause has never been stronger. Bullshit. Only the tree hugging lefties support both Palestinians and Hamas, The sooner Israel eradicates Hamas the better. The World will be a far better place without Hamas. All UK pro Palestine marches should be banned. " Yet another fascist muslim hating ignorant idiot... | |||
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"Hamas won't surrender they have an ideology that they will stick to,most anyone can hope for is a ceasefire but surrender ain't happening,there aim is to wipe Israel out just like benny nutty yahoo's aim is to wipe the Palestinians out Their constitution calls for the extermination of Jews throughout the world. Not just Israel. That's a blatant lie...they are not against Jews only zionists. They do not call for the extermination of Jews worldwide... Stop spreading lies and hate... Evil zionist lies.." That's a lie now isn't it. Zionism was originally a nationalist movement calling for a return to their ancestral homeland. It has been politicised and calls for violence at one extreme end of the spectrum. But as you rightly say not all Muslims are terrorists and in the same way not all zionists are extremists. Hamas is a terror group and has at its core the belief that all Jews should be exterminated and it calls for that. Israel is a democratic nation, where 2 million Palestinians make up its citizenship and live in peace within Israel. You cannot answer why they would do this. Or is it because you don't want to accept that these peacefully Arabs choose democracy and the benefits it ensures over the tyranny of a theocratic terrorist state and the inherent dangers, not only to its sworn enemies, but to its own citizens. The answer is simple, abandon terror and embrace democracy for a safer life. Mrs x | |||
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